Einstein's God Argument
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Einstein Speaks to His Philosophy Professor
"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues, now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"
Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it
everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
Quite an interesting argument being e-forwarded around...
Evil is the absence of God... hmmm
Nope... not convinced.
For Evil to exist, it's opposite must exist, i.e. Good.
Good is a relative term but for arguments sake, let's say Good exists... and using Einstein's arguement, Evil is the absence of Good. Well, that leaves all the grey area as Evil. I don't agree with this... does God? Everything not done in his name is Evil? Atheists are Evil by nature? Or is it that they do have God in their hearts but simply don't believe it? Possible? Sure... Likely? No.
Is Evil a bad thing? Is Dexter's character bad by nature (A sociopath who kills the wicked)? Am I Evil because I don't believe an omni-benevolent god exists? Can my heart never be pure?
There are also the counter-arguments to consider...
Perhaps God is the absence of Evil... or Good is the absence of Evil.
This is where the argument get's complex, redundant, and begs for a proper definition.
Good = Not Evil, Evil = Not Good, God = Not Evil, Evil = Not God
Evil² = (Not Good)(Not God)... which we break down to:
Evil² = (Not² + 2GoodGod + GoodGod²)
√Evil² = √(Not² + 2GoodGod + GoodGod²)...
Evil = Good God! is this equation informative!
(i worked it out on my drafting calculater :))
Ok, I'm ridiculous... but my argument remains! Is the absence of Evil a by-product of God?
Some of the most evil people in the history of man have acted in the interest of God.
Hitler believed God wanted him to rid the world of Jews.
Charles Manson believed he killed in the name of God.
Numerous clergyman in the Middle Ages were corrupt and self-serving, yet acted as they were doing God's work. (Yes i've seen the Tudors, :))
Even in a casual discussion with a former coworker... she confided in me that some of the meanest people she knows are people who believe they are God's people.
Perhaps one can argue that these people... even though THEY believed they were acting in God's interest... are Evil.
But this brings about the objective viewpoint... which we all know is impossible.
People have subjective experiences and cannot fully relate this experience with another which means that no person can have an objective experience or be truly objective.
But that's a tangent that I don't want to explore right now...
"Evil is the absence of God in one's heart."
what a bunch of bull $hit...
the more i think about it, the less i believe in the validity of the email.
Evil is manifested by man... out of fear of God's Judgment. Before man existed, evil did not exist... neither did good. Animals just did what was necessary to maintain life.
Hungry? Eat. Hot? Shade. Horny? Fornicate.
I WISH life was lived this simply!
I'd probably have more hair on my head... and could see my feet over my gut =T
This reminds me why I hate email forwards... I want to believe in the message it brings, but I'm skeptical of the validity of stories like this.
It's possible that Einstein... during a philosophical discussion about the existence of God... stumped his teacher by defining Evil as an absence of God... Perhaps this took place.
But who is this message intended for? Atheists? Agnostics? Evil-doers?
If I allow God into my heart... Evil will no longer exist inside me?
I had no idea Evil was there in the first place! How did it get there?
Dammit to heck!
Well, it's too late for me... stay away everyone, lest you become infected, too.
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If you had no evil in your heart maybe God is already there
Good points! :D One of my teachers told me and my best friend that we where going to commit sucide because we couldn't feel gods love O.o he's so full of crap... will show him this article later
^ A teacher told you that? He must know what he's talking about and is indicative of every religious person. Thats it, I'm an atheist now!
Atheist... your instructor should be fired for his(?) intolerance and lack of understand of whatever religion he follows...
Duh... i wish i could say that you're wrong... but then my integrity would be lost.
Brian... perhaps God is already in my heart, but can a non-religious person go to heaven?
Tom... thanks for fact-checking. i didn't realize things like this could be proven false so easily :)
Dgerrimea... take solace in knowing that the person who wrote and forwarded this email is going to burn... :)
Hi Hauser:
Your "Hub" is thoughtful and the subject well expressed.
I must quote a thought from "Desiderata:" "...Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be." Modern man has been "conceiving" god/s since he evolved as a 'conscious" creature. This, contemporary, 3200 year old "god" has been conceived no differently.
The words: evil and good exist but the "notion" they define, does not.
All life is genetically programmed to do that which is necessary to survive. Gaia demands nothingless.
Man, because he has "evolved" an unique ability to intellectually consider "all," is in the process of divorcing himself from the balancing act which has been responsible for life as it is on this planet.
Man has created the words "good" and evil" to define all that is which enhances or jeopardizes his existence and way of life.
To most, good and evil are biblical and the "evil" concerns "sin." You described that well when you said: "...what a bunch of bull $hit...!
I'm not an atheist, agnostic, deist or a believer in "bull shit" supernatural divinities.
I am only an evolved "animal" doing my best to survive for as long as my genetic programming will allow....sans "god/s."
your arguement is void, evil IS the absence of God. we have never know a life without God being there. The reason evil did not exist before man was that animals do not know the difference between right and wrong. We know, thus we can be judged upon our knowledge. We are created in the image of God. Another way alot of ppl put it is there is a little bit of good in everyone. Hell has been described many ways, but i think that it is a complete separation from God- to no longer have love, warmth or light or any of the things you call good. Believing in God does not go against Science, in fact albert einstien also said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." You can try as you might but you can not explain God away.
Very interesting hub . Thanks for sharing with us
Interesting Stuff! Here's a good one too: http://hubpages.com/hub/spiritualpath
Very interesting hub:)
ur equation is wrong!
Good = Not Evil, Evil = Not Good, God = Not Evil, Evil = Not God
Evil² = (Not Good)(Not God)... which we break down to:
Evil² = (Not² + 2GoodGod + GoodGod²) this is wrong! it should be Evil² = (Not² + NotGoodNotGod + GoodGod)
check out your maths dude!
?Evil² = ?(Not² + 2GoodGod + GoodGod²)...
Evil = Good God!
sorry my bad..it should have been
(Not² + NotGood + NotGod + GoodGod) instead of (Not² + NotGoodNotGod + GoodGod)
missed out the + sign there.
haha... thanks mathpro
it's been awhile since i used the foil method.
shaw... just saw your comment and i appreciate your input. unfortunately, i'm not attacking the existence of God. I'm discussing the validity of the argument (Evil is the Absence of God). It's an illogical argument as well as semantically driven. Anything can be the absence of it's opposite. If Einstein really had this conversation with his instructor, than I feel bad that his teacher was so easily trumped. The argument doesn't prove or disprove anything... in fact, it's a simple play on words.
Onew of the arguments I find most interesting is that if one does not believe in God, or more specifically, a certain God, then one is evil. Are there no good athiests out there?
well, I have met quite a few "good" athiests and some pretty evil God-fearing people. One can take any argument and make it seem logical, but the truth of logic is that it is not always true, or at least becomes untrue as new facts are discovered. That is because logic only works on the facts at hand.
Once it was logically proven that no aircraft could exceed the speed of sound, and then someone invented the jet engine. New info, old logic goes by the wayside.
Nice hub!
Cheers!
Chef Jeff
Great hub hauserdave. I am often struggling with such emails. They drive me crazy. Even as a Catholic, such manipulation of wording and poor arguments accomplish nothing. You'd think faith would have better things to do.

















Dgerrimea says:
4 months ago
I still don't know why they thought they could get away with pretending Einstein would ever say something like this :S