Kurt  says:
11 months ago

So ineresting to me those who frequently label things as "scams" usually spend more of their time pointing fingers than achieving success. Robert J. McNulty, the CEO and founder has an incredible track record, if you research it, starting with his service as a U.S. Navy Seal. This is a most solid publicly traded company with generous stock options. It's the ONLY network marketing company IN EXISTENCE that has a stand alone product: a representative just selling the service alone, with zero recruitment, could realistically make 6 or 7 figures per year. Usually 'stone throwers' have an alternate income opportunity to promote, do you? Thanks but no thanks. I and hundreds of top, proven names in the Networking industry are giving Local Ad Link the absolute top priority it deserves. The word SCAM is not a relative term. I suggest you learn it's appropriate definition and apply it accordingly as it is most offensive when you direct it towards something that is it's polar opposite.

Kurt

Your AdLink Guru  says:
11 months ago

The author of this post seems to be a smart internet marketer but he has missed some very important points in his comments about LocalAdLink.

Is it a scam?

Can it compete with PPC ?

I run one of those so called legitimate companies you’re referring to who charges a 20% management fee which means that over 80 cents of every dollar actually goes to the purchase of Google clicks. I make tons of money for Google ..what do I get?

I have to sell again and again to get income…other words Google has no residual income so I sell LocalAdLink in addition to servicing those clients who can afford PPC.

Local Ad Link pays a 50% commission and then other compensation (MLM structure) and they pay their bills and then they theoretically turn a profit. So, how much money is actually being used to buy Google clicks for the end customer?  NONE they are not a PPC management company they compete with PPC companies

You say ask any legitimate company to compare their service to the Local Ad Link packages.

My name is Paul Croskrey I am a SEO and SEM trainer for LocalAdLink.

I also own www.seo-tribal.com a website design and search engine marketing company.

I am volunteering a comparison.

I will also help you or anyone else understand the truth about LocalAdLink.

You stated that LocalAdLink is a scam for many reasons. Yet I see as a reseller of Advertising and as an advertiser a strong value in the LocalAdLink Service.

My company advertises for several hundred companies, for this discussion I will tell you about a Mortgage Loan Lead generation website I manage. I use organic search results, PPC and LocalAdLink to drive consumers to the website.

I use the keywords "Mortgage Loan" in my paid for campaigns

You say do the math?

My average cost for PPC for this selected keyword is $14.00 to $27.00 depending on the time of day.  When I offer my professional PPC services I charge 20% as a service fee on top of that.

When I offer LocalAdLink I make 50% without charging a service or management fee.

Compare PPC to LocalAdLink

The Mortgage Loan lead generation website is advertised on LocalAdLink for $199.00 per month of which I get 50% back as a commission selling the advertisement.

My cost is less than $100.00 per month for 50 zip codes. Compare that with “yellowpages.com”  To get the same apples for apples with Yellowpages.com it would cost me over $500 per month for my mortgage website and I get no commissions or stock options from them unlike LocalAdLink I get both commissions and stock options. 

For the same out of my pocket expense of less than $100 for a Google PPC campaign I would get less than 7 leads then add the service or management fee if I used an outside company.

Most companies cannot afford PPC in the first case. LocalAdLink’s customers are both those who have a website and those who do not.  I would say more so for the ones who do not have a website.  For $199.00 per month they can have web presence and have an online working Advertisement with online analytics you can see anytime just like a $20,000 website.   

For the same $100 on LocalAdLink I have been getting 20 to 30 clicks per day.

I can see the traffic on my website in my analytics and it shows I have been getting on my mortgage lead generation website over 200 conversions from LocalAdLink traffic per month since I have been using it and its been only two months.

200 times $14.00. Do the math! I would have to pay Google over $2800.00 to get the same traffic that I pay less than $100 for. That’s NOT a SCAM! That’s a DEAL!!!

Why does this work so well?

You really think that I can pay $100 out of my pocket to LocalAdLink and they are going to pay $14.00 per click to place me on Google? They will not pay anything to place me on Google just like I do not charge my clients to make their website show up in organic search results on Google. It is a by product of a well built website (ad on LocalAdLink) to show up organically.  Its is both the on page optimization and the off page optimization that make LocalAdLink work. Its not a PPC that makes LocalAdLink work

Here is a small list of search engines my LocalAdLink Ad is getting organic traffic from.

Google.com

aol.com

yahoo.com

myspace.com

altavista.com

Comcast.com

MSN.com

CNN.com 

Additionally I am getting traffic other than search engines websites over 100 so far from LocalAdLink. I can see in my LocalAdLink analytics that I am getting thousands of impressions from hundreds of websites I can also see the conversion rate.

How is it that LocalAdLink can place my ad on all these domains and hundreds or even thousand more without doing PPC?

First off let’s be sure that LocalAdLink does not need to do any PPC to promote any business advertising. It has over 1,000,000 domains and over 20,000,000 web pages that LocalAdLink pushes your ad out to as an impression. This is where you will get 90 % of your LocalAdLink supported traffic when you start your ad but as the Search engine index your ad it will show up organically as soon as two days.

As time goes by you will see more conversions coming from search engine keyword requests then seeing the ad in a impression

LocalAdLink itself has over 30,000 links going to it. This connection is created by the relationship with Beyond Commerce who owns iSUPPLY.com and BOOMJ. Their affiliations with over 100 high profile websites like CNN in addition to the Beyond Commerce portfolio creates link strategies that push LocalAdLink ads to top placements in search engines. It’s done all organically.

Google cannot accomplish this strategy and if they could would they let you sell it and make 50% commissions? Would they offer any stock options?  No they don’t>

I see everyday people trying to compare a PPC Google impression with a LocalAdLink ad. When you have all the right information and the right comparisons you will see LocalAdLink is a solution to high cost PPC hand down.

Most people run in to problems making an ad when they do not know how to make content or pick good keywords. When they do the ad will not perform well.

I see it all the time as a trainer that is why I train people how to make better ads on LocalAdLink

The ads I create on LocalAdLink show up in many search engines outside the zip codes I picked to use because I can build the ad well using the tools they provide and since its linked so well one of my ads show up organically in over 15 search engines in 14 countries organically.

As well as an impression in over 1,000,000 domains most are with a PR of 3 or more.

How can it do that?

For many reasons but the best one is link strategies provided by the LocalAdLink operation. Your ad is a website and it is placed in the network that LocalAdLink provides thus making your ad and your website if linked higher organic placements in search engines.

I can prove this beyond a doubt not just for my personal ads sales I placed for my company but thousands of ads my team and I have placed on LocalAdLink.

Now let’s look at the MLM effect or really it should be called Viral Marketing because that best explains the process of selling ads and recruiting the LocalAdLink Opportunity.

It’s really Viral Marketing because of this aspect. I buy an advertisement for my business from LocalAdLink and it works. I tell several of my friends who own business that I bought an ad from an online advertising company. I tell them how its works for less than $100.00 per month.

They in turn try it out and when it works they tell others just like I did. This is called viral marketing. The benefit to me as a buyer of LocalAdLink advertising is that if I tell only 5 people and they buy an ad mine cost me nothing. This is viral marketing not MLM.

When LocalAdLink is sold in this manner it will only create good will.

You can make serious money selling advertising I know I sell it every day.

What LocalAdLink offers is an alliance with the consumers of their product.

By offering a Binary payout with a product that every business consumes like advertising you create a wealth building opportunity from the effect of the binary payout plan they u

Noe Longoria  says:
11 months ago

I don't know if I would compare Mr. McNulty to Timothy McVeigh. One was a killer. The other is a businessman who has had his share of failures while making more than his fair share of millions. You have to respect the man for his accomplishments too.

At the moment, I am waiting to see where this company goes. I started out with lots of enthusiasm and now find myself very dissapointed. Here is why.

1. Ads don't appear on the Local Adlinks website when searching by zip code. Or at least not all paid ZIP codes. Even after 30 days. Everyone knows it takes time for an ad to get pushed out to the search engines, but when it doesn't even appear on the paid web portal, that's a bigger problem.

2. There is no guarentee your ad will be pushed out to the search engines.

3. Tech support is non existent. Phone calls are directed to a voice recording telling you to submit an email support request. Emails are not answered. If they are, it may take no less than a week. Clients want an answer yesterday.

4. I'm very dissapointed in the company's decision to auto-deposit commissions into a debit card system they chose rather into my personal checking account. Initially I liked the idea until I saw all the inflated ATM fees associated with the banking service they chose for me. I think I would have preferred PayPal. At least you can transfer money for free.

I can not in good faith sell this product. Especially if my clients start complaining. I'll be taking all the heat with nobody with real answers to turn to. They promised to roll out a solution, but I'm still waiting.

Is Local Adlink reasonably priced? Yes it is. If it worked 100% of the time, it would be an absolute bargain.

Does it perform as promised? No it doesn't. I checked with others who are selling the service and they share the same frustrations.

Some will argue that the company is still in "soft launch." True. But the reality is that people are paying "hard money" for something that may or may not work. When dealing with potential clients, I always give full disclosure. Call me stupid, but you'll never call me dishonest. Unfortunately, I've lost sales. But I've never lost anyone's respect and that is something you can never buy.

When things improve I will reconsider. If I get dropped from the program after six months of inactivity, that's OK. I found out I don't have to pay the $350 sign up fee. I can sign up for free as an Account Executuve and become a Brand Builder after $1000 in direct sales. That should be a snap once the service performs as promised.

For now, I will sit, wait, and watch. And that's OK because I have other things to do.

Sara  says:
11 months ago

This perspective is from from a Local Ad Link representative and a business owner - and it's definitely NOT pro-LocalAdLink. Local Ad Link has deplorable customer support. There is no phone number to reach anyone other than a computer . . . I have attempted to reach Local Ad Link multiple times through their support desk, and their phone system, regarding a billing error - their mistake, not mine. This error has already cost me $199.95 plus an additional $178 in bank charges. Do you think LocaL Ad Link has corrected their error? Of course not! So, their error is costing me money, but they're benefiting from the money they take from others to build their business and brag. They'll go to their fancy hoopla in Las Vegas this coming weekend and tell of all the money they're pulling in - my guess is that the money they're making is at the expense of many unsuspecting reps and business owners. I became a representative for Local Ad Link because I know some businesses will purchase Local Ad Link for the convenience of it. Different strokes for different folks. It's not up to me decide what product is good for a business. A lot of people will pay a premium for convenience. Not everyone wants to manage their PPC campaigns, nor do they know how - or know of the other options available to them. So, Local Ad Link seemed to be a solution for a certain niche. I say "seemed to be" because I tested the waters by running my own ad - and discovered that Local Ad Link doesn't always deliver the advertising a business owner purchases. In my case, they've charged me for an ad but I have yet to see it. And, we're past their 72 hour window - the time when the advertiser pays for their ad but Local Ad Link isn't contractually obligated to display the ad - well, apparently, Local Ad Link doesn't feel they need to display the ad after 72 hours, either! It's been 6 days since I ordered my ad. And my ad is still not on their website, or in my Back Office. In other words, since I've paid Local Ad Link for an ad and it's not being displayed anywhere, that's the most expensive advertising I've ever seen! I may as well have thrown my money down the drain . . . and, yes, you guessed it . . . Local Ad Link support is not hurrying to correct the problem. Why should they? They have my money. As far as the business opportunity goes - when you become a rep for Local Ad Link as a BB, you purchase approximately $1,000 in ad inventory that you are supposed to be able to use as a credit towards ads for yourself, or for other business owners, as an incentive to use Local Ad Link. I wanted to test the system, so I used some of my ad inventory for the ad I referred to above - and I was charged $199.95 for the ad anyway! So, the claim of Local Ad Link ad inventory being available is clearly bogus. Otherwise, why was I charged $199.95 for my ad? When I contacted Local Ad Link for support, they actually told me that they didn't charge me! Yeah, right! My bank just made up the charge and somehow erroneously sent the $199.95 to Local Ad Link out of the goodness of their heart? They must think I believe in the Local Ad Link Tooth Fairy too! Gimme a break! How stupid does Local Ad Link think people are? Local Ad Link also keeps plugging in additional income streams that benefit the company, and not reps or business owners. Now, I have no problem with someone promoting affiliate products. We're all in business to make money. Local Ad Link selling vista products and cutting edge media leads is their prerogative but, get this . . . they're actually charging their reps $1 to view the salespage of cutting edge media! Amazing, but true. They don't even tell their reps. what cutting edge media is until after the reps pay Local Ad Link for the privilege of reading a salespage! Unbelievable! I could go on and on, but I have to run for an appointment. I'll sum this up by saying this - I don't think most Local Ad Link representatives have a clue about what they're selling. And, form what I've seen, they're ONLY selling a business opportunity built on sand - there's no product behind their claims that is worth what they're charging - in my case, I've spent almost $800 between charges, bank fees, and ad credits and have not seen any product at all. Their customer service is sub par, to say the least - for representatives and business owners alike. Network marketing is a sound business model, but some companies sell hype and not good products too - they bring in people to sell their opportunity - people who don't know how inferior their product is. The company keeps their money and, of course, the reps can't get a refund. Network marketing companies that treat others like this usually go out of business. I can only hope that Local Ad Link is exposed for what they are, and that others do not lose as much money as I did! Oh, btw, I also brought 3 reps into the company - when I still trusted their hype - and was to be paid $130 for my efforts - and, guess what happened? No surprise here - they didn't pay me on time - I received payment nearly 2 weeks late - and I was sent a debit card with outrageous fees attached to it for future payments - like a $3.50 per month privilege fee, .50 per transaction fees - and a whole list of other charges for each withdrawal, etc. - guess who thinks that's a "convenient" way to pay their reps? Yep, Local Ad Link - who is undoubtedly making money on these fees while their reps are paying to help this company be profitable until they go public in a year or so. And, of course, future payments to reps is based on continuous ad sales - you know, selling those ads that don't get placed, and then having the reps handle the complaints from their customers, since no one can reach customer support. How long do you think ethical reps will continue to sell for Local Ad Link? Not long . . .and we all know who will keep the money earned by those reps - yep, the company: Local Ad Link. In my experience, all I've seen is that Local Ad Link collects fees on everything, doesn't deliver their ads within their alloted timeframe, doesn't pay their reps according to their contracted agreement, doesn't investigate their support inquiries or answer them with reasonable solutions - and treats their reps and business advertisers like they're idiots.

