Do You Speak American? Thoughts on Language, Culture & Class
73The Wild Wordsmith of Wasilla Meets Hurricane Camille
Several weekends ago humorist and former talk show host Dick Cavett blogged about Sarah Palin's mangling of the English language in his regular New York Times column Talk Show.
Cavett's article, entitled The Wild Wordsmith of Wasilla, didn't have to slander or attack Palin to illustrate that her speech is nearly incomprehensible (at least to him), he only had to quote her.
Here is a brief excerpt from Cavett's blog:
What on earth are our underpaid teachers, laboring in the vineyards of education, supposed to tell students about the following sentence, committed by the serial syntax-killer from Wasilla High and gleaned by my colleague Maureen Dowd for preservation for those who ask, “How was it she talked?”
"My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was Alaska’s investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars."
And, she concluded, “never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a country or a continent, I just don’t know about this issue.”
Just as George Bush has become the political master of malaprop, Sarah Palin seems to have an equivalent gift for word salad. No matter what your political inclinations, if you can't laugh at the quote, "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your families," (Bush), then you seriously need a vacation. And if you can't see that the above quote from Palin makes almost no rational sense in its own right, then, well, I don't know--then I guess you're a Palin fan.
Palin fans soon found they were not alone when post-Feminist academician Camille Paglia took Cavett to task at Salon.com for attacking Palin's 'patois.' (I wonder if Palin even knows she has a 'patois' or where it might be located on her body.) Paglia defended Palin's speech as "...quick, sometimes jagged, but always exuberant...closer to street rapping than to the smug bourgeouis cadences of the affluent professional class."
Paglia goes on to excoriate Cavett thusly:
I was so outraged when I read Cavett's column that I felt like taking to the air like a Valkyrie and dropping on him at his ocean retreat in Montauk in the chichi Hamptons. How can it be that so many highly educated Americans have so little historical and cultural consciousness that they identify their own native patois as an eternal mark of intelligence, talent and political aptitude?
In sonorous real life, Cavett's slow, measured, self-interrupting and clause-ridden syntax is 50 years out of date. Guess what: There has been a revolution in English -- registered in the 1950s in the street slang, colloquial locutions and assertive rhythms of both Beat poetry and rock 'n' roll and now spread far and wide on the Web in the standard jazziness of blogspeak. Does Cavett really mean to offer himself as a linguistic gatekeeper for political achievers in this country?
I personally have always thought of Paglia as something of a Valkyrie, so it made me feel a little less bitchy to know she sees herself that way too. I really can't stand her at all. She's even more offensive to me than Ayn Rand. (I'm sure my disapproval would crush both of them...Not!) It's true that Cavett, a Yale graduate who used to hang around with William F. Buckley, can be a snob, but he's so funny about it that it's pretty hard to not to love him.
Paglia on the other hand is such a shrill, opportunistic, unapologetic whore of the academy that it's really hard to like her even a little bit, even when she has half a point. If cloistered Paglia thinks for one second that she somehow speaks for the common man/woman/postgendered creature (and sometimes I get the sense she really does think this, but other times it seems Paglia really doesn't care for whom she speaketh so long as her speech gets published, and published a lot)--if she thinks for a NY minute that she speaks for us little people, she can count this particular little person out.
She doesn't speak for me.
But then, neither does Cavett, as much as I love him. Not really.
This whole catfight got me to thinking, what is really going on here? What is it we are witnessing in print? Here we have two very elite literary Peanut Gallerians sniping over the common folk and their [sic:our] diction or lack thereof; both of them staking claim to authority over what constitutes proper American speech and over who gets to say so.
Wow. What a bizarre but interesting debate!
Bizarre because both parties claim to be both outside and inside the groups they are criquing (the working class, academia). Interesting because I believe class and culture really do impact American language and how it is wielded in remarkable and sometimes hilarious ways.
You can argue about proper English all you want--In fact, if you are William Safire you can make a living out of doing exactly that--but that kind of argument can be solved quickly by opening a dictionary or a grammar book. On the other hand, the debate about who speaks proper American--Now there's an interesting fight!
I'd definitely buy a ticket to that fight.
Do we even know who the winner is? If there are indeed many American ways of speaking, then precisely how many American dialects are there? Can we count them? Which are the major competitors? Which competitors are currently winning? Is it even rightly called a fight? If so, is it a fair fight?
