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For those including myself who believe in a creator or God/God's, what separates the human from other life? You could say the 1.6% DNA that is the missing link between human and the chimp. I believe proof of a creator or God is found in the complexity of the human mind among many other things.
Many believe we are just a phase of evolution. Humans evolving from monkey's "is not proven". Many like to believe we are the same as animals, no more no less. Some humans prefer to act as animals. Is there an animal that comes close to 1% of the human mind? Not in my belief. I think the conscious of the human mind is one of the complexities that largely separates human from animal.
Many scientists would love to prove human evolution through monkey's so there would be explanation of creation without using an unknown such as God. What would happen if scientist were to prove human evolution through monkey's? Well it would certainly prove the bible and religion wrong. What would happen if all of the religious followers found out that their belief was false? Would there be chaos, madness? Would we return to acting as monkey's instead of humans? Scary thought.
Will evolution through monkey's ever be proven? Not in my belief. For the same reason we don't truly know of our creator or God, we do know that there must be a "divine" reason humans are so complex minded compared to animals with some being exceptions.
So if you do believe in a God or creator, you may believe that man was created in the creators image. Maybe we were also created in the creators mentality.
Why do we have a conscious? Wouldn't it be great to follow an animals role just to do whatever you choose with absolutely no conscious consequences? What a great life it would be with absolutely no cares or responsibilites. When an animal kills another animal or human, does the animal feel bad for killing? I don't think so. I don't think the animal mind has a conscious or the complexity to analyze the actions of the kill. How about when a human kills another, does the human feel bad? I would say yes if the human listens to their conscious over pleasure or insanity.
So where does the conscious thoughts come from when we make a decision? Do they come from our past, our learning, parents? What about a new decision we are forced to make when we haven't been taught? Where does this thought of action come from? If we make the decision that we feel is right, this eases the conscious and makes us feel good. If we make a regretful decision, this weighs heavy on the conscious and can cause depression of self doubt. When we do make a decision against our conscious, we have another complexity of the human mind, "forgiveness".
Like conscious thought, forgiveness is huge in self learning and enlightenment. For those along with myself that have forgiven themselves and others for mistakes, words do not speak of the ease of burden on the mind and conscious that can be found within forgiveness.
With the human mind comes the ability to act, think, speak, listen, learn as a superior race of life. The only time evolution of monkey to man is proven is when man chooses to act as the monkey. The man has the ability to choose to act as human or animal. The animal does not have the choice to act as human.
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Once again, you have made me think. I love your "God" hubs. They would make a great collection.
Thanks for reading hafeezrm.
Thank You Davine, I didn't know anyone read them. Thanks for letting me know lol. Much Appreciated.
Davina* sorry, lol I should know by now huh
This is my first visit to your hubs about God. I enjoyed reading your perspective. Everything does indeed have its own distinct purpose, I doubt science can prove the existence or nonexistence. You ask the question what if they could prove the evolution theory and the ensuing chaos possiblity, wouldn't the same chaos occur if they were to prove the God theory?
Thanks for reading emohealer, "You ask the question what if they could prove the evolution theory and the ensuing chaos possiblity, wouldn't the same chaos occur if they were to prove the God theory?"
I don't think it would cause chaos if physical science shown proof of divine intervention. I think it would give reason and purpose that humans are superior intelligent life to other life. If a creator was shown by science, non believers of divine intervention would be more responsible for their actions of how they choose to live in my belief. Things seem to make more sense when there is purpose and reason.
This is a good article and I enjoyed reading it. Thanks.
I appreciate it, thanks for reading James.
Whether we believe all, part or none of modern Evolution theory (which has moved a long way since Darwin's day) we have to accept that there was a time when people had no written language. And a time before that when any spoken language must have been very limited and localised. Did these people have a conscience? The fact is, we don't and can't know. They were not apes. They were like us physically and in brain size. But what thoughts passed through these early brains? We don't know. Some people like to believe in a literal creation of Adam and Eve as fully human thinking talking people. Some like to believe in a far more subtle and ancient divine creation process that isn't necessarily inconsistent with modern science. And others see no reason to believe in creation as any kind of act of will. There are still so many open questions that don't need to be closed.
Mmmm, here are some thoughts... Naturally you can take them or leave them: thank "God" for a free country where we can speak our minds, and discard what we don't wish to take on board :-). I thus applaud your ability to write what you want, without fear; we in democratic countries should all stand up for the gift of freedom of speech.
