How We Got into Debt

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By maggs224


four into one

This is the four of us that one wage packet had to support
This is the four of us that one wage packet had to support
My mum and brother with my daughter and daft dog Henry
My mum and brother with my daughter and daft dog Henry

How does getting into debt begin

It is amazing how easy it is to get into debt, it doesn’t happen over night but once it starts happening things seem to go into a downward spiral making it difficult to turn things around.

It was the early 1970s and my husband Malc and I had gone in two short years from two people and a daft dog called Henry living on two wage packets to two adults, two children, a daft dog called Henry and a mortgage living on one wage packet. Instead of two into two it was now four plus a dog into one and so began our decline into debt. Just after our daughter was born in 1973 we started to look for a new house as the house we lived in had only two bedrooms and we wanted one with at least three bedrooms. We sold our first home and bought the one that we were to live in for the next thirty years. We had to move out of the city as we could not afford a three-bedroom house in the city but in the smaller market town of Mansfield, which was fifteen miles from Nottingham; houses were cheaper than the city. After much searching we found the house that we fell in love with at first sight we put down the biggest deposit we could and we got the biggest mortgage we could.

How Malc managed to convince the mortgage lender that we could afford the mortgage repayments I still don’t know as these were the days when lending was still done responsibly. I think that maybe it was the fact that we had put down a large deposit that came from the profit on the sale of our first home that got us the mortgage. We started off just about able to break even at this point we had one child but within the year our second child was born so our expenses went up quite a bit. What followed next was a series of mortgage interest increases that put us into the start of our troubles. When we took out our mortgage the interest rate was about 7% it was to rise over time to a staggering 14% unfortunately our income did not rise to match this.


Toddlers

Malc and I with our two toddlers
Malc and I with our two toddlers

From Babies to Toddlers

In the next two years the children had gone from babies to toddlers who need new clothes and shoes it seemed almost continually as they seem to grow and change as toddlers do at an extremely fast rate. Our first child was a girl and our second child was a boy, some things our son could wear after his sister had grown out of them but many things he could not as they were not suitable for a boy to wear. It was during this time that things started to go really wrong. We continually had more month than we did money and with two very young children I was tied to the home and there was no way I could earn any money to help out so the burden was left wholly on my husband. Bless him he did his best, he did overtime when it was available but we began to start the month on pay-day when all our debts had been paid already out of money for the coming month. It got so bad that we had a letter from our Bank Manager saying that they wanted to go back to the old arrangement where we banked with them rather than them banking with us. The letter was amusingly written but the bank manager was deadly serious and he was telling us that starting each month off in debt and going overdrawn at the bank had to stop.


Store Credit Cards

Because it was so easy the number of store cards we had increased
Because it was so easy the number of store cards we had increased
The stores were more than glad to accept their own store credit cards.
The stores were more than glad to accept their own store credit cards.
When we asked can we have a store credit card we always got the thumbs up
When we asked can we have a store credit card we always got the thumbs up

Store cards

How had we got to this point? It started off when we had needs that we had to meet and no money to meet them. When the children grew out of their shoes, even though the shoes had plenty of wear left in them they still had to have new ones. Not having the money to go to the shop and buy a new pair of shoes we got a store credit card from the Co-op with this card we could purchase things in the Co-op now and pay off the debt by instalments this seemed to be the answer to our prayers.

Our Co-op was a large department store that sold everything that a family could need, from food to clothing, to electrical items, from shoes to furniture and everything in between. How easy was it to get store credit cards in our dire financial condition? It was dangerously easy, we were never refused one all we had to do was fill in a form. The good thing or so it seemed at the time was that the necessary repayments were small, but what we didn’t think about was that it also took a long time to pay the amount off. Another thing that we didn’t take into account was the fact that when you pay off the minimum allowed you barely cover the interest due which leaves the sum borrowed hardly touched at all.

Malc worked in an office type environment so he had to have decent clothes for work so again a store card came to our rescue and we got a Peter Brown store card. Peter Brown was a men’s tailors so any shirts, ties, suits or jackets that Malc needed for work we got from Peter Browns. The repayments on this card were also only small and spread out over a long period of time. We also got a credit card so that we could buy in an emergency from other shops and of course there were to be some emergency purchases.

At first keeping up the repayments was easy

At first it was fine and we managed to repay the small amounts on each card but of course what would happen is that before the item was paid off we needed to buy more and even small repayments start to add up. What we found happening was that we were still paying for items long after the kids had grown out of them.

