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Kiddy Porn or Family Photo??

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By Pancho Villa


 

Can you tell the difference between a kiddy pornographic photo and a family photo? If you cannot tell the difference or do not know the legal difference, you should not be taking photos of your minor children or grandchildren.

The child pornographic laws have changed. While I applaud child pornographic laws, I also believe that we (the public) are entitled to specific definitions of what is child porn.

Presently child porn is in the eye of the beholder. What Grandma might consider "cute", a hardened criminal investigator might consider child pornography.

The test is not what is in the mind of the child or the person taking the photo. The test is can a law enforcement officer create a sexual fantasy out of this photo?

Consider the following:

Consider a family backyard cookout. A photo of a boy and girl (brother and sister) six to eight years old both with little to no clothes in the wading pool and holding sausages to be grilled. They are not touching each other or doing anything with the sausages.

If you had been there, you would have heard the boy say, "I want this one".

Is this child porn? A photo lab in Burbank California decides to error on the safe side and calls the police. The safe side is to call the police because if he does not and it is child porn, he could be liable also.

The Burbank police decide the photos are disgusting, not funny, indecent, degenerate and criminal. The police took one look and decided YES this is child pornography and they set out to arrest the couple (the parents).

At this time there is no way to legally differentiate between family snapshots of a naked child and child pornography.

From the moment a child is born, parents and grandparent alike are recording for posterity some of our most embarrassing moments. At around six months, we are photographed lying on our tummy, naked. At nine months to fourteen months, we are photographed naked sitting on a potty. Get the picture??

David Urban took photos of his wife and 15-month-old grandson, both nude as she was giving him a bath. A photo lab turned him in and he was convicted by a Missouri court.

A gay couple decided to shave their bodies and then take pictures of their lovemaking. A photo clerk at Walgreen's decided one of them looked to young and called police. The couple is suing the Fort Lauderdale Police.

It seems that we as a nation are confused when it comes to protecting kids from sexual predators. In our hast to protect the children we have completely and utterly failed to clearly define and execute the laws governing child pornography

This was not much of an issue in the past. About 10 cases or so in the last 12 years were reported in the press. However, more and more parents and grandparents are being arrested via the hard un-denying evidence photos provide.

Innocent family situations are no longer innocent. William Kelly was arrested in Maryland after dropping off a roll of film that unknown to him included nude photos of his ten year old daughter and younger children that they had taken of each other at bed time.

Cynthia Stewart took a picture of her eight-year-old daughter taking a bath. She was arrested because in the background of the picture was a showerhead. The prosecution some how decided the shower head proved the eight year old was masturbating.

All these parents and grandparents are now sex offenders. They have to register with the police department, and are subject to the laws requiring sex offenders live a certain distance from any school, park, church, library or any place children might congregate. Not only does it affect where they can live but also it affects their ability to get employment.

This type of law puts all of us at risk of being arrested as sex offenders. It also radically limits the idea of free speech protection by insisting that a photo of a child is equivalent to molestation. Legally, it is not what is in the picture that counts. It is what is in the mind of the beholder that counts legally. It is actually necessary to fantasize a sexual context to the photo in order to make it child porn.

Exactly what is it we as a nation want to put an end to? Just how far are we, as a nation, willing to go to achieve our goal of keeping our children safe from pedophiles? Are we willing to reach into every home and examine every family album? Are we willing to create a nation of convicted pedophile parents and grandparents?

By not defining child pornography, we are asking everyone and no one to decide what child porn is. We are leaving it up to others that may not have the family values we have. In fact, we could be leaving it up to a closet pedophile to decide. If the test is can we put this photo into a sexual fantasy, then yes, every photo we take of a child is child pornography.

So how do we know which pictures we should hide and which we can show to our friends? My advice to you is DO NOT TAKE PICTURES OF CHILDREN. A grandmother can take a picture of her grandkids jumping into bed with pj's on and some nut can make a sexual fantasy out of it. Some dad can take a picture of his daughter licking an ice cream cone and some nut (police officer) can make a sexual fantasy of it, especially if the child is wearing a bathing suite.

