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By octaviaslady


Choosing Fish

It doesn't matter if you're new to the pet fish world or an old hat starting up a new tank, the biggest decision you need to make is which kind of fish to keep. If you want to keep salt water fish, look elsewhere, but for those of you who are interested in freshwater tropical fish, you've come to the right hub!

The first important thing to think about is whether you want a community tank, a goldfish tank, a species specific tank or a cichlid tank. Community tanks have the advantage of being diverse, but you have to be careful to keep agressive fish out of them as they can devistate a tank. Goldfish tanks can be a bit more agressive, but they really do best with their own kind, especially if they are fancy goldfish like Black Moores or Telescope Eyes. Species specific tanks are good for breeding fish like Guppies, or schooling fish like Zebra Danio's or Neon Tetras. Cichlid tanks are highly agressive and should not be combined with the other types.

A Clean 30 Gallon Goldfish Tank


Setting Up The Tank

A short note about setting up a tank. Goldfish and other fish that grow to large size usually need about 10 gallons of water per fish. Other fish typically need about one gallon per inch of fish. When you are choosing a tank and fish, it's good to keep those guidelines in mind so that you don't overstock your tank.

Also, it is necassary to allow a tank to "cycle" when it is first set up. I could cite a whole bunch of fancy speech at your about why it's needed, but all you really need to know is that your tank will take about a month to be safe for your favorite pet. You can go about cycling in two ways- one is to let the tank sit empty for a month. The other is to buy a few inexpensive, hardy fish and allow them to adjust the water. Feeder goldfish and corydorus catfish are both good candidates for tank cycling. I have found that both are hardy enough to withstand cycling water and are inexpensive enough to be easily replaced. Either way you do it, don't put your most prized, beautiful, exotic fish into the tank for at least a month after you set it up.

Also, all tanks do better with some "bottom feeder" or "tank cleaner" fish. These fish (or invertibrates) keep tank and walls cleaner so that you have to change water/scrape out the tank less frequently. Good fish to buy to keep the tank clean include corydorus catfish, plecostomas, apple snails and chinese alge eaters. A word of caution on the pleco's and chinese alge eaters: the pleco's are delicate and easily die in poor water conditions. They also are very nocturnal and it's not uncommon for them to hide all day. You should always provide a place for them to hide so that they feel safe during the day. Chinese alge eaters can be very agressive. I'd never seen that behavior until I kept one in my guppy tank two years back and it began shredding their fins. Later I looked them up online and saw that they were in fact listed as semi-agressive and did grow much larger than I originally believed. They should only be kept with other slightly agressive fish and only in larger tanks.

PookPook: A Healthy Black Moor Goldfish

Friends or Enemies?

The key to choosing fish is knowing how they will get along. There's nothing worse than watching your beloved fish chase each other to death. Here are some common fish and some recommended tank mates:

Common Goldfish- This is a semi-agressive fish. They can be kept well with carp (read, catfish-like goldfish), other goldfish, and bottom feeders. Catfish and pleco's go just fine with common goldfish. I have heard of keeping Gourami's and other semi-agressive fish with goldfish, though I have not tried it myself. Provided they are all about the same size that should work out just fine.

Fancy Goldfish- This includes fish such as the Black Moor and Telescope Eye goldfish. I really reccomend that these fish be kept by themselves. I have seen a lot of fin and eye injuries in these fish if they are kept with anything but other fancy's and a few bottom feeders. Catfish and Pleco's seem to do okay with them, but anything fast or agressive just tear up these fish unmercifully.

Tetra's, Barbs, Danio's and Other Schooling Fish- I do not include guppies or swordtails in this catagory because they are livebearers and slightly different. Good examples for this catagory are Zebra Danio's, Bala Sharks, Ghost Glass Fish, Neon Tetras, Glowlight Tetras, Rosie Barbs, and Red Eye Tetras. There are plenty of other Tetras and Barbs that fit here as well. These fish are very good to keep in a community tank and some can do okay with normal goldfish, though I don't reccomend that they be kept with fancy goldfish since the fancies often have sight issues and long fins which often get torn up by fast little fish who can see better and swim faster. Also, these fish do the best when kept in groups of five. At the very least groups of three are acceptable but their remarkable schooling behaviors are best observed when in larger groups. A few barbs can be mildly agressive so try to keep them with fish of the same or larger size.

Loaches and Knife Fish- These fish are very dissimilar though their appearance is somewhat close. Loaches can come in a variety of shapes and sizes. Some are worm-like while others can resemble freshwater clownfish. They are generally passive, quiet fish that do well in a community tank. Knife Fish, by contrast, vary widely in their temperment. A few can be passive but most are extremely agressive and will pretty much eat anything smaller than it in the tank. I've seen a friend's tank decimated by an agressive knife fish.

Angels, Paradise Fish and Gouramis- Angels and Gouramis are semi-agressive fish that do alright in community tanks with other fish their own size. Some smaller, fast fish such as streamlined tetras or danios can do well with them also because they can move out of reach quickly. Paradise Fish are similar but they have flowing fins that can easily be damaged by fish of the same agressiveness level. They can be kept with members of their own species and some bottom feeders.

Cichlids- I have less experience with cichlids and thus have less information on them. What I do know about them is that they are hyper agressive and do not make good community tank members. They should only be kept in a strictly cichlid tank. However there is a large variety of them, so if you want a diverse tank you can still keep them just make sure that you keep them with others of the same type.

Guppies and other livebearers- I have had great success with guppies in a species specific tank. They breed like crazy in a slightly dirty tank. Give the babies a few places to hide and soon a three fish tank can turn into two-dozen fish tank. Fancy guppies come in dozens of colors and are quite beautiful to watch and raise. Swordtails and some other livebearers can be hyper sensitive to water quality. If you are very careful to keep the water clean and at just the right temperature, these fish can be quite beautiful. They are fine to be kept in the same enviroment with the Tetras and Barbs.

