Jesus Christ IS the TRUE lucifer (morning star, light bringer)
79Origins of the word Lucifer
Note: This hub will hopefully explain not only how Jesus is the true lucifer (lower case to refer not to a proper name), but also how the 'Lucifer' mentioned in Isaiah is nothing more than a fraud who did not, does not, and will never truly deserve that title.
Before we begin let us figure out Lucifer means. In Latin Lucifer means “Light Bringer” and is the name of the Morning Star. The word Lucifer appears only once in the Bible and only in the KJV. Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”
But did the word Lucifer always exist? NO! In the Hebrew language, the word Lucifer is derived from the Hebrew word הילל (Hêlēl). In fact, the term Lucifer didn’t even exist in the Biblical ages! Put thought to it; Lucifer is a Latin word. (Lux = light/fire Ferre = to bear/to bring). The Old Testament was written primarily in Hebrew, so the word Lucifer could not have been in their language. So, then if the word were not amongst them at that time, then who gave us that word?
In 382 AD, Pope Damasus I commissioned St. Jerome to write a revision of the old Latin translation of the Bible. This task was completed sometime during the 5th century AD, and eventually it was considered the official and definite Latin version of the Bible according to the Roman Catholic church. By the 13th century it was considered the versio vulgate – the common translation.
It was St. Jerome who placed the word Lucifer into the Bible, and not just once, but three times! Isaiah 14:12, Job 11:17, and 2 Peter 1:19.
Isaiah 14:12 according to the Vulgate translation - Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestries
Job 11:17 - Et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam; et cum te consumptum putaveris, orieris ut lucifer.
2 Peter 1:19 - Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem : cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso donec dies elucescat, et (lucifer) oriatur in cordibus vestries
Here are these same verses in the KJV.
Isaiah 14:12 - 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Job 11:17 - 17And thine age shall be clearer than the noonday: thou shalt shine forth, thou shalt be as the morning.
2 Peter 1:19 - 19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
And the same verses in the NIV
Isaiah 14:12 – 12
How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning
star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
Job 11:17 – 17 Life will be brighter than
noonday,
and darkness will become like morning.
2 Peter 1:19 - 19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Note that the term ‘morning star’ is used throughout the New Testament and is in reference to Jesus the Christ. Keep this in mind.
The Hebrew translation had the word helel in the place of Lucifer, or rather St. Jerome replaced the word helel with Lucifer. What does helel mean? It means ‘shining one’.
‘How art fallen from Heaven, O Shining One son of the dawn.’
‘…until the day dawns and the Shining One rises in your hearts.’
And what then of the Greek translation? Helel in Greek translates into Eosphorus/Phosphorus. And in this translation the word means ‘light bearer’
‘How art fallen from Heaven, O Light Bearer, son of the dawn.’
‘…until the day dawns and the Light Bearer rises in your hearts.’
Lucifer
Jesus the Morning Star the Lucifer
Now we have also noticed that only one commonly accepted translation of the Bible keeps the word Lucifer and that is the King James Version. Even then it appears only once, and is given to a fallen being. But in reality, Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer. Remember, Morning Star, Shining One, Light Bearer. All of these terms were used by Jesus himself and his disciples.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
2 Peter 1:19 19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Ha! Then how do we explain the word Lucifer being used in Isaiah? Who is Satan? He is a being trying usurp God. Who is the Lucifer in Isaiah? If Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer, then the fallen Lucifer must be a counterfeit. If Jesus is the Christ/the Messiah, then the fallen Lucifer must be the anti-Christ/the false Messiah.
Final note: Even in numerology and Gematria the value of the names Lucifer and Jesus are the exact same.
74 and 74 (1)
222 and 222 (3)
444 and 444 (6)
And the value of Morning Star is the value of Lucifer and Jesus combined.
148
444
888
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There isn't much of a twist to the title and hub. I've always found it suspicious that the term 'Morning Star' was attributed to both Jesus, and a fallen being.
I have also heard that the passage of Isaiah 14:12 is said sardonically. The whole of chapter 14 is a taunt that God's people are to bring to the king of Babylon. I can hear it in my mind, these people of God saying "How art fallen from Heaven, O 'Helel', 'Son of the Dawn'" emphasizing the term Helel in a sarcastic way. ("Helel? Pfft, yeah right.")