Your AdLink Guru  says:
11 months ago

Stan, I see your point as well as understand your issue with LocalAdLink.

It is too bad they have had a 3% growth rate everyday since December.

Most companies would fallover backwards and die if they had they much growth.

I see a problem I fix it I belive that LocalAdLinks owner Beyond Commece who has two very effecient operations other than LocalAdLink. One being iSUPPY and the other BoomJ. I hope you now see the connection between LocalAdLink and the 1,000,000 plus webpages that I mentioned before.

If you had a pubicly traded company Like Beyond Commerce with Millions invested into LocalAdlink that you would do it to steal people money? Albeit they have some issues and are in BETA testing with over 30,000 users and have not publily announce thier grand opening that some issues might arise like what you have read from many.

Lets put you into position to own such a operation would you just let it crash and burn or would you invest people and money to get rid of the problems?

Imagine for one moment that your phone rang 10,000 times a day and you only had 80 people working for you and your still in beta testing and buildout of the project. Sure thier will be some problems and hiccups that cause the average person tons of grief over thier issues.

That does not mean it will not work or has no chance in this world of advertising.

What I see most in mesaages from LocalAdLink Associates since I am a trainer that many reps just do not understand how to make a good website let alone ad content. Even though LocalAdLink provide real good tools it still requires some knowlege of SEO and SEM to make well done ads that produce not just clicks but conversions.

As far as Lending Tree is concerned they are a competitor of one of my clients why would I want to teach them about my tricks. If they are smart they will see LocalAdLink as I do and that is it provides very strong link stratigies that help allow for better organic placement of the linked website. This lowers the overall costs of online marketing through organic search results. It will not eliminate the need for PPC for large companies like Lending Tree but for smaller operations like your average business owner who does not have thousands to invest in the development of websites let alone do a PPC.

I do have a strong back gound and do understand the difference between clicks and conversions. I make my money from the conversions not the clicks. That is why I seek to promote my clinets websites through organic search results instead of continuing the PPC nightmare as they call it, increasing the need for them to keep me as a service provider.

I will help any LocalAdLink Rep who has issues just call me I will help you.

Don't let people who motives might be to disprove LocalAdLink to save thier PPC management business like the person who started this thread.

After all why would he be doing PPC to promote this blog?

Paul Croskrey

209-586-4769

Ted  says:
11 months ago

I have to weigh in on a couple points on this discussion that I feel are pretty far off base.

Local Ad Link is not a search engine placement company, period.

Any discussion of effectiveness or lack thereof in this area is moot since SEO and engine based placement is not the business model or function of this company.

Over an extended period of time and with the law of large numbers assisting as the company grows its brand and portal over the coming months and years, it is absolutely reasonable to think that our clients will have their listings or websites increase in organic search engine rank over where they were when our relationship began, but that is not our guarantee, claim or active function.

Any debate over whether the company is effective or not in this area is a waste of words since this is NOT what it does. In fact it doesn't even represent that as our service.

If the company chooses to do any PPC for its clients, especially while in BETA soft launch and growing its corporate and online infrastructure, why would that not be a bonus service to the client if it is indeed occurring rather than a "scandal" or misrepresentation in any way.

We are being paid to expose our clients to local consumers on the internet and doing PPC as an extra service when it is not our function would add to the represented level of service and value, not detract from it.

Frankly, PPC is more an art form than a predictable form of advertising, causing many legitimate well intentioned businesses heavy losses instead of the intended quality targeted exposure. In fact, "click fraud" by unethical competitors and unknowledgeable surfers cause great risk to those businesses willing to engage in PPC advertising.

This can be a financial nightmare for the small business person on a limited budget.

Frankly, I think the $14 figure quoted earlier for someone to just CLICK on an ad ONCE with no assurance or representation of becoming a viable lead for the advertiser is outrageous, but that's what the market bears for some industries.

Whether a few consumers click on our advertiser's ad or a few hundred thousand do so, we provide our service to our client at a controllable fixed cost, a real value in the marketplace and one of a very few fixed cost options in online advertising.

Our client suffers no waste of their advertising dollar if someone clicks just to surf around with no sincere interest in our client's service.

This doesn't mean PPC is a fraud or a scam as is being claimed by the author about Local Ad Link...it simply means that PPC is not a satisfactorily predictable form of advertising for any company with a limited budget. And I didn't say COMPLETELY unpredictable...I said less than satisfactorily.

What Local Ad Link DOES provide is a low priced fixed cost alternative for a large amount of exposure specifically to the targeted local market consumers of our client businesses, specializing in "budget limited" small businesses that previously had little to no viable option available to them for online marketing.

Many of our clients don't even have an existing website, so our listing of their business actually increases the value of our service beyond this discussion for that large group of clients.

The vast majority of clients who DO have their own website either do nothing to drive traffic to it or are simply throwing cash at marketing without any measuring stick to help them determine value or performance.

By any measuring stick, Local Ad Link's service is a hugely valuable option in the advertising industry that historically is staggeringly overpriced, especially considering hardly any of it is performance based or targeted in any way for the advertiser.

A small Yellow Pages display ad (1/16th page to be precise) in one medium sized market in my area costs over $600 a month, similar for the online version...the same Yellow Pages ad in my local community of only 30,000 residents is priced at $400 a month...and the only way a consumer will see that ad is IF they go to actively search for a business of the type of that advertiser IN that local Yellow Pages book. Many people just recycle them and never open them once these days, using the internet to find what they are looking for.

Local Ad Link will attempt to expose our client advertisers to consumers who may already have a legitimate interest or need for their service BEFORE they go searching for a provider through contextual reading technology, a large partnership website network, and other outside partners as well...but UNLIKE PPC, they will provide this service with a fixed cost rather than charging our client every time someone wants to LOOK at their listing or website as is the currently accepted but unreasonable (IMO) model of PPC. Even in the content network, when someone clicks on a google ad, the advertiser pays yet again.

Newspaper? Not only are the rates very high for anything of any exposure value, but readership in print media of all types is going down faster and faster as the internet continues to grow in its use to the everyday consumer.

Radio? Even costlier, much more so with higher listener bases and during the most desirable times of the day or evening. Again, out of reach for most small businesses, so they are once again left with no option.

TV? TOTALLY Unrealistic for most businesses...and consider that Tivo, DVR, and the consumer instinct to change channels has made this almost worthless for anything other than national branding, making this also totally out of reach to the small business person.

To top all these points off, none of the advertising in any of these traditional mediums can remotely be considered targeted. It's shotgun advertising, not strategic marketing, and terribly overpriced for several decades up to this point.

Anyone who has taken more than a sweeping pass through the advertising industry knows all of this to be totally on point.

If LAL were a PPC management firm, the statements in the above posts regarding comparitive cost in the marketplace could be at least partially legitimate, but since this is not the case, these statements are not relevent.

The company doesn't promise any specific placement on google or any engine and specifically warns representatives that making claims of such are against company policy and can result in termination and loss of any business built by that rep.

As to the "warnings" about Bob McNulty, these should be looked at with a very skeptical eye.

I submit that most every successful business person on the planet has had far more failures or mistakes in their experience along the way to building their career.

At least that's consistent with many statements made by people like Warren Buffet, Robert Kiyosaki, and Donald Trump who specifically has failed very publically several times. If you don't like those examples, read any successful person's biography to find a littany of failures or mistakes along the way to their "overnight success".

What can truthfully be said of Mr. McNulty is that several times in the past couple decades he has recognized a coming trend and created fabulous business successes that served the companies he created, those who helped him create them, the stockholders, and most importantly the public consumer who ultimately decides with their wallet if any company fails or succeeds.

Included in his business resume are 2 very prominent successes that grew into the hundreds of millions of dollars and 1 that grew to a billion dollar enterprise.

IMO, that's someone to consider following.

With over 30,000 client advertisers in less than 120 days, the market is proving there is a strong desire for a product like that of Local Ad Link. It simply fills

Stan K  says:
11 months ago

Paul,

Why can't you answer the questions in a public forum? You require a private call? Probably wise on your part. You can't spin your victims in this forum, but I'm sure you do a great job on the phone.

The questions remain unanswered and your claims completely unfounded. As far as Beyond Commerce, the truth is not slander. You still have the opportunity to publish your side of the story - can you begin by answering the simple questions and backing up your amazing claims?

Stan K  says:
11 months ago

Here are other helpful threads that expose Local Ad Link:

http://www.forestmarie.com/why-localadlink-is-a-sc

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=80303

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/423/RipOff04

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/427/RipOff04

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/430/RipOff04

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/deal-discussion/88

Your AdLink Guru  says:
11 months ago

Stan, I did you just can't see the writing on the wall.

All I see is a person with a problem.

get a life

Andrew  says:
11 months ago

Here's something interesting I found on someone else's post...

Why does this Multi-Million dollar corporation only have $29k in it's bank account? That's some bad management. Although...$1,700,000 in assets ain't bad, but that's probably mostly inventory and the 'worth' of their website because $1,000,000 is coming from some prepaid loans. This is essentially interest to them. So where is this $1M money coming from? I'm thinking Local Adlinks' hopeful customers. If that's true, then that would mean that Local Adlink is the only real company they have that's bringing money to the company. That would debunk the 'magnificent' business of BoomJ.com being that that part of the company is only worth $600k.

- of course this is from a 5 minute breakdown but you can see where this can start leading to some potential sketchy..ness.

BOOMJ, INC. CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED BALANCE SHEET As of September 30, 2008 Unaudited ASSETS Current assets : Cash $ 28,209 Accounts receivable 68,265 Prepaid loan cost 973,013 Other current assets 5,316 Total current assets $ 1,074,803 Property, website and computer equipment 871,180 Less: Accumulated depreciation and amortization (271,907 ) Property, website and equipment - net $ 599,273 Other 63,671 Total assets $ 1,737,747 LIABILITIES AND STOCKHOLDERS’ DEFICIT Current liabilities: Short term borrowings, net $ 2,191,842 Accounts payable - trade 1,148,555 Other current liabilities 620,142 Total current liabilities $ 3,960,539 Commitments and contingencies Stockholders’ Deficit : Common stock, $0.001 par value, 75,000,000 shares authorized, $ 40,725 40,724,139 issued and outstanding Additional paid in capital 11,752,178 Accumulated deficit ( 14,015,695 ) Total Stockholders' deficit $ (2,222,792 ) Total Liabilities and Stockholders' Deficit $ 1,737,747

Camping Dan  says:
11 months ago

I prefer to work with PPC management companies that charge a flat out fee to set up and maintain my account. This way I can see exactly how much clicks are costing me and see my own reports from Google. If they are doing a great job then their fee is money well spent.