As a result of this we had no disposable income at all; every penny was already spent before it came into our hands. This in turn meant that we had to depend on the store cards even more, no money meant as far as we could see no other choice. When we needed to buy new clothes or shoes, which with two young children was quite often the only way to get them was on one of the cards that we had.


Name Brand Goods

Start-rite Shoes
Start-rite Shoes
Clarks shoes
Clarks shoes

Name Brand Goods

One of the things about stores big enough to offer their own store credit cards is that they often stock named brand goods. If I were to buy a pair of shoes for one of the children from one of the cheaper shoe shops or off the local market I would probably have to pay around £5 a pair. However, when I bought from the Co-op they had Start-rite shoes and Clarks, which started at around £20 a pair.

There is no doubt that these were very good shoes and the children’s feet were measured properly for their shoes and then the sales person fitted them and checked the fitting. No doubt either that the quality of the shoes were well worth the price it was just that at that time I could not afford to pay that sort of money for shoes that they would grow out of in less than six months.

If I bought Jeans on the market I would pay around £3 for them but in the Co-op they only stocked Wrangler and Lee Cooper which retailed at around £12 which was a phenomenal price for children’s Jeans, they were almost the same price as the adults.


A Stupid thing to do

I remember one time we had gone out only to get a pair of jeans for our son. However, we ended up with wrangler Jeans and a wrangler jacket for our son and also the same for our daughter and also a pair of jeans for Malc. If I had got £3 cash in my purse that day then I could have got a pair of no name Jeans off the market. Because I didn’t have £3 cash we went to buy the Jeans on the card and instead of spending only £3 we ended up spending over £50 that we didn’t have.

We had thrown caution to the wind we were already drowning and in a weird way this aberration had given us some momentary relief. Of course it was a stupid thing to do and of course the exhilaration of spending that money didn’t last long as soon as the next Co-op bill for the shop card came in the increased payments brought us back sown to earth with an almighty bump.


'What the Hell'

We also encountered a strange phenomenon that when we started to get into real trouble and the debt started to really mount up we would often be overtaken by the mind set of ‘what the hell.’  This what the hell mindset meant that we were already out of our depth with this so what difference will that one more purchase make in the grand scheme of things?

This sort of thinking strangely threw us right over the top, sense and reason seemed to fly out of the window and a sort of resentful rebellion seemed to take hold of us. We didn’t want to be in this position we didn’t want to get further in debt but no matter how hard we tried or how many things we cut back on we still ended up getting further and further in debt. It all seemed so unfair, so many of the things that were happening to us seemed out of our control, no matter how hard Malc worked some one else had first claim on his money.


Drowning in a Sea of Debt

I was Drowning in a Sea of Debt
I was Drowning in a Sea of Debt

We were lost in a sea of debt we were from a working class background where people were use to only having enough money to live on. Neither of our families had a bank account which was not strange as they had nothing to put into a bank and the jobs they did they got wages for which they were paid in cash either every Friday or every other Friday. Only those who had a career had a salary and a bank account and those who had jobs just got wages. We had a bank account because we had a mortgage, which my family could not and did not understand why we had wanted to saddle ourselves with such a millstone around our necks for the next twenty-five years of our lives in the first place.


Trapped

Trapped With No Way Out
Trapped With No Way Out
The burden no matter what we did never got any lighter it only grew
The burden no matter what we did never got any lighter it only grew

No Way Out?

We had dug this hole all on our own and so we would have to get out of it all on our own. There is a saying that my folks used quite a lot, and that was ‘you’ve made your bed now you must lay on it’. What this amounted to is where you are is the result of your own actions and you are the one that will have to pay the consequences of those actions. Even if they wanted to help us out of our troubles our families couldn't because they didn’t have the means to do that.

Even when we managed to not purchase anything new because we were still only paying the minimum allowed on each card, which we had no choice about this because we had no money with which to do otherwise and the sum that we owed never seemed to go down by very much. In effect what was happening was that we had only paid the interest due and the debt itself had only been reduced by pennies instead of pounds.

Even after paying off the different cards for many months we still owed nearly as much as we had originally and with each new purchase that amount grew. There seemed no way out we just didn’t know what to do next. How did we get out of this fix? Well that will be the subject of another hub.