Remember the word Lucifer is not in the Hebrew language. Helel is.
Correct. Helel is the antichrist, those the churches have long been taught is Lucifer (the Italian translation of his name). This taunting will indeed be against him, the King of Babylon. I believe it to be true. We won't believe he was the "man behind the curtain" as in the great and powerful Wizard of Oz! (said sarcastically, of course) :-)
Sanctus, about the title. It might be better to say Jesus Christ is the True Morning Star, as people equate the name Lucifer with evil. That's the twist I was talking about ~~ only a suggesting, but it is an eye-catcher! Great hub! I love your Bible study! You are a true disciple of Christ. AMEN.
Carrie, I chose the title so as to show that there are two lucifers. The true lucifer (morning star/shining one/light bringer) which is Jesus Christ, and the false lucifer equated with the King of Babylon and most possibly with the Anti-Christ.Thanks!
You can delete my comment; no offense intended. Jesus is never called Lucifer by name, so it just appears a bit misleading in the title, and that's only my opinion. Only trying to get you more readers and the respect you deserve. God bless ~~ and please forgive me if you felt I was criticizing with a wrong motive, as that was not my intention ~~
Carrie, you haven't offended me at all! (It's really hard to offend me actually.) And I don't do these hubs for respect, but because I enjoy writing them. (Weird, but true.) If others find something in them, then great! If not? Not a big deal.
Carrie, edited the title, and added a short note at the beginning.
Thank you for your grace, the grace of God in you, my sister. I love you in the love of the Lord!
sorry but neither is lucifer
Ambiguous, lucifer isn't a name, but a title.
celafoe, I think what you might be missing here is the point that Lucifer is the spirit of antichrist. He disguises himself as the Messiah. Revelation 22:16 states, "I have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star." Likewise, Lucifer means "morning star, son of the dawn". He indeed is empowered by the dragon/the serpent of old/the devil/Satan as the antichrist. The devil disguises himself as an angel of light, the word light is the same as Jesus is the light of the world, as commented earlier in this hub.
She's not stating that Jesus is Lucifer nor that Lucifer is Jesus. She's showing the mimicking going on by the spirit of antichrist in the world. She states that the name Lucifer is not even Hebrew and is an Italian word inserted into the text, where some texts leave it out altogether. In some Bibles, the name Lucifer does not appear at all.
I hope this helps to clarify things? Just trying to shed some understanding.
Carrie, just as a correction. I'm explaining how Jesus is the true Morning Star/Shining one (helel)/Light bearer (lux ferre). BUT that when the term Lucifer/Morning Star is mentioned in Isaiah it is in mockery.
These are the captives that are supposed to say this. There's no way that they would call the king of Babylon the "Shining one/bringer of light/morning star" There is no way that WE would call the anti-Christ "Shining one/bringer of light/morning star" unless it was with extreme sardonicism.
I hope that clears up some things.
The unbelievers may think the antichrist as a light bringer, as he will appear to be a god and exalt himself as the Most High. He will be worshiped by the deceived. And yes, those that are the redeemed of Israel (Is 14:3) will certainly taunt him because he is revealed as truly wicked in the end, which is prophesied ~ amen.
The unbelievers will think the anti-Christ is the true light bringer, yes, but the followers of God will not. So if we were to ever call the anti-Christ "Lucifer" it would need to be in mockery/said with sarcasm.
I see ~ hmmm. Because he is named in the Word, when his name is ever spoken it won't be to exalt him, but to taunt him. That would be my heart. When I see him (if I see him), I will know who he is. I wonder what his earthly name with be? I'm certain it will not be Lucifer, at least I think not!
The Bible does say that whoever has wisdom can figure out the mark of the beast for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
And the anti-Christ might not use the name Lucifer because of the evil connotations it has. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if his earthly name would be Jesus or Joshua.
I was thinking the same thing!
Okay, I did a bit of numerology (A=1 B=2 C=3 etc) Lucifer, Jesus, and Joshua all have the same sum. 74. Multiply that by 9 and you get 666.
Obviously the anti-Christ wouldn't use the name Lucifer because of it's connotations to evil. I doubt he would use the name Jesus. So that leaves the name Joshua as a stronger possibility.
I'm not sure about numerology ~ isn't that some sort of divination? (just a question).