I implore you to write your congressperson. Tell them we need stronger child porn laws. We need porn laws that are well defined as to what is child porn. We do not need a nation of grandparents and parents in jail for creating and capturing memories.

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Pancho Villa - a bleeding heart liberal Revolutionary.

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Ralph Deeds profile image

Ralph Deeds  says:
18 months ago

Good hub! Ignorance and hyateria are rampant over simple non-pornographic nudity.

dutch84 profile image

dutch84  says:
18 months ago

this is a family photo.

Miley Cirus is kiddie porn.

Agro Donkey  says:
18 months ago

Great hub and well writen. This is a problem that could be easily solved but will not do to the lack of competance in our government.

crazybeanrider profile image

crazybeanrider  says:
18 months ago

Very well written hub. It is sad when grandparents can't even take a photo of their grandchild anymore. It is a shame that innocence and purity doesn't exist in a family photo anymore.

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troylaplante  says:
14 months ago

This is the very reason I have not emailed a photo of a future embarassment to my now 5 year old to his grandmother. I was photographing him in the backyard riding a toy tractor. He suddenly decided he had to use the bathroom, ran to a corner of the back yard, and whipped it out. The family dog started drinking at the fountain and it made a funny photo. However, a family funny could be taken by whackos as kiddy porn, so it will never get sent to anyone. When he is a teenager, it will embarass him plenty when we show it to his girlfriend, though.

Pancho Villa profile image

Pancho Villa  says:
14 months ago

How right you are. And it is a shame you cannot share your son with his grandparents. I am very much against using children sexualy but this law really sucks.

Lorrie B. profile image

Lorrie B.  says:
14 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly...government intervention into our family keepsakes of precious childhood moments, purely innocent moments, has gone beyond ridiculous. Thanks for writing such a great article on the subject, I hope we will hear more from you!Peace...LorrieB

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earnestshub  says:
9 months ago

It is the religious right wowser factor folks! Wowsers always have dirty minds themselves and they project their vile selves. Separate church and state puleeze America.

marquise  says:
7 months ago

sassy

Cellar Door profile image

Cellar Door  says:
7 months ago

very interesting stuff, overly politically correct society is killing art!

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notorious_HAI  says:
6 months ago

So it is ok to film Blue Lagoon but not ok to take keep an innocent memory. It is a shame that innocence is contaminated because the ignorance, warped mind and over-zealousness of some. I'm all for protecting children but this is just ridiculous. Let children be children. Roaming around the back yard naked in summer is part of growing up. Excellent hub, not many people would've been game enough to shed light on this topic.

Dragonfly420  says:
6 months ago

I agree with you 100%. It's rather disturbing that ignorant people could take an innocent picture and decide that it's child porn.It seems to me that they are the ones who seem to be off if they can do that.Any normal person would understand the difference.

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6 months ago

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Kebennett1  says:
5 months ago

I agree. There needs to be a coherent definition. I as a parent, and grandparent, should not have to worry about taking photos of my grandchildren for an album that may include a bathtub scene. I should not have to feel like I should go through old albums and make sure none exist of my children. It is not my fault there are perverts out there. This world has become a sad, rigid, hardlined, sick, place to live in--I hope the LORD comes soon!

Cindy Letchworth profile image

Cindy Letchworth  says:
4 months ago

Good hub and some very good points here. This is what's wrong with our society today. Everything is over analyzed and subject to someone else's interpretation.

Thanks for enlightening us to this matter. Frankly I would not have thought anything about taking a picture of something as innocent as a child licking an ice cream cone. It's sad we can no longer just have fun and take silly pictures without having to think that someone developing the photos might feel obligated to call the authorities.

Nothing is just for fun any more, is it?

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someonewhoknows  says:
4 months ago

Unfortunately there really are sexual devients out there who were probably never learned the difference and see such photos as child pornography.It may be a case of indecent exposeure,or child pornography if an Adult in the photo is nude though I would rather the police investigate rather than let all such photos be ignored ,for the sake of the children.