Your AdLink Guru  says:
11 months ago

Stan. I am not afraid to show in a public forum how it works. Here is that list you asked for. I can prove it too just ask me to.

Here is the current list by Top Referers for just one of my clients who ad is less than 30 days old. let me see you geta website to do that for $100.00

google.com aol.com ask.com comcast.net localadlink.com mywebsearch.com doubleclick.net information.com pricerunner.com berlington.com kaboodle.com retailmenot.com conduit.com best-price.com insiderpages.com myway.com berlingtoncoatfactory.com localadlink.net babydepo.com burlingtonscoatfactory.com verizon.net rr.com burlingtonbabydepot.com burrlingtoncoatfactory.com bulington.com peoplepc.com googlesyndication.com dogpile.com burlingtioncoatfactory.com burligtoncoatfactory.com alot.com burlingtoncoatfacory.com burlingtoncostfactory.com killerstartups.com pch.com bearshare.com burltoncoatfactory.com pronto.com incredimail.com swagbucks.com webcrawler.com mapquest.com domainmall.com infospace.com burlingtonbaby.com burlingtondepartmentstore.com burglintoncoatfactory.com wwwburlingtoncoatfactory.com burlingtoncoatandfactory.com wowway.net 365currency.com daemon-search.com myspace.com burlingtongcoatfactory.com zoomtown.com bulingtoncoatfactory.com ndparking.com windstream.net yahoo.com burlingtoncoatfactorie.com burlingtonbabyregistry.com babtdepot.com info.com m5prod.net brulingtoncoatfactory.com findarticles.com mediacomtoday.com ehow.com burlingtoncoatfactorty.com brlingtoncoatfactory.com shopping.com burlingtoncoatfactiry.com burlintonscoatfactory.com burlingtincoatfactory.com burlingtoncoatfacotory.com babydepoy.com jobster.com faqs.org burlingthoncoatfactory.com wisegeek.com burlingtoncaotfactory.com reference.com burlingtoncoatfactoery.com armstrongmywire.com cheapuncle.com burlingtoncourtfactory.com http://www.google.com./search?hl=en&q=burlington+coat+factory&aq=0&oq=burlingto babycoat.com burlingtonfactorystore.com robisonmay.com burlintons.com burlinghton.com search.com frisgo.com fastbrowsersearch.com bulingtoncoat.com topix.net burlingtoncoatfactories.com factbites.com burlingtoncoatoutlet.com univision.com yelp.com macraesbluebook.com bullingtoncoatfactory.com berlintoncoatfactory.com burlintonfactory.com burlingtoncoatfctory.com http://www.google.com./search?hl=en&q=burlington+coat+factory&aq=0&oq=burlington+coat+ charter.net berlingtonfactory.com myembarq.com merchantcircle.com alltheinternet.com excite.com burlingtoncoayfactory.com burlightoncoatfactory.com babydepto.com dealnews.com burligntoncoatfactory.com sweetim.com

over 2300 visits not hits the last 26 days

I got more just as impressive.

124 refering sites you see the top ones that plianly shows results from organic searches in 20 search engines so far. and its less than a month old. what will happen when its 6 months old? by your thoughts we will be outa business but by reading the press release and seeing the results first hand I know they will be a hugh sucess. what will you be?

I teach my team how to do this for thier clients too.

What do you do?

Below is a recent news release you should read it.

Beyond Commerce, Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: BYOC- News) http://www.beyondcommerce.com/, an E-commerce solutions, local advertising and niche social networking company, announced today that http://www.localadlink.com/ has again exceeded its growth expectations. Total revenues of $3,326,000 for the month of February represent an increase of 44% compared with the prior month, and about 80% increase since December 2008. Based on current trends, the Company anticipates the first quarter to be profitable.

"We are creating income opportunities for people who need to make a living to support their families, pay mortgages and put food on the table during these difficult times in our financial lives," stated Chairman and CEO Bob McNulty.

LocalAdLink is a low cost provider of local advertising, selling ads to local businesses through its network and skilled independent ad sales representatives. Exploiting the “people-to-people” business model, LocalAdLink uses a local sales force in order to connect local businesses with local consumers with the goal to develop local marketplaces, helping small businesses grow and reach new geo-targeted customers. This business model has proved successful and the Company now has reached the pathway of profitability. Additionally, the Company has assembled a strong management team across all operating divisions and continually develops innovative technologies.

Bob McNulty said, “Our profitability will even get better when we launch i-SUPPLY, along with other pending technology products and powerful solutions for our valued Advertisers. The vision of Beyond Commerce is to go beyond our “hybrid” platform and to become a meaningful partner for any small or mid-size businesses that want to grow and increase their profits.”

The i-SUPPLY’s E-commerce widget store will enter the market using a beta version 1.0 on thousands of Web sites in late March 2009, offering about 1.8 million brand name products. i-SUPPLY will add an additional revenue stream and be the backbone of the proprietary advertising network the Company is currently developing.

About Beyond Commerce, Inc.

Beyond Commerce, Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: BYOC - News) http://www.beyondcommerce.com/, provides best in class products, services, and solutions by being the low cost provider in its market sector. i-SUPPLY, http://www.i-supply.com/, offers easy to use, fully customizable E-commerce services, and revenue solutions for any Web site, large or small, and hosts local ads, providing extensive reach for our proprietary advertising partner network platform. LocalAdLink, http://www.localadlink.com/, is a local search directory and advertising network that brings local advertising to geo-targeted consumers. BOOMj, http://www.boomj.com/, is the leading niche portal and social networking site for Baby Boomers and Generation Jones.

This did not come from a craker jack box...made in china.....its real stuff!

Paul Croskrey

209-586-4769

www.your-ad-link-guru.com

Stan K  says:
11 months ago

Just in case I wasn't clear before about the nature of the bogus, non-converting traffic that Local Ad Link claims to buy on behalf of its advertisers - there was point to citing the junky pages upon which they CLAIM to advertise. It's low cost, low conversion (conversion means sales/leads) traffic. In Paul's original post about the source of Local Ad Link's "traffic", he stated the following:

"As far as Lending Tree is concerned they are a competitor of one of my clients why would I want to teach them about my tricks. If they are smart they will see LocalAdLink as I do and that is it provides very strong link stratigies that help allow for better organic placement of the linked website. This lowers the overall costs of online marketing through organic search results."

Note he claims that the "link strategies help for better organic placement of the linked placement". This is true. Good link strategie DO help organic placement. There's the smoke, now the mirrors:

Every example he gave was a PAID (not organic) contextual advertising example consistingly of low cost low conversion links. As shown before (examples such as: http://brulingtoncoatfactory.com/), these pages are where Paul gets his traffic from. This is in fact Paid traffic, NOT organic traffic. This is the cheapest and lowest value traffic that money can buy. Anyone can for pennies and that's what it's worth, pennies.

So, why would Local Ad Link buy dirt cheap traffic that costs pennies for thousands of hits?

Local Ad Link needs be able to show it's victims that there is real traffic coming to them in their back office. There is no organic traffic because Local Ad Link is an unestablished directory with a low Page Rank where other FREE directories that are established like Merchant Circle, Hot Frog, and 50+ others have a Page Rank of 6 and up that have been around for years. Did I mention that these High Page Rank directories offer FREE listings. Rather than burn your hard earned cash on bogus Local Ad Link garbage traffic, you're far better off listing your business for FREE in the aforemented reputable locations. Moving on.

Rather than show me examples of his claim that the "organic linking strategy" is the "trick" that drives the traffic, he showed me the real method that Local Ad Link uses to deceive it's "Brand Builders" and advertisers.

In comparison to search traffic or targeted traffic from REAL directories, the Local Ad Link traffic (junk that anyone can buy for 2 cents per 1000 hits), the Local Ad Link traffic is WORTHLESS. Not only is it worthless, but it is intended to deceive.

If I am an advertiser and I see traffic coming onto my web site, then it must be real, right? I am getting the full benefits of internet marketing, right? Wrong. Within minutes, you can go buy 2 million hits for $100 from a number of pop traffic or junk traffic purveyors. Paul showed us that this is exactly what Local Ad Link does to deceive it's advertisers. They pump this garbage into their client's account so they mistakenly believe they are getting real value.

This is why real experiences like these are beginning to surface:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/430/RipOff04

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/429/RipOff04

I'm certain more complaint like these are out there and many more are coming. Note that in each instance, the victim states that they did get some small amount of "traffic", but NOTHING resulted from it. "No leads, no sales". Exactly my point - it's junk traffic that won't provide value. It's all burn - 100%.

I'd like to hear from REAL Local Ad Link advertisers who have monitored and analyzed the bogus traffic rather than hear from the spin doctor con artists that are busy victimizing people with this scam who might sincerely want to start a business. If you are thinking about giving these people your money - don't walk - RUN!

Stan K  says:
11 months ago

Local Ad Link now has an "F" rating with the BBB. Here is a link to the report:

http://www.la.bbb.org/BusinessReport.aspx?CompanyI

Jon Akins  says:
11 months ago

That "F" rating is based on 2 complaints that have gone unanswered. That’s not really significant at all. If this number was greater than 50, the figures could be something to go by. This company has 10,000 active accounts and customers and with only 2 complaints to the BBB is not bad at all seeing that their service isn’t even live yet and will be later on this month.

Stan K  says:
11 months ago

Why wouldn't Local Ad Link respond to complaints? They're too busy working the work at home scam to respond to those pesky BBB complaints. If you are evaluating this "opportunity", I recommend reading the links to the actual customers. Here are a couple of links:

http://localadlinkreview.blogspot.com/2009/03/loca

http://mylocaladlinkjourney.blogspot.com/

If the technical breakdown on this blog doesn't paint the picture, then maybe real experiences from people who have been ripped off will. It astounds me that the Local Ad Link con artists who have been completely exposed, continue to post on this blog.

Joe Rose  says:
11 months ago

Nancy, you can't read? One positive experience amonng hundreds of bad ones..... Plus, 2400 dollars per year can be much better spent on a real approach to having a web presence. Like I said earlier, if LAL would put you on the directory for 15-25 dollars per month - no big deal....but to charge people 200 dollars for ONLY 50 zip codes and THREE search terms is wasteful and not fair.....

Larry  says:
11 months ago

Nancy,

Are you a Local Ad Link rep (Brand Builder)?

Regarding your first post where you accidentally found the Local Ad Link ad online - you're right, those ads appear from time to time, however, many people have found that Local Ad Link rarely lives up to the promises it makes. So, there's a saying that I think applies to the rare occurence of someone actually finding a Local Ad Link advertiser online:

"Even a trash can gets a steak once in a while."

Based on the experiences I've read from people who have bought in to the hype and were consequently burned by Local Link - absolutely, it's a scam. If you read about their so called strategy, it's full of holes - leaving the advertiser and the would be entrepreneur with less a low value service, but a completely empty promise - and wallet.

Cory K  says:
10 months ago

Just a few Points for Stan K and the his crew:

First of all, like some LAL reps the majority of your contributors have no clue.(Joe, $200 = 50 zip codes). Quit being a hypocrite and know what your talking about before you call out others for not knowing what their talking about!! Local Business for local Customers...50 zip codes is plenty! Back to the real reason for my comment.

1)Is LAL a Scam?

NO. quit calling it a scam. I can live with the term misrepresented, but it is not a scam. Anyone on this or reading this knows that LAL is a perfectly functional directory with more offerings and customization/customer control then other directories out there.

You all should also agree on the FACT that LAL ads do show up on 3rd party sites. Which again is more than any other directory can match!

What I can identify with is the FACT that there are LAL reps out there over selling the capabilities of LAL. True, there are a lot of reps that have no clue as to what optimization and Internet advertising is all about. However, you can't deny that for some businesses LAL is a good advertising alternative. Actually, I think Stan made mention to this fact before, so again stop being hypocrites and applying the actions of some, to LAL as a whole. LAL is only 4 to 5 months old and the FACT is that they are going through a beta phase. So, again before everyone judges give them a fair shot.