- I think it really is basically proven that we descended from monkeys. Even common sense, never mind evolutionary theory, tells us that, surely, we look so similar to gorillas and orangutans, more-or-less at least, and a chimpanzee's face is so like ours, one way or another, how could we NOT be part of the ape family. We wouldn't deny that a lion is a cat, that dogs and wolves belong to the same family: I mean, our eyes, surely, tell us we have to be apes in some sense...
- Unquestionably, the complexity of the human mind separates us from the other animals: I mean there is simply no contest; I doubt even dolphins come close, intelligent as they are...
- I agree that it seems unlikely to me that wild animals might have a conscience; perhaps apes, but obviously our sense of conscience is far more elaborate than any other species, to be sure.
- personally, although I do not necessarily agree with everything he says, I have to say that, for the moment, I like Richard Dawkins' point: saying God created the universe sort of doesn't solve the issue: because then we must ask Who created God. It's true you can say, Well, it's a mystery: the problem is, if you're debating with someone who doesn't believe in God, saying it's just a myster isn't very convincing if they don't believe in mysterious, or unexplainable phenomena in the first place.
- I must, with Christopher Hitchens, whose ideas, again, I don't necessarily agree with all of, say it worries me how much evil is and has been done by religious people who believed in God. I know much evil has been done by atheists too, (in particular Communists), but surely religious people are supposed to be BETTER than others, not simply "at least as good or bad as" other people. Obviously (a very very tiny percent of) Muslims perpetrate evil, but Jews have done it too (it was an orthodox Jew who killed Yitzak Rabin, and another who machine gunned down a room of praying people in a mosque), and certainly Christians: during the Crusades, they say that the blood was up to the Crusaders' knees. Anyway, as I say, it worries me. I know religion can inspire people to do good, but it is certainly a mixed set of results, to my mind.
In any case, best wishes to you, and lots of success with all your hubs.
I have yet to hear or read of monkey's declaring war. Perhaps we could learn much from the animal kingdom that only kills to eat or survive, taking nothing more than what is needed to live... There is strife within their families, but again only for survival and procreative strength. They do not purposely head to another's den to kill them for not eating in the same fashion, or grooming each other the same.
For this I believe God is proven in what we can learn from all of nature and whatever is found in the universe. There is a saying from a study once done: "The hundredth monkey". Once 100 monkeys evolved to washing their fruit, all monkeys incorporated that action through universal connectedness. Are humans that much further ahead when we intentionally choose to feel detached and seperate from our fellow man?
How many must rise to a higher consciousness before all realize and incorporate an enlightened thought? Personally, I believe those who have found seeds of truth in religion and live accordingly, are leading the way and building the foundational hopes that one day, we can indeed rise above our delusional seperateness displayed so overtly with wars, prejudice and atrocities committed on each other daily - even on our loved ones as we harm and maim each other...
Thanks for reading Paraglider, "There are still so many open questions that don't need to be closed." Very much agreed. Excellent questions you posed. Thank You
Hello Adsense, Thank You for reading. Excellent questions you posed as well.
Not disagreeing, if we are a breed evolved from monkeys, why and when did the human mind gain the ability to seperate from the animal mind. Maybe this is the root to the question of creation.
thanks for writing..... that was not written by a monkey now was it???????
Hello Sylvia, Thank You for reading and commenting. Appreciated as always.
I think the reason why we are divided is because there is no science to show reason and purpose for life, only hope and faith. I believe hope and faith also sets us above the animal mind. As far as learning from nature, I highly agree that much can be learned, except for the animals that eat their young.
Thank You for reading Brenda
"thanks for writing..... that was not written by a monkey now was it???????
lol I have been called worse than a monkey before but it doesn't really matter what we are called unless we believe it, right? To answer, no I don't believe me along with you or anyone else reading has a monkey mind unless they choose to. Could the monkey choose to have a human mind?
I would like to add,
The religious "theory" is that we developed from Adam and Eve. The science "theory" is that we developed from monkey's. My "reality" is that I have no clue how or why we are elite minded. This will not make me stop asking questions or accept anothers answer as truth. Until there is fact, I will continue to have hope that there is divine reason that we have the ability to use our human minds.
