Leftists, Democrats, Liberals
67It strikes me that there are three forms of "Democrats", and I put that word in quotes because it doesn't really define the whole group. So I have divided the left wing into the three types of people I see and meet in my own experience.
Leftists
Leftists are the extreme. They are the ones who run the show. They are smart and ruthless, as evidenced by the current events that we see in our government right now. They develop and deploy the memes that control society for their own personal power and gain. You could equate the top eschelon of our government right now to various totalitarian governments that history has shown us throughout the 20th century.
You may think I go too far with such a statement. Keep reading.
"President Obama’s proposal for a new legal system in which terrorism suspects could be held in “prolonged detention” inside the United States without trial would be a departure from the way this country sees itself, as a place where people in the grip of the government either face criminal charges or walk free.
. . . . the concept of preventive detention is at the very boundary of American law, and legal experts say any new plan for the imprisonment of terrorism suspects without trial would seem inevitably bound for the Supreme Court." - New York Times
The door is always cracked open with a seemingly appropriate stance. "Well, they're terrorists, so that's ok." But once the idea is legally accepted, as history has shown, it always went further than that after the concept was in place.
Democrats
Democrats are real-live people who still believe in our Constitution and America. They are mostly what I would call "JFK Democrats". They think things through with logic and reason. They call things by their rightful names. They will back up their opinions with established facts to the best of their ability. They are happy to hear your side of things because they might actually learn something and not only that, they want to. They respect your right to your own opinion even if they don't agree with it. They understand the basis of freedom as defined by our Constitution and the concept of individual sovereignty. They balance out the right wing. They are sane, as the other two extremes are not, as they each prove every day.
Liberals
Liberals hate America. America is all the evil in the world in one place. If it wasn't for America, there would be no wars (because we think our culture is the only one), no hunger (because we withhold food from starving babies if they're a member of a minority), no class warfare (because there are too many selfish rich people) and no capitalism (because the government should run everything anyway).
They do not think for themselves, but run on "talking points" supplied by "the group". They say words only mean what they say they mean, when they want them to mean a certain thing in a certain instance. They are hypocrites - it's ok for them to drive an SUV but everyone else should own a Prius (don't you care ANYTHING about our environment?). Obama's "preventative detention" will never effect them, only you, if you go against "the group", and rightly so.
If the group says black is white and hot is cold they repeat it like parrots even if proven to the contrary. You can take a liberal's hand, put it under hot water to prove your point, and you get a horrified silence full of hatred when they feel the heat (no pun intended). Hatred that you popped the bubble of group-think.
They then run back to the group and plead, "Now what do I say to them? - Look, my hand is scalded. Now what do I say?" Answer - "That's not a burn, that's frostbite. Whoever told you this is a right-wing extremist. And besides, it's Bush's fault for making the water so cold in the first place."
These people are Obama-bots. They suffer from a childish desire to be a part of the group at any cost. The desire for the "government as parent" so that they will never have to face the terror of individuating, of growing up.
It takes courage to grow up, spiritual courage. Courage of the heart. And Americans, real Americans, have always been courageous, because they know in their hearts what it means to be truly free.
I, however, have no intention of attempting rational dialogue with either power-mad bureaucrats or a bunch of frightened children.
But to real Democrats, you're discourse is most welcome.
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tony0724 - I've always believed that a balanced approach is the best. I don't hang with all the conservative views, or all the democrat ones either. But one thing everyone always did agree upon, and that was that our Constitution was the law of the land, and that everything should proceed from there. That is no longer the case.
The liberal attack machine? You mean the delusional attack machine. Thanks for posting.
Yes, they are a fractured bunch until it comes time to go to the polls, then they all lock step to the party's tune. Good post thanks.
Well said. The way I see it, Barack Obama, the Messiah of the counter-culture (leftists and liberals) will use a Tyranny of Government to complete their agenda. Of course, the Constitution will be trashed.
I suggest you delete all comments from those who use ridicule and personal attacks instead of actually making a valid comment concerning the issues. That will cause the leftists and liberals to froth at the mouth. :-)
At last, a sane voice in the wilderness.
thinking out loud - hopefully there are still some who won't do that. Backing the Constitution tends to make people more sane. However, there are a lot of people who can't stand Obama just because he's not Hillary, even though they are the same - but that's liberal logic for you.
