John Patrick Shanley's 'Doubt'
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A Movie About Faith and Certainty
Joe Versus the Volcano was the movie that made me a John Patrick Shanley fan.
About twenty minutes into that particular movie, I remember thinking to myself, "This is totally original. This is not a movie I've ever seen before."
If you love movies, you know that that is not a statement you can make very often. Movies are great, but truly, there is nothing new under the sun in Hollywood.
Unless, that is, you happen to be watching a John Patrick Shanley flick.
Doubt, Shanley's most recent film, is the screen version of his Pulitzer Prize-winning play of the same name. With it we are again are treated to something entirely new under the sun. Whatever your personal beliefs or convictions, rest assured that watching Doubt will call them into question. If you like your endings neat and clean, move along. This one's not for you.
The story follows Sister Aloysius Beauvier, the crusty old principal of a 1960s-era Catholic grade school; Father Flynn, the new parish priest; Sister James, a new teacher with an innocent outlook; and Donald Miller, a new student and the only black child in the school.
As the film opens we discover that Sister Aloysius (played by Meryl Streep) suspects that Father Flynn has a secret. Aware of the new priest's frequent transfers from parish to parish, and taking note of subtle cues in the way the boys at the school react to him, Sister Aloysius instructs her nuns to be on the lookout for anything strange or disturbing in the priest's behavior.
It doesn't take long for young Sister James to notice odd, inappropriate details about Father Flynn's relationship with Donald Miller, the new black student; a boy who nonetheless adores the liberal priest. Alcohol is detected on Donald's breath after he is called out of class to meet with Flynn. Flynn gives him special gifts and attention. Sister James sees Flynn tuck Donald's soiled undershirt into his locker.
Upon hearing these details from Sister James, Sister Aloysius takes it upon herself to rid her school of Father Flynn even though she has no concrete proof of the misbehavior she suspects. She eventually confronts Flynn in private, telling him a (false) story about contacting a nun at the parish he just left regarding his behavior. Father Flynn reacts explosively to this news, which could either be an admission of guilt or righteous indignation, depending on how sympathetic you are to his character.
In fact. much of the film turns on whether the viewer is more sympathetic to the authoritarian nun who seems to have no doubt about anything, or to the Father Flynn character, who is clearly on the cutting edge of Vatican II and questions just about everything, yet also seems like he actually could be pedophile; a nice, loving, thinking, liberal pedophile-- but a pedophile nonetheless.
Other complications are introduced:
Donald Miller, we learn, is beaten at home by his father for his effeminate behavior and was repeatedly taunted and beaten at public school for the same reasons, which is why his mother pulled him out and sent him to an all-white Catholic school. We are led to believe the young boy is probably gay, and this, combined with his race and the pre-Civil Rights setting, stands to render his intellectual abilities beside the point unless someone gives him a leg up by protecting him.
Is it possible that, like the Socratic teachers of ancient Greece, the affections shown to Donald by Flynn are the best thing that has ever happened to him? In a searingly painful scene in which Sister Aloysius discusses the 'problem' with Donald's mother we are left wondering.
Is the suspected relationship between Donald and Father Flynn unhealthy or is it in this specific instance symbiotic and positive? Is truth relative or absolute? Since we never know for sure if the relationship between Donald and Father Flynn is sexual or not, coming to a conclusion about its value is nearly impossible, but we are at the very least left questioning our assumptions.
Is pedophilia always evil? I'd be inclined to say yes, but in the context of the film even I was left doubting my own strong feelings about it. I've often wondered, for instance, how damaging sexual abuse would be to children if they were free to talk about it without knowing for sure that the other adults in their lives would melt down completely as a consequence.
In some ways, it has always seemed to me that, while it is certainly no fun to have some geezer fondle you at a young age, it is more the secrecy involved and the extreme emotionalism on the part of other adults surrounding a revelation that makes sexual abuse so damaging to children. It's the secrecy and the guilt and shame that comes with abuse that seems to do the harm, not so much the sex itself, and in some ways society makes that dynamic worse when it reacts hysterically to the practice, which it nearly always does.
I was raised in the Catholic faith. I've had direct experience with scary, authoritarian nuns, and I also witnessed the conviction of one of the most beloved, liberal priests in town for pedophilia. I spent years in a Catholic youth group and saw first hand how screwed up just about all the adults were, never mind the kids.