Ah but we are not divided Derek - and there is plenty of science to prove it. Without allowing our hope and faith to guide us to that proof, we remain in the delusion of seperateness.
Good point on discerning which examples to follow from nature. Although even there, if some societies who kill their babies depending on sex and conforming to their social laws in hopes of greater financial gains from one over the other, might do well to have to eat their young instead of just killing them - might stop them from procreating at all (morbid thought).
As you go, so go I my friend...
"Ah but we are not divided Derek - and there is plenty of science to prove it. Without allowing our hope and faith to guide us to that proof, we remain in the delusion of seperateness."
I also think we are connected on the scale of life with all live being important to the scale. However, I also think that our human mind seperates in comparison to the animal mind. Kinda like we are, but we aren't.
A question to add: You are driving down the road and you see a small child on one end and a puppy in your rearview about to cross the road into oncoming traffic. You know you only have time to save 1 of them before the other is hit and killed by oncoming traffic. I think most would save the child. This would be a time where human life is valued more over animal life. Would saving the puppy and letting the child be killed be logical? Not in my idea. The human must seperate and be valued more than animal in some cases. Note: I love dogs, I don't condone anyone letting a dog get run over.
Very high caliber thinking.I think consciousness is something divine.I don't know where does the consciousness come from, but i know how much its capable of.Maybe the evolution theory is right or let it be wrong,in fact it has does not affect the way we behave as a human.I still wonder why the remaining monkey's are not evolving or not developing their consciousness.Who signaled them to stop evolution process?Thanks a lot marine.
Very thought provoking article however, I believe in God! I would suggest that the 1.6% DNA difference is proof that he exists.
I really enjoyed this! We do have a choice in how we act! :D
Hello Andromida, Nancy, K@ri, Thanks for reading/commenting
Andromida, "I still wonder why the remaining monkey's are not evolving or not developing their consciousness.Who signaled them to stop evolution process?"
I question this also as to why there are no middle breeds. There are either monkey or man, no mankey. lol
Nancy, I also believe in a creator by the 1.6% and many other observations throughout life.
k@ri, I wish more of us would realize that we have the choice.
Thanks to all.
Belief in a creator need not necessarily be generated by any means of proof. It is the natural feeling that occurs, and a degree of certainty that prevails. Darwin's monkeys did not prove anything at all. They did not disprove anything either. Even if it did prove that man evolved from apes, that is not strong enough a reason to let go of your instincts.
Hello quicksand, thank you for reading.
Such interesting offshooting thoughts, as always D.
"This would be a time where human life is valued more over animal life. Would saving the puppy and letting the child be killed be logical? Not in my idea. The human must seperate and be valued more than animal in some cases."
I totally agree but then, could and may write an entire hub on how ridiculous it is that so many people value pets over their people relationships. With many examples immediately coming to mind, I would have to restate the question to perhaps ask one of the folks in the examples I've witnessed: "If your pet were about to be run over with a young child you didn't know, which would you save?" Still, being hypothetical, most would respond with their logical "expected" response of the child. Why then I ask, do they avoid communication with their spouse while displaying love and loyalty to their pet? An interesting tangent we've headed to :)
Adsense strategies said most of what I wanted to say. I would like to point out that Evolutionary theory does not say we descended from apes. It says Apes and Humans have common ancestor. There is a difference. Our closest relatives seem to be chimpanzees and much of our social behviour can be found in chimpanzee bands. Politics and infidelity come to mind. Personally I wish Bonobo Apes were our closest ancestors.
Thank You for reading/commenting Alex. Do you think our closest relatives are really comparable to the human complexity? I think science would like to prove man evolved from ape so there would be more knowns.
Thanks for adding Sylvia, I will let you handle that one. lol
Is that a cop out? NOT! Can't see you unwilling to tackle any thought or debate Derek :) I will however, accept your challenge - first on where our decisions come from - then perhaps asking others why they love their pets unconditionally, and the "loved ones" with whom they share the journey, with so many expectations. Must I first put the two in a life or death situation? If so, that would have to be a hub on reincarnation lol Could we come back as a religious Monkey? Now I'm getting silly... Your brevity has me in a state of shock :) (just teasing)
When we bare down, is when we find our naked truth! ;)
Sylvia, "Must I first put the two in a life or death situation? If so, that would have to be a hub on reincarnation lol Could we come back as a religious Monkey?"