Websense - no, I won't be giving anyone a forum who just spouts off just because they can't stand the truth. Imagine that - a forum where liberals can't disrupt communication! Things are looking up. Thanks for posting.
Bob - I always appreciate encouragement, especially when I go into something that's controversial. But hey, somebody needs to say it. The clearer we all are the faster we can change things. Thanks!
Excellent article. We have left the Constitution so far behind now, that I am not sure the USA will ever see true liberty again. Officials throughout government, from the president to supreme court justices, take an oath to uphold the Constitution, then ignore it and do whatever they can to gain more power. By creating agencies and systems which create dependency on themselves, they assure a large voting bloc made up of those (individuals and businesses) which depend on government programs and handouts.
President Obama, Harry Reid, etc., insult our founding fathers and the solid principles which provided the framework for the USA to become a highly productive and free nation. Unless Democrats (as you described them), Republicans, and Independents start demanding a return to Constitutional government, we will continue our decline into tyranny.
John - I completely agree. More and more people are starting to see and understand what's in front of us. Maybe something can be done before all the indoctrinated school children come of age - those kids who say that capitalism is when the government runs and owns all business! (apparently someone did a poll and asked high school kids what capitalism is, I was astonished when I heard that).
While things seem to be getting worse and worse, I do see a groundswell of people who are very clear about what's going on. My hope is on them, and they don't seem to have a party affiliation. They're just Americans who aren't about to give up - or in. Thanks for your input.
I can appreciate your article because I don't like party politics at all, but without some comparison to the right wing that you mentioned earlier your article isn't really fair or relevant.
While I absolutely agree that the Left side of the spectrum is in three sub-groups similar to the ones you've described (although I'll disagree with your definitions), there's no doubt in my mind that the Right is ordered in a similar fashion.
I understand your article is specifically dealing with the Left, but without some reflection on the Right your page just appears like a hate ad.
freshtodeath - thank you for posting. You have provided me with a textbook example of the exact behaviors I have described above.
First, you state that my article isn't "fair" or "relevant", unless I write what you want me to write, that is "some comparison to the right wing". If you want that, you write it. I wrote here exactly what I have observed.
Second, you state that the right wing is ordered in a similar fashion, but you don't state how. Without backing up what you say, your statement here is not fair and has no relevance. Another tactic, to accuse your target of what you are doing.
Thirdly, you then proceed to LABEL my page as a "hate ad". Oh yes, it is full of hate, but only the hate that I have observed as practiced by the Left. If I state that a burning building is on fire, that doesn't mean that I'M on fire. So here, in a very hate-filled Leftist tactic, a label is applied, so that "the group" will then know how to respond to my article, and as "a group" silence me, because I very clearly expose the manipulative tactics of the Left.
You seek to deprive me of my right of freedom of speech, through redefinition of my statements of observation to that of a "hate ad". After all, why would anyone want to read the ravings of someone who writes "hate ads". Which you specifically won't even take responsibility for yourself by saying that it "appears" like a hate ad. Very slick!
If you thought this up on your own you are a Leftist. If you were told to attack in this manner but didn't think it up on your own, you are a Liberal. Either way, the result is the same. Your goal, or your handler's goal, is to control and manipulate and deprive people of their rights when they don't do, say, or think what you want them to, when they disagree with your agenda, when they disagree with you.
So, thank you again, freshtodeath, for posting such a perfect example of the hatred, cowardice, and hypocrisy of the Left. I couldn't have said it better - my hat is off to you.
Go Get EM Madame X !
which cannibal will run in '12 Cheney or Limbaugh? I'd like to see them go at it in a cage match!
WOW! I yield the floor to the esteemed lady from California!
I love your use of the word "meme" here because that is a huge part of their strategy. The Radical Left, my appellation for them, is hell bent on corrupting the memorial at Ground Zero and in Pennsylvania, insisting an insinuation be included about the imagined faults of America.
The way I see it, Conservatives are transparent. They have no fantasies about human nature. They know it is not perfectible here. Their honesty about humanity is what is hated. The Radical Left will not deal honestly, they always create words—memes—to create deception about what they are really talking about. And the fact that they themselves feel overwhelmingly compelled to constantly deceive others (and maybe even themselves) tells us volumes about where their hearts are.
