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By Judah's Daughter



True, False, or Assumed?

What have YOU been taught about Lucifer? I was taught he was the highest archangel in heaven that wanted to take over God’s throne. He was the leader of music, as instruments were built into his very being. I was taught that he caused a war in heaven and was cast out with a third of the angels with him. When he and his angels fell to earth, he became the Devil or Satan. This must have happened before Adam and Eve were created, as Lucifer was also the Serpent that deceived them in the Garden of Eden.

When I read somewhere that some people don’t believe Lucifer is Satan, I set out to prove he is. How? By studying the Bible, like I do whenever I have a question (or when someone else has a question I wish to knowledgably answer). You might be surprised at what I found out. It does not appear that what I was taught is correct.

I carefully looked up and read all the passages churches use to claim this traditional teaching. I have typed them here for you to carefully read also. You will see that Lucifer cannot be the same entity as Satan himself!


Was Satan an Angel?

Let’s start out with the war in heaven. I couldn't believe it when I recently read a hub that taught Michael, the Archangel was the one who caused the revolt in heaven! Though I corrected him, he still chooses to teach falsely! Amazing! Let's read about this war and see literally what the Bible says: the only account of this is found in Revelation 12:3-4a “And another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.” Now go on to verses 7-8 “And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” So, it's obvious that Michael is not a fallen angel, let alone the devil. Now, let's look at what the Bible says about this serpent in the Garden of Eden:

Genesis 3:1 “Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, ‘Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"

Cross-reference this with Genesis 2:19 “Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.”

Serpent is the Hebrew word nachash (naw-khawsh'); a snake (from its hiss):-serpent.

So far, we see the DRAGON waged war in heaven, not an angel. We also see that the SERPENT was a created beast of the field. What we don't see here is any inclination that Satan was an archangel by the name of Lucifer who led all the music in heaven. That would be contrary to scripture, for Satan is never said to have been an angel "from the beginning". Let’s see what the Bible says about Satan:

John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Dragon is the Greek word drakon (drak'-own); prob. from an alt. form of derkomai (to look); a fabulous kind of serpent (perh. as supposed to fascinate):-serpent. In fact, if you study the book of Revelation, this dragon with seven heads and ten horns is Satan, who rises up out of the “sea” of peoples, nations, tribes and tongues. Seven kingdoms with ten kings.

If you cross-reference the word "dragon" in Revelation, you will be brought to Psalm 74:14: “Thou didst crush the heads of Leviathan”. For a pretty graphic description of this dragon, read Job 41!

Speaking of "crushing heads", what was the curse on the "Serpent" in Genesis 3:15? "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

We're about to go on focusing on Lucifer, but I wanted to let you know I have two more hubs about Satan and his purpose of battling for your soul: "Satan's PURPOSE": http://hubpages.com/hub/Satans-PURPOSE and "The Battle for Your SOUL": http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Battle-for-your-SOUL.


Fallen Angels: Kings of the Earth

Was Lucifer in the Garden of Eden? Was he the serpent? Let’s look at the only passage used by traditional doctrine:

Ezekiel 28:12-16 “Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, ‘You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. On the day that you were created They were prepared. You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you. By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.”

I don't see Lucifer mentioned here at all. In fact, it would be the "king of Tyre". I don't see an archangel mentioned here either, but rather a cherub. Did God place cherubim in the Garden of Eden? Yes.

Genesis 3:24 confirms, “So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.”

The only passage that mentions the name Lucifer is found in Isaiah 14:11-17 “Your pomp and the music of your harps Have been brought down to Sheol; Maggots are spread out as your bed beneath you And worms are your covering.' How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer (star of the morning), son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! But you said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit. Those who see you will gaze at you, They will ponder over you, saying, 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, Who made the world like a wilderness And overthrew its cities, Who did not allow his prisoners to go home?'”

In order to know who Lucifer is, we must go to the beginning of Isaiah 14:3-4 “And it will be in the day when the LORD gives you rest from your pain and turmoil and harsh service in which you have been enslaved, that you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, and say, "How the oppressor has ceased, And how fury has ceased!”