Or, by contrast, is the American language currently just devolving into a collection of English-derivations so specific to the micro-environments Americans navigate that they are becoming separate languages in their own right? Is American even a single language anymore? Was it ever?
These are the kinds of questions I'd like to address in this hub.
Bilingual in One Language
I've written before about growing up in the rougher, working class part of the Rustbelt. At least,I mention it a lot here at Hub Pages, because I do remember class being a huge issue when I was a kid, and it seems to still be a huge issue now that I am an adult. What I don't write about very much is how it affected how I spoke and even how I thought, but it certainly applies here.
A little backstory:
My Dad didn't see any point in sending a girl to college, but for boys he saw college as a shot at white collar work. White collar work was seen as a social class above the one he himself occupied, and strangely, the nature of the work didn't even seem to matter so long as it involved wearing a suit and working indoors.
He wanted that for my brother, and that was not an unusual aspiration.
I can't tell you how many guys I grew up with went to college purely because "I want to do something where I wear a suit. I don't care what it is, so long as it's not factory or construction work and its indoors."
Guys pick up real early that the word 'redneck' is not a compliment.
Anyway, since my Dad was so dismissive of sending girls to college (he figured girls were best moved up the class ladder by means of a good marriage), I decided that of course I would go to college, against his wishes, whatever it took, and hopefully drive him and my brother mad in the process.
I soon discovered, however, that while attending college I needed to be fluent in two languages: 1) The language spoken back in the neighborhood at family gatherings and with old friends, and 2) the language spoken at the university if I expected to get a passing grade.
Mixing up the two languages resulted in an immediate slap-down.
If I spoke the way we did back home at college, I was mocked, corrected, or at best, made the object of snickers and giggles. If I spoke at home the way I was required to speak at the university, I was quickly "taken down a peg" with the same tactics--mockery, correction (as in, "Well, that sounds like one of those fancy ideas you picked up at college"),or by being made the object or derision, giggling, or eye-rolling.
The vernacular of the neighborhood and the dinner table included lots of double negatives, swear words, short direct sentences, and a very personal tone. (Palin's rambling would never have cut it in my old neighborhhood--She'd have never been able to finish even one of those endless non-sentences before some guy shut her up.)
In sharp contrast, the language of the university consisted of complete spoken sentences (verb, noun, proper sentence structure), no swearing, large words appropriately and judiciously used ('judiciously' would be one of those words), and indirect language that invited cross talk or further exposition. The language of the university, even if it was meant to eviscerate the listener (or target), was excruciatingly impersonal.
In many ways, the two languages were oppositional--Not just in the sense that the way they were structured was opposite each other--but also in the sense that the structure of each language itself was meant to convey opposition to the alternative. No small amount of derision for the other class is built into both of these ways of talking. The academy puts down the working class in the very structure of its speech and the topics it selects. Working class talk sneers at or even moons the intellectual class.
Examples Please
I guess that for brevity's sake I should make up some names for these two languages. Let's call the two languages Prolese (for working class lingo) and Snottish (for intellectual discourse).
Jumping ahead a bit (and I think you'll see this by and by) I don't think Palin's way of talking really fits into either of these models, which is probably what troubles me about it most of all, and why I think Cavett and Paglia are both off the mark in their critiques. Palin is no Eliza Doolittle, and John McCain was a piss poor Henry Higgins. Not that the metaphor is totally misplaced.
But we'll get to that later.
First a few examples of what I'm talking about with college and my old 'hood:
Prolese: F#%k you, bitch. Kiss my ass. You must be trippin'.
Snottish: Although the workplace is indeed becoming more flexible and non-hierarchical as we enter the postmodern era, it is still vital that conflicts be approached with an eye to procedure so that human resources can be maximized in any given application.
Neutral translation: That's not my job and you are not my boss. Go away.
Here's another, more political example:
Prolese: I am not payin' my hard earned money so some n*gger bitch can sit home and squeeze off more kids by all different guys. F@%k that.
Snottish: The socio-economic issues confronting the distribution of funds to certain social subgroups can and do pose a serious dilemma for a free market society. The Faustian bargain struck when funds are too freely distributed can lead to moral hazard, and yet, we cannot dismiss the challenges presented.
Neutral translation: Both of us fear black people and want to keep all our money, such as it is, for ourselves.