2)Your call to Competition

LAL is not trying to compete with you or any other optimization companies when it comes to grabbing space on Google. They are offering the customer the ability to tailor their own ad campaign on a local platform with the extra bennift of popping up on several national search engines and informational sites. by the way, at a much more affordable price then most. Again, LAL is only appropriate for some businesses. However, yes in a lot of cases paying a flat fee for fully customized ad campaign on a soon to be very popular directory with the added benefit of occasional exposure on the big stage...would seem much more appealing then the expensive alternatives! Now Stan, don't insert here your cost comparisons per click BS because you're forgetting all the other exposure that the LAL ad might be drawing from other sites plus their own directory. Plus, we all know how expensive pay per click campaigns are which you've failed to offer specifics on. It's funny how LAL can be scrutinized for putting their stuff out there while everyone else hides behind their 20% take. 20% of what??????????

3) Exposure "garbage sites"

Stan this is where your agenda is getting the best of you. Can you honestly sit there and say an ad that was viewed on a national informational site like garden.com or photography.com is garbage? Burlingtoncoatfactory.com might hit the target of some businesses as well. Remember key words???

That's what advertising is all about connecting with someone who might not know they need what you're offering. Targeting the person that might not be wanting to buy, but does because the ran across an ad. ADVERISING!!!!!! It's not perfect and it's not guaranteed.

Wouldn't you like to offer your Photography Studio or freelance Photographer customer the ability to be seen at a local level on national photography site?

Exactly! To some this is not garbage but again your letting your overall agenda cloud your understanding of how this could be important.

4) ROI

Please tell me and all your other readers that you would not pay $100 or even $200 a month if one or two times every couple of months your add draws business from a national site, while the whole time offering you a presence on a local directory where you can customise ad campaigns without the hassle of dealing with you.

If you say no then again your agenda is blinding you to how expensive advertising can be and how if sold the right way LAL is a great alternative for certain LOCAL businesses. Not all businesses. I better through that in there again because you might forget that I mentioned it before,...again not for everybody.

5) Optimization Companies

20%of what????????????

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

BTW, I knew that 200 dollars was 50 zip codes....it was a typo....you will have to excuse me though, I cannot be held accountable, I am in "soft launch" LOL, LOL

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Oh yeah, and to your point about how revolutionary Local Ad Link's directory is. It's not. Hundreds of directories currently exist that are actually effective, estabished, and seen. The reason they are seen is 99% because these directories rank well on Google - Local Ad Link doesn't come close. The Local Ad Link directory is a billboard literally sitting miles away from any real visibility - like a billboard in the middle of a barren desert - no value - more smoke and mirrors.

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

"Back to your reply: "Getting your own website" could idea but what is the cost of web developing today..............$5000, $10000"

One again Cory - you demonstrate no knowledge of anything. If someone is considering LAL and is on a limited budget, then a 3 page website is fine and a much better option, which is what I did....that costs 350-400 bucks....not sure where you pulled out 10 k for a webpage...mb if you are Sprint or IBM, but for Joe the Local Pizza guy who has no web presence, but just wants a simple 3 page webdesign, its cheap to do.

Once again, if you are a genuine internet search expert, you would NOT be advising someone with a 2,400 dollar yearly budget to do LAL.....its plain dumb when there are much better options.....I understand, however, if you are brand builder and your sole goal is to get more people in your "downline" why you would recommend something like that - because you really do not care about that person at all - it is all self-interest - thats fine if that is the way you roll, but remember in the long run, that does not work.

Thinking outside the Box?? You keep acting as if LAL is free....its 200 dollars a month for the higher plan....you can upload photos...big deal. I did that on Google Local and Yahoo Local and it was FREE!! I know, I know, LAL is a directory, I got that...but for the money, it is not a good value at all....the biggest reason being that out of the 200 dollars, much of that goes to paying commissions, etc. I got news for you, I think the more legit web optimization companies are BS too, but for a different reason. If someone knows nothing of Google Ad words or is inept with computers, etc. then those companies are fine. But for many people, like myself, I manage the Google ad words myself and the total of my $150 goes to the ad campaign....its amazing what you can learn from reading.

Oh, and comparing LAL to Microsoft and Apple gave a good chuckle for my commute home...see those are legit companies that sell real products with real services, whereas LAL is a flyby night BS MLM......

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

"I forgot your the spokesperson for all business owners. Yes I'm sure you have the ability to build your own page, but again your not everybody."

Try to follow along Cory - I had someone design my webpage. I know nothing at all of web design - absoultely nothing.....where did you even get that idea from? And, it only cost me like $350 to do so. What I did say is that I manage my Google Ad Words account with no problem....no time....trust me any business owner has enough time to manage an adwords account...its not that big of a deal. And, if they can't then they can hire a legit person to help out, not LAL

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Many online marketing companies design landing pages at no cost in return for a commitment for a REAL online marketing service. Some companies offer free web site design programs in exchange for buying hosting (Yahoo! Inc for example).

To your ridiculous rhetorical question:

"Within google's sponsored ads is it possible for an LAL ad to show up on the 1st page for a search in columbus, ohio and another LAL ad to show up on the 1st page at the same time for a search in Denver regardless of the difference between the two search topics?

I know that might be hard to understand. Basically can multiple LAL ads be driven to google in different cities at the same time?"

You wrote this in the same post in which you were bashing Google Adwords! LOL! FYI, that's the program you have to use to get into Google's sponsored links (shhhh, it's big secret). So, I have a similar question for you:

If Local Ad Link buys Google clicks through the Google Adwords system (which is the only place to buy them for anyone and everyone) as you have suggested, then why is a business better off advertising with Local Ad Link - a company that simply marks up the cost of the same Google clicks that anyone can buy? You suggested in your last post that Local Ad Link is somehow better than Adwords.

Here's an analogy that might help explain the relationship between Local Ad Link and Google Adwords:

Imagine Toyota had a factory direct car dealership along with many independent Toyota dealers that offered some value add services (while marking up the price of the Toyotas they sell), but the Toyota factory offered cars and dealerships to virtually anyone at the exact same factory direct prices. Now imagine a new Toyota dealer comes out and discredits the idea of buying Toyotas directly from the factory at wholesale, and bashes the Toyota product by talking about their flaws. Then that same new Toyota dealer who bashed the Toyota product, resells the same exact cars that it buys for the same wholesale price offered to anyone BUT at 10 times the markup of any other dealer in existence. And, in many instances, this new Toyota dealer actually failed to actually deliver the Toyota after it had been purchased.

Toyota = Google

New Dealer = Local Ad Link

I'm really trying to make this clear, but it is confusing - Local Ad Link bashes Google while it buys from Google to resell to its advertisers.

Well, Local Ad Link doesn't really actually buy any significant clicks from Google, but by throwing some sponsored links out there, they can say they are promoting businesses on Google. Local Ad Link advertisers aren't seeing any benefit whatsoever from the very few Google clicks they purchase with the exception of the Brand Builders and "Trainers" that come to these forums to dupe would be entrepreneurs.

Note that this is not a blog promoting any company that competes with Local Ad Link. It is completely unbiased analysis from people who care enough to speak out against a well planned scheme to rip off advertisers and the public. Read the real customer experiences and the many other emerging blogs that expose Local Ad Link. Have you done this Cory? Are you still in the ether Cory or is it your intention to continue ripping people off with this scam?

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

Stan: Well put...I have a 7 figure legit business that has nothing to do with MLM. I only post here because I hate to see people duped and ripped off and a relative of mine is involved in MLM for many years and tries to "recruit" me into this BS all of the time.....I have seen over the years that virtually all MLM's are scams and fly by nighters that just never last.....Haley, I have been reading posts not just on this blog, but many others with the same experience, which is unfortunate.....Corey, well good luck and hopefully you can "profit" from the experience of reading all of these posts....if you get burnt, you can never say that you were not warned

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Joe, you are so right about my over analysis. I was trying to anticipate the spin that LAL trainers might have tried to use so I wanted to factually break down the scam. However, you are absolutely right - I'm taking this product more seriously than it deserves. If they really wanted to put together a real strategy, they could have hired a number of consultants to MAYBE put together at least something that appeared to be real.

I have been remiss in not thanking you for your contributions to this hub. Thank you.

As for Haley, I can only say that I'm very sorry you were also a victim of this scam. There cannot be much more disheartening than having not only your investment disappear, but also your hope for a good income as well as a damaged reputation. I'm moved by your story. I have friends in the search marketing industry that have real services that work. If you an your sales rep are looking for something real, I may be able to help you find a legit company to work with if you haven't already - just contact me by clicking on, "Contact Stan K" on the upper right hand side of this page. Hang in there.

If it's true that the LAL merchant account is dust, then they are already in deep trouble - I doubt they would have more than a month or so before they disintegrate.

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Cory,

If Localadlink is a Google Adwords customer, which it is from what I've seen, it has the same exact ability to geo target as any other Adwords customer. I have actually addressed this specific question on another blog:

http://www.localadlinkreview.blogspot.com/

Here is a quote from the very first entry that specifically answer your question about zip code targeting with Adwords:

"Local Ad Link intimates that they have some sort of secret window in to Google sponsored links. The fact is they are buying clicks just like anyone else – the difference is they have no idea how to by clicks or build a good strategy.Here's one of the many reasons why: they are selling advertising packages that claim to be targeted to specific zip codes. Google is in fact set up to do geo targeted campaigns, however, the accuracy of geo targeted campaigns varies based on the size of the geo targeted area. For example, when it comes to targeting a whole country, Google can get a 99.9% accuracy. At the state level, it's about 85% accurate. At the zip code level it's only 50% accurate. That means that 50% of geo targeted clicks at the zip code level are WASTED clicks. This translates to a low value, off target strategy – complete hype.Here's an example of how ridiculous this strategy is: I searched on Google for “Corona CA Signs" and found a page with a LocalAdLink ad in the sponsored pay per click links.Note, the search term I used in Google is 'Corona ca signs' indicating that I am searching for signs in Corona California. So far so good – LocalAdLink has a client, Vital Signs was represented at the top for this search term, however, the ad copy is not optimized to increase Quality Scores. This is a minor flaw compared to what is found when you actually click on the link and see the landing page for Vital Signs.The Local Ad Link displays a client that is only 569 miles away from Corona! So much for zip code targeting! But, anyone who knows Adwords already knows this. It is obvious that Vital Signs will receive zero value from a search for signs by someone in Corona CA. Ask yourself how valuable that click is. This is not an uncommon scenario with Local Ad Links ads - it's their standard - completely off target and total waste of the one chance their service has to produce any value.This still is not the worst of it. The ads are only shown intermittently and rotated with other competitors if shown at all. Still worse, Local Ad Link not only wastes the very few clicks it gets for its clients on out of the area results that are far from targeted, but they pay their representatives 50% of the client spend. On top of that, they still have to turn a profit AND pay Google their Pay Per Click fees."

So, to summarize, the answer is that zip code specific advertising at this stage of IP address based geo targeting is impractical at best. This was one of the many red flags that I initially identified. I hope this helps you in what is hopefully your sincere quest for the truth about this service.

cory  says:
10 months ago

I meant to say Yes, that was very helpful

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Adwords has a safeguard against the same URL being listed on the same page competing for he same keyword simultaneously, so they can't use the same URL (localadlink) in sponsored campaigns for the same keyword. But, you don't have much to worry about with regard to multiples sponsorship and Local Ad Link - Local Ad Link is not aggressively spending money on real clicks for its advertisers. Most advertisers with Local Ad Link have empty traffic logs and empty wallets - at least that's what I've heard from actual Brand Builders who have come clean about this scam.

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

Not sure if I know, but I think I know what you are asking....if you search google and your website is in a selected region then your ad should only show in that region. So, if someone picks the greater NYC area to list on Google Ad Words for lets say a landscaping company - it should only come up when people in that NYC zone (according to their IP address) search on those terms. If that NYC based landscaping company came up on an Atlanta search for that term that would defeat the purpose.

As to how LAL might work, I have no clue....The search terms should only display in that region (i.e. zip codes) and for the key words. However, besides not delivering on that, I believe most people are saying that on the zip code level, it is hard to narrow it down...

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

The questions were not the same. Just designed to detract focus from the core issues.