Obviously, we see that the cherub, the king of Tyre, has the same make-up as Lucifer, the king of Babylon. The king of Tyre is said to have “tabrets and pipes”, whereas the king of Babylon is said to have “music of harps”. Are they one in the same? It doesn’t appear so, if you look at Ezekiel 29:18 “Son of man, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon made his army labor hard against Tyre; every head was made bald and every shoulder was rubbed bare. But he and his army had no wages from Tyre for the labor that he had performed against it."

It is reasonable to deduct that these fallen cherubim were both the king of Tyre and the king of Babylon (Lucifer).


Cherubim (four wings)
Cherubim (four wings)
Seraphim (six wings)
Seraphim (six wings)
Archangel: Michael
Archangel: Michael

Compare the Angels

We can reasonably deduct that the king of Tyre and the king of Babylon (Lucifer) are cherubim (instruments built into their beings based on scripture). Is a cherub a serpent-like creature? No. Is there an angelic being that resembles a serpent? Yes; the seraphim. How about an archangel? No. Let's look up some scripture about each of these angelic beings:

Ezekiel 10:20-21 “These are the living beings that I saw beneath the God of Israel by the river Chebar; so I knew that they were cherubim. Each one had four faces and each one four wings, and beneath their wings was the form of human hands.”

Cherub is the Hebrew word keruwb (ker-oob'); of uncert. der.; a cherub or imaginary figure:-cherub, [plur.] cherubim(s).

Isaiah 6:2 states, “Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew." Now, seraphim are defined as the only serpent-like creatures; however, the Bible does not state that seraphim were in the Garden of Eden.

Seraphim is the Hebrew word saraph (saw-rawf'); burning, i.e. (fig.) poisonous (serpent); spec. a saraph or symbol. creature (from their copper color):-fiery (serpent), seraph.

The word “archangel” is only used twice in the Bible: once in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, when Jesus returns with “the voice of the archangel”; the other is found in Jude 1:9 “But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, ‘The Lord rebuke you!’” We also don’t see an archangel in the Garden of Eden.

Archangel is the Greek word archaggelos (ar-khang'-el-os); a chief angel:-archangel.

In the Old Testament, the word angel is the Hebrew word malak (mal-awk'); from an unused root mean. to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; spec. of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):-ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

In the New Testament, the word angel is the Greek word aggelos (ang'-el-os); to bring tidings; a messenger; esp. an "angel", by impl. a pastor:-angel, messenger.


Fallen Cherub? Abaddon/Apollyon
Fallen Cherub? Abaddon/Apollyon

A Fallen Angel: King of Sheol (Hades/Hell/Abyss)

We read that Lucifer was the king of Babylon, a fallen cherub just like the king of Tyre. The king of Tyre was in the Garden of Eden, cast out as “profane from the mountain of God”. The king of Babylon (Lucifer) was “brought down or thrust down to Sheol, to the recesses of the pit”. Is there a king in Sheol who is also an angelic being? YES.

Revelation 9:11 “The king who ruled them was the angel from the bottomless pit (also called the abyss). In Hebrew he is called Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.” Abbadon/Apollyon means destruction (perdition).

Revelation 11:7 (Regarding the two witnesses) “And when they have finished their testimony, the beast (Antichrist) that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.”

Revelation 17:8 “The beast (Antichrist) that you saw was and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth will wonder, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.”

Earlier in Isaiah 14:13-17 we read that the king of Babylon (Lucifer) weakened the nations and said in his heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.' Nevertheless he was thrust down to Sheol, To the recesses of the pit. Those who see him will gaze at him, They will ponder over him, saying, 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms, Who made the world like a wilderness And overthrew its cities…”

Cross-reference this with the prophecies of the Antichrist to come in Daniel 7:25 “He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.” And also cross-reference with Daniel 11:36 “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.” If you begin reading in verse 28, you will see that Daniel is speaking of the “king of the North”.