Palin's speech is personal but it is not direct like Prolese--in fact it is even more indirect than Snottish--so indirect it often doesn't say anything at all. And yet, unlike Snottish, Palin isn't grammatically correct when she talks and she leaves out any large words, so Snottish it ain't. You might think that Palin therefore speaks some new combination of Prolese and Snottish--Prolish, maybe. But no. It isn't that straightforward.
I think that a new American dialect has been emerging over the course of the past ten years which may well make both Prolese and Snottish dead languages, and I fear that Palin actually speaks a kind of hybrid of Prolese and this new category.
That's a bad thing. A very bad thing. Let me explain.
Corporatespeak and the Orwellian Workplace
As many of you who are kind enough to read my hubs also know, I spent the last seven years working in the call centers of huge corporations. The last one, the one that finally pushed me over the edge, was a major regional bank.
The day Bear Stearns went belly up, that bank's stock fell to under $2 a share. Immediately, and every day for the next several months (sometimes every several hours) we received emailed "talking points" from corporate HQ that read something like this:
Despite the recent volatility in the DOW, First Irrational Bank is well-capitalized and well-positioned to meet the challenges of today's financial markets. At First Irrational Bank we continue to place the needs of our customers and stockholders above all else, responding to new challenges swiftly and with our usual standard of excellence.
For those of you who have never worked for a large corporation and who have never spent the bulk of your time chained to a headset inside a tiny grey cublice, let me translate that memo for you.
Here's what the memo means in regular English:
Oh my God we are so totally F#&ked! Run for your lives! Every man for himself! Oh yeah... and dont' tell the customers!
When this memo started to be put out as a press release, I told my partner Bill, "Well, it won't be long now. A week or less I bet," and sure enough, shortly thereafter the bank was sold off by the Treasury Department in lieu of being seized by F.D.I.C. Once the sale is final in January, the name will be changed and most of the employees will be eliminated.
Corporatespeak always requires translation, and the translation tends to usually involve simply reversing the surface message to get at the real message. For instance, in the case of the bank memo, we knew we were in trouble when that came out because a corporation never comes out of the blue to say they are doing great unless they are in big trouble.
When corporations are truly doing well, the memos are more about how the employees better work harder because goals are not being met. That kind of memo--the "You suck, work harder" memo--means, "We're making lots of money. Make us more. Keep doing it and you have a job."
Getting back to Sarah Palin's rhetorical style, I see a lot of Corporatespeak there. Remember all that blather about how small towns are the backbone of America? Well, very few people live in small towns anymore. Most people live in large metropolitan centers.
The whole "small town schtick" with Palin was corporatespeak for "Let me into Washington. I get money. I talk trash, get cash." Really the exact opposite of the overt message, "I'm a small town girl with small town values," especially since Palin hired a big city public relations firm to put her front and center even before McCain 'chose' her as his running mate.
Palin speaks Corporate with a Prolese twang. A few well-placed "youbetchas" and a penchant for run-on sentences that say nothing while her designer clothes do their own talkin' fits seamlessly into any corporate boardroom. And the twang gets the Proles to the poles! Intellect is totally irrelevant here. Even class is irrelevant. This is all about the money and the cult of corporate personality. Palin, Trump, Fiorina--These players are almost interchangeable.
Oh So What, Pam?
So--I think it matters, this business of how we talk and who gets to critique how we talk and who's zoomin' who(m). It matters quite a lot actually, but we aren't paying attention, only people like Dick Cavett and Camille Paglia, both of whom have a stake in an old, defunct battle, are paying attention. They don't speak for me, and they don't speak for most of us, but we aren't thinking or speaking for ourselves. (Well, we at Hub Pages are trying to speak. Until our words get stolen and disappear into the ethernet like so much verbal fog...)
So--If we don't listen to the subtext as well as text and then factor in the point of view of the speaker, we fall under the spell of language. We literally become 'enchanted'--taken over by chant, by cadence--absorbing and believing meanings we ought better to resist. We become prey. We can be shot at out of helicopters as we run across the American tundra and never feel the bullet even as we give up our lives and our selves for the predator.
The written and spoken word in America are both in a state of radical flux right now, and I think it isn't so much exhilirating as it is scary. It's kind of like watching a monster movie, where scary, marginalized creatures morph into demon chimeras before our very eyes, casting 'spells' on us before we have a chance to respond appropriately. That's why education is so important now, and reading, and writing, and critical thinking are so vital to true freedom. That's why writing is so very important now, at the very moment when it is hardest for voices like ours, here, to be heard much less appear in print.
