Global Warming Vs. Global Cooling
75Question:
If the scientific community is in disagreement - some say the planet is warming up and could mess up our weather and others are saying the planet is cooling and could go into another mini-ice age - while yet a third sector of the scientific community is saying it's because of increased sun spot activity, then isn't this whole thing a big to-do about nothing we have any control over?
Follow up question:
Why are we being told that it's because people drive SUVs, or any vehicles, for that matter, when a volcanic erruption anywhere on the planet puts more pollutants and carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than our vehicles could ever put into it? Hmmmmm......
Footnote:
As I sit here typing away, I'm listening to the man who started the Weather Channel and was its president being interviewed on a radio show. This man's a meterologist. He's saying carbon dioxide. So, even when we're discussing this issue, we can't seem to agree on which molecule is the accused culprit. I say "accused" because the global warming alarmists are trying to convince us that it is the key factor contributing to it.
March Update - Al Gore seems he's got another "Inconvenient Truth" to deal with. Turns out new scientific data's not necessarily supporting his claims that global warming is happening and we've GOT to pay carbon credits to him to appease our guilt. (For link to article on this, please see links below.)
April Update - Well, this isn't the "smoking gun" folks, it's the "frickin" BULLET from that gun! All one has to do is email the author, threaten to ruin him if he doesn't change the story's perspective, and voila... you can manipulate the media through blackmail that easily. Check this out: BBC Changes Its Story After One Complaint by Activitist, and don't miss the link to the actual text of the email exchange showing how it all went down. IMHO, we're really losing our sanity folks. What next, "If I tell you that the moon is made of green cheese because we've got scientists who tell us it is, then you'll write your article to tell the people that, or else!"???
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Hey funride,
Yes, thanks for catching that oversight of mine. (See my footnote in the article.)
For the sake of documenting my remarks on the topic, check out this link:
The link don´t work but I found the article anyway. I guess we really have to wait and see what will happen LOL. The temperatures tends to variate differently in opposite parts of the planet, over here (Portugal) the winter is not much colder than I can remember but in the other end summers are getting hotter every year. I´m not able to assure you that this is due to human actions but I have no doubt that we already made a lot of changes to the Earth environment and that those were not good changes if you know what I mean.
About the carbon dioxide (what we mainly expire every time we breath) it´s only a problem if trees are not able to transform it into oxygen (photosynthesis) due to deforestation. As we can see all our actions in the last decades overall have been responsible for much of the changes that we are now afraid of.
In my opinion, no matter what will happen, we all should make an effort to minimize our already polluted footprint and try to leave the Earth liveable for next generations to come.
This whole problem has been traced to have started about 100 yrs ago which is reflected in the decrasing of size of the polar ice cap. This happens to coincide with the start of the automobile burning gas circa 1907. This in turn affects ocean temperatures and water currents and creating weather changes as in more violent hurricanes and tsumanis and heat waves and drought. The air we breathe isn't too healthy either via smog cough, gag, wheeze :-)
Hi funride,
Yes, I whole heartedly agree that we all need to be good stewards of our "planetary spaceship", but I'm dubious at best about this topic when it is used as a political tool (more specifically - a hammer) to force a country to do something which puts an economic strain on it (the USA), while at the same time exempting another country from those controls that is polluting the planet far more than most others (China).
To understand my point, either now or over the next several months, if you happen to catch any news items about how Bejing is preparing for the coming Olympics, note what they're having to do the clean up the air pollution just around that city so it's not so bad for the incoming hoards of athletes and viewers of the games. And that's just one of their major cities.
BTW, if you really understand science to any level, you know that it is ALL theory until it is completely beyond disagreement within the scientific community (such as gavity being a scientific law). So, be careful about using theories as though they are facts, when they're NOT; dataminer.
Now you´ve touch the wound! Politics!!! I suppose there are political interests on both sides of the "barricades" :/
I believe Man has responsibility in lots of environmental problems around the world, but I also want to believe We are to "small" and "young" as creatures to be able to change the planet weather.
Jondolar, I think you're right about it being more of a "political" issue these days.
I'll be completely honest, i'm on the fence about the whole issue. I agree that we need to be good stewards of what we're given, but sometimes I wonder just how much pollution that we cause is really as damaging as volcanoes (as you suggested) and other natural disasters.
Hi funride & WeddingConsultants,
Thanks for your comments. Let me expand on this point of "global warming" as a political tool.
I was just watching the President of Czechoslovakia, Vaclav Klaus, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A1clav_Klaus) being interviewed about the global warming issue. He believes that now that communism is essentially dead, the socialists are looking for a new ideaology to replace it, and it is now "global cricisism" being pushed by elitists (a.k.a. Bilderbergers) who are attempting to maintain a state of fear through the mass media to promote the move toward implementing a One World Order government through the U.N., IMF and World Bank. Just stop and think about all of the stuff that's been happening in the past ten years; International Court established, GAT, NAFTA, the EU, SPP, talk of a global economy, etc. He was saying this because his first 48 years were growing up under the Soviet regime and said it is the socialist system which doesn't work, not the people needing to change their attitude about it.
I believe 6.5 billion people can and do have at least a small effect on the planet. Volcanic eruptions DO emit more than all cars and factories. Also, there have been many many periods of cooling and heating. The earth is constantly changing. 12,000 years ago massive glacial ice sheets covered much of North America and Europe. The earth is a lot stronger than people. The earth will be around long after we're gone.
- 3,000 Sea Robots Reveal Ocean Temperatures Cooling
This NPR article reveals the finding by a NASA research project which tends to counter our modern day prophet of global catastrophe. What inconvenient truth will we learn next? - Scientist Point Out Fallacies of Global Warming Claims
The title of this link pretty much explains it all.
funride says:
2 years ago
Well, I think the problem it´s not about carbon dioxide (CO2) but more about carbon monoxide (CO), this one it´s produce by our cars and other carbon based fuel combustion vehicles and it´s not degraded by trees or other green plants. As I understand the planet´s cooling will happen just after the global warming due to changes on ocean corrents which will break the weather equilibrium as we know it and the ice will grow terrain into the south. Of course this problem will only affect future generations and we will probably just feel that each year the summers are getting warmer (I suppose we already feel that right now). I really wish they were wrong... :-(