In the spirit of innovation we Hubbers just love to try new things, break barriers and be creative. (This spawned a new page on the HubPage Blueprint site)

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The Hubbers are always trying to do something nobody else has done... I remember my first few weeks on Hubpages when I saw limitations in the ability to personalize my hubs with colors and fonts and even putting a picture to the left of the words, so I built this hub: Pimp Your HubPage which shows some creative ways to "dress your hub up" in an evening gown.

This time I took a conversation from the forum and wrote a hub to continue it (alot of people do this) then linked to the hub, and the person who stimulated the hub commented (long comment which was cool) and I wrote another hub to continue the conversation breaking down his comment and my response :)

What would be cool is if he wrote a hub in response and I wrote a comment, and the journey continues.. a multi demensional hubbersation (I coined a new term for this type of conversation across hub-pages!)

This Hub (second one now) Was stimulated by this Forum post. Actually this post here was the result of that forum post then this hub here is the result of a comment by the same guy who stimulated me to write that hub! confused?

Just click the first link, read the thread then in the post I left I linked to my hub (same hub as the second link here) then in that hubs comments I link here (so just click that link "this forum post" and go from there :) till you get here (if you want to catch up)

This conversation started out being about luck, then turned to fate and destiny (here in this hub)... so the conversation continues:

[[ Thanks for such an elaborate response :D ]]

Your welcome *smiles*

[[That's your view of things, I guess... If you think we create our luck, then you're stating something else... that you believe in free will and the ability to mold's one destiny as we go along... ]]

This is true, my view, not necessarily anyone else's, one reason I put this in my own hub not the forum. I offer my point of view nothing more.

[[ But if our fate is already written, then that's a fallacious notion. If 13 is written as a bad luck number, it's gonna be bad luck, no matter if your subconscious makes it happen or not...]]

Fate is both written and not written, this is a complex thing to explain but to use a metaphor think of a video game. The game parameters are set. The game can physically not do more than the gamers programmed into the cartridge so the rules are rigid as far as potential

This is my view of "Fate" as were living it.

Now take that same video game and realize that although the "laws of physics" so to speak are set there are so many variables within the game that can be moved around that there are really an infinite amount of combinations of how one could interact with the game.

As a player your fate is set by your characters limitations however using some sly maneuvering (what makes you a great player) you can supersede even those limitations by being cleaver and aware of your limitations and how you can generate unforeseen potentials that often even the game creators may not have realized.

Free will is the players ability to play the game and interact dynamically, unlike the game Pac-Man where the game can only be played a few ways the complexity of the games on the newer machines gives rise to the very format our reality is built under.

So what I mean by fixed and not fixed is that although our parameters "the laws of physics" are fixed and we each have our own limitations based on a great deal of factors such as mental dexterity, environment, physical limitations etc.. these are only limited by your refusal to be creative. I think our limitations force us to be creative. Not fixed means that although we have a destiny, free will allows us to reach said destiny in billions maybe trillions of trillions of different ways there by giving us what seems like infinite choices.

[[So you don't believe in destiny... as for me, I'm not sure what I believe. Maybe you're right, maybe I am. Your theory is the same as the Secret (you know, that bestselling book...). It focuses on forgetting about bad stuff and always think positive. If you do that, positive things will happen. Always find good meanings in situations, bla, bla, bla... In fact, let me suggest putting in this hub some reference and Amazon capsule to The Secret, you could really sell some eheh (see, here's positive thinking to you!)... ]]

I do believe in destiny, in fact I believe in both destiny and pro choice of destiny.. above I explained this concept, simplifying it best I could.

I am aware of "The Secret" but a better movie is "What the Bleep do we know - Deeper down the rabbit whole" which goes into the quantum physics of what the secret was talking about, where The Secret says "think positive" What the bleep shows you HOW.

It's not just about thinking positive, it's about controlling your life through realizing and becoming aware of how things affect you. It's about acting not reacting. Superstitions only can exist in a reactive mind state. If your in an active mind state you will realize that that your responsible for your beliefs, your beliefs are responsible for your perceptions, your perceptions are responsible for your reactions to life, your reactions are responsible for creating your environmental triggers which affect everything else. Life is 10% Action 90% reaction is a quote I adore.

Telling someone that their beliefs/superstitions are silly provokes the same reactive mind to protect what it knows, where by offering rational proof that the mind controls the nature of the "13" by virtue of how it see's it and how it reacts to it when it does see it. Think of the fight or flight response here. When you've never been attacked or seen anything remotely close to danger your not scared of a giant cat.

Most children will fearlessly at a very young age that is, walk right up to it and pet it, where by once we've seen a movie, had someone impersonate a scary cat, or seen a negative picture of a large cat (scary?) then we react to that information not the actual reality unfolding before us.