Thank you for an incredible Hub. I applaud you. Bravo!
tony and James - Thanks for your support. The way I see it, we're in a pitched battle for our freedom. Never mind that we're not using guns and bombs - it's full-out psychological war.
That's horrible about what they're doing to the Ground Zero site. I didn't know that. So, we get attacked and it's our own fault? Kind of like a woman whose fault it is she got raped? Yes, another meme.
I agree with you that Conservatives are more willing to accept human nature for what it is. The Radical Left doesn't want to accept people completely, both their good and bad sides. Because then you have to accept it in yourself, and that takes forgiveness. Something that is badly misplaced (known as "tolerance") on the Left.
But hey, we'll keep on swingin' - Jesus said, "Remember, when they hate you, they hated me first."
Thanks for posting guys.
You know raiderfan - you're not nearly as stupid as you sound.
I'm sorry, but all of you here save FreshtoDeath (interested, as far as I can tell, in finding holes in arguments in a formalistic way), are victims of the Hegelian dialectic...might want to look that up, Ma'am. It took me a while, but I had to come see what was up after Ralph Deeds was not allowed to post, ;). I'm just wondering what insulting thing you will possibly say to me?
The state has the supreme right , against the Individual . Whose duty Is to be a member of the State . For the right of the world Is above all special priveleges . -------- George Hegel
This theory was used by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels In support of communism In 1847 . So If you are talking about the fairness doctrine , or trying to take away 2nd amendment rights , or not being allowed to call Christmas at Christmas time because It might offend somebody , a position strongly endorsed by liberals on all counts , then you have Engel dialect .
"I had to come see what was up after Ralph Deeds was not allowed to post"
Sounds the like "the group" is trying to figure out what to do!
Yes, I denied Mr. Deeds' post. He stated that my observations were "ridiculous". That is his opinion, which he did not back up with any factual content, to refute what I posted.
Just saying "noooo" is not a logical refutation. So yes, I am going to deny every post that does that, and thereby has as it's goal the disruption of genuine communication.
Others who have posted here have agreed with me because they too, have observed the phenomena as I have, a leftist lock-step towards the obliteration of individual sovereignty. You know, that concept that America was founded on? It is also outlined in the Bill of Rights, which you may wish to review.
As for being insulting, your use of the word Ma'am is intended as an insult, not a term of respect. If you disagree with what I, or others have said, insulting them with a plausibly denialable expletive is not going to foster open communication. If you want to be taken seriously, you might consider the actual effect your insults have.
I'm always aware of the effect of my language. Lol. I work and PR and am a fairly well-published writer and poet. It can be looked up, too. (Whata combination, huh?)
This entire hub here WAS not written as a form of communication, except to folowers--which I suppose is fine. But you are as guilty as the liberals you lance, supporting your own memes. My point--the Hegelian dialectic.
tony - thanks for the clarification. It seems the only people Hegel's Dialectic works on is those on the left. They've all previously agreed we shouldn't offend anyone by saying Christmas, even at Christmas. (how come we weren't in on that decision?)
Ms. Sorenson-
Your interpretation of the Hegelian dialectic is inaccurate. Hegel's formula runs like this: A (thesis) versus B (anti-thesis) = C (synthesis).
For example: If (A) my idea of freedom conflicts with (B) your idea of freedom then (C) neither of us can be free until everyone agrees to be a slave."
In addition, your use of the term "meme" is also inaccurate. A meme provides no explanation, but instead issues a command. A good current example is, "Hate Bush". Why hate Bush? It doesn't matter, just do it. Another example is, "liberals are compassionate", something I have rarely, if ever, observed for myself. Yet the current so-called concensus is that the left is the "party of peace". At least, by the left anyway.
And since I have no reason to doubt that you are indeed aware of the effect of your language, then your insult to me was intentional. Which is another liberal method - when you can't make your point, spit.
So, what do we have here. The misapplication of a formula specifically used by the left to promote totalitarianism; the misapplication of the term meme, to trivailize my observations; and an insult.
When you have something to say, Ms. Sorensen, I'd be happy to listen. But for now, thank you for posting another example of how the left operates. I'm overjoyed at having my points proven through real-time interaction.
Thank God a new generation is taking over politics.