As Americans, we need to teach these skills again, but more than that, as Americans we need to value these skills. We need to claim and admire them and make them our own. You shouldn't have to live in Montauk or have a Ph.D. publication quota to speak your mind in the language you use best and to understand what others are really saying when they counter in their own American dialect.
Part of the Prolese script is the premise that intellect and talk has no value; only hard work and street smarts have value. The Snottish script values intellect and talk so highly above work and wits that it pretends the personal doesn't even exist, even when it is right in our faces. Corporatespeak, especially the Palin-esque variety, combines the anti-intellectualism of Prolese with the false authority of Snottish and uses it to enslave the listener through razzle dazzle and bamboozlement.
George Orwell, in his famous novel 1984 called Corporatespeak "Doublespeak."
Whatever you call it, It's crap. (That was the old neighborhood in me talking, just now.) In Palin's version of Pygmalion (the George Bernard Shaw play on which My Lady is based), it's the guttersnipe Palin who takes on her American tutor to see if she can make him bend to her mean-spirited will on a bet--an appropriate reversal if ever there was one.
My Fair Lady or Frankenstein?
You be the judge.
Meanwhile, I've got some memos to write.
No sh%t. Run for you're lives.
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PG: LOVED this hub! I truly understand what you're talking about when you refer to the two different languages -- home and school. For me, it happened when I moved to New York from Rhode Island. I developed two different languages -- the one I spoke at home and the one I spoke in my journalism job in NY. And as much as Dick Cavett can sometimes sound like a patrician, I wholeheartedly agree with his assessment of Palin-speak. To me, it was her way of obscuring the fact that her brain cells were playing a mean game of hide and seek. Great read!
Wow, Pam-I'm more impressed than usual. I was just talking about dialectic in a political forum... You've taken in everything around you and come up with a conclusion as to why we should all keep reading, writing and thinking here.
I'm laughing, of course, about Paglia and also Corporate speak. I soo know what yer sayin' (My small-town Nebraskan coming out!).
Hi Violetsun! I like direct language too--although in poetry and fiction indirect language is wonderful. Thanks for sticking this hub out!
Hi NY Lady & Lita!
Thanks for the kind remarks! I loved Cavett's column on Palin too--but the more I thought about it the more I thought of stuff I wanted to say that was a bit different. Paglia is so icky. Cavett is elite but he's so freakin' hilarious it cancels out the snobbery in my mind.
LOL -- amusing and to the point. I've hated corporatespeak for decades, and I've heard it for decades too. It started getting popular in the 80s and it creeped me out then in exactly the way you described.
Snottish always annoyed me too in the same ways. I distrust the impersonal. I've never understood what it's supposed to mean when someone stabs you in the back and says "It isn't personal, it's just business."
That line turns up in a million movies and people listen to it as a cliche, say it themselves when they're about to do someone wrong... and don't get it that does not justify anything. I've heard some good quips in reply though once in a while, because screenwriters do enjoy puncturing cliches.
I heard it a lot in offices and agencies and so on when I was trying to survive falling through all the cracks, because I did not fit the system and could not be neatly pigeonholed.
I tend to respond to that as a warning flag whenever I hear it. A good reason I never wanted to work for companies with more than 50 employees. Once you hear that language, you know no one's responsible and "it's nothing personal" is the polite blackwhite for "I'm going to shaft you and gloat because you can't do anything to stop me."
Great article Pam. I have to write snottish at work(or at least I pretend to) but I also have to speak Prolese with the employees(which I'm cool with that). I think with text messaging, hip hop music, and the influx of new culture in the mainstream, its not long before the snottish written word is thrown out the window and thought police will be upon us.
Ohmygoish-- where to start?? This is so full of great lines-- not to mention great language ROTFL-- I blush to admit that Prolese is not my native tongue but then neither is Snottish -- I am fluent in neither:-) but I used to speak fairly decent corpspeak-- I've gotten rusty in the past few years, thank God!
Palin-Shmalin-- the new media darling is the Illinois governor whose name rhymes with "sonofabitch" LOL Thumbs up up up!
Pam: Good point! I use indirect language in poetry; was referring to day to day conversations. Prolese and snottish are now part of my new vocabulary. LOL!