The follow up to this hub

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fortunerep profile image

fortunerep  says:
5 months ago

It happens to the best of us!

dori

maggs224 profile image

maggs224  says:
5 months ago

fortunerep boy are you quick I have only just posted this and I was just putting the finishing touches to it. Thanks for the comment and yes it do happen to the best of us and if only it was as easy to get back out of as it was to get in.

alekhouse profile image

alekhouse  says:
5 months ago

Wow I can really relate to this vicious cycle. Looking forward to the next "get out of debt" hub. Thanks, Maggs

Candie V profile image

Candie V  says:
5 months ago

I have the "been there, done that, WHAT THE HELL" T-shirt (I may have even used the store card to get it!) Scary place to be and a bold hub to write - but I admire these things about you!

Give your daft dog Harry a little smirk for me and a good ear scruffle! Love ya Maggs!

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

Alekhouse you hit the nail right on the head it is a vicious cycle. Hopefully you won't have to wait long for the next hub. Thanks for your comment

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

Candie your quick wit and sense of humour really crack me up (that is a compliment by the way just in case you don't understand the saying)I especially loved the bit 'I may have even used the store card to get it!' you are so funny.

As for our daft dog Henry he has gone where the good doggies go, our present daft dog is Zac so I'll give him the ear scuffle from you shall I?

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KCC Big Country  says:
5 months ago

Who hasn't been there? This a hub many many many people can relate to. Thanks for sharing.

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

KCC Though this happened many years ago to us I think unfortunately that the same still happens today for many of the same reasons.

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RNMSN  says:
5 months ago

oh yes have we been here!! here I am and only a mortgage and my dentist carecredit card but as you say/man is that ever another hub!! and I still hold my breath too/I love so love JC Penney!!!

hey maggs, wonder if theres an addicted to cards support thingy like AA ? ATC hmmm too close to ATM the members would all cave way too soon :)

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

rnmsn I bet there is as there are clubs for just about everything these days lol you are so funny thanks for reading this and leaving a comment.

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TJ Daniels  says:
5 months ago

Maggie, like the others, I've 'been there, done that'. Sorry to say, but after the wife and I devorced, I was able to start saving money. Whenever we discussed saving, she always said; 'When the money's all spent, there's nothing left to save'. DUH!! You just cannot compete with logic like that. Daniel

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

Unfortunately we normal people with normal jobs and lives this sort of trouble seems to be par for the course. It is an unusual family that agree on evey thing and have enough money left at the end of the month to save when they first start off their family life. Glad to say though most families survive and get all the stronger for having gone through it. Look at you saving now!

Erick Smart  says:
5 months ago

For some it is a large event such as an illness that insurance will not cover while for others it is a slow process. One day the couple just realizes that they are too far in debt to get out without some help. Those it has not happened to do not understand but it can happen to anyone.

Pam Field  says:
5 months ago

What you write about we have experienced. Hindsight would be wonderful. Somehow we have been lucky and have come out the other side.

We were lucky to have had jobs.. what for those who didn't?

And getting the kids through uni etc etc....

I remember my Dad, saying he was sad all his Dad could look forward to was winning the Pools,then my Dad too, and now we have a generation hoping for the Lottery win!

Look forward to hearing the next hub. Well written!

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

Erick you are right an unforeseen event can change the course of your life and it does not matter how well you have planned your life I believe we are all just one step away from things that we sometimes judge others for. Like the old saying goes 'There but for the grace of God go I.' Thanks for commenting

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maggs224  says:
5 months ago

Pam thanks for your comments, I remember when I was working back in the UK lots of people on benefits would spend quite large portions of their benefit trying to get a win either on scratch cards or the lottery Their money was precious little in the first place and they could ill afford to lose what they lost. . It always seems so wrong that the poorest who can least afford it are the ones that fill the pockets of the fat cats of this world. Everything costs more when you are poor

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TamCor  says:
2 months ago

Gosh, I can't believe I missed this hub when you first posted it. Your story was like reading a chapter from our own marriage, it was so eery how your early days paralleled ours, even down the shoe purchases...

Thank you, maggs, for putting this out there--I think it's really important for others who may be going through this, to realize that they definitely aren't alone!

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maggs224  says:
2 months ago

Hi Tammy yes it is a bit spooky how much we have in common thanks for reading the hub and leaving such kind and encouraging comments. Tom's latest story is another winner what a fabulous story teller he is.

lxxy profile image

lxxy  says:
6 weeks ago

Maggs,

Leaves me wanting more. I am happy to know you and your family survived the tough times, and I appreciate this little insight.

Thrifty happens to be my middle name, but I'm none too hard to please. Only thing I generally consume is electrons. ;)

I'll be reading part two as I can, can't wait!

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maggs224  says:
6 weeks ago

Ixxy it is always a delight to see your name pop up I am glad you enjoyed reading part one and I hope you enjoy part two.

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