It depends. When a number is used to rule our lives, then yes, it could be considered "bad" However, that part in Revelation 13 does say that the mark will be the number of A man's name, and that number will be 666. So how do you get that?
Back then they had a little system called gematria (the assigning of numbers to letters) which was borrowed by the Greeks from the Jews.
I see no other way that the number could be derived from a name except for this method.
I see. Some say the UPS bar code is a pattern of six numbers three times and of course, is associated with buying and selling. Researchers have been working on implantable microchips for people I think as far back as 2002 (if I recall what I read). Some think this would be the number of the beast. Even "Big Brother" is referred to as the beast by some (the main computer that keeps all our information). Interesting to wonder...
I wrote a hub about the mark of the Beast. It goes into detail about the UPC bar code, along with some other things.
Hi, Sanctus...you came to my attention in that one religious character post in the forums.... So, you're not an atheist, hmm?
I read through this, and I just want to say that the number 666, in some biblical scholars' views, is called the number of man...probably relating to the characterization of numbers, as you noted...but not to numerology. God's perfect number was characterized as 7, so that anything else would be considered imperfect. And how much more imperfect than 1 digit below the perfect number of God? And triple that--666--the number of the mark of man, or the anti-Christ. Just thought I'd introduce that alternative view of the origin of the number.
Considering that I believe in God, that a higher being is in control of everything, I believe that disqualifies me as being an atheist.
Thanks for bringing that view point up. There are several other interpretations. One states that 666 is the mark of the beast and the mark of Cain; another view states that 666 is some bizarre counterfeit of 144,000. (Evidently, when you add the sixes you get 18, and one + eight = 9. One + four + four = Nine)
I have wondered about this and had heard something alluded to how the passage in Isaiah is not reflective of Lucifer as Satan. However, the interpretation I had heard some time ago was that the passage in Isaiah was not referring to a fallen angelic being, but an actual person with the name Lucifer during the time of Isaiah and how Isaiah recorded the fall of this great person.
There's evidence that the character/person being talked about in that particular passage was king Nebukanezer.
Interesting writing but the title might confuse someone who doesn't know Jesus as the Christ or the scriptures that speak of HIm.
I would think that people would read more than the title.
I read this because of the title, and it was not about what I expected it to be by no means. I thought I would be reading about how Jesus was evil, and there was proof. I am happy to say I didn't hear what I had expected. There are many different view on the bible, some say the bible was revised by man, and some of the true meaning got led astray in the translation. I believe there is some truth to that, however I am not well versed enough in the bible to be able to tell you what got led astray by man's translation. I will need to think about all that you have said and the comments you have received a little more to be able to tell you if I believe what you say is really the way it was. Still an interesting read, well worth the time, hope to hear more on this subject. lfschrawyer1
Nope, as a follower of Jesus I cannot claim that He is evil.
Sincerely appreciate the comment, by the way.
Satan was always God's right hand man. He has simply done all that God has commanded him to do, nothing more, nothing less. He has no power short of the power God gives him. He of himself can do nothing.
If he was really as diabolical as you seem to think, the best way to ruin God's plan of salvation would be to not play. But he has to play. He has no free will. And neither does anything or anyone else. The Christian who thinks that salvation is a choice does not understand the New Testament. Read it very, very closely, and like John Calvin, you'll find that all is predestined. The very act of choosing salvation is a form of works, according to Calvin, and therefore isn't possible, since salvation comes only through irresistible grace. God saves whom he elects. Why the others go off into perdition is neither explained, nor is it necessary for us to know. God has his reasons.
Sanctus, you wrote it yourself: "Considering that I believe in God, that a higher being is in control of everything, I believe that disqualifies me as being an atheist."
You are apparently a devoted student of things both scriptural and arcane. I remind you, respectfully, of the great debate that raged between John Calvin and Jacobus Arminius on the subject of predestination and free will (16th c.). Calvin won, in essence, but Arminius would not give up. To this day, those who accept the doctrine of free will cannot fathom a god who would send "innocents" to hell. Nonetheless...
Scary, eh? That's why I'm not a Christian.
Modern translations have an unusual rendering of Isaiah 14:12. The New International Version, for example, translates Isaiah 14:12 this way: “How you have fallen from heaven O morning star, son of the dawn…” In verse 15 the NIV says that this morning star will be “brought down to the grave.” The NIV, with virtually all of the other modern translations, with the exception of the New King James Version, speaks about this “morning star” falling from heaven and being brought “to the grave.” Who is the “morning star”?