Mama mia! What a trip, pg! Those neutral translations of Prolese and Snottish are priceless --the whole article is, really!
Hi Robert Sloan--My years in the corporate workplace were educational but hellish. I simply can't go back there, it would just kill me, seriously. I've been trying to find a way to write and get reliably paid for it, but I guess really that doesn't happen for too many folks. It's like wanting to be an astronaut or a ballet dancer. Still, I keep trying. I agree about the backstabbing thing. The most awful part of corporate life is the sanitized violence, and it IS violence. It's abusive and brutal and it destroys people from the inside out. People who are already dead inside do great there.
Goldentoad--Yes so many of us must be bilingual to get through the day--or even multilingual! The more I wrote on this topic the more stuff I thought of--I left so many things out. Really, a person could fill up a book with this stuff.
robie--Thank you for your encouraging words. You are right Governor Bleeeoyevayovich is the guy of the hour now! Now there's some heavy duty Prolese! You know, the most interesting thing I read about him was in someone's comment here at HubPages--Somebody said, isn't it interesting that, although we all knew this guy was corrupt for quite awhile, he didn't get arrested until he threatened Bank of America over that factory takeover. It's true--it happenedly a day or two after he threatened to pull all the state's business and money out of B of A.
Violetsun & Elena--Thank you!
Another great piece of work,
It reminded me of the George Carlin skit on Post traumatic Stress Disorder, and the general tendency to remove anything remotely human from the language. Thank you again.
TMG
You certainly have a way with words! Your invented ones for this article were amusing as well as illustrative. Not only words, but accents and cadences can also make it difficult to understand one another from one part of the country to the next.
Hi MoneyGuy--I haven't seen that George Carlin skit. I'll have to look it up online. I love his stuff. Thanks for your thoughts.
Peggy W--Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
tHIs huB wuZ' da' Balm!
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Too wonderful for words! Totally agree re: Camille P. Valkyrie is a rather snottish term for crass cow. And I'm chuckling: Do you think it's possible to work Ayn Rand into every single hub one way or another??? LOL.
I must confess, I believe there IS a middle ground between Prolese and Snottish. It is called proper use of the English language. God (or at least Mr. Webster and Mr. Roget) gave us lovely polysyllabic words for a reason. Why should we be ashamed to use them? I do feel it is possible to speak and write in the active voice without deliberately obfuscating the truth/meaning of your message. Or maybe I am just an old school English major. And it's quite obvious that in your capable hands, Pam, proper American English is vividly alive and well.
Thanks MM--I agree with you completely about the possibility of a middle ground between Prolese and Snottish. When I was in school I finally decided that in order to write the way I wanted, and in order to write the kinds of things I wanted, I'd have to do it outside the university.
Families are weird though. My partner's family loves to talk about politics and so forth and in complete sentences too, which is so great, but very different from the way I grew up. Anything too intelligently phrased was very threatening where I come from. It was a weird way to grow up. On the one hand: Get good grades, do your best. On the other: Don't be talkin' like yer smart or somethin'. Ack! Which is it????? No wonder I'm so freakin' neurotic.
Still, it's a great country and a great language. I love the English language, and the American people, rough as we can be sometimes. Thanks for your comment!
I guess I represent the other side on this issue. It pains me to have to "dumb down" my language -- it's actually really hard to physically restrain myself from using the word my brain thinks of for fear the audience might not understand it. But I suppose it's a good exercise for any writer.
I've read so many arguments on HubPages about the Constitution and protecting our rights thereunder (is that a word?). Our founding fathers were quite eloquent gentlemen. If you watched the miniseries John Adams (Faboulous!) you know that the whole lot of them spoke "true" English. So what happened? Over the centuries Americans became less and less educated and ended up taking pride in being less and less educated. I personally find it appalling that people could (and did) disparage Obama or John Kerry or the Clintons for being "too educated" or "too smart." WTF? How the hell do we think other countries like China, Japan, and even Middle Eastern countries are surpassing us? Hint: It's a four letter word that starts with "E."
Not too keen on a vice presidential candidate on the cover of Vogue magazine, either. What's next, Sarah? Playboy???
MM--America has always had an anti-intellectual streak. Even in the days of the founding fathers, not everyone had access to education. Some people were indentured--their labor was tied to a wealthy person as a kind of debt. Initially only free white men who owned property were really included in American government--that left out lots of people--and while those men did form a government in which they saw themselves as having a responsibility to do what was best for everyone, not just the priveleged few--still, early American society was hardly the egalitarian paradise we like to think it was.