The same applies to superstitions. The number 13 inherently is not lucky or not lucky, it simply is. It is only when we quantify its value, its affects on us, and so on that it has any power over us, but in reality the power is not inherent in the number but our perception of it. We generate filters and rules along with them so we react based on the fight or flight response. We are always acting or reacting, there is no middle ground. You can't act a little or react a little you either do or you don't.

[[ Positive thinking is good to your morale and self-esteem... Makes you not to be depressed and want to do things for your life and happiness. Gives you room for making objectives and establish plans to improve your present and build your future. ]]

Positive thinking is relative which is why you can't just say think positive thoughts. To one person money is the salvation to all there problems, it is the most positive thought there is, to another money is the root to all of there problems and as evil a topic as there is!

I don't believe the universe gauges weather or not your thinking positive or negative, it just contains laws that have benefits or consequences depending on many factors such as how you react/act towards the law. Take gravity for example. If you jump off a bridge you will fall straight down, the law of gravity is clear, now falling to someone suicidal is a positive thing, its there so called escape, however to someone who wants to live falling is negative. It is not the universe that determines which one a thought, action, etc.. is, it is US.

This is the problem I have with the bible dictating things such as sex before marriage and gay marriage and so on (to name a few things in the news lately) the reality is the bible makes no such judgments, it is the people who read the bible and perceive that as the truth that make that distinction and it is a form of mass hysteria that generates this sheeple law to be true or false.

When enough people push the idea that the bible says sex before marriage is against gods plan/wishes then a form of fear, shame, and so on is formed around a community and although you may not agree with the crowds definition of the context they got this assessment from, you are practically shamed into accepting it over and over until you believe this is what it says and ironically you will fight tooth and nail later to protect your belief once you've adopted it.

I don't think god would give a dam if I had sex every day of my mature life and never got married, I believe all of this is a form of crowd control and manipulation and I think Jesus would have a few things to say were he here today about how his teachings have been perverted to ridiculous rumors made true "because the church says so and has for a thousand years".

Truth is if god really didn't want this nothing would stop him from sending us all to hell because we all break this law... it is superstition molded from a different truth that has causes this mass hysteria- truth is people are so dam confused they don't know what is true and what is opinion, no wonder they are clinging to superstition to have some form of equilibrium!

[[ But that doesn't work for everyone, see. I could never be like that. Maybe it' a genetic thing, or a personality issue. Maybe it's because my childhood is not a happy one, my mother died when I was very young and due to my profession I see horrible things happening everyday, good people dying and I'm totally helpless to change anything... }}

Nobody is more helpless than they allow themselves to be. I believe karma has a lot to do with the horrible things that happen to people seemingly undeserved. Possible in a past life they were a murderer, child molester, evil being and they escaped like Hitler did thorough suicide then this perfect system god has created is simply working to harmonize the equation.

The assumption that reincarnation doesn't exist leads people to believe that these horrible things are "unfair, unjust, or random ridiculous things" and that god is responsible but who's to say god created us and let us go free with free will meaning he doesn't intervene and this entire existence is trillions of eons of evolution created by all of gods children whom were born of light and sound and whom is responsible collectively for our current reality, then we'd have to take the scape-goat (god) out of the blame and we'd have to look at ourselves as being at fault-

nobody wants to claim that responsibility so we yell unfair, how can a god that loves his children allow such things to happen? What if god being the wisest pencil in the box has nothing to do with our projects and is giving us our privacy to live our lives and we all are responsible for whatever happens to anyone because were all not taking personal responsibility for our lives and through some elaborate spiritual domino effect the game has created "situation cancers" that sure hit these people seemingly unfairly but what if this is a result of them not doing their job to manifest their world, to participate to the full extent of their being, to exercise their potential, and thus not doing so, possibly over several life times, has generated a ripple effect, a cause-effect relationship that we ignorantly dismiss because we don't see the cause so it must be unfair.

What if we had all along the power to stop this seemingly negative and destructive event from happening but we neglected to hear our intuition telling us all along what to do? What if that voice in our head, that gut feeling, was our compass but we've all ignored it and just like someone sitting at home instead of hitting the unemployment office or the job hunt will eventually feel the effects of their not trying to find work, will end up starving to death, depressed and hopeless about their life, one day standing on the street looking an uncurable mess, and we feel sorry for them because they are hungry and dirty, and have nothing to live for (in their eyes or our judgmental eyes), and we think poor guy how can god allow this to happen... but what if god gave that man every chance to prevent it, but other than interfering with free will god couldn't do anything lest he break his promises which could have far reaching consequences for everything else in the universe (the butterfly effect).