It appears now, that Lucifer is indeed a fallen angel, the king of the bottomless pit, who comes up out of that pit to be the king of end-time Babylon, the Antichrist. Lucifer was called “a man”. Did angels come in the form of men in the Bible? Absolutely (Genesis 19:1, 5; Luke 24:4). We already confirmed that fallen angels are kings of the earth.  In fact, if you look at the definition of the word "angel" in the previous section, you will see they are not only kings, but can be prophets, priests, teachers and pastors!

The Dragon (Satan) and Lucifer (the Antichrist) cannot be the same entity. Why? Because the Antichrist and the False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire at the beginning of the millennial reign of Christ (Revelation 19:20). Satan, on the other hand, is bound in the bottomless pit during this reign of Christ. He is released after the millennial reign, destroyed, then cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10).


Six Doctrinal Corrections:

So now, let’s answer the following questions, based on this study:

1. Lucifer was the highest archangel in heaven.

  • False. It appears he was a cherub.

2. Lucifer wanted to take over God’s throne.

  • True. He is the king of Babylon, the king of the North, the prophesied Antichrist in Daniel 11:36 & Isaiah 14:13.

3. Lucifer was the leader of music in heaven, as instruments were built into his very being.

  • Assumed. He appears to be a cherub with musical instrument(s) built into his being. So was the king of Tyre.

4. Lucifer caused a war in heaven and was cast out with a third of the angels.

  • False. The Dragon, who is the “Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan” warred in heaven and he was cast out with a third of the angels.

5. Lucifer became the Devil or Satan.

  • False. Because Lucifer is the king of Babylon and the prophesied Antichrist, he is cast into the Lake of Fire at the beginning of the millennial reign of Christ; while on the other hand, Satan is bound in the pit until the end of the millennial reign.

6. Lucifer was the Serpent in the Garden of Eden.

  • False. The Dragon possessed the created serpent, a beast of the field, to entice Eve into sinning. Furthermore, because the cherub placed in the Garden of Eden appears to be the king of Tyre, it is unknown as to whether Lucifer (the king of Babylon) was in the Garden of Eden at all.

The only scripture that would tie Lucifer and Satan together is found in 2 Corinthians 11:14 “No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” The name Lucifer, as we saw in Isaiah 14:12 means “morning star”. Speaking of “Antichrist”, Jesus Christ is also called the “bright and morning star” in Revelation 22:16.

Truly, the LORD guised (not disguised) Himself as an angelic being (a man) to Abraham (along with the two angels that went to rescue Lot) in Genesis 18. Likewise, Satan will disguise himself as an “angel of light” by empowering Lucifer, the Antichrist (Revelation 13:2).

For more information on Satan and Lucifer, I invite you to read my hub, “Lucifer: The spirit of Antichrist”: http://hubpages.com/hub/LUCIFER-The-spirit-of-Antichrist and “The Unholy Trinity”: http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Unholy-Trinity

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"Quill"  says:
6 weeks ago

What a great Hub...very informative and as always captivating and filled with awesome research material. Thank You for yet another "Wow Hub"...

Blessings

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Judah's Daughter  says:
6 weeks ago

Quill ~ Bless you heart! Thank you for reading and confirming, as well as for the very encouraging comment. It's easy to test other doctrines, but in doing so, we sometimes end up testing our own "traditional" teaching. We're either all FOR the Word, or we accept "tradition". I just thought I would shed some more "light" on the subject. I appreciate you so much. God bless you!

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quietnessandtrust  says:
6 weeks ago

Wait just a moment here JD...

Angels certainly DO have tails...

they are called dogs. LOL!!!