I think that over time education and class became so conflated that the working classes came to resent both: the wealth AND the education, because they had (and still often have) access to neither. Now it has come down to people having a kind of perverse pride in being stupid. Palin was certainly the poster girl for that. But the scary thing is, she's book-stupid but she's street smart and ruthless, so it's very easy to underestimate her. And what is really scary is how she models the 'virtues' of being shallow, attractive, book-dumb, and ruthless--and some women relate to her! They're like, "Oh she's just like me!" I'm thinking, OMG heaven help us all.
It really bothers me how people from rough neighborhoods keep each other down by monitoring each others speech. It's a lowest common denominator thing. It's so self-defeating, and it still goes on. No one has to oppress us, we can be trained so well to oppress ourselves.
You raise a good point. Although I never viewed early American society as any kind of "paradise" let alone an egalitarian one!
Conflated -- wow! Now there's a cool word. Re: Your last paragraph, extrapolate that idea to a countrywide scale. That's what I see America doing vis a vis other countries who do value and pursue education. Not to say there is an egalitarian paradise anywhere else on earth, of course. But we as a nation (or big pockets of the nation) have our values muy messed up. I truly hope the era of bling and gangsta speak/thought is coming to an end. And that Sarah P stays up in Alaska and occupies her time making babies and killing wolves.
Aside: Do you honestly think those women who relate to Sarah Palin and say, "Oh, she's just like me" really GET what she's about??? Surely these women are not ruthless?!!!
I don't think they 'get' what she's about at all. I think they are just shallow. I've worked with LOTS of women like this when I was in the call centers. They talk about their home decorating projects. They talk about which movie stars are dating and what movies they are taking their kids to see. They live in suburban homes and drive minivans or SUVs and get their hair and nails done once a month. They assume everyone else is just like them. Their thoughts never go deeper than their nailpolish, and if you say anything that requires a thoughtful response they look at you like you just whacked them between the eyes with a brick, then they giggle or just change the subject.
I know that's a bitchy assessment but it's also true.
I think maybe families are lobotomizing girl babies in some suburban areas but I'm not sure.
Pam-LOL. Don't forget the religious nutsos, security-moms (different from Mighty Mom's) and legacy ladies. Here in AZ, I've come across all the above, 'specially the nutsos and legacy wealthy. I think though, many many of who you are describing are endemic to the Midwest... Especially from West Omaha, NE, if I remember!
Fantastic Hub! I especially relate to the part about being bilinqual in college. I grew up in what was considered the "hood". And I attended a private college which was located in a suburb that was the polar opposite of my neighborhood. I was always pretty quiet in college because I would overthink what I should say and how I should say it. Didn't want to let the "hoodspeak" out!
Hi Lita--lol! Yes, I think in some ways we've backslid a bit since the last wave of feminism. But on the other hand, it's probably unfair to focus too much on women and shallowness. Most people, male or female, don't go too deep. Sometimes I enry people like that--people with orderly lives, security, shallow thoughts--I'd love some shallow comfortable living for a change. I don't think it's in my cards though.
Hi tourmaline--It's so uncomfortable, isn't it? It took me a lot of years to get comfortable in my own skin and to be able to use whatever words felt right. Thank you for you comment!
Yes, that's exactly what it's like. But not truly bilingual, where you can switch seamlessly from one language to the other. More like trying to converse in a foreign language that you don't quite have mastery over or haven't spoken for years. You have to literally think before you speak.
Lita -- thanks for not lumping me in with the security moms. Or hockey or soccer moms. I would love to learn more about "legacy moms" tho. And Pam, your description of the women at the call center. Good Gawd. How did you stand it? I guess I've been lucky. Even in my corporate days there were such types (usually the secretaries/receptionist) but there were also smart ruthless lawyers. I'm with ya. In some ways I envied the women their seemingly simple lives. I've spent countless hours wishing I could become interested in crafting. Or even gardening or home canning. *sigh. I feel like such a domestic failure.*
There is much to comment on here, so, as usual, I will choose some totally obscure point to talk about. It is amazing that Sarah Palin actually thought enough of her chances at the Vice Presidency that she hired a public relations firm, and mind boggling that it actually worked! It's enough to make me speak in billingsgate!