And according to Lita because she has supposedly been published , that somehow makes her opinion more relevant !And to mbd I do not think the new guard will be there long at this rate . Obama Is OK with Irans nuclear aspirations . He Is thumbing his nose at our allies like Israel and Germany and the liberals In congress our bastardizing the constitution , It will be a very short reign . By the way I am a Democrat !
tony - I agree, I don't think this new reign will last very long. One thing that everyone agrees upon is that our Constitution must remain firmly in place - except leftists and liberals. It puts too much of a kink in their "think our way or no way" style. Thanks for your continued clarity and sanity.
Democrats remains me the religion. Many denominations. They call it freedom. Freedom is something which will set us free. Leftists and liberals are in reality socialists and communists and they bring people to slavery. Then there are 3/4 socialists in the democratic machine. Now one may wander why we are in troubles. Chruschev said: We will berry America.
Vladimir - thanks for your knowledgeable input. There's nothing like someone who's lived through it to know exactly what he's looking at.
Not much of each raiderfan , but you must swear loyalty to the system !
tony - I've denied raiderfan's post about "getting free stuff if he turns communist" because of it's idiocy in the face of a very serious issue. It's another liberal tactic. But your comment was accurate, as usual. Thanks.
Excellent post, Madame X. I only have one quibble with it, where exactly do you see these "democrats"? The ones that will listen? The only one in public life that comes to mind is Joe Lieberman, and you saw how well his party treated him...Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Scoop Jackson fit the mold, but they have sadly departed.
Bob - I was speaking more of just regular people rather than those in the public eye. They're just people that I meet everyday - they're sane, clear, and don't go glassy-eyed when you ask them what they think. Thanks for posting.
Very interesting hub and responses. Whether or not one agrees with you, you have made some very salient points. I like your moxie.
logic,commonsense - thanks for the words of praise and support. It's been my experience that one can either see these phenomena, or they can't. I'm always grateful when another clear-sighted soul makes them self known.
Madame X, you are to HubPages as Ann Coulter is to hardcover publishing and the world of talk show appearances. I'm sitting here (after reading this Hub and the various Comments) with a smile threatening to break into a grin. Keep up the good work.
Ghost32 - To be likened to Ann Coulter is probably the highest compliment I could ever receive! I'm not going to sit around and pretend I don't see what I see. I'll leave that to the liberals. Thanks Ghost. Come by anytime.
Right on X, can you imagine if we had run WWII this way? Mirandizing prisoners?? Bringing them to the States?? These guys will be recruiting too. Nothing like home grown terrorists getting out on parole. The Shark
Shark - as always, your comments are extremely welcome. It scares me to death that we might bring these guys to the US. But if I wrote what I really thought about it I'd be labeled as a conspiracy theorist!
As the saying goes, "why am I in this handbasket and where are we going?"
Thanks for posting!
Very nice hub. I'm a constitutionalist, which means if I had my way, no dept of education for starters. To me that was our major default. We set in course a way for the "enlightened" to teach all of our children the socialist ideals that they instill. I went to a very liberal university and lived among these 'people' for many, many years. I was insulted, looked down on, and cursed where ever I went among these. I was a uncultured heathen in their eyes because I didn't follow the path. Unfortunately more party will never win a seat in office but that's fine. I still get to cast my ballot, for now. I'm glad that others can see that all is not as it seems. Now if we could un-brainwash the sheeple more could see that they are being manipulated. Oh well, if the people of Russia survived under Stalin's conditions we as Americans can survive the Obama conditions. Well done and keep up the good work.
Ande - thanks for posting. I have great faith in our younger generation, even if they've been 'taught' what to think. After a while, you just can't miss the hypocrisy and kids especially zero in on that. It's just a matter of time.
Hi X, great job, Those JFK liberals don't exist anymore, it's why Liberman is an Independant, they literally threw him out of the party. That's why years ago Regan left the Democratic party and asked why he left, he gave a classic response: "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic party left me."
The party has been hijacked by the extremists that are not only destroying their party, they're taking our country with them.
Obama is trying to take over as much as he can in as little time as possible because the Libs are deathly afraid of the 2010 elections. They know the liberal express train will be brought to a halt, the same way it was for Clinton, if the Republicans can gain control of the House and pick up a few seats in the Senate.(God Willing)
The Shark---Happy 4th
Shark - they should be afraid of 2010, but the problem is the republicans have turned into a bunch of wimps. Why don't they stand up to this stuff? Sometimes I can feel like all we can do is hang on and watch what happens. Thanks for stopping by and Happy 4th!