Yeah, I think life/death situation would be more powerful. Maybe we only come back reincarnated when we screw up? I don't know, thats all yours. lol
Hello Jodi, Thank You for reading. True Statement.
Yes Sir - earth is our school. If we didn't screw up so much, we'd finally graduate. Eckists believe in a "wheel of 84" I'm sure some have graduated in less than that. However many times, the sad fact is we are the best now that we've ever been. They didn't call them the dark ages for nothing.
To keep it light and philosophical, think I'll stick to this life :)
"the sad fact is we are the best now that we've ever been."
I agree with this as true. I think it is sad that we as a whole haven't learned more humanity of the time we have had.
It's simply a matter of structure probability iteration permutation is a chance choice change; or we will evolve as we refine our behavior to include the whole of our being...
The more variables we can manage the more sophisticated a being we become.
Humanity needs to quit running away from its obligation to change and correct its course on its journey through space and time...
Its fear that has trapped the minds of many... We are taught to fear the unknown or discard it as if it had no worth so to disguise our fear as defiance.
Whether this helps or not its the road most traveled... this is the state of affairs that needs to be reckoned with...
Hello loua, Thank You for reading/commenting. Excellent words you added. Thanks.
I think you're right in that it is humankind's conscious decision making ability through a well-developed conscience that distinguishes humankind from animals. The ability to empathize and put oneself in another's place and attempt to feel what another feels, along with the courage to act accordingly is what creates nobility of humankind.
Empathy is at the core of the Golden Rule to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. But to assume that one must have a belief in God to act with a conscience toward one's fellowman is an assumption that presumes that those of us who choose not to believe in God or are apathetic about his/her existence are not moral.
There is a morality that is based on empathy, on the ability to see suffering in another and to know that we would not want to suffer and therefore to refrain from imposing suffering.
On the contrary, there are also those who believe in God and an after-life who are capable of inflicting great pain on others (terrorist bombers, sociopaths, etc.) Their belief in God through the tenants of their religion enables them to define morality in a way that denies, what I feel, is a basic human characteristic - the ability to empathize.
Just as a person who suffers from anorexia has brainwashed his or her own mind to deny the body of a basic need for food, so too, those whose morality enables a lack of empathy have had to convince themselves that allowing the suffering of others is actually moral, in fact, even worthy of earning a place in heaven!
It's easy to see this concept when we look at those of other religions - not so easy to see how the religions with which we are familiar, allow us to look aside from want and pain and call it moral.
You bring up fascinating topics, 'Marine'. It's a journey and we're all at different phases along our own continuum. As 'adsense' says, "thank "God" for a free country where we can speak our minds," so we can continue the quest. I toast to the journey !
Thank You for reading/commenting Katy.
-I don't have a religion or a set belief on God or a God. I do believe there are creators/creator that possibly doesn't intervene in life. I'm not sure on that one.
Marine
I agree that God and Creator are two different entities.
Evolution doesn't make much sense because we have remnants of the pre-evolved creatures still in existence. There is no sense in evolving while the previous lifeform remains the same.
A God or Deity by definition wants and expects his created life to remain in debt and honor and serve. A creator that is not a God is like a scientist that has created something. It is an experiment and by definition it is hands off to determine the result of the experiment.
So one can disbelieve evolution and instead believe in a Creator that is not a God.
Religion uses God to control people in the same manner as governments use laws. Governments are national but religion is international. So in essence you have global versus local control over people. The object is the same, the domain is different.
We have no real proof of God, there is no divine authenticated artifact to prove the existence of God. Documents written by men for men is not a divine document. The Garden of Eden, the great flood, the ten Commandments and other events of these documents don't exist.
The world and its history tend to support the Creator theory rather than the God theory. Remember, the Creator wouldn't interfere with its experiment.
The Old and New Testaments portray a different God. The bottom line is that neither of these testaments have changed the nature of people. People are no better today than they were in BC. Genesis answers no scientific questions, it is ambiguous and accounts for only the knowledge and imagination of the people that wrote it.
BTW, The Garden of Eden was according to the Bible, Heaven on Earth. OK, I paraphrased but because of Adam and Even we are now upgraded to the Heaven where God lives. Had they not eaten the fruit, we would all be in the Garden living forever. What would be the population of the Earth today if nobody died?