I used to be something of a dialectician (even studying it at University [hows that for prolese]) to the extent that I could pretty much speak in any dialect or variation thereof in the US and many foreign countries. This involved being able to write and read phonetics (not the kind in the dictionary) where every symbol represented a specific consonant, vowel or diphthong. There was no room for interpretation of the symbols. They could be voiced one way and one way only. Getting an accent just right can say a lot about a character, but it is WHAT they say that really tells us who they are. I am all for these variations in dialect, colloquialisms, and language, as part of the great and interesting diversity of people, but you should learn how to speak and write properly first, then you can break the rules. The way you describe peoples reactions back home when you said something intellegent--rolling of eyes, ridicule--says a lot about them...and it's not good. Dogs don't like to see one of their own leave the pack, or worse, position themselves for the spot of top dog.
As for Palin, Tina Fey's impersonation has her accent just right, but it is WHAT she says--her patois-- that makes it funny. Get past the charming (at least some find it so) drawel and down-homeisms to what she is saying, and we find that she did not say much at all, but didn't say it in an interesting way.
Thanks for another great hub! I've spent a lot longer here than I intended.
Hi MM--I don't know how I stood it there. I guess the short answer is I didn't. I went quite mad. Looking back, I can't believe I lasted 7 years at that work.
I like the stock work I'm doing now. I think my favorite job was back when I was a magazine editor for the PBS station. I haven't had a job that was that close to what I actually am good at and like doing for over 20 years now. Not that I haven't tried. I don't know, there just isn't much available around here, and I'm not accomplished enough to get what IS available, so I put stuff on shelves now--at least it's not the call center. I've always been kind of a bad fit most places I go--I get along with everyone but never fit in, if that makes any sense.
Christoph--How fascinating! I can see you doing that. From the call center work I've gotten to where I can pretty much tell where in the U.S. a person is from after hearing them speak very briefly. There really are subtle but identifiable differences from state to state, region to region. I remember when I lived in Queens when my first child was born. I'm from Indiana, and I was taking her to the doctor, and I told the receptionist how much I loved her accent, and she said, "Here YOU are the one with an accent!" LOL! She was right!
Pam, I absolutely know that feeling of getting along but never feeling quite like I fit in. That got "solved" for me going on 5 years ago, as I think it did to some extent -- what did you say, 7 years? 8 years? Anyway, you've definitely found a perfect fit for your personality and skills here!
I would so love to read hubs written in vernacular. Christoph -- that is a fascinating piece of info about you. I went to a play yesterday called "Every Christmas Story Ever Told" where one of the characters did a Scotsman in one scene and in another switched back and for -- faster and faster -- between Ebenezer Scrooge and Jimmy Stewart in It's a Wonderful Life. I was very impressed. That's the kind of thing I imagine you can do. All that and the best backrubs in cyberspace, too. Wow, what a guy!!!
I love this Pam! :)
There's one sentence that I have to bring out..."Well, very few people live in small towns anymore." You gave me a good laugh with that - in a good way. :) As soon as I read it, I thought, "Yes, small towns are small because very few people live in them." ;) LOL! I hope I said that right because I'm not trying to be sarcastic or mean. ;)
I live in a small town, and I can't wait to move because it's just so darned small.
I loved your neutral translations of Prolese and Snottish! The entire hub is so interesting. It made me think of a question a professor once asked when I was in college. She asked if certain slang words should become recognized as part of the English language, like saying 'axe' instead of 'ask'. The majority ruled NO.
One of my favorite things, lately, to do for a laugh is to dream up how Palin would answer different questions. LOL! You know what? I discovered that it's very, very hard to talk in word salad. It's not easy at all! lol!
Pam--That is hilarious! Seriously, that didn't even hit me until you said it like that. LOL! Seriously, I guess I should have said something like very few people live in rural areas anymore, which is where you usually find small towns--But it used to be the reverse. Most people used to live out in the country and not so many in cities. Now it's just the opposite. Thanks for point that out to me--You gave me a good laugh!
I've never lived in a small town so I don't really know what it's like. I like the idea of living in the country though. I doubt we ever will. We're here for the duration at this point I think. Thanks for your comments!
I'm so glad you understood where my mind was and got a laugh too. :)
There are advantages and disadvantages to living in the country or a small town. Personally part of me enjoys it because there's no traffic and life is very slow; however, I also hate it because we have to travel a good distance to go shopping and for doctor's appointments. My daughter has a rheumatology appointment tomorrow and we have to drive over 2 hours to get there. It's like an all day trip just for a doctor's appointment, and that kind of stuff is getting very old!