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Don,

Please read the previous posts here and you may consider reading the links to other real experiences from victims of the Local Ad Link scam. There is no comparison to a legitimate service and Local Ad Link for reasons you will find contained in this hub and the links referenced here.

Cory  says:
10 months ago

Stan,

Just because I switch up cities does not mean I'm trying to confuse you. Easy!!!! Wow you are freak that is blinded by his own blog. As joe pointed out earlier, i think your continuing to over analyzing.

Joe, Thanks for trying to answer my questions.

All that I'm trying to figure out is if multiple LAL ads (meaning different business through one ULR) can be scene at the same time on google in different parts of the country.

If the answer to this question is no, then that would mean all LAL customers are fighting over the same space.....which would be useless!!!

If there answer is yes which I believe it is then that could help explain why LAL could be a benefit to some companies.

Cindy L  says:
10 months ago

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090403/byoc.ob10-k.html "Here is the link to the 10K..and and excerpt from this link to follow....As shown in the accompanying consolidated financial statements, we incurred a loss of $12,857,990 for the twelve month period ended December 31, 2008. Our current liabilities less debt exceeded current assets by $3,212,306 at December 31, 2008 and negative cash flow from operating activities for the twelve months ended December 31, 2008 was $5,740,549. These factors, and our ability to meet our obligations from current operations, and the need to raise additional capital to accomplish our objectives, create a substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern.

We currently do not have sufficient funds on hand to fund our anticipated on-going operating expenses. We do not have any bank credit lines. Accordingly, we will have to obtain additional funding in the near future in order to continue our operations. Although the amount of revenues that we are now generating from our operations is increasing on a monthly basis, we do not anticipate that we will generate sufficient cash from operations to fund our working capital needs until the second half of 2009, at the earliest. Accordingly to fund operations for the next twelve months, we intend to continue to seek additional financing from various sources, including from the sale of convertible debt or equity securities. We have not yet identified, and cannot be sure that we will be able to obtain any additional funding from either of these sources, or that the terms under which we may be able to obtain such funding will be beneficial to us. In addition the Company is maximizing the margins in each product line and expanding the capabilities of the widget technologies of its i-supply division along with identifying some strategic partners to assist in the distribution channels through product and operating lines of credit. If we do not obtain sufficient additional funds in the near future, we will have to suspend some of our operations, scale down our current and proposed future operations or, if those actions are not sufficient, terminate our operations.

All of the convertible notes that we have issued during the past year in order to fund our working capital needs mature during 2009 (most of which mature on July 31, 2009). Accordingly, in addition to having to raise funds to continue to operate, we also will have to raise funds to repay these convertible notes (to the extent that such notes are not converted by the holders). As of December 31, 2008, the total amount of our short-term borrowings was $4,928,500. Most of the convertible notes that we issued are secured by a lien on certain of our assets and/or the assets of our subsidiary. Therefore, in the event that we fail to repay these secured promissory notes as they mature, we will be at risk of losing our assets through foreclosure of our assets. Accordingly, a default under the secured convertible notes could result in the loss of our assets and the termination of our operations."

mr x  says:
10 months ago

ok so i check that my ip address is being properly geotargeted by a third party website as well as google and although a little off its accepetable, same city and that

so i goto localadlinks.com and it comes up with my city and shows all the featured businesses, awesome good job!

now from my understanding all the listings that have red promo text underneath them are paying $200/month the top package..... all of these businesses are providing local services, they are just that a local business

so i go on google and start typing in what could possibly be there search terms, which isnt difficult, when some are lawyers, real estate, autoshops, jewelers, etc... im thinking i should see some of these displaying in the sponsored links on google... nope... now this isnt just a one time thing

i goto several spots around my city, using different internet connections, non are mobile or air card connections - repeat the process nothing

i do the same process against all of the "partnered sites" (basically the majority of sites within the google adnetwork nothing to do with them being connected directly with local adlink) myspace, facebook, aol, cnn, etc, etc

nothing what so ever... not even for random searches, not one single adlink sponsored link anywhere... this was done over the past three weeks

i took it upon myself to research this as i am a BB and was wanting to promote this too along with my other internet marketing services, initially i was seeing some great results but now nothing????

localadlink just lost out on a 50x$200/month deal with an insurance company i have been busting my balls to work with... i havent lost a penny as i will be still using my own ppc and seo services

almost all of my support requests have gone unanswered and when they have been answered it is clear that support hasnt a clue what they are doing/what they are talking about

the last time i even watched a seminar i couldnt believe my eyes when one of the owners was telling people to use as targeted keywords for the example working site - i was in pure disbelief and was like wtf is this guy doing he obviously doesnt know anything about targeted keyterms!

i know i wont be promoting adlinks any more and am glad i only lost my sign up fee for a BB signup

in theory this could have been great product/service but the proof is in the pudding, how can i sell a product like this to a customer when i cant i even find the ads myself!!!!!

Cory  says:
10 months ago

Stan,

What happen to my last post? It's gone, If I was as paranoid as you I would think you were screening our replies.

By the way I was not trying to confuse you by switching up the cities with my question. Easy!!! Joe was right, you are over analysing things.

Again just trying to figure it all out. I get the point, if I just ask questions and not write a book on all the negatives I must be trying to push a scam.

I see their stock tripled since Monday. Stan I bet you got in on that.

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

So, Cory you are "excited" that the stock tripled on Monday (supposedly), depsite the fact that a published report from literally two days ago says that they have essentially no money, which, "create a substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern.”

I guess love is not the only thing that is blind...

Hayley  says:
10 months ago

I hold most of my position at schwab. the rest at ameritrade. do i have to wait until opening bell? Thanks for your help. It is very much appreciated.

Nicole  says:
10 months ago

If this company is so great why did it score an F on BBB.org? That should tell you something about how this business is run.

anonymours  says:
10 months ago

If you just joined with LAL within the last 3 business days, and would like OUT! Send your request for cancellation and full refund to "cancel@localadlink.com.

This information is not shared and NOT in any of the literature available.

I RECOMMEND GET OUT!!

Hayley  says:
10 months ago

Hi stan- I thought you dropped off the sight. My 19 yo rep told me that local ad link had the assets frozen then unfrozen and said he saw it on yahoo. He said he read that their checks were to clear now. I told him great if they would just send the $500 plus they are acknowledging we made. And acknowledge we made another 400 in bonuses life would be great with lal. But u know, I know and we all now know... not going to happen.

MLM  says:
10 months ago

I don't like MLM companies period, the whole concept is unethical and if you don't understand that then you need help!

LAL~~NOT  says:
10 months ago

Julie,

You are required to sale 2 ads a month to be considered "active" or you can pay to stay active. There's a lot of fine print that is not available BEFORE joining. It's all in the back office of your LAL site. At times you have to really dig!!

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

YTB's fate:

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/Travel_Pyram

Is Local Ad Link next?

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Incredible! A bogus service. An investment fraud (Beyond Commerce). Now they are bouncing checks to the very people they duped into buying a sham of a home business opportunity! One thing is for sure - they've done a great job on spin control for Beyond Commerce using press releases and link building strategies to keep the stock price inflated.

But yes, 14 million customers - even if they did acquire 14 million customers at one point, they would be gone by now with the hollow Local Ad Link advertising strategy. But, if they can con more investors into buying into Beyond Commerce (the owner of Local Ad Link), they might be in a good position to swindle more business opportunity seekers and advertisers for longer than the 30 day window I predicted. We'll see.

It's interesting to see that Local Ad Link is bouncing checks just a couple of weeks after their big rally in Las Vegas. I guess extravagant celebrations take precedent over getting their dispensable reps paid. But hey, if you're running a scam anyway, why would you care about your reps when it's only a matter of time before the con is exposed? They're living it up while they still can.

dude  says:
10 months ago

Moms always told me. You should never pay somone to work. Brother interested me in this. I got really exited. I do think that i can be an exellent salesman for the right company. This is just another dissapointing led to nowhere. Thanks Stan-k for not giving up in proving a point. And Haily thanks for sharing. Does anyone have a real job for me. I couldnt sleep. Thought I could make a future for my family. Guess ill go back to manual laboror.

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

Hmm...lets see, should we go with the old wives tale or the financial statement from Beyond Commerce and the statements of those being ripped off? I think I will go with the OWT...Lol, Lol

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

Thanks Mike for an inside look into the Local Ad Link hype.

I would like to address one of the excuses that Local Ad Link seems to infuse its network with - "we're only 4 months old! of course there will be problems" or the "Just wait till launch! We're only in Beta!"

As if they will have something valuable to offer an advertiser post "launch". Sadly, there is no asset that will yield any results or traffic. The Local Ad Link directory is only used by a few, horribly misled and hyped up MLMers. There is nothing innovative or unique about Local Ad Link other than your obvervation that they are able to get thousands of people to buy in, and then send them out on the streets with no real knowledge about internet marketing.

But, they can't have knowledge. If they had any knowledge, they would know that Local Ad Link is a total fraud. Any professional disecting this "advertising product" knows very quickly - whether it's observing the impossible zip code marketing strategy or the fact that so many other directories that have been estabilished for years offer FREE listings along with blogs, web pages, special offers, and far more robust interactivity than LAL. The free listings offered by Merchant Circle or Hot Frog or Yellowbot (to name a few) are far more valuable than Local Ad Links zero reputation, zero traffic, and zero innovation directory is.

To your suggestion Mike that Local Ad Link "might" get it together someday - not possible from looking at their strategy and business practices. They are not going to do a 180 with their joke of a strategy once the magical "launch" occurs. If they had a strategy at all, is there ANY reason why they wouldn't hype it now?

So, post launch, pre launch, beta - all the excuses are clearly intended to keep the scam alive - as long as possible before the house of cards implodes.

Stan K  says:
10 months ago

So, they only guarantee placement in the worthless directory that gets virtually no results or exposure for businesses.  It's not surprising that the customer results (lack of results) reflect this empty guarantee. 

Google represents 77% of all search

Yahoo represents 13% of all search

MSN represents 2.9% of Search

Then the remaining search engines and then the multitude of free listing directories are there - all of them years ahead of Local Ad Link's anemic directory.  Some companies give away directories for free.  Rather than pay for an ad in Local Ad Link's worthless directory, you are better of starting your own directory to rip people off - it's FREE - that way, you won't have a middle man to take a piece of your victim's hard earned cash.

Do they give away a cool beanie or novelty with the purchase of a Local Ad Link "advertising" package? I could see buying in if that were the case!

MAX  says:
10 months ago

Those of you who doubt this company...you are a fucking idiot! The reality is this...the very fact that this blog excist is proof in inself that localadlink is a hot topic and will very soon put idiots (like the owner of this blog) out of business. People should realize that bad press is created when someone is scared! OK...so the company is in "soft launch". The technology that localadlink is using is new. They have a few things to work out! That happens with every new company that has ever been created. The truth is, this is an actual product that actually works!! Maybe not at 100%...SO WHAT!! The percent that it does work is HIGHER than any other internet market company in excistance! It all means one thing...GROWTH!! Just look at the companies that Mr McNulty created...almost everything he has done has been a success. For those who responded who "claim" to have worked for the company...your a lier! You may have signed up but you never worked! By the way, I have been with localadlink for 2 months and 3 days...I have 1500 reps under me and I have made over $30,000.00. Its called work! All you have to do with this company is swing the bat. STOP standing at the plate with your thumb up you ass and complaining that you didn't get any lube! OH and one more thing. Localadlink is in PARTNERSHIP with google and 109 other search engines and over a million websites. So those of you who claim they are going to hurt google, maybe you should contact google and tell them thay you are smarter than them. We now have over 14 million clients and over 40,000 reps. THANK GOD that someone has finaly created a job that helps the american people create a life for themselves. You should stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution!

Eric   says:
10 months ago

Max, LOL! Robert J. McNulty is far from successful. What company was he successful with?? He was forced to resign from Shopping.com (http://www.secinfo.com/dR7Km.71m4.htm) (click on #11 - resignation letter) of previous violations of SEC laws. He did net out about 10 million (after taxes) from the company when it was bought by Compaq, however, after buying a yacht, mansion and other things, he lost it all by 2003 when many Shopping.com stockholders sued him (settled out of court) and the failure of BigStore.com (see link).http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HWW/is_37_

McNulty had his Yacht "Imagine" foreclosed on him in 2003 and the plaintiff bank, Union Bank of California, was still trying to get money from him in late 2005. During a debtor exam in a Nevada District Court (under oath) he claimed to have NO money and NO assets as late as Dec 2005. See Case Number

Case 2:05-cv-00733-RCJ-RJJ filed 10/28/2005

Document 9-2817090

Recently, in an Orange County court, he is being sued again from a collections agency filed Jan 2009. So, basically, we know that he was dead broke 3 years ago...unless he lied under oath. If he did lie and was hiding assets, I'm sure the Union Bank would like to know where he hid his money and/or assets.