I'm not going to say anything that can be refuted as being inaccurate. Just say I found your hub very, very interesting. I agree there are 3 (at least) general categories of left-leaning people. The terms Liberal and Leftist seem to be used interchangeably -- in much the same way that people often mix up socialism and communism, which are not the same.
You may or may not agree that a similar coding system exists on the other side of the aisle. However, given the outstanding job you've don with this one, I, for one, would love to see you direct your perceptive and writing talents to the GOP and factions therein.
Cheers, MM
Mighty Mom - thanks for the word of praise :) The difference in the way I chose to use the terms leftist and liberal are in the command structure of their actions. Leftists figure out the strategy of how to move their agenda forward and then instruct the liberals in how to do that. The liberals aren't capable of figuring it out on their own. If they were, they wouldn't be content with just taking orders!
And yes, I have observed various catagories of what passes for the GOP. But here is where I can describe what I mean more clearly. For example, one catagory of individual on the "right" that is so obvious is the RINO - Republican In Name Only. If they're a republican in name only then they're not republican, but liberal.
I see individuals as either for freedom and personal sovereignty or against it. Liberal, leftist, right-wing, republican, are terms that everyone assumes to have certain meaning, but they don't. At least not the historical definitions that we were raised with. So I look at a person's actions and statements to determine their true stance, that is for or against true freedom.
Come by anytime. I appreciate your calm candor :)
Agreed. All the terms have shifted in meaning. Still would be very interested in a parallel hub describing the conservative "liberals" (order takers) as well as the rightist equivalent of leftist and who you see as the parallel/equal but opposite to the Democrats. I really think this is a fascinating topic. Even though I personally do not want to wear any of these labels:-). MM
"Even though I personally do not want to wear any of these labels:-)."
Neither do the guys who really are this way :)
Very well described identifications! Thank you for expressing your definitions so well.
Great hub defines the enemy very well!
Thanks Tex - thanks for stopping by
Very Good Hub Madame X 'preciate it..
Hmrjmr1 - You are most welcome! Come by any time.
Solid analysis. I tend to lump the "Democrats" with the other two groups but I am open to your assessment. They are probably a part of that group that did vote for Obama, but are in retreat over the health care regime that Obama wants to impose. Keep up the good work.
Bibowen - Actually, I have met VERY few real democrats. They usually fall into the first or last category . . . sigh . . . thanks for stopping by.
What about socialists? You left me out ... is it because I am from Kanaghistan? (joking about the last part)
"Socialist" is not a unified status. If you are a liberal socialist you obey the orders of leftist socialists. If you are a leftist socialist, you give orders to liberal socialists. Which are you?
I agree their goal is to control and manipulate and deprive people of their rights when they don't do, say, or think what you want them to, when they disagree with your agenda, when they disagree.
You can see this concept in action from the white house gathering emails to making deals with the drug companies on one hand (-claiming nothing was given them in return) & all the while trying to demonize the evil insurance companies on the other hand (wonder what deals the insurance companies got too? as they are way to quiet in this national debate). In the end most rational American see right through all the bs but the zombies um er Liberals well they ride in on their golden buses... I guess we will see who has the gonads in the end my bet is on the true American people who love this country :) Great hub!
Envoy - you make an excellent point, that the insurance companies are mysteriously quiet under the current circumstances - good call. And I agree with you, the American people will win out in the end. Glad you enjoyed the hub and thank you for your kind words
Madame,where have you been all my life? ps. I am 77 years old! I am locked on to this statement.
"President Obama’s proposal for a new legal system in which terrorism suspects could be held in “prolonged detention” inside the United States without trial would be a departure from the way this country sees itself!
Am I the only one who has heard the Obama media talk about protesters as Right Wing Terrorists.. NOTE THAT WORD TERRORIST.... FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS IN GREAT PERIL IF THOSE WHO SPEAK OUT ARE terrorism suspects! Folks, they are not TERRORISTS and not even SUSPECTED terroists..