Hi Pam--That does sound really inconvenient. On the other hand, going to the doctor here, even when we live nearby, can turn into an all day affair too. That's another hub I guess. lol!
Wow Pam, you did an excellent job of explaining why Palin's problem with speech bothers most thinking Americans. It goes way beyond her "area" and environment, she has serious problems with syntax. I fail to listen to anything she says without saying "huh???" a million times afterwards.
I think most people thought there was something to her after her first speech, yet when you peel back the layers of drama and appearance with a generous covering of ignorance, you find nothing else. She can deliver a speech from a talented writer, that's it. So, put her in Broadway but get her the hell outta politics. We've got enough problems.
I love "small" town talk, and big city as well. Sometimes we do have to look beneath the habits of our slang, however, that didn't help with Palin. When the tank is running out of gas, being cute doesn't move the car.
Her following has more to do with momentum than smarts or solutions. When you're hot, you're hot, no matter what. =))
To me, she was cold as ice. Very interesting topic and you covered it well, I was entertained and informed. Prolese and Snottish?? omg
Thanks marisue! I call her Lady MacBeth. I think she's all steely ambition and not much else, but it's easy to underestimate the ambition. She hired a NY PR firm to put her out there as a possible VP candidate way before anyone had ever even heard of her, then she invited a bunch of big wig Republican pundits to her house for dinner (all men, all old puffy men) and charmed the pants off every one of them. Bill Kristol from the NYT came back from that party in some kind of nooky trance, seriously. He just went apesh#t over her, and it was SO clear to everyone there was no substance behind his gushing---it was embarassing.
I don't count her out by any means. I'm waiting for her to bump off Todd and marry some important old Washington right winger. I hope Todd is watching his back. The woman IS armed. (o:
you've got her pegged, I think her "religion" comes on and off as much as her clothes. That story about her towel on her head sorta "bared" more than her bod....her soul, or lack of it was shining clear.
I think you're right, she's gonna be here a while, and frankly, if that's all the repubs can come up with in 2012, well, hellloooo Obama for another 4. which is perfectly fine with me. May she continue to sink the Republican's ship.
Reading Palin's Darfur-related comments, I'm not convinced it's about class or education. I think she just doesn't know anything about it, and waffled on to try to hide that fact.
Hi Londongirl. Well, I think Darfur is just one of many subjects she doesn't know anything about and doesn't care if she ever knows. Thanks for your thoughts.
I think you are right (-:
Hi pgrundy – I found this article through a friend of mine, Elena, who wrote about corporate language inspired by you! I'm not surprised, what a lesson, and I thank you for having made her think about itl! :-)
On your article: I'm a bit familiar with Cavett, I never really stopped to think he's a pompous ass, and I'm not sure if it's because I want to PRETEND to understand him and be on the same page, or because he speaks fluent English and I'm supposed to get THAT!!! LOL
Paglia, I do not regret to say I'm NOT at all familiar with this chic. Nor would I have any desire to be, really, after reading your bit here!
Thank you for the entertainment! And thank you for proving there's intelligent life not only outside our planet but also on our own! LOL
Hi Ayer--Thank you so much for taking the time to read my hub on Elena's recommendation! Elena is awesome--it was wonderful meeting her here and it's a good thing for me to read her much more positive take on corporate work. She has a lot of good things to say. I don't how how intelligent my life is! I try to have fun though. ;o)
Thanks for stopping by!
LOL! I'm still laughing.
Communication is all we humans really have yet it's getting harder and harder to understand the point in far too many places. Slang and sensationalism are major contributors and directness is becoming a coveted rarity. You did a great job with this hub. Thanks for the work.
Thanks, the Rope!
Wow. You should be syndicated Pam.
Thank you William!





























VioletSun says:
12 months ago
Prolese or Snottish? This is clever, I love it. LOL! Have been on the receiving end of double corporate speak and some prolese and snottish, and my most favorite form of communication is direct, non pretentious communication that respects the English language; also prefer to not be assaulted with profanity every second. I used to have a boss whose every other word was $#@*!!! and he wasn't even angry. LOL!
As for Palin, yikes!