In Revelation 22:16 the Lord Jesus Christ says: “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” Jesus is “the bright and morning star.” Shouldn’t we be concerned that, according to the modern translations of Isaiah 14:12, the “morning star,” identified as Jesus Christ in the New Testament falls from heaven because of pride and is cast into “hell”? Is this not the ultimate blasphemy and therefore the worst possible translation?
Hello jesusmyjoy,
We must remember that there are two morning stars; a false one, and the true one. The lucifer mentioned in Isaiah is the fake one. Read the verses before that, and it becomes clear that the line "O Lucifer, son of the morning (KJV)/O morning star, son of the dawn (NIV)" is to be said sardonically.
Therefore, I have no problem with that part of the NIV, because I know that the morning star mentioned in Isaiah is NOT Jesus Christ, the morning star mentioned in the New Testament.
Thank you for your contribution.
Hi RichardSpeaks,
No, I am rather aware that God is using Satan for his ultimate plan; although several Christians will vehemently disagree with that notion. However, Satan is still evil, because God created him that way.
Isaiah 45:7 - "I form the light and create darkness; I make peace and create evil, I the LORD do all of these things."
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Job 26:13 - 13By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent (Satan).
brackets mine.
The Calvinism and Armenianism debate will continue on until the end of time. I no longer believe that man has true freewill, but I cannot accept the Calvinist view of God, who is painted as an evil being who would create some people to be happy, and most miserable without really giving them a choice. This is why I believe in universal salvation.
There is enough in scripture to show that Jesus is the morning star without a play on words with the title Lucifer. The Israelites were careful not to mention the name Jehovah in the same breath with the name of any other god. We would do well in not trying to equate Lucifer to be Christ or vise versa.
Truly? One doctrine of mainstream Christianity that is false is that Satan was once Lucifer. Read Isaiah 14, the entire chapter. This fake-lucifer is referring to the king of Babylon
Yes bud it is imortant to get the best Bible KJV.
(Jesus )bright and morning star v ( Satan)son of the morning
You do know that Lucifer does mean "Light bringer/Bringer of light/morning star" right?
Me thinks that the word "Lucifer" shouldn't even be in the Bible. A Latin word in the Old Testament, when God's people didn't speak Latin? How peculiar.
Lucifer Son of the Morning does not indicate any light,Thats why I said people need better bibles and compare them to the KJV, Jesus is the Bright morning Star, found in the KJV
Here's a little crimp in the folks who accept the KJV as Truth. I speak broadly here, but the version was translated mostly from a Greek version called the Textus Receptus, a very poor rendering of the old Greek manuscripts, loaded with errors, contradictions, and theological changes to suit the translators. It was not a good rendition. Yet, the KJV translators used it anyway because at the time they believed it to be the best edition. They were wrong. So, those who claim the KJV is the one and only Truth (and there are MILLIONS who claim that) are living in a false reality.
Finally, if I was ever going to be Christian in the Biblical sense again, I would also be a Universal Salvationist. If Jesus actually did what he is claimed to have done, then the world is saved whether one believes it or not. If I have to believe, than that is a form of works and it is clear that salvation is by grace alone and not works. We cannot save ourselves...ever. Jesus did the work, he gets the credit, God is satisfied, and we get the benefits. For anyone to wish that the other way--the belief way--is superior is to say that God SHOULD send some to hell, even though he created everything to be just as it is. It cannot be changed. It is all predestined from the foundation of the world. Now that would be a truly cruel God. Of course, that God does not exist, thank God!
Sorry. That's how it is.
I agree that the KJV Bible isn't the "god" that many Christians think it to be, but they seem to think that the KJV is actually Jesus Christ in book form, and we should worship it.
>>> Lucifer Son of the Morning does not indicate any light,Thats why I said people need better bibles and compare them to the KJV, Jesus is the Bright morning Star, found in the KJV
So why then is it that Lucifer is derived from the Latin words Lux Ferre which means "light bringer" if the name Lucifer has nary to do with light?