So, please let us know what assets he had in late 2005 and pass it on to the law firm representing Union Bank. The law firm is Goold, Patteson, Ales and Day filed in US Dist. Court of Nevada. The plaintiff attorney at the time was Douglas Monson in front of U.S. Magistrate Robert J. Johnston.

There is nothing wrong with McNulty filing 4 bankruptcies on various businesses or being totally bankrupt 3 years ago (if not more recent), however, it is wrong to hold him out as a beacon of success to lure unsuspected business owners/reps into LAL! That is what concerns me.

We review applicants backgrounds before we hire them because history/behavior often repeats itself, so it is only fair that there is full disclosure regarding McNulty's past before we invest time and money into LAL.

You are right about one thing when you said, "People should realize that bad press is created when someone is scared!" And, there is reason to be scared if you are not doing due diligence on this company. Just like the bad press that was created about Enron and Madoff...bad press is created when people are scared.

Joe Rose  says:
10 months ago

Max you are a liar.....Alexa puts LAL at close to 20,000 - here is a cut and paste of its TRAFFIC RANK: Alexa traffic rank for localadlink.com:

Yesterday 17,368

7 day avg 19,835

1 month avg 22,998

3 month avg 19,601

WOw - I can pay 200 dollars a month to be listed on a site that ranks 20,000!!! Holy cow, sign me up right now. BTW, ranks of other directories that have free listings: Super Pages= 801 YellowPages=612 Google= #1 Yahoo=#2 So, keep advising those suckers to spend their 200 bucks on that junk you call a directory....

mike c  says:
10 months ago

Oh, yeah, max - I forgot my other two points on this: God and Country? God and Country!!?? That's your response?

Thank God for Bob McNulty.

Do you hear yourself, man?

john  says:
9 months ago

I'v been a sales rep for various companies for many years. Due to the current economy i'v been unemployed for a few months and recently signed up to be a rep for LAL. I'v been around the block many times and right away there were a few things that didn't meet the smell test. First of all, the guy 'hiring' me wanted me to put up money right away to become a brand builder. Making me his equal. I thought that odd since i hadn't yet even been in the field. Second, there is no package for reps, no pitch, no customer referals/testimonials to bring to the client saying, 'these are businessess in your zip code who are successfully using LAL, perhaps you know some of them, etc'. No office support, nothing. Just a promise that it will be launched in june and check out the webinar. And of course at the end of the webinar there's a pitch for people to sign up to become brand builders. I'v always lived by the code, never pay to play. you pay ME, i don't pay you. BTW, i worked for a few years for NFIB so i understand small business and that company has excellent training, supurb sales support, impeccable commission paying etc. All the things that you'd expect from a real company. LAL can't even accept a check from a business. what kind of a company can't accept checks as payment???

Joe Rose  says:
9 months ago

"With the stoppage of the credit card processing and the processors holding back over $900,000 of funds due to the Company, we inadvertently had 567 checks returned totaling over $250,000 to valued employees, commissioned sales force and vendors." (Wow, over a quarter million dollars in bounced checks!!) "We currently do not have sufficient funds on hand to fund our current obligations until we reach our projected break-even level of operations. We do not have any bank credit lines. Accordingly, we will have to obtain additional funding in the near future in order to continue our operations until our revenues are sufficient to fund our operating expenses." "...we do not anticipate that we will generate sufficient cash from operations to fund our working capital needs for at least another three months. Accordingly, we intend to continue to seek additional financing from various sources, including from the sale of debt or equity securities. We have not yet identified, and cannot be sure that we will be able to obtain any additional funding from either of these sources, or that the terms under which we may be able to obtain such funding will be beneficial to us. If we do not obtain sufficient additional funds in the near future, we will have to suspend some of our operations, further scale down our current and proposed future operations or, if those actions are not sufficient, terminate our operations." "As a result of the above activities, we experienced a net decrease in cash of $87,596 for the three month period ended March 31, 2009. Our ability to continue as a going concern is dependent on our success in obtaining additional financing from investors through the sale of our securities and continuing our stream of revenue through LocalAdLink."

Full report here:

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/090515/byoc.ob10-q.html

Jim K  says:
9 months ago

I joined Local ad link when first week of 2009. It was good for about 1 month... sold ad's... businesses were happy... and I got paid

2/15/09 the whole thing fell apart for me... found out they did not have an ad network that they were "pushing contextual ad's out to up and running"... they simply lied to me.

they couldn't afford to keep paying google so the search engine results disappeared for over a month.. never recovered from that

from the 58 people I know in the biz... they have NEVER paid the residual commission for an ad. that is one of their main selling points when recuiting people "make a residual income" they continue to say "their working on system". It's been 4 months... fraud

I heard they bounced 597 checks in March, I know they bounced 2, cause they were ours... I still have not been paid...

from what I hear there are several people ready to spear head a class action suite...

doubt this company will make it, they are all over the internet as a fraud, if they had to get 1.7 million from the CEO's son's holding company you know their hurting

this is just based on my experience, my biz ad's, and my teamPersonally I gave up even trying to collect the money they owe me

also... 11 rip off reports filed recently... link providedhttp://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q5=l

Joe Rose  says:
8 months ago

"Is there a way I can improve what I'm already doing on google adwords?"

Well, spend more money

Joe Rose  says:
8 months ago

BTW, thanks Stan for letting me "rant" as they say...btw, I was re-reading the blog from the top. Your point is very valid, as a legit internet search engine marketer, LAL could potentially taint your reputation and others like you....that is EXACTLY what happened with YTB....legit travel agents hated YTB for that reason. It gave them a bad name....unfortunately, when MLM gets involved in any industry, it tends to decrease the credibility of that field, profession,etc. Anyway, I think you might be right that LAL will be gone in less than 18 months, but I know someone involved in it and he talks about the business like they just invented internet search.....he claims it is going to be the "biggest thing" ever....he even compares it to Amazon.....either he is lying and just says that to create "excitement" or he really believes it....who knows at this point.

Stan K  says:
8 months ago

Thanks again for your contributions Joe. The Local Ad Link con men and shills never cease to amaze me!

I'm going to try to find some legit companies to list here in a couple of days that offer legitimate Internet Marketing services to sell for refugees of LAL.

Joe  says:
8 months ago

Eric,

"Zane, could you be a little more specific? Also, now that Dr. Rose has been exposed as an anti-MLM fraud, what alias do you think he will come back in here as?"

Now you want advice???....:-) see anyone can do the cut and paste thing.....Kidding aside.....I do not specifically target 800+ zip codes. I have an office in Nassau County, so I can "pull" from Suffolk, Nassau, Queens, Brooklyn, and even Manhattan....(BTW, that is where the 800 + zip codes comes from - hurry Frank, go do a quick search of zip codes in those counties...trust me, I am not lying :-)...I get a lot of referrals from other professionals, but I do get people online for sure.....I try to expose myself as much as possible on the web with Google Ad words (that is the only one I pay for), but then I do the free stuff, Google Local, Yahoo Local, and a bunch of specialized listings / directories that are free.....believe it or not, I have been on the web for like 2-3 years now, and I get hits "organically" now....the more specialized you are, the better the hits can be with Ad words.....the more competitive industry you are in, the more money that has to be spent. So, if you are in the mortgage business, I would imagine you would have to spend like 500 bucks per month (where I only spend 150). I can do that because my industry is much less competitive.....catering would probably fall in the middle, but who knows...

Joe Rose  says:
8 months ago

Eric,

I am not sure what your point is.....When there is traffic obviously, it takes longer, when there is no traffic less.....from Western Suffolk county with no traffic, I have made it into Manhattan in 35-40 minutes.....on other days in NY when it is rush hour or raining, etc. it can take one hour to go 5 miles......it sucks....but certainly it can take an hour to go from Manhattan to Long Island in rush hour.

To explain the counties here it goes:

Suffolk ----Nassau, which are Long Island ----(NYC - Queens County is right after Nassau), then there is Kings County (Brooklyn), Richmond County, Bronx County, and New York County (Manhattan).....I have had patients come to me from Brooklyn and Manhattan.....

Anyway, the point I was making, is that LAL with 5o zip codes for any business in a condensed urbanized area does not really work when in the area I practice, there are litterally hundreds and hundreds of zip codes in a very, very small radius.

With Google Ad words, they target regions, so my ads run in the Metro NYC Area (i.e. NYC counties, Long Island Counties, plus Westchester and Rockland, which are north of the city, although I would likely not pull from there)...anyway, the point is moot since LAL sucks for so many other reasons beyond zip codes.....

Zak  says:
8 months ago

“In October 1995, McNulty settled an action brought by the SEC, consenting to a judgment providing for a civil penalty, which included disgorgementof his illegally obtained profits from a prior fraud. Defendant McNulty participated in the fraud complained of herein despite the injunction which prohibits him from violating the antifraud provisions of the federal securities laws. In fact, because of defendant McNulty’s prior shenanigans, Waldron was compelled to sell IBUY shares only to certain qualified investors, i.e., those who made certain threshold earnings and asset requirements and only after having such persons execute required documentation. Defendant McNulty prepared, reviewed and signed the false Registration Statement and Prospectus.”

http://securities.stanford.edu/1011/IBUY98/001.htm

Stan K  says:
8 months ago

Looks like Dr. Elliott was busted by the FTC prior to running his Local Ad Link con:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/07/elliott.shtm

Those of you who have been ripped off by Dr. Scott Elliott via mylocaladlink.com may want to contact the FTC - here is the staff representative cited in Dr. Elliott's press release that discusses how he is specifically prohibited from engaging in fraudulent pyramid schemes like Local Ad Link:

Chris M. Couillou, FTC Southeast Region 404-656-1353

JR  says:
8 months ago

Hey Stan - here is all the information on Burnlounge and the rest of the characters who are also involved in LAL:

http://ontopresultsllc.com/news/2009/05/11/localad

JR  says:
8 months ago

Watch all of them....that actor has basically "nailed" how to mock an MLM'er. I might even buy the movie.

Stan K  says:
8 months ago

Let me get this straight:

After reading this blog (and others possibly) and seeing for yourself with their presenters that there is no substance, you are still requesting information about LAL ad packages? You still think there can be any doubt this service is valueless?

I guess it's good to be a skeptic - It's fortunate you weren't sucked in.

sc1958  says:
8 months ago

Yes Stan - Just looking for some degree of proof - I need to see for myself how an invisible ad is effective - Thanks

Johnny Boy - Cars are tangible you can see them, touch them, smell them and even drive them - Please Johnny Boy let me know where and how we can find an ad-link ad.

SC1958  says:
8 months ago

John - let me know when you post your ad - and where I can possibly find it.

John Thompson  says:
8 months ago

Fact 1: LocalAdLink bounced over $2500.00 worth of checks to me personally and 8 other distributors that I know of. That is a felony in the state where I live.

Fact 2: In the beginning these crooks were buying Google ad words and pretending to have some great new technology. During presentations the distributors were bringing up a business and demonstrating its # 1 position on page 1 and claiming that it was optimization, spider technology, ground breaking stuff, all lies and crap.

Fact 3: To this day I get all kinds of calls from former reps WHO HAVE NOT BEEN PAID THEIR COMMISSIONS and unfortunately never will.

Larry Stopa  says:
8 months ago

"Sven" wrote:

> Feel free to call me 804-743-4960

I did coorespond with "Sven." Except his name is Bill. Google "804-743-4960"

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=804-743-4960&am

Sven/Bill credited all phone calls for business and traffic to his advertisers' Web sites to LocalAdLink. He could not back it up with evidence. He offered to give me the name of one of his advertisers to talk to, but never gave me his name or phone number.

Stan K  says:
8 months ago

Sven/Bill,

You don't believe this blog?

Ok, let's ignore the F rating at the BBB.