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Judah's Daughter  says:
6 weeks ago

Thanks for the humor, Mr. Q :-)

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quietnessandtrust  says:
6 weeks ago

You must have one to know it. =:-[}

Take care.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
6 weeks ago

"All dogs go to heaven" (bark, bark)

no body  says:
5 weeks ago

I'm glad you debunked some of the "doctrines" about Lucifer that people just assume are true. I know you love the Lord with your whole heart and always try to use Scripture to the glory of God. You are an example of that with your love of Scripture and of God. You are an example to me my sister and I love you with my whole heart.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Praise the Lord, brother no body. I just kind of cringe when I see so many ministers continue to teach this doctrine in error. While the unlearned don't know any better, and it really doesn't matter to salvation, it causes the learned to doubt the absolute truthful guidance of ministers who really haven't noticed this, and even when they are challenged, they do not change their teaching. Isn't this the problem we have in witnessing to the lost? One believer told me I was greatly deceived and stopped talking to me? Of course, she didn't prove Lucifer is the Devil; she just went on her "feelings" or "opinion". That's terrible! I am open to anyone "debunking" what is written here scripturally, which, even on my forum on this topic, no one was able to. I appreciate your love and encouragement. I keep on keeping on...in His love and in His Name. Amen!

Robert E. Barger  says:
5 weeks ago

Hello,

I have another thought to consider. I believe that Lucifer was, and is, a creation of Satan. As we look at Genesis 3 Adam and Eve were without sin "till" Satan talked Eve into being as God. Again Jesus told the Pharisees that they were of thier father the devil. Again in 2 Thessilonians 2 "that Wicked one" whos working is AFTER the working of Satan. And in Isaiah 14 it calls Lucifer "a man" that caused them to fear. And as it evplains in Romans 8 the carnal man and the Spiritual man. The carnal man is created after the working of Satan where the spiritrual man is created as God through Christ. Thats what I believe.

Brother Bob (Bless you in Jesus name)

andy  says:
5 weeks ago

Judah’s Daughter,

Interesting subject, can’t expect a few postings to be exhaustive, was surprised though that Job’s situation was basically ignored in your writing. In Job the meeting between good and evil seems to have been on a legal level, with the Lord being Judge, Job being defendant on trial with a heavy duty prosecuting attorney who played the dual role of police entrapment. With the question being how is it possible for evil to have access to the Lord in such a seemingly intimate way as a court room setting? Is it possible that the prosecuting attorney is someone other than who we are led to believe? And where exactly does the prosecutor of this particular case get his?

Andy

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Brother Bob, "after the working of Satan" and "created after the working of Satan" are two different things. The former is scriptural; the latter is assumed. God created all things, even the Dragon. The Dragon or Satan is called the one "who deceives the whole world". Satan deceives God's creations, including the third of the stars (angels) that fell from heaven, and also mankind. While I appreciate your interpretation, it would not be consistent with Romans 11:36; Eph 3:9; Col 1:16; Heb 3:4; Rev 4:11 and so many other scriptures that clearly state that God created ALL THINGS. God bless you, brother. I appreciate your contribution and love of our Lord.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Andy, while Satan was given the authority to be "the god of this world", he only has authority over unbelievers (fallen man) and is called their "father the devil". Adam and Eve were first given all dominion over the earth, but they gave it to Satan (fallen man). It is through the accepted reconciliation of Jesus Christ that man gives the authority over his/her life back to Christ.

In the spiritual realm, God has authority over all evil and prior to Christ, God's righteous ones (those who lived by faith as Abraham), including Job, were under His authority. Satan cannot touch God's kids without His divine approval. However, Satan has free reign over the lost. God allows Satan to roam and attack, in order that these trials will bring the lost to God's protection and salvation, thus fulfilling God's divine purpose.

Andy  says:
5 weeks ago

Judah’s Daughter,

You bring up another good point in the story of Job and that is—who was Job. A child of God- certainly. A child of Jacob- most likely not, (if true then we can say that we have a non-Isrealite on trial for something that he did not do).

Andy

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Andy, if you read the entire account of Job, you will see Job was innocent and was not "on trial", as his "religious accusers" insinuated. Satan insisted Job would curse God if things got bleak for him, and God knew Job would not, and proved it. After this, Job received far more than he lost, because he did remain true to his faith in God. Likewise, we also must know that when trials come our way, it is to test our faith and because we stand firm, great is our reward!

