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Dangers of self reference

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By doctorjay


100 Hubpages in 30 days challenge

Last night I was minding my own business when I read my email and noticed one with the headline:

The 30-Day Hub Challenge Starts Monday -- are you up for it?


I'm one of those foolish people who'll always rushes in where angels....

So I opened the email and read among other things:

.... starting on Monday, May 11th (which might be today for some of you). The 30-Day HubPages Challenge is basically something that challenges Hubbers to either create 100 or 30 Hubs in the next 30 days as a way for them to see the true potential of making money on HubPages. Well, that's at least the way that it started, but now it's become a way for Hubbers to motivate and push themselves out of their HubPages comfort zone and have a ton of fun while doing it.

This was 10:30 p.m. my time and I decided to join in the challenge. As I was going to sleep before midnight I was thinking about the first HubPage to write and it became obvious that I should write about the challenge itself:

What is self reference?

So I was thinking about how to start the first of these one hundred HubPages and it became obvious to me that I would start writing about the challenge itself. Now this is an example of self reference. It means exactly what it says.

Most of the time language, thought, sensations, consciousness is about other things so there is object referral. However, at times these things are about themselves.

Another example of self reference is: "This sentence has five words."

So far so good.

What may be some of the problems of self reference?

If I rewrite the above sentence as: "This sentence has four words," the sentence is self referent, grammatically correct and we really have no problems yet.

Now what happens if I ha\nd you a card. On one side is written, "Whatever, is written on the other side is a lie." And on the other side is written, ""Whatever, is written on the other side is the truth."

Now we get an example of the liar's paradox. This was first stated by Zeno (a Cretan) who wrote, "All Cretans are liars."

Here's is a version of this paradox told in a Sufi teaching story about Mullah Nasrudin.

Self Reference and ultimate questions

I wrote above that sometimes self reference can get you into trouble (at times the trouble is from an endless loop). Many ultimate questions are dodged by self reference. For example who created the universe:

  • Theological self referential answer: God - so who created God --> no answer or God is self created.
  • Scientific answer I: The big bang - so what came before the big bang -> the universe is cyclical, it expands from the big bang and then collapses back into the next big bang - no beginning no end.
  • Scientific answer II: according to the inflationary theory of the big bang, so long as one universe exists, new universes can start at anytime thanks to quantum fluctuations in empty space (or as a physicist once observed - the universe is the ultimate free lunch).... Now where did that first universe come from?


Self Reference and free will

The problem with self-consciousness is that it is the ultimate self referral. You are conscious of the fact that you are conscious. This leads to many problems including the apparent paradox of free will. I experience free will even though I know that free will is impossible....

To explain what this means you'll have to read the one hundreth HubPage in this series (June 10th 2009 - perhaps).

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madhouse101 profile image

madhouse101  says:
6 months ago

Nice post... However you should proofread and spell check your hub before posting...some sentences make absolutely no sense but overall the hub looks great. I almost clicked one of the Adsense ads...hehe you almost had me! Keep up the challenge!

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Ryan Hupfer  says:
6 months ago

Great first Hub -- only 99 more to go!

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KCC Big Country  says:
6 months ago

You mentioned in the forum that you had trouble getting the banner pic to post here. You have to save the banner as a picture (right click, save as a picture) and then add a photo cell to this hub and browse your computer for where you saved the banner pic and load it that way. Once you do all of that you can delete this comment. Hope that helps. If not, email me via my HubPages profile.

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doctorjay  says:
6 months ago

Thanks everyone. I had saved the pic to my computer and had no problem posting it on my Wordpress blog. As far as the spelling thanks. At the time I was not aware that HubPages editor dosn't allow the Firefox spell check to work and you have to actively run the spell check. Again I'm having some learning issues with HubPages as I typically use Wordpress.

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