The point is that personal responsibility for our actions, our reactions, our life, our definition of lucky/bad luck numbers, etc.. is what liberates us from the negative effects of those things that we otherwise relinquish control to like the number 13. It seems silly that you could believe full heartedly that the number 13 is YOUR ghost and although to that other poster it brings nothing but good luck, that it could be so destined to be unlucky just for you and the masses who've adopted those naysayers who claim it is a negative number (when in all of history 13 has been the most lucky number ever actually, 13 stars/states in the original united states flag, 13 stripes, etc..).

In essence it appears that this number is stalking YOU thus I can only conclude that YOU are giving it your power, a silly thing to do is to give an inanimate object your power without it even fighting you for it... Then blaming it on it's nature. If it were created as bad luck it would be consistent in affecting everyone negatively but the reality in my opinion, is that it is not the number that is bad luck, its your own thoughts that give it such power over you. Things that happen to you are a result of your actions, they are reactions that happen when you act and react accordingly.

Just because you don't see the pattern doesn't mean you didn't cause the event. The butterfly effect states something you do today could affect you 20 years later. You step on a butterfly here today and 20 years later it could be the chain reaction that sets off events leading to 200 people being viciously killed on an airplane by terrorists! (heard that example on "the fringe" Pilot episode)

[[ Maybe it's because we are just speckle of dust, meaningless and that our end will probably be one of fear and pain. Maybe I'm just pessimist. Probably I'm just a coward... ]]

Or maybe its just that your causes are generating effects you don't understand how they happened, even being a pessimist or a coward are effects that had to have a cause- the law of the land is cause effect, this is scientifically proven.

[[ For a very long time I couldn't be positive about things. 13 is just something more I don't feel comfortable about. Sure, I'll probably never be truly happy being the way I am, but I don't think I can change me. My fate is imprinted in me. But hey, 3 and 7 are really good numbers to me :D And 24 is also quite ok!

You see, we are all different people and all have our particularities. I never met just one that doesn't wear masks. Profiler is just a nick, but at the same time is a mask that I use here. Same as the masks we use when we lie, or when we try to feign being something that we aren't. Same as when we answer the polite way, even when we want to say F**k Off. Same as when we're being cynical, evil, egotistical... So maybe 13 is also a mask to me, in some way. Something that I can focus to justify some of my failures in life. Or maybe is something like you said, about our minds controlling our life's. Or maybe, it's fate.

Whatever it is, it's me. And God does not exist..]]

I think you understand what it is and choose to believe it because like you said, maybe it gives you comfort to place blame on something other than yourself for failures, after all most people blame god in this capacity and your last line states god doesn't exist so you need somewhere to divert the blame that is safe.. that people generally won't dispute, after all were all superstitious in some way right?

What you should really ask yourself is this:

Why did you start this thread, what did you really want to know.. I'm not talking about the obvious reasons you wrote it, possibly seemingly just random, just something to do, hoping for a small insignificant reaction (and got me to write a hub)...

I mean ask yourself what provoked you at the deepest levels and did your spirit know somehow as were all connected like water in a fish tank touches everything in the tank literally connecting everything in life is air, energy, etc.. that although not conscious that subconsciously you knew posting that forum post would elicit some sort of answers? Who knows.. this is what makes life exciting... figuring out the puzzles!

Remember that movie "The 13^th Floor"? Maybe we are in that virtual world and none of this is real anyway, were just electrons... which leads me to conclude this with:

It's the journey not the destination that is important. How you fly not where you fly that counts. If your living or trapped in the current. This determines happiness or frailty.

[[ But that doesn't work for everyone, see. I could never be like that. Maybe it' a genetic thing, or a personality issue. Maybe it's because my childhood is not a happy one, my mother died when I was very young and due to my profession I see horrible things happening everyday, good people dying and I'm totally helpless to change anything... }}

Nobody is more helpless than they allow themselves to be. I believe karma has a lot to do with the horrible things that happen to people seemingly undeserved. Possible in a past life they were a murderer, child molester, evil being and they escaped like Hitler did thorough suicide then this perfect system god has created is simply working to harmonize the equation.

The assumption that reincarnation doesn't exist leads people to believe that these horrible things are "unfair, unjust, or random ridiculous things" and that god is responsible but who's to say god created us and let us go free with free will meaning he doesn't intervene and this entire existence is trillions of eons of evolution created by all of gods children whom were born of light and sound and whom is responsible collectively for our current reality, then we'd have to take the scape-goat (god) out of the blame and we'd have to look at ourselves as being at fault-

nobody wants to claim that responsibility so we yell unfair, how can a god that loves his children allow such things to happen? What if god being the wisest pencil in the box has nothing to do with our projects and is giving us our privacy to live our lives and we all are responsible for whatever happens to anyone because were all not taking personal responsibility for our lives and through some elaborate spiritual domino effect the game has created "situation cancers" that sure hit these people seemingly unfairly but what if this is a result of them not doing their job to manifest their world, to participate to the full extent of their being, to exercise their potential, and thus not doing so, possibly over several life times, has generated a ripple effect, a cause-effect relationship that we ignorantly dismiss because we don't see the cause so it must be unfair.