Andy  says:
5 weeks ago

Judah’s Daughter,

Your last to me is most interesting, (could go off in multiple direction but choosing to stay with Job for now).

Let us say for the sake of our discussion that you are right about Job not being on trial but only that he had “religious accusers”.

In your response “religious accusers” is in the plural which leads me to think that you are identifying Jobs “friends” that appear later in Job’s story. I on the other hand was responding to the subject in your original posting. So “religious accuser” from me is singular and this person appears at the beginning of Job’s story.

Instead of using the term “religious accusers” would it be proper to use another term such as “adversary”? Job had an “adversary”. And this “adversary”, you use the term “religious accusers” may or may not be the subject of your original post. Is this something that we would want to find out? If so then we can continue our cordial discussion. If not then we can leave it. But I am interested in your original subject and not so willing to change subjects, (but I will).

Andy

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Andy, Job 2:1 "There was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD..." The "sons of God", when translated appears to be the Jews (studying the word "son"), as they would "present themselves before the LORD". However, some believe these are the fallen angels, with Satan among them. The fallen angels are also called "sons of God" in other Biblical accounts.

The Accuser is Satan, and those who are of him do the same (fallen angels and man). Jesus told the Jewish leaders (as applicable) "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father." (John 8:44), so all who accuse falsely are not of God in this account of Job.

Jesus indeed called the Jews "accusers", even in John 8:10 "When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?" This woman was going to be stoned according to Jewish Law, the Law of Moses.

Not sure why you're needing clarification of this, but all to God's glory :-) Be blessed.

Andy  says:
5 weeks ago

Judah’s Daughter,

Just wanting to be sure that I am on the same page as you are.

Depending on when the story of Job took place, it may be impossible to translate, “sons of God” in Job’s story as Israelites since the story could very well predate Jacob.

I think that you have now answered my first question which was-how evil can have an intimate discussion with the Lord. And that answer is that Satan has allies. These allies (men for example) of evil seem to be able to go into God’s presence in opposition to God’s children.

Andy

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Amen, Andy. I don't know about when Job was born, just that he was a child of God and the "religious" ones seemed to accuse him "that he must have sinned", etc. for the calamity that befell him. Abraham certainly was the Father of Israel, for he begat Isaac, who begat Jacob (renamed Israel) who begat the tribes of Israel. And yes, it appears that not only Satan accuses us before God day and night (Rev 12:10), but his children as well. God bless you, brother!

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Royal Diadem  says:
5 weeks ago

Great Pictures! fits right in.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
5 weeks ago

Yes, I love google images ~ you can find some really neat stuff on there :-) God bless you, Sister Royal :-)

JGelineau  says:
4 weeks ago

If angels are more spirit than physical, what makes you assume that they cannot appear in a different form?

Perhaps Lucifer took the form of a dragon for the great battle. We picture them with wings, but do they really have wings? And when they appear to people in the form of a human, maybe they're just taking our form so as not to frighten us.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
4 weeks ago

JGelineau, we cannot assume, and in this hub assumption is not made, but rather the Word is taken literally. We must look at Bible examples to show us that angels took the form of humans, and obviously Satan is called the dragon, the serpent of old and the devil. Because the serpent was a created "beast of the field", we can conclude that Satan used this snake to tempt Eve. The Bible doesn't say an angel took the form of a dragon, so we cannot assume this. Good question! :-)

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4 weeks ago

You state that Satan is called the dragon, but arent you saying that Satan and the dragon are two seperate beings? In your hub you mention the dragon giving Lucifer power in Revelation 13:2. Arent you making an assumption by saying that the "beast" is Lucifer? It never mentions him by name, it just says "beast."