DO WE WANT THE MARXIST THUGS TO DECIDE WHO AND WHAT DEFINES TERRORIST?
greatAmerican - it is always a pleasure to hear from a real American. No, you're not the only one who has heard about Obama's redefinition of who makes up the backbone of America, and therefore real freedom. They'd do it if they could. America has been the thorn in their totalitarian hide for 233 years. But the dragon is awakening. Take heart. Thanks for your support.
It has been a mighty long time since I met the kind of Democrat you are describing. The bunch in Washington seem to be preoccupied with ramming legislation down our throats and staying in power forever. Great HUB!
pop - yes, I know. All the dems I've met who were as I described are now conservative - that is, for personal freedom for everybody, not just them. Thanks for stopping by.
loved this hub! great job--well written and soooooo dead on!
Thanks americhick - it's always nice to converse with some one who can see through the haze - Welcome!
Madamex
Ghost32 wrote - "Madame X, you are to HubPages as Ann Coulter is to hardcover publishing and the world of talk show appearances. I'm sitting here (after reading this Hub and the various Comments) with a smile threatening to break into a grin. Keep up the good work."
I couldn't agree more
There is one more thing that puzzles me
At least half of the people Obama appointed had problems with their taxes, including tax cheat Tim Geithner (who now as Secretary of the Treasury is also the head of the IRS)
Where is the mainstream media on all of this?
Instead they frivolously go after Sarah Palin like she was one of the Manson women. She is not in power anymore and doesn't have any affect on our future (unlike tax cheat Tim), yet the attacks continue. What's up with this??
I believe that it is the intense hatred that leftists have for any strong and independent view opposed to theirs who calls them out on their misdeeds and injustices.
I agree with your assessment of the Palin situation. As for the media, they're owned lock, stock and barrel by a handful of powerful interests that have a specific agenda (to RULE THE WORLD!!!) - never mind that once that agenda is achieved, they'll be bored and need something else to do. But evil is like that - stupid and completely without creativity. Anyway, thanks for the wonderful compliments and your support.
Very well stated definitions Madame. I agree with each one. I'm fascinated that someone described it as a hate ad. I didn't see anything hateful in this hub.
You also stated very clearly at the beginning that this was your take based on your personal experience. It's strange that bothers people, especially when there are hubs written from many viewpoints based on personal beliefs and experiences.
PJ - to describe something as a 'hate ad' when there is no hate displayed, is just another meme. He's either a leftist, and thought that up on his own, or a liberal, in which case he's acting out what he's been programmed to do. It helps enormously to know the definition of 'hate' though. Then you can make up your own mind.
I would never presume to speak for others and always base my statements on my own experience and observation, which is not a group activity. Some people really hate that :)
Thanks for your take on it PJ, and thanks for posting.
Wow, you really stirred up a hornet's nest with this Hub! That's okay. I like it. I wish I was "politically educated" to the point of being able to actually debate. There's so much I still don't understand, but the basics of this article are clear. Thank you very much.
donotfear - love your name :) and thanks for your input. For myself, I certainly don't claim to know it all but I do know where I stand morally - it seems the rest comes easily after that. Try out the Politics Forum. It can be a lot of fun and I would look forward to seeing you there :)
Madam X, you are Xtraordinary... This Hub was written over 4 months ago and the relevance to the present is astounding...such prescience, such clear, concise, and intelligent articulation of the progressive agenda...
Your response to Lita was precious...reading all the comments ( and your articulate responses ) made it very clear to me that many share the same concerns and have armed themselves with knowledge, such as so well presented here...We survived 8 years of Clinton, we can survive 4 years of Obama...Thanks, Larry
Larry - Your calm intelligence always steadies me. Thank you for your kind words of praise. It has come down to each individual's actions for me. Words are over, since they have no common meaning anymore - at least for some. I look at what a person does and how they do it and then decide from there if they support true freedom, or this Nazistic hell we're all headed for. Thanks for coming by.
Well written. While I count myself of neither party I tend to be a little left of center. You are correct in your thinking of 3 parts of the Democratic party with the Leftists and Liberals out there in LALA land. Regular Dems and regular Repubs can always work something out. It is the extreme 2 ends of the spectrum that attempt to screw it up for everyone else. LOL. Great hub.