The word Lucifer does indeed mean the bringer of light, or actually, the bringer of the dawn. Lucifer is the old Roman word for the planet Venus. Venus is the brightest object in the sky after the sun and moon. It precedes the rising of the sun. It is best seen in the eastern horizon just before the sun comes up, hence, the bringer of the dawn. Lucifer/Venus is part of the Roman pantheon of gods. Jesus, in the New Testament, was meant to replace that god. He became the bringer of the dawn, the bright and morning star, Venus. Even the early church fathers in their apologetics to the pagans said that Jesus was no different from their own gods. He had all their attributes. So, why not worship him as well? That's how they tried to get the pagans to convert. Once converted, they had to give up the rest of the pantheon.
Strange stuff, eh??
RichardSpeaks- "If Jesus actually did what he is claimed to have done, then the world is saved whether one believes it or not." You speak of what you know not of. Salvation is by chioce. "He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved"
Otherwise people would be protesting that too. Talking about forcing belief on some one.
I was just perusing through this hub-( being still in foreign and unfamiliar territory alluding to using a computer?)-and I just had to stop in and say to oscarwms? Kudos to you--for you are certainly right about salvation being by man's choice. In so doing we also choose our eternal destinations as well. " For it is by the Grace of God that we have been saved and that not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast." (paraphrased) We each individually make that Choice. I'm unfamiliar with anyone ever saying that Lucifer-(Bringer of light)- was not the name God called Satan before he rebelled and became Satan.
That, I thought, was how he has fooled so many and will continue to do so in these end days as he appears to many being that "false light" they think is God. I've done several studies on the nature of satan-his role in God's government etc. Trying to become more familiar with the tactics he has used against me,and in so doing I would be like that soldier of God, armed and ready to fight fully clothed in the Armor of God having at my disposal the battle plans. as it were, of Satan-( God's adversary )-against me.
God has done a mighty work in this old soul-and now I am not unaware that the evil one uses many ways to "get at" the children of God.
I'll have to check out this "new" doctrine/idea?--I have studied with someone who knows many languages-they never once mentioned this.Like all things should be-I will test it through scripture first. Judging that outside of the Bible by that which is within God's Holy Word. Not the other way around.
I'm not into intellectualism-I am however, "into" God. "Into" Jesus Christ who is my Lord and my Savior.
Thank the Lord God that faith is a simple thing. So that even the illiterate of the world can receive Jesus Christ through this marvelous vehicle God has provided for us!
As the Apostle Paul said?(paraphrasing again if you please)~~"I know nothing but Christ and Him crucified" For the forgiveness and washing away the slime of the sins of myself and whoever will choose Him above all else.
Not only do I believe in His still performing miracles-I am one of them. Hence my "name"
Either one receives the Truth or one continues to deny it to their eternal agonizing detriment.That said? I am "outta here" May the good Lord bless and keep you and yours in these last days.
He is returning soon. Yes-I believe it. With every beat of my heart and every fiber of my being. He said no man knows the hour of His return, but the Father. Yet He also told us to watch and what to watch for.To be ready at anytime to hear His call. Studying eschatology has been my hobby as well.
No matter how you want to break it down, in any language - the biblical truth is "identity theft". The one that is a liar and the father of it, understood the plan of redemption (being even higher than an angel himself), and tried to discredit the Truth before He even came to live, die and resurrect. The Holy Spirit shall teach you all things - not the wisdom of men and scribes. Debating the meaning of words written in ancient texts can only cloud the truth, and that is exactly what the fallen one - who was suppose to protect and didn't - wants.
@ oscarwms - It is a choice, but it is God's choice, not ours. God the Father chooses whom he will save.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
and if it is the choice of man, then those who accept Christ are prone to going around in pride, and saying, "I made the right decision! I'm so awesome! :3"
@whomthesonsetfree - Satan goes after the saints foremost. He's the accuser, so of course he's going to accuse of wrong doing in front of God.
If the "new" idea is to you "universal reconciliation" that's not a new idea. It was held long before Calvinism, and Arminianism (the two most popular Christian ways.)
@A M Werner - Good point, and this is an example of the chasm of the heart. People debate over the meanings of words found in ancient texts, because if this chasm.
As for Satan being higher than an angel, it depends. As Samael (poison/venom of God) he is considered chief of the satans; but I don't recall him ever being considered higher than the angels. The Bible states that he was made crooked since the beginning.
Job 26: 13
13By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.