What if we had all along the power to stop this seemingly negative and destructive event from happening but we neglected to hear our intuition telling us all along what to do? What if that voice in our head, that gut feeling, was our compass but we've all ignored it and just like someone sitting at home instead of hitting the unemployment office or the job hunt will eventually feel the effects of their not trying to find work, will end up starving to death, depressed and hopeless about their life, one day standing on the street looking an uncurable mess, and we feel sorry for them because they are hungry and dirty, and have nothing to live for (in their eyes or our judgmental eyes), and we think poor guy how can god allow this to happen... but what if god gave that man every chance to prevent it, but other than interfering with free will god couldn't do anything lest he break his promises which could have far reaching consequences for everything else in the universe (the butterfly effect).

The point is that personal responsibility for our actions, our reactions, our life, our definition of lucky/bad luck numbers, etc.. is what liberates us from the negative effects of those things that we otherwise relinquish control to like the number 13. It seems silly that you could believe full heartedly that the number 13 is YOUR ghost and although to that other poster it brings nothing but good luck, that it could be so destined to be unlucky just for you and the masses who've adopted those naysayers who claim it is a negative number (when in all of history 13 has been the most lucky number ever actually, 13 stars/states in the original united states flag, 13 stripes, etc..).

In essence it appears that this number is stalking YOU thus I can only conclude that YOU are giving it your power, a silly thing to do is to give an inanimate object your power without it even fighting you for it... Then blaming it on it's nature. If it were created as bad luck it would be consistent in affecting everyone negatively but the reality in my opinion, is that it is not the number that is bad luck, its your own thoughts that give it such power over you. Things that happen to you are a result of your actions, they are reactions that happen when you act and react accordingly.

Just because you don't see the pattern doesn't mean you didn't cause the event. The butterfly effect states something you do today could affect you 20 years later. You step on a butterfly here today and 20 years later it could be the chain reaction that sets off events leading to 200 people being viciously killed on an airplane by terrorists! (heard that example on "the fringe" Pilot episode)

[[ Maybe it's because we are just speckle of dust, meaningless and that our end will probably be one of fear and pain. Maybe I'm just pessimist. Probably I'm just a coward... ]]

Or maybe its just that your causes are generating effects you don't understand how they happened, even being a pessimist or a coward are effects that had to have a cause- the law of the land is cause effect, this is scientifically proven.

[[ For a very long time I couldn't be positive about things. 13 is just something more I don't feel comfortable about. Sure, I'll probably never be truly happy being the way I am, but I don't think I can change me. My fate is imprinted in me. But hey, 3 and 7 are really good numbers to me :D And 24 is also quite ok!

You see, we are all different people and all have our particularities. I never met just one that doesn't wear masks. Profiler is just a nick, but at the same time is a mask that I use here. Same as the masks we use when we lie, or when we try to feign being something that we aren't. Same as when we answer the polite way, even when we want to say F**k Off. Same as when we're being cynical, evil, egotistical... So maybe 13 is also a mask to me, in some way. Something that I can focus to justify some of my failures in life. Or maybe is something like you said, about our minds controlling our life's. Or maybe, it's fate.

Whatever it is, it's me. And God does not exist..]]

I think you understand what it is and choose to believe it because like you said, maybe it gives you comfort to place blame on something other than yourself for failures, after all most people blame god in this capacity and your last line states god doesn't exist so you need somewhere to divert the blame that is safe.. that people generally won't dispute, after all were all superstitious in some way right?

What you should really ask yourself is this:

Why did you start this thread, what did you really want to know.. I'm not talking about the obvious reasons you wrote it, possibly seemingly just random, just something to do, hoping for a small insignificant reaction (and got me to write a hub)...

I mean ask yourself what provoked you at the deepest levels and did your spirit know somehow as were all connected like water in a fish tank touches everything in the tank literally connecting everything in life is air, energy, etc.. that although not conscious that subconsciously you knew posting that forum post would elicit some sort of answers? Who knows.. this is what makes life exciting... figuring out the puzzles!

Remember that movie "The 13^th Floor"? Maybe we are in that virtual world and none of this is real anyway, were just electrons... which leads me to conclude this with:

It's the journey not the destination that is important. How you fly not where you fly that counts. If your living or trapped in the current. This determines happiness or frailty.

You make some interresting points Profiler.. I appreciate your stimulating me to write about this, again my points of view I'm sharing not forcing you to believe as I do...

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Jerrico