PubliusRed - yeah, those who want to work it out actually will. What a concept! I'm meeting more and more "real" democrats with this hub than I ever expected - I half thought they no longer existed. Thanks for posting :)
Madame X, You indeed call it like it is! No double talk like politicians! A government without the Constitution will end up a government with turmoil. Turmoil like that unseen since the Civil War. Obama and his cohorts, if not careful will throw this Nation right into a 2nd Civil War.
Kebennett1 - I try to call it as I see it :) I don't think there will be a civil war, at least not with guns. The war front will have a different venue, although I'm not sure what that venue will be :) There's nothing the power-mongers would like better than to have a military state. Self control is the order of the day IMHO. Thanks for stopping by.
I am going to use their "OMG" in a godly way. Oh my God, Madame's post is incredible as well as well written.
It is also thoughtfully provocative. I like Lieberman, and yes, he was the only sane voice when a diabolical shipment was taking place between North Korea and Yemen -- I believe. He was a sane voice in the wilderness and called for us to apprehend the shipment. Liberals here, God bless America, probably sat back and said, "We've not right to interfere with any shipment around the world even in cases where the goods are used to injure and/or defeat the Great Satan which thing liberals are.
Furthermore, I work with a man that is such a chameleon and yet refers to himself as a Christian. When I was out stumping for Palin/McCain he referred to my act as stupid. *Funny thing though, as Madame X might put it, what has he ever done to differentiate himself from anyone else.
Anyone can regurgitate that which is espoused by a textbook(s). It takes a man or woman to make a position of her/himself.
This post has me REALLY fired up! Thanks Madame X
Wow How did I miss out on all this fun? It was true 5 months ago, and it's true today. Great Hub, great comments!
I haven't been a member of Hubpages long and it is taking me some time to sift through so many writings. I have to agree with you on this and yet understand that it happens on the other side as well. Ideology is embedded in us and we can't let go of it until a true, articulate, common sense argument is presented; and yet our life experiences and open-mindness is essential to be rational in understanding the concepts involved. Then, emotion sets in and we loose perspective of what is being argued. When this happens all rational dialogue is destroyed. My father-in-law, admittedly is a liberal yet we can discuss his views and he hears mine. We haven't been able to change each others views yet and doubt we will but when logic is interjected with sound facts, he admits that the argument makes sense. It is just that he truly believes that society would be better served with this ideology for our own human development. This would mean more government to regulate our daily lives and more powers granted to them. Then where does it stop? Start with an open mind, be respectful and put your best argument on the table (with real facts) then maybe issues would be resolved. Great hub!!
I agree with you in logic and in practice, but not in experience, I guess that's the best word. I see these people as destroying not only my rights but everyone's rights with their "ideology" and I can't - I won't tolerate it. They are the enemy - either through ignorance or malice. Perhaps you've heard the saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". This a perfect example of that.
I appreciate your calm reason ehern33, as I tend to get rather excited over this subject. But as they say (I seem to be full of old sayings tonight) "if you're not outraged you're not paying attention". I guess this is one subject I just can't take lying down. Thanks for your calm voice :)
Madame X, I truly understand as my own experiences and ancestors have taught me well and you probably are at your best when calm and can think through things cleary and precisely. Emotions tend to cloud the mind. THEN, if all else fails, write a Hub! ;-) Many do not see the writing on the wall, I am glad you are not one of those.
ehern - thanks for your kind words. There are lots of times when the writing on the wall a foot high and I don't see it - but in this case I feel like it leaped off the wall and knocked me down! Nice to know I'm not alone :)
I'm not sure JFK Democrats even exist! Even JFK believed in cutting taxes! The democrats today have no such belief. They believe government is the answer to all our problems, that we must all contribute for the "good" of society! But who decides what is "good" for society? It seems only the people in power, the democrats in congress! This country was founded upon individual freedom and that seems to have been forgotten! Good Hub Madame!
Poppa - They want total government control and the sheep-like liberals think that's a great idea. People actually go out of their way to help other people when they feel secure in their own individualism, but liberals aren't exactly what I would call "secure". If they were, they wouldn't need a group to reassure them that their thinking is acceptable. And yeah, it's very rare to meet a JFK democrat. Thanks for your astute comments :)
tony0724 says:
6 months ago
All I can say Is get ready for the liberal attack machine ! I am an anamoly , I am a democrat with conservative values mixed In .