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Judah's Daughter  says:
4 weeks ago

? says ~ The Bible states that the Dragon is also called the "Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan", so that is clear. Lucifer, as he is only mentioned once in the Bible in Isaiah 14, is the king of Babylon. I have another hub called "Lucifer: The spirit of Antichrist" that will give you even more information as to how he aligns with the coming Antichrist of the Great Tribulation. Basically, we know that Lucifer was cast down to Sheol (which is hell) and there is a king over Sheol who comes up out of that place and is the second beast or the Antichrist. Revelation states that the Dragon (Satan) gives him his power. Perhaps that will give you some more insight. God bless you :-)

thad  says:
2 weeks ago

you state that the king of babylon is lucifer which I believe to be true. Then you state he was cast down to sheol ( which is hell ). I believe if you keep in context with this being the king of baylon sheol would be translated grave. Then you state that he comes back up from that place. So the king of babylon also has the power of life to ressurect himself? Carrie what n the name of God are you spreading? This is some of the most UNscriptual stuff I have ever read in my life! I love you Carrie, so I will pray for Gods help in how I should deal with you. With love, Thaddeus Cole

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Judah's Daughter  says:
2 weeks ago

Thad, if you read this hub again, you will see that angels (cherubim) were kings (king of Tyre and king of Babylon). How could the king of Tyre be a cheribum in the Garden of Eden (as the Word clearly states), considering the flood happened long before the king of Tyre was a man? Likewise, the king of Babylon (Lucifer) was "fallen from heaven" (which happened before the flood). An angel doesn't resurrect themselves; they are eternal.

There is a king over Sheol (Hades/Hell) who will also come up out of that abyss (Sheol/Hades/Hell) and be the king of end-time Babylon, in which case appears to be Lucifer. It is not unscriptural, as that's all I use in this hub ~ scripture. For more on the obvious alignment of Lucifer and the coming Antichrist (king of end-time Babylon), I invite you to also read my hub called "Lucifer: The spirit of Antichrist".

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lgolden1911  says:
2 weeks ago

I appreciate your hub and your insight. I'm gonna have to read it again to make sure I don't miss anything. I scratched the surface a little bit concerning Lucifer translating into "morning star", but just assumed Lucifer and Satan were the same entities.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
2 weeks ago

Hi brother lgolden1911! Yes, this is just the results of my study, as I too was always taught that Lucifer was the Devil; except that I cannot find scriptural proof of this. Truly, the dragon and his angels are all at work on this earth. It certainly is a fact that Lucifer is a fallen angel (possibly a cherub). Even religions such as LDS believe Lucifer caused the rebellion ~ nowhere can we find this in the Bible. The only account of this rebellion is in Revelation 12 ~ and Lucifer is certainly not mentioned in this passage, nor the cross-references. The dragon does align with Leviathan, which is another fascinating study. God bless you, brother :-) I'm so glad you joined HubPages! I look forward to reading more of your hubs!!

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itakins  says:
2 weeks ago

Blessings for your defence of Michael the Archangel-I did notice that your comment was not accepted by the author-sadly-I had hoped he just made a mistake.

I did a brief defence of this great Archangel-if you would care to read it.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
2 weeks ago

Hi itakins! I'm so glad you saw that I at least attempted to correct that blasphemous false teaching! I really thought the author was a Christian ~ perhaps he is, but if so, should be testing what he's been taught, especially if Michael is God's highest of angels! I did see that you were able to state the same thing, but I'm not sure he understood what "antithesis" meant, let alone who the "dragon" was? I was sure he would post my comment, but chose not to. I am glad that readers do understand what you said in your comments! God bless you!! Thanks for stopping by!!

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itakins  says:
2 weeks ago

Yes,I saw it just prior to it being 'denied'-in fact I went back to it to show it to a friend -and it was gone-sadly!I actually wrote a short hub immediately afterwards in defence of Archangel Michael-on my hubsite-perhaps you could have a look-it's from perspective of Christian and R/C.I would be intereted in your valued opinion.

Great hub-and well done on defending The Great Archangel Michael.

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Judah's Daughter  says:
2 weeks ago

itakins, Amen! I read your hub and am thankful you addressed this issue. Does he not feel the least bit of responsibility for misleading readers that don't know any better? While I'm not R/C, I love our Lord as you do and we will defend His angels as they defend God's children!! God bless you!

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