Bill on the other hand had only a brief encounter with Lutheranism as a kid and has been an avowed atheist for most of his adult life. I have enough Catholic baggage to fill a bus or two, and still shiver at the sight of a woman in a habit. So I'd have expected that I would have sided with the priest and he would have sided with the nun, but actually, the reverse was true.
I immediately warmed to the character of Sister Aloysius, who in my perception came across not as a martinet and an intolerant grudge but rather as a woman who had been on earth much too long and knew human beings much too well to suffer fools gladly.
It would have been all too easy to portray a nun like Aloysius as a caricature instead of a human being. Streep interpreted Aloysius as a nuanced, complex woman whose sense of responsibility to her students and her faith was not constrained by any need for the approval of others. She reminded me of my paternal grandmother. Her job, as she saw it, was the care and education of her young charges. She wasn't there to be their friend.
Bill, on the other hand, saw in Aloysius only the authoritarian know-it-all, and in Father Flynn a man who, if he were to ever want to be a part of any church, might be the sort of man he would admire: warm, open-minded, reasonable, and liberal in his interpretations. Where he saw a thinking fellow willing to look at relativism and the active practice of tolerance, I saw yet another friendly beloved priest with a pile of secrets backed by a patriarchal political structure that insured he would suffer no negative consequences ever.
The genius of the screenplay is that by the end of it, we both had more new questions about our assumptions than we had answers, and we both questioned our own sympathies more than anything else.
Doubt never gives you an answer to the nagging question, "Did he do it?" But it does leave you with plenty of reservations and discomfort.
And that's the point of Doubt: That faith isn't about certainty or religion or belief, it's about what you do next in the face of uncertainty and doubt.
At one point Sister Aloysius says to Sister James, "Maybe we aren't meant to get to comfortable in this life."
I personally believe that.
I've never seen it so brilliantly illustrated.
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Being Catholic, I can relate to the nun’s back in the 60’s and 70’s. Many were just like Sister Aloysius. Then there were the guardian angels of the group like Sister James.
Questioning ones faith, as Mother Teresa once said, is a very human thing. I believe it is the answer to that question that is important...
Hi Elliot,
I hope you do write that hub. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say about it. I personally think religion deals with certainty, belief deals in the hope for certainty, and faith is about carrying on in the absence of certainty. Perhaps that's why I found Aloysius's character most sympathetic, but I questioned my biases at the end of the film too. I thought it was really a great film--I'd love to be in on a discussion of it. Maybe that will happen here.
Nancy--yes, I recall that too. There were always the good cops and the bad cops, weren't there? I also remember how the nuns used to fawn over the priests as if they were little gods or something, and how especially distasteful that all was to me once I reached adolescence and my parents got very involved in the church. I saw firsthand how the patriarchal nature of the authority of the Church distorted authority itself, and subsequent events have borne that out (all the charges of sexual misconduct and so forth). I've thought about writing a hub about that, a separate one--about my experiences growing up in that youth group but I haven't felt up to it yet. Maybe I will.
Interesting. I like it that it never gets established one way or another -- because one of the problems to me is how easily the accusation can be thrown on anyone.
Anything can become evidence. Anything can be twisted into being the wrong sort of relationship. I think you're right that the greatest harm to children in sexual abuse is the way people freak out about it. How many times does it take a kid hearing "You don't have to be ashamed?" before they catch on that they're supposed to be horribly ashamed for the rest of their lives about what happened and there's something wrong with them if they weren't?
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Hebrews 11:30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1 Cor. 4:6, 'do not go beyond what is written.' Abihu and Nadab went beyond what was written and paid the price." (Lev. 10:1-2)
"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him." (Col. 3:17)
Joe vs the volcano is one of my all time favorite movies. The subtle yet epic lines in the movie were great. While the premes of the story is unusual, it was weaved well and the twists and turns were amusing and not necessarily predictable. Will look forward to the new movie. Thanks for the post and the heads up.
Sounds like a must see. I will enjoy it all the more after your insight. Thanks
Hi Robert--good point about the 'don't be ashamed' bit. Of course that conveys 'be ashamed, be very ashamed' perfectly. I never thought about it that way. I babysat for a little girl who was clearly being molested by her dad. I was about 12 or 13 I think at the time. I told my mother and she said, "Never mention that again. We don't EVER talk about those things, not ever." Much later in my life my sisters told me that of course everyone knew about it, but so what? It's a matter of perspective I guess--the best attitude I think is somewhere inbetween 'who cares' and 'let's all freak out now'.