In Ezekiel 28, the fallen one is higher than the angels, for he is called the King of Tyrus, an annointed and covering cherub (not a plump baby angel), who was perfect until he allowed his beauty to corrupt his wisdom.
In 1 John 2:8 we are told that there are many antichrist - many 'wannabe saviors' who are all really no different than the King of Tyrus - and so what was spoken to the King of Tyrus can be spoken to them.
1 John 2:22 'Who is a liar but he that denieth Yahshua is the Messiyah? He is an antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son.'
The working of miracles is only so suppose to be a starting point to a Christian walk. Once your on the path - you don't need them to believe.
Antichrists are workers of miracles, all performed inorder to keep followers satisfied, their prosperity preaching words keeping itching ears listeing.
Love of this world, love of this life - all these point out the false leaders.
The true light is the one that fills your heart to the point of surrendering to peace and charity - nothing else having value - all is vanity.
Yahshua is not the fake or the false light - unless you, yourself, consider the resurrection a lie.
1 Corinthians 15:13-14 'But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is the Messiyah not risen: and if the Messiyah be not risen, then is our preaching in vain. . .'
And that is the whole point - isn't it?
Is our preaching in vain?
Is it all a lie?
I don't believe so. I believe it all to be truth. I have hope in what I have not seen for my spirit says it is - and my spirit is now in charge - not my reason.
>>In Ezekiel 28, the fallen one is higher than the angels, for he is called the King of Tyrus, an annointed and covering cherub (not a plump baby angel), who was perfect until he allowed his beauty to corrupt his wisdom.
The fallen one in Ezekiel 28 is Hirum, the King of Tyrus. Read my hub "Satan was never Lucifer part 1", but I was shown that God sent Nebuchadnezzar after Tyrus; if you recall, in Isaiah, King Nebuchadnezzar is referred to as Lucifer. Hirum, and Lucifer (false) cannot both be Satan, but many subscribe to them that title.
On that note, I was also shown by guidance of the Holy Spirit that it was not uncommon for the unGodly rulers of the day to proclaim themselves to be God, or to be one of the higher gods if they worshiped a pantheon.
>>Yahshua is not the fake or the false light - unless you, yourself, consider the resurrection a lie.
I never once said that the resurrection is a lie, nor did I proclaim that Jesus is a fake or false light.
Jesus is Good and Satan (or who ever you want to call the other guy) is Bad.
Satan can change himself into what ever form he would like as he is a spirit - he describes himself as the light but, basically the kind of light he is, as my Dad would best describe, a light at the end of a tunnel which you think is good - finally the light has come you say! But, as it approaches closer you will see that it's a train and you are strapped to the tacks. That's the type of light Satan really is and how he can manipulate you and confuse you to think otherwise.
Sroberts9, good answer and Amen sister! Satan is the master deceiver, and all he desires is to seek, kill, and destroy. God, looks for people who truly love him! He has provided redemption through his Son Jesus Christ so that we can become children of God. Our Kingdom is not of this world!
ok every one here has a good point, no one will truly ever have all the answers, i personally feel that the bible cant be taken literaly for several reasons, 1. that the coucil of nicea took and added what they saw fit which is agianst the scripture in revelation of those who do this, 2 the overseers of the kjv was the occultist robert flood! c'mon "they" dont want us to know the truth lets face it they have used religion as a way of power and financial gain
In reference to Sroberts and Tyhill27; did you actually read this hub? Like, read it, read it? Or did you just glance at the title, and say to yourself, "Oh no, this person must worship Satan! I must post a comment about it!"
Had you actually READ IT you would have seen that I go against Satan. But, nay, you are both likely under the spell that Lucifer is Satan, that Satan was a guardian cherubim, and that Satan was also a tree!
Who Is The Morning Star? Is the morning star in the bible JESUS or LUCIFER?
In Isaiah 14:12 Lucifer is called the son of the morning. But Jesus is referred to as both the day star and morning star.
Revelation 22:16 “I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root [an ancestor] and the offspring [the blood descendant] of David, and the bright and morning star.”
22:16 I, Jesus have sent my angel to testify these things - Primarily. To you - The seven angels of the churches; then to those churches - and afterwards to all other churches in succeeding ages. I - as the Mighty God, (the embodiment of the Word of God made flesh, the faithful and true witness). I Am the root - And source of David's family and kingdom (assuring the Church of “the sure mercies of David”, secured to Israel); as man (David’s lord, yet David’s son), an descended from his loins (spiritual in vitro fertilization via miraculous power of God- insuring the blood line of David). I am the star out of Jacob, Num 24:17; like the bright morning star, who puts an end to the night of ignorance, and sin, and ushers in an eternal day of light, and purity.