Let's ignore the long list of complaints from people who have tracked zero value from Local Ad Link - or the claims of other "Brand Builders" who said that the traffic came from organic sources when in fact, virtually no REAL traffic exists (see the Paul Croskrey claims and responses in this blog).

Ok, first off try doing some research - I'll help:

It's well known that Local Ad Link tries to pass off the very sporadic use of Google Adwords as an advertising value (see my earlier post on the Toyota dealer analogy which breaks down Local Ad Link value).  So, first, please read the initial post that I wrote on the matter or go to a more detailed post here:

http://www.localadlinkreview.blogspot.com

When you are finished with that, and before we rehash all the details and diagrams of this scam that have been published now for months, based on your knowledge of the comp structure, try to answer a questions:

You talked about the Google Adwords placement that Local Link buys (from time to time - you also observed sporadic).  Professional Pay Per click management companies charge 15% of the budgeted gross spend.  Local Ad Link pays 50% of the gross to its end reps, then they have to pay an upline, then they have management to pay, and then  they would in theory, turn a profit.

So, to my question - what percentage of the Local Ad Link advertising dollar goes to buying clicks for its clients? 

Larry Stopa  says:
8 months ago

(My apologies to the readers of this thread for making a post that did not have any line breaks. I'll try again. Larry"

"Sven"/Bill wrote:

> If this is Larry Stopa, I sent you at least 10 screen shots of local businesses that were working. You verified them and admitted they were working in your email.

You sent me a variety of screen shots of Google searches for "landscaping Richmond VA" that showed rotating LocalAdLink advertisers. I was able to reproduce the LocalAdLink ads on searches some of the time during our correspondence on May 19 and 20. Today I do not see any LocalAdLink ads on Google searches for "landscaping Richmond VA."

"Sven"/Bill wrote:

> This is another lie. I gave you his ad with all of his info about his business and I'll give it to you again. His name is Dale 757-229-1312 Professional Grounds Management Va Beach Va. Call him.

I asked you for the name. You did not give it to me. Call me a liar all you want. I have all our email correspondence.

Up until your HubPages comment today, I did not know who you were referring to when you emailed me, "He said the first week his ad was showing up, he received several calls and landed a job that made a profit of 3000.00. Had he not have been in google, he would have never got the job."

I called Dale. He told me he does not advertise with LocalAdLink. I asked him if he received any leads from Google. He told me he does not need leads.

"Sven"/Bill wrote:

> I don't have any advertisers, nor am I personally running any ads what so ever for my business.

Your claim really strains credibility. Why are you putting all this effort into defending LocalAdLink? Are you claiming that you are not involved in LocalAdLink in any way?

As I emailed to you, "My motive is I hate bullshit. LocalAdLink's marketing materials are definitely baloney. I don't like companies who rip off people who are ignorant of Web marketing. There are plenty of posts on the Web from LocalAdLink customers who received no traffic for their money."

I also wrote to you, "LocalAdLink raised a huge red flag when it claimed 'We are pro-actively pushing your listing out through our partner websites. Your listing can be seen on some at the most popular websites, search engines, and social networks in America. Some of these include Google, Yahoo, MSN, AOL, Ask.com, Earthlink, YouTube, GMAIL, About.com, Napster, PGA.com, Redbook, Hollywood.com, Monster.com, MySpace, Linkedln, Friendster, Bebo, Hi5, Orkut, MiGente and B00Mj.'

"People marketing Scam SEO make false claims like that. LocalAdLink has no special partnership with the above list, except for Beyond Commerce sites like BOOMj. All LAL does is use the Google AdWords Content Network. That is not a 'partner website.'

"I despise fraudulent promises where people pay good money and receive little to nothing in return. I know search marketing and I have seen the many cons practiced in this area. LocalAdLink does not pass the smell test. Nowhere close."

Sven/Bill  says:
8 months ago

Sorry Larry. I gave you the wrong# 757-714-0522 Dale Look guys, I'd be be glad to speak with you via phone and anwers questions about my findings. So please feel free to call. Thanks

Stan K  says:
8 months ago

Not Sven or Bill but Dale Now? I have to admit, it takes guts to admit the first 2 names were fakes and then give your real name. OK!  As to the findings you won't share with us here but you'd be happy to do so over the phone - your Findings??  LOL! 

Here's an easy prediction for you - every dollar spent on a bogus Local Ad Link advertising "con-paign" is a wasted one. That's not even a prediction - it's a fact.

Throw the money in furnace - get some BTU value.

Make a money hat out of it! Or a paper money beanie!

Better yet, donate it to your favorite charity - at least you can feel good about putting it to good use!

Diane  says:
7 months ago

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I read every bit of this thread. W O W - Not good!

Stan, you are the person who owns this thread correct?

Every day I read blogs analyzing opportunities. I read the good and the bad. I read legitimate as well as scams. My view of this thread is that you are bitter, negative and obviously threatened by Local Ad Link. Obviously you have a real emotional problem!!!!

The question that needs to be determined is, what is the R E A L WHY?

I mean I really feel the hatred you obviously feel for Mr. McNaulty, and his Business? Why do you feel so threatened by him? By Local Ad Link?

Reading what you have said and H O W you say it, you really sound like an evil person with a HUGE grudge - what has this person ever done to you?

Has his company stepped on your toes???

Taken some of your profits away?

As I read through this thread that is what I picked up on. I’m sorry to say but that is what jumped out at me loud and clear. Maybe you were not aware of your hostile tone.

Is his business model cutting in on your "PROFITS", how else can you explain this childish banter, which has taken place here over the last 3 months, 3 months! You have allowed this to go on for 3 months at least!

I guess by now you can tell I have a background in physiology. I will say I’m very alarmed by your tone, anger and bitterness.

I feel when we look for reviews; we are not looking for someone’s emotions to carry the story. I will not look to your site for reviews on ANYTHING any longer. I think you have a real problem and need to seek help.

Diane Marie

Stan K  says:
7 months ago

Dianne,

I'm one of the fortunates who have not personally been burned by Local Ad Link.  So, I have not been hurt by this scam.

If my tone appears to be emotional, the emotion I'm conveying is incredulity.  It never ceases to amaze me that after this Local Ad Link con has been outed so blatantly, that there are people that still have the nerve to represent such an obvious scam - and sell it in a network marketing scheme that almost always depends on friends and family as a source of business and referrals.  In this way, Local Ad Link is even more insidious than other advertising scams.  It preys on ignorance and ruins personal relationships. 

If you read every word of this blog, and the heart wrenching descriptions of the many who have been burned by this con, I find myself incredulous once again that you would direct your ire at me rather than the people that are perpetuating a con. 

If you examine the facts impartially, there is no escaping the fact that the purpose of the Local Ad Link directory and infrastructure is a ploy to con dollars from investors, advertisers, and MLMers.  If you've read this blog and clicked on other stories referenced here, you know this.   The only question is intent.  It appears, based on the fact that there was never any real strategy behind this Beyond Commerce initiative.  Based on that fact and others, I believe there is intent to defraud there as well.

As for this blog - it's a public service.  I'm not promoting any company, and from time to time, the brazen attempts to defend this obvious scam are comical and I'm beginning to express this in what may be poor attempts at humor - for that, I apologize.

JR  says:
7 months ago

BTW, Diane - where did you get the feeling that Stan is "evil." Quite the contrary - I obviously do not know him personally, but if any sane person was reading these posts, they would clearly surmise that Stan is an honest and ethical business person - in other words, the opposite of your assessment. Thus, following this logice, you must be......well, you know :-)

Stan K  says:
7 months ago

I think 20% is a very high estimate.  Local Ad Link only uses PPC sparingly - purely as an effort to cover up the scam. 

Whether you like or don't like MLM concepts, one thing is for sure, these guys are bilking money on a large scale from investors (Beyond Commerce BYOC), businesses, and would be home business owners alike.

Tom  says:
6 months ago

OK, I MUST weigh in. I joined localadlink over 6 months ago to try the service at half price for my own business. I figured I'd give it a try and if it even worked a little, I could sell it to others and make some money. Well, I have not even attempted to sell it to others and won't. I do not want to ruin my reputation.

I ot the 50 zip code package and prepaid for the year. It has been almost 7 months now and it has brought me NO BUSINESS AT ALL. None. In fact in doing searches with my keyword 5 to 20 times a day on multiple search engines over a 4 month period, my localadlinks listing has not come up even once. NEVER! There is no customer support on the phone and of my 50+email requests for support only 3 have been answered, all after more than 2 weeks and all with general rah, rah replies and excuses about BETA conversion. No specific responses to my specific concerns have ever been forthcoming. For businesses advertising it is a total waste of money. For Brand Builders and reps it is a great way to destroy your reputation and make you out to be a con artist.

As for Mr. McNulty, it is my considered opinion that he is a very clever marketer and his minions lie. It was represented to me that Mr. Mcnulty was the founder of The Home Depot, when actually it was some web based home site with some similar name. Also they bragged about how he bought websites cheap and resold them at huge profits. Well bBernie Maddoff also made huge profits. That doesn't make him a good businessman, just a clever con man.

LocalAdLink is a complete scam in my opinion. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY OR TIME!

Stan K  says:
6 months ago

That is hilarious. So, here we go again - it's the cons suing the new SEO/Paid Search MLM company. Adzzoo - I guess they missed the point - doing a SEO/Paid Search company as an MLM just doesn't work. The math doesn't work when other paid search marketing firms perform at a high level for a 20% fee based on actual Paid search spend.

Beyond Commerce, Local Ad Link is in their death throes and the stock is showing it. Failure is often associated with excuses and accusations - perfect example here. The fact is that Local Ad Link failed because it offers a service with no value and ripped off thousands of people.

I doubt seriously that Adzzoo will be any different. It never ceases to amazing me how often I hear about people who read a pamphlet on SEO and all of a sudden they're self proclaimed SEO experts.

Bring on the next con job! Welcome to the fray Adzzoo!

Rick  says:
6 months ago

Here are the announcments where they acknowledge lack of customer service and glitches in their system. And yet they keep your money! They are a scam and I have not only filed complaints with the Better Business Bureau but the Federal Trade Commission

Here they acknowledge that they are in fact having problems

TECHNOLOGY UPDATE: FRIDAY FEB 27, 2009

We are aware that some of you are experiencing problems with 1) ads showing in the directory and or the ad network and 2) getting a white screen when attempting to login. This is a temporary problem as we are currently in the process of migrating from Beta 1.0 to Beta 2.0. This is a migration of all our software (localadlink.com and the ad server) to a new set of servers. We are conducting this "live migration" to keep from taking the entire system offline during the overall migration process.

We expect this migration to be done by 1am on Monday night.

We expect to have some of the errors occur in different regions of the country while the live migration takes place. We apologize for this frustration and are striving to make our systems completely stable. These upgrades to our system will give us the ability to sustain the incredible growth that LocalAdLink is experiencing. The current system IS allowing ad sales and we will continue to accept orders normally. We are processing hundreds of new ad sales each day. We appreciate your patience in this matter.

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08/13/2009 More info received from the consumer

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Response and excuses from top level support on April 1st.

-----Original Message-----

From: Tier 2 .COM Tech mailto:noreply@localadlink.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:51 AM

To: jason@theinterneteconomist.com

Subject: support #63998 Re: Customer Jason Hartgrave requesting major technical assistance.

Jason,

Thank you for contacting LocalAdLink customer support regarding this very serious issue of your listing not coming up correctly in search results on localadlink.com. We apologize for the delayed response. This issue was identified early this month and fixed recently. Your listing can now be successfully pulled up using any of your keywords when searching in your business location's zip code or city. We greatly appreciate your patience with us as we do our best to provide the most efficient and beneficial service as possible to the public. We were currently upgrading the "Manage Customers" area as well as the Detailed Statistics. We have over 10 MILLION records in our database for the Detailed Statistics Reporting that we are currently importing. This traffic has not been importing over the past few weeks. This issue would not only affect the Detailed Statistics page, but also your main customer profile's Unique Views and Total Views. This traffic should start showing up in your client's back office this week if it hasn't already. We also have found a small bug in certain areas of the country with broken images. We are working on posting an update to correct this as soon as possible. Rest assured that your ad is indeed active and being pushed out; they are in fact getting views that are not being recorded. Please bear with us as this company is only 3 months old are we are experiencing many unforeseen growing pains during our beta phase.