Karri--thanks for the scripture and all the best to you.
Thinking Out Loud--I've seen Joe Versus the Volcano at least a dozen times. It is also one of my favorite movies ever. I love modern fairy tales, and it is very much a modern fairy tale. Love the factory in the opening scenes!
Gypsy Willow--Definitely check it out! It's excellent.
Haven't seen the movie -- but will now, for sure. Great hub.
I loved Doubt. It will never, I'm sure, be particularly popular because it makes anyone who watches it uncomfortable, and most of us don't like to be uncomfortable, or at least don't go to movies for that reason. But the movie had the same effect on me and my wife that it did on you and Bill: we eventually had to agree to disagree. My wife went with the Sister I think because we have a son whom we suspect may have been molested, though we cannot prove it, and me with the priest because during my 30+ years of teaching, I tried to educate by challenging the status quo.
But there is another thin-line issue which the movie suggests, at least to me. On the one hand, child molestation is, to me, the greatest plague on the planet, greater than AIDs. My wife and I have counseled young adult victims of molestation for 25 years, and its grip on the psyche of the victim lingers and controls like heroin. When molesation is there, one cannot scream loud enough.
On the other hand, sometimes a teacher (or one in a similar position, like a priest) becomes the avenue for a child to see himself/herself for the first time as a person of worth, with potential and a future, and unlimited opportunity. I have had a couple teachers who did that for me, and I believe I have been that avenue for some I have taught. The problem is that that moment is so powerful that it can quickly take the student from gratitude to adoration. (Who hasn't had a crush on one teacher or another going through school?) Absolutely and incontrovertibly, the teacher has to have the character and discipline to recognize that moment and not take advantage of it. But to quickly fall to mistrust of any teacher who generates that fire in a student kills the little that is valuable about the educational process.
Hi Steve,
That's an excellent point. A teacher can be like a screen onto which a student can project an internal image of perfection. In reality the student is looking at what he/she wishes to become, or maybe more correctly, what he/she can become. It's a bit like falling in love, and it's certainly a powerful force. I agree with what you say there.
It's interesting that you and your wife fell out similarly in reaction to the characters. I think that there was a powerful dynamic in that story about gender and authority that made Sister Aloysius a more sympathetic character for women who have suffered in male-dominated fields (where their intuitions and insights were dismissed), and that oddly, at the same time, made Father Flynn more a more sympathetic character to empathetic, nonaggressive men who have also suffered in such arenas (by being branded deviant and soft).
Honestly it was a brilliant screenplay. I'm one of those weird people who likes movies that make me think and make me uncomfortable. I love comfort, but I know it's bad for me.
Thanks for your always insightful commentary.
Now I'm going to have to see this movie. I have heard some feedback about the movie and had decided that the premise of the movie was too painful for me to watch it. As a person who has seen first hand the impact of abuse of authority figure on a child, I have my biases.
Thanks for sharing.
Interesting
I have read both good and bad reviews of this film. Your review was interesting and I think I shall have to give the film a whirl and see for myself
Dynamic S, Kushal, & Ethel--Thanks for stopping by. The film isn't for everyone, but it's not overwhelming as to the abuse part. It's more philosophical I'd say. Hope you enjoy it. :)
So we have so very big movie buffs here. Very nice review. A review like this is always welcome.





















elliot.dunn says:
5 months ago
the movie opened with a sermon by Father Flynn (i love Phillip Seymour Hoffman) about the importance of doubt in the lives of the faithful. Doubt forces us to think and to come up with answers. But doubt is not meant to be a way of life - it's supposed to propel us to new levels of certainity. Flynn preached that: don't be afraid of doubt because it's a necessary piece of a progressive, living faith.
i do think that we should always be questioning and reestablishing what we think. but things can be known for certain and, faith is the conviction of things hoped for, the assurance of things unseen. it's kinda a beautiful thing - faith wouldn't be faith if doubt wasn't involved. this is kind of rambling - i might have to tie this together in a more coherent hub...