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Karen Weir  says:
4 months ago

I think that those developing film do have a responsibility to report suspicious photos, but would hope that these cases are investigated and more evidence than a single photo would be required for a charge of child pornography to stick?

That being said I have to agree with arnestshub:

"It is the religious right wowser factor folks! Wowsers always have dirty minds themselves and they project their vile selves. Separate church and state puleeze America."

Drew Breezzy profile image

Drew Breezzy  says:
4 months ago

Wow that is crazy. I have heard that if two minors (teenagers) trade nude pictures it is considered illegal.

The thought of some grandma getting jailed for tub pics of her grandson is a bit frightening how an innocent act could ruin a person's life.

Drew Breezzy profile image

Drew Breezzy  says:
4 months ago

Wow that is crazy. I have heard that if two minors (teenagers) trade nude pictures it is considered illegal.

The thought of some grandma getting jailed for tub pics of her grandson is a bit frightening how an innocent act could ruin a person's life.

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Tom Cornett  says:
4 months ago

As long as there is ignorance and political ambition at the helm of law enforcement....we will have this problem. Just look into what the system is doing to teenage boys concerning sex offenses. It is a nightmare!

Really well written hub! Thanks.

blue dog profile image

blue dog  says:
4 months ago

society has changed. Sixty years ago, a 3 year old boy is standing there along the bank of the river, at a summer picnic, holding his tallywacker in one hand, a beer bottle in the other hand, the moment captured forever in all its intended cuteness. perhaps it's government intervention. it's also possible that our society has bred too many lawyers looking for a quick buck. let's take a long, cold, hard look at our legal system.

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wesleycox  says:
4 months ago

This is an excellent hub and quite frankly made me a little upset. How could our country become so stupid about things. I think the problem lies within the nosy people that take it upon themselves to report stuff. You know if this ever happened to me I would fight it and tell everyone else to get bent. Anyway your hub is well written and enjoyable to read.

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Connie Smith  says:
4 months ago

In order to decide whether they were pornography, unfortunately, they would have to be viewed. Since most every family has taken a nude photo of a young child in the bath, I would think that there was SOMETHING about these pictures that made them stand out from the rest. I will step right out and say that MOST 10 year olds do not get nude and take pictures. I am not accusing anyone of anything, but come on, folks.

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Louidam1  says:
4 months ago

Great hub make you stop and think. I have taken pics of my daughters when they were babies taking their first bath...never would I have thought it was kiddie porn.

Louidam1 profile image

Louidam1  says:
4 months ago

Great hub make you stop and think. I have taken pics of my daughters when they were babies taking their first bath...never would I have thought it was kiddie porn.

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sandra rinck  says:
4 months ago

omg, that is ridiculous. The world is just to friggin' crazy for me these days. I have pictures of my kids butt in the bathtub...what parent doesn't want to remember their kids growing up...

my kids first bath etc... err. This is an excellent hub but now I am feeling a little pissy and annoyed at how far stupid people will go to make criminals out of parents.

Really, in my eyes it's like decriminalizing real sex offenders because their scoring grandparents and children up. It would then seem after a while of parents and grandparents being registered sex offenders then as the story goes... People who know other parents who got in trouble for taking a picture of their kids, would be like oh, it's not a big deal. He got busted for taking a picture of his kids.

Viola, parents can't tell the difference between a real offender and then real offenders are off doing who knows what to our kids. errr!!!!

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RooBee  says:
3 months ago

Sadly, the pendulum usually swings too far in any given direction. Obviously, kids need to be protected from purveyors of porn and child predators. However, innocent parents and grandparents getting caught in the dragnet is NOT okay! Thanks for bringing attention to this important and rather shocking issue.

Misha profile image

Misha  says:
3 months ago

Good questions Pancho, darn good questions... Only scary answers though...

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shriketexas  says:
3 weeks ago

It is a sick over crowded world we live in. I agree the child porn laws should be delineated. But I think we should refrain from taking revealing pictures of our children and grandchildren after all we live in a digital age and its not safe to put your family pictures on the internet.

Angelo  says:
2 weeks ago

Welcome to uptight Amerika

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