I am the morning star-that ushered in the day of grace in the beginning of this dispensation and that shall usher in the everlasting day of glory at its close. (Wesley Study Notes out of Context)
Revelation 2:26-29 “And the (one) overcoming and the (one) keeping until (the) end the works of me, I (Jesus) will give him authority over the nations, and he will shepherd them with a staff of iron, as clay vessels, they are broken, as I also have received from the Father of me, and I will give him the morning star. He having an ear, hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
Jesus (The Morning Star - Mighty God - Embodiment of the Word of God )
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Anti-Christ (The Fallen Day Star - God Manifest - Evil Incarnate - Theocratic Terrorism)
Lucifer is a Latin word, literally meaning "light-bearer", that was used as a name for the "day star" or "morning star" that literally precedes the rising of the sun. Use of this name in reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven (the sky).
Does any one even get the point that it doesn't matter what it says but how you live that will determine your afterlife. Its all about your heart and here we are trying to use our wisdom to think our way through faith. God said again and again that he would make the wisdom of man folly. We're trying to say to one another what God meant and what he wants for us all and the truth is we have no clue. Be honest with yourself we're all trying the best we can to live a good life and maybe, just maybe get into heaven. At the end of the Book of Job God made clear his feelings about man's understanding of him in that everyone in that story had got it wrong. It's not about words and denominations or even debates and councils but in action and deed. That just my opinion. I do believe in choice and free will. This life you live can change any moment you decide. God is your father and just as your earthly father he knows you will make many mistakes along the way. Just as your father does God also lets you make them for your own growth and development, what would a being as creative and powerful as God need from puppets and minions.. Saying that you are not in control or responsible for the outcome of your life is cowardice and no different then Adam blaming Eve for the forbidden fruit. Adam had a choice he could have corrected Eve and asked God's forgiveness and understanding but instead chose to shift the blame and it has been going on ever since. You can either take responsibility of your life and receive the gift given to you by God and given to no other creation or you can choose to a victim for all eternity. Strange though that in history those who succeed are those that take control of their life's direction. I could be wrong. It was a great hub and I totally agree with you about the definition of Lucifer, it is not a Hebrew word and doesn't even belong in the Bible. Do not forget that most of what modern Christians know about hell and the devil is not based in religion at all but the writings of Dante, and Milton. These two men have done more to influence popular ideas of damnation and hell then any others. How many times is hell actually and directly referenced in the Bible using that word?
You are right, in that the wisdom of man is folly; but one of the spiritual gifts one coming from God is the gift of wisdom, and the gift of knowledge. Those who have these gifts should use them, but those with the gift of knowledge must use it carefully.
I do agree that most of what we know of Hell did come from Dante, and Milton; and the common depiction of the Devil was derived by blending bits and pieces from the pagan gods, Pan, Set, and Poisiden.
Did God create Satan to be evil? God most certainly did not create man to be evil, he created him in his own image, so I'm just going to throw it out there that if man was created in God's image how much more an angel would have been created, so I don't know if God created Satan to be evil
If you don't know; I would suggest you take these verses into consideration:
"I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil; I the LORD do all of these things" - Isaiah 45:7
His hand hath formed the correct serpent. - Job 26:13
Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. - Isaiah 54:16
Hmm, thought provoking.
I think once Lucifer fell, he became satan, the devil, so you might be right.
Hi there, chenmikehk.
Lucifer was never Satan; or rather, Satan was never an angel.
Tell me more, if satan was not a fallen angel.
Carrie Bradshaw says:
6 months ago
I have to admit your title startled me a bit, but I see the twist as you wrote your hub. I hope readers will indeed read this, as the title seems shocking.
Yes, the truth is that Jesus is NOT an angel, but Lucifer is. When the devil disguises himself as, or is transformed into an angel of "light", this is the same word "light" as when Jesus is called the "light of the world!". Lucifer is indeed the spirit of antichrist, the counterfeit of Christ, the king of spiritual Bablyon as Isaiah 14 states. AMEN.