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Sam Mcgilllivray  says:
12 months ago

hi there i'm going to change my 200L cichlid tank in to a goldfish tank soon i was wondering can i keep all will be small at the time- 3 orandas,4 fantails,2 black moors, 4 or more comets or common goldfish and 2 tinfoil barbs,2 bala sharks(already got),2 torpedo barbs and a shoal of golden or rosie barbs together if there is any problems i have a spare 60L tank for emergencies (i know this is a mix of tropical and coldwater but these tropical fish i have mentioned most web sites said they would be fine together) i would keep the water at about 76-80 degrees farinheint

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octaviaslady  says:
12 months ago

First off, I would worry about over crowding the tank. They say that gold fish need about 10 gallons per fish to reach their full size and health. While I might bend those rules a little bit, thirteen gold fish in one aprox. 55 galon tank is going to be quite crowded. The smaller fish would do just fine without the goldfish. My family has about five schools of small barbs and tetras as well as a pair of Bala Sharks, and a pair of Angel Fish living happily in a 55 gallon tank. The combination you mentioned would be fine without the goldfish.

The Orandas, fantails and black moors would probably do well together. The common gold fish and barbs would tear them apart if they are in the same tank. As I cautioned in the hub, faster, smaller fish will do a lot of damage to the flowing fins of slower moving fancy goldfish. The common gold fish would probably be fine with the others, but should definately be kept away from the fancies as well. My now husband, then boyfriend, tried to keep his black moor and celestial eye gold fish with a normal coy and comet goldfish. The black moor was repeatedly beaten up until we got rid of the comet goldfish. The celestial eye was killed before we gave the coy to a friend with a pond.

Hope that advice helps! It sounds like you will have a nice tank once you have it up and running.

Nhadziso K  says:
11 months ago

l want to get two redcap orandas(and hoping to breed them) what size tank do l need ?

BNK  says:
11 months ago

l want to get two redcap orandas(and hoping to breed them) what size tank do l need in litres and gallons ?

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octaviaslady  says:
11 months ago

I found a few good sites about goldfish breeding. If you want to read up on it, here are the links:

http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/breeding.html

http://www.goldfishinfo.com/spawn.htm

Most recomendations suggest at least a 20 to 30 gallon tank. That's about 75 to 114 liters. Good luck on your goldfish breeding!

Stranger  says:
4 months ago

Hey..we just got a really big fish tank like 1 or 2 months ago so i would like to know if its safe for the fishes to live in them..and if its okay to put a red capped oranda goldfish, fantail goldfishes, a comet goldfish, pearl gouramis, swordatail fish, bala sharks and rainbow sharks together if the water is at room temperature.

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octaviaslady  says:
4 months ago

Dear Stranger:

First off, define "really big fish tank." You typically should have about one inch of fish for every gallon of water you have in the tank. So if you have a thirty gallon tank, you could AT MAXIMUM put thirty one-inch fish OR fifteen two-inch fish, etc. So make sure your tank is big enough for all the fish you want to put in it.

If you have had a solid filtering system set up for a month or two it is definitely safe for fish to be added. If, on the other hand, it's just been sitting around, I would fill up your tank, set up your filters and let it run for about a week before putting fish in there. That way the water "cycles" and doesn't immediately kill all the fish.

As for the combination of fish you are thinking of, let me say it is a VERY bad idea to put any fan tailed fish, let alone a slow fish like a gold fish, with fast, aggressive ones like bala sharks or gouramis. The swordtails are also much faster than the gold fish and, while they don't tend to be very aggressive, they may still pose a threat to your slower goldfish. The oranda and fantail will be just fine together, but even a comet gold fish may have a tendency to shred flowing fins. If you took the fish you suggested and put them into two separate tanks, you'd probably be okay. The fantails and oranda would be good in one tank and the gouramis, swordtails and sharks would be cool together in the other as long as you bought them all at about the same size. Remember, gouramis are VERY aggressive as they get larger and I've seen some huge bala sharks get nasty as well, so make sure when you buy fish that they are all around the same size.

Good luck with your new fishtank!

ally  says:
3 months ago

just a quick question, i was recently given a 29 gallon tank, along with a pictus catfish, 2 dwarf gouramis and 2 bala sharks. what would be a few other types of fish i can put in with them?

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octaviaslady  says:
3 months ago

The first thing to remember about your tank is that there is limited space. Gouramis, even dwarf ones, often grow to at least three inches. Pictus also will reach about six inches given the space. The balas are the real problem, since most experts say they shouldn't be kept in less than a 55 gallon. They will grow, grow, grow if you give them the room.

Because all of these fish are semi-aggressive fish, it is very important that you put in fish of the same size and aggression. If they are of comparable size, angel fish and pearl gouramis may work. Keep your number down to a minimum, though, since your tank isn't really big. If you want to go for smaller and flashier instead, try some tiger barbs. They're pretty, aggressive and like to school which is always fun. I would only stock one new kind of fish, though, with such a small tank.

ally  says:
3 months ago

would a blue gourami be ok to put in the tank? or maybe a couple of swordtails? im seriously thinking about rehoming the balas, and am curoius as to what would go with the dwarf gourami and the pictus.....

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octaviaslady  says:
3 months ago

a blue gourami should be okay. Sword tails might get their pretty fins nipped, though. Both pictus and gourami are notorious for chewing up other fish's fins. Most kinds of barbs would be okay. Zebra or Giant Danio's may also be fast and aggressive enough to get along. Hope that helps!

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