Do you really think that Divine Inspiration or Communication would have resulted in the kind of world we live in today?
Hello opinion duck, Thank You for reading and commenting.
"Do you really think that Divine Inspiration or Communication would have resulted in the kind of world we live in today?"
This is one of the most powerfull questions I have ever seen. Thanks for asking.
To answer, no. I don't think there is divine intervention in life besides maybe creation of the human mind compared to animal mind? It still boggles me to think the complexity of the human mind is "only" evolution. As you said with a creator or experiment not intervening, this is not always true. Sometimes the creator or scientist will make adjustments. Of course, I can't say how, when, or if adjustments have been made. If there is divine intervention during the course of life, it's from no creator that I want to be a creation of when innocent can die without being saved and a life of evil can succeed.
Marine
Thanks for your comment, and I agree with your feeling about the innocent dying without being saved, while evil flourishes.
On your other point about the adjusting the experiment. If there was adjustments in this experiment, it doesn't appear to have made any positive change. In my opinion, people for the most part are worse than in BC.
It doesn't seem natural for humans to embrace the concept of an invisible God and mystery. If there is a God instead of a Creator, then it would be God to come forward and be present at least to dispense his conditions instead of people being forced to rely on word of mouth.
Think about how evil needs no faith or preaching and no real or imaginary figure to portray its message. Evil is an inherent and dominant attribute in all humans. Good may be inherent in all humans but it certainly is not dominant.
When you do evil, you should be rewarded by the master of evil for following him. For the devil to punish evil would be like God punishing good. If you do good, you follow God and if you do evil you follow the devil. God and the devil should reward their followers and not punish them.
If you believe in the Old Testament, then you have to question why evil existed in the Garden of Eden. This was supposed to be Heaven on Earth.
A crude example of evil and good would be the old barrel of apples. Which is more powerful, the good apple or the bad apple. Well, if you throw a bad apple into a barrel of good apples, what is the ultimate result?
All the apples, will eventually turn bad.
What then would be the result of throwing a good apple into a barrel of bad apples?
The good apple will turn bad, and it will turn bad faster than in the previous scenario.
Because of the human mind, good and bad people can have different results than apples. Apples don't have brains, but people do and they can resist the force of evil.
If there were no laws and no religion, would people be predominantly good or evil?
I believe that the answer is the same as rolling loaded dice. This question asks, which way are the dice loaded.
Hello Opinion Duck, Thanks for responding.
"On your other point about the adjusting the experiment. If there was adjustments in this experiment, it doesn't appear to have made any positive change. In my opinion, people for the most part are worse than in BC"
Another great thought you gave. I would like to add onto this. I agree with you, "we" have been pretty damn foolish in not learning from our history/mistakes as a whole. The only thing I would like to add is, We do have the knowledge and choice to learn from our mistakes, "when we "choose" to use it. I agree, the majority has not chosen to learn. The only point i'm trying to make is that we have the "option to learn" from our mistakes.
"When you do evil, you should be rewarded by the master of evil for following him. For the devil to punish evil would be like God punishing good. If you do good, you follow God and if you do evil you follow the devil. God and the devil should reward their followers and not punish them."
You are giving some of the deepest individual thoughts I have read on here. Excellent job. This is one of the best points I have ever read on why the Devil theory is bashed. It would not be logical for a Devil to punish those that do the devils deeds. Excellent Comment! One thought I have is, maybe if we fail to do good in life, we are forced to repeat life. This life is nothing I want to repeat. If theres a chance of repeating if failing, I will try in my idea to pass.
I think if we relied on our conscious, love for life, we wouldn't need religion or government guidance. How many of us accept our conscious? I don't think very many of us do.
Marine
As always thanks for your open mind to at least consider an unorthodox viewpoint.
I agree with your comment about our option to learn from our mistakes and that apparently many have not chosen that option.
Repeating life because you didn't get it right the first time is an interesting point that I had not considered. Maybe that is why some believe in reincarnation.
Your final paragraph is true and that could be a reason for religion and government to fill that need of what we should be doing.
Hello Opinion Duck, Thanks for responding. I don't have much to add to what you said. All you mentioned could be very likely.
A very logical and neat presentation of your thoughts.
Thank You Rajan. Much appreciated. I try not to be absolute on any belief so I don't miss anything.
hafeezrm says:
5 months ago
Nice article.