We appreciate your patience in this matter and apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. Please understand that in our soft launch, we oftentimes experience technical difficulties but our technical team works tirelessly to resolve issues when they do come up.

We greatly appreciate your patience in this matter as our 3 month old company experiences unforeseen growing pains. Feel free to write us a new email to support@localadlink.com if you encounter any further issues. Best of luck in your endeavours!

--

Tier 2 .COM Tech

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08/13/2009 More info received from the consumer

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Email from March 11th

Attempts to send the email more than once due to a lack of response generated this.

-----Original Message-----

From: support@localadlink.com mailto:support@localadlink.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 1:15 PM

To: jason@theinterneteconomist.com

Subject: RE: Customer Jason Hartgrave requesting major technical assistance.

Thank you for your support ticket!

To speed up the process please refrain from sending multiple emails regarding the same issue.

We would like to inform you that we have implemented a new ticketing system in our customer support department! This will ensure a timely response acknowledging your issues.

We truly appreciate your patience during our soft-launch and want to make sure your support issues are resolved quickly.

Keep in mind when you send an email to support@LocalAdLink.com or support@LocalAdLink.net, we will respond to you within five (5) business day (LocalAdLink Support Office Hours are 7:00AM-7:00PM Monday Through Friday).

If your issue or discrepancy involves escalation to another department (Accounting, Marketing, etc), it may take up to one (1) week to have a final resolution. Should your request require escalation, you will be notified and updated on the status of your ticket.

Some examples of Issues that need to be escalated include (but are not limited to):

1. Those who do not have their brand builder drop down menus or 1 year

free premium Ads from Christmas & New Years Eve Promotions. These must be manually added in by our Technical Team.

2. Functionality issues; i.e. Map issues on Localadlink.com

3. Requests to delete an Ad

4. Discrepancies with commissions due and point volumes.

If your ticket requires more information, please be sure to reply to the Account Manager?s response (which has your ticket number in the subject

line) to keep issues isolated to the same ticket. However, please make sure not to send in duplicate tickets, as our ticketing system is sure to track

each support ticket submitted.

Also, please look at the FAQ?s in your LocalAdLink.net and/or LocalAdLink.com Back Offices, as many of your questions can be answered

there. Once again, we thank you for your patience during our pre-launch!

We are working around the clock to make sure our processes are in place prior to our Official Launch.

Thank you!

LocalAdLink Support Team

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08/13/2009 More info received from the consumer

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Email from them just after we enrolled.

Week of February 23, 2009:

Technical Update to LocalAdLink.com Field Staff:

We have received hundreds of emails asking for technology updates. At LocalAdLink are committed to having consistent open lines of communication with our valued Brand Builders and Account Executives. As such, we have listened to your suggestions and this message will be the first of many technology updates.

Questions we repeatedly receive are "does corporate know about these bugs and are they doing anything?" and "what are they doing to correct the errors/bugs in the system?". The following update is a response to those key questions:

LocalAdLink.com is proud to announce that Beta Version 1.0 has been a success. Thanks to everyone for your hard work and thank you for the incredible success of selling thousands of ads! Of course, there has been ups and downs as we expand our technology. Overall, our business model is working and we are proud to say that thousands of localadlink.com advertisers are being populated all across the Internet. That said, we are excited to announce Beta Version 2.0 which is going to be released very soon. Even though we have experienced and are continuing to fix some items we still consider our Beta 1.0 a "success" as we have accomplished major milestone with this technology includin

Stan K  says:
6 months ago

Beyond Commerce is finally in it's death throes:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=BYOC.OB#chart4:

18 cents a share - what a shocker - tanking fast.

Mike B-  says:
5 months ago

I joined for one LAL session, and it took about 1 minute to see,hear and smell trouble. Like anything else, when the real desire is a little extra money people will simply ignore the obvious. Many references were made in this blog about Bernie Madoff and the ponzi scheme that was exposed when the market collapsed and withdrawals accelerated. There were hundreds of people inside and outside nd connected to Madoff, but all ignored the facts because of the return on investments or the commissions for brokering the deposits. The real test for LAL is now, with minimal cash on hand, less investment capital, and the strength of the BB's they recruited (and charged) all over the US. It looks like this company is melting. All of us can use this example when exploring any MLM opportunity. My condolences to the loyalists of LAL that have dragged friends into this mess and added costs to families that were already in trouble financially. With references above about a class action suit, no lawyer will want to handle this on a percentage cut....minimal chance for collection. Class actions only work against deep pockets.

Stan K  says:
5 months ago

I don't have information on these guys yet, but with any product or service being sold through an MLM organization, the vast majority of the price has to cover the cost of commissions being paid to multiple levels of sales agents. In most scenarios, little resources (or none in the case of Local Ad Link) are left to help the end customer obtain any value. In the competitive world of online marketing where thousands of seasoned professionals compete, I can't see an MLM company having any chance of really competing with a service that holds real value.

Stan K  says:
5 months ago

Looks like Local Ad Link is reaching out to rip off Canadians and Australians now. These guys have no shame. I hope they read this blog and others before they get burned.

Stan K  says:
5 months ago

Thanks for your comment. I would recommend starting a blog in Australia that links to all the Local Ad Link horror stories here. That might really help people.

CanadaLAL  says:
5 months ago

I just got off the phone with a company executive who confirms that the Canadian market will in fact not be open for business until at least the end of November.

Contrary to what was stated by McNulty regarding the projected "live" date and being able to recruit just not sell ads, the company executive reminded me that under no circumstances are we to recruit, sell or distribute anything LAL until the Feds approve LAL. Also, the McNulty live statement was an unfortunate error. Additionally, all websites in Canada that reference LAL must be temporarily removed in order to not directly jeopardize regulatory approval.

Anon  says:
5 months ago

Thank you, your post kept me away from this company. Sadly a gentlemen I worked with left his job to do adlink full time.

CanadaLAL  says:
4 months ago

BREAKING NEWS....

From: Dr. Scott Elliott [drscottelliott@earthlink.net]

Sent: September 30, 2009 12:43 AM

To: Dr. Scott Elliott

Subject: Official Notice - Re: Dr. Scott Elliott (Advisory Board)

Please find below my official resignation from the Beyond Commerce / LocalAdLink Advisory Board.

If you have any questions please contact me directly.

Respectfully, Dr. Scott Elliott

________________________________________

Beyond Commerce

Robert McNulty, CEO

9029 South Pecos Road, Suite 2800

Henderson, NV 89074

Beyond Commerce,

Effective immediately, I respectfully resign from the Beyond Commerce / LocalAdLink Advisory Board. Please immediately remove my name and credentials from all web sites and company literature.

As a LocalAdLink Brand Builder it is my sincerest hope that Beyond Commerce / LocalAdLink can resolve its current challenges and provide LocalAdLink Brand Builders a viable financial path.

Please confirm receipt of this correspondance.

Sincerely,

Dr. Scott Elliott 214.244.8515

STAN... you were right all along... the façade walls are crumbling down.

BEYOND COMMERCE INC (OTC BB: BYOC.OB)

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Sara   says:
4 months ago

I'm a web developer and had several clients sign up for local ad links... all were very very unhappy with the system, service and lack of results. The person who signed them up also was unhappy with the company and stopped selling it.

Blossom13  says:
4 months ago

Hi CanadaLAL, I was reading the info you put on re: Dr Scott Elliott resigning. I did notice that on his Twitter dated 21st September he says 'his dedication to LAL remains constant'. See: http://twitter.com/drscottelliott . To me he is sending mixed messages. Do you have any further info about this guy and how involved he is or was? I noticed your last comment re the spike in the stock. I don't know what it has to do with, but LAL is absolutely flooding Australia at the moment and I know 1 person alone has over 300 people in his group, never mind all the thousands out there spruiking it. Thanks again everyone for all the comments, it's great to hear feedback from all over the world.

Blossom13  says:
4 months ago

Thanks for the links CanadaLAL. Yes Australia was 'supposed to be live from 1st Sept, but I don't think it was. More delays I suspect.

Stan K  says:
4 months ago

From the makers of Local Ad Link, Beyond Commerce has announced the launch of Kaching Kaching, Inc.:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Beyond-Commerce-Anno

And here I was hoping this blog would die with the demise of the bogus Local Ad Link plan. Looks like I was wrong. A new influx of financing for the BYOC con artists - here we go again.

William  says:
4 months ago

Keep the posts coming and if you hear of anything keep the updates coming, especially from Australia and Canada.

Its important that the right word gets out there as no-one deserves to get hurt, especially in these unforgiving times where money is so critical. No-one can afford to be losing any amounts of money to potentially dodgy companies.

moneyman  says:
4 months ago

Cory, Does that mean the lack of quality product will be fixed as well as the $8 million in debt that will be erased? It seems Stan K has a excellent point in regards to the problem being the product. Erasing the 'dodgy' aspect of the payment plan and paying recruits etc still doesn't fix the product and what the client actually gets or more specifically doesn't get.

Cory Hanks  says:
4 months ago

I am not by any means backing the obvious liability that local ad link turned out to be. Their first problem was that they had 50,000 people signed on to sell LAL in the first 90 days, along with their payment processing being dropped, only added insult to injury. They didn't prepare themselves for the firestorm that eventually brought the house of cards down. And by no means, are my comments meant to make excuses for the past of the company. I just want to show that the jury is still out, and the fact that zurvita has control over LAL, says alot about the way LAL will be run, marketed and improved. All i am saying is that there is a new sheriff in town, lets give Zurvita the benefit of the doubt, and the chance to turn LAL around. After all, Zurvita is a a subsidiary of the Amacore corp. which is a 40 billion operation. lets just give them a chance to make things right. thanks everyone, Cory Hanks.....

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Blossom13  says:
4 months ago

Looks like LAL are on the move again - into India.

See: http://www.videostreamaustralia.com/fastlocaladlin

Stan K  says:
3 months ago

Well put. Local Ad Link only serves to dupe business owners and would be entrepreneurs into wasting money on a zero value advertising service.

Donna  says:
2 months ago

I am so thankful I found this post!

Graphixman  says:
2 months ago

I was watching this blog for sometime and now I see they have come to my area.

http://richmond.craigslist.org/med/1510756882.html

I am not sure how many business owners will buy into this but Richmond is hard hit right now. I hope no one else has to suffer from scams like this.

Cory Hanks  says:
2 months ago

So what you are saying is that there is no way that Zurvita and Omni can make this a useful product? It just seems that because of what LAL was supposed to be, and what it failed to do, is the reason that you make this strong statement of the product being junk. What i don't understand is that if the product was a mess and useless before, what makes you think that these 2 companies cannot make this product perform the way it was meant. They have been working on this product to make it something people want to purchase and find value in, because it performs as expected. Saying it is a useless asset like enron is way off base. Lets think for a minute, you are saying it is useless without even admitting that this product could be gone through and made to work and perform as expected??? Maybe microsoft vista is crap, does that mean that microsoft 7 is also?? I guess cause one version of a product that a company sold is junk, could never be fixed and made into a good product by a totally different company thats sole purpose is to better the product to perform as expected. Is it really that you dont want it to, or you just don't want to admit that it could happen? Omni is a major investor in Zurvita, and they are working closely with Zurvita to change this product for the better. Maybe beyond commerce didnt have a clue, but they have left the building.

Larry Stopa  says:
2 months ago

I could not understand what OmniReliant Holdings was thinking when it bought the LocalAdLink "software" for $4 million. I assume OmniReliant believed the baseless hype like so many Brand Builders did.

LocalAdLink never had any technology that could automatically feed local ads to the top of Google and hundreds of thousands of Web sites. For that to happen, you need to have business relationships involving payments for the ads.

Just like LocalAdLink/Beyond Commerce, OmniReliant could buy ads on Google AdWords and its Content Network. But you don't need special software to do that. You need money to pay for the ads.

Software is not necessary. Only cash is needed. $4 million could buy as many as 40 million more clicks than LocalAdLink "software" will ever deliver.

I wonder if the owners at OmniReliant ever figured that out.

Jim L  says:
6 weeks ago

Stan K - found your blog among several regarding LAL. I met a rep yesterday, and LAL sounded enticing. I always do "due diligence", and I am glad you guys have been so thorough. The LAL website is decrepit. No way I will dump money in this.

Now - for micro-biz owners tryign to market on a slim budget, what do you recommend for internet advertising?