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By pgrundy


Author Erich Von Daniken looking for UFOs
Author Erich Von Daniken looking for UFOs

Chariots of the Gods!

Remember Erich Von Daniken? He wrote a book way back in the 1970s entitled Chariots of the Gods, which put forth the gloriously crackpot theory that ancient astronauts had visited the earth in eras past, and that records of their visitation could be found in ancient artwork and texts.

Von Daniken's prose style was noted for hyperbole and the omnipresence of exclamation marks! (!) and also for its ability to irritate scientists, skeptics, and critical thinkers. But he sold lots of books. He's still selling lots of books.

The idea has a certain romance to it, and in truth, we really don't know what happened 5,000 or more years ago. We have science. We have theories. We have Von Daniken. And we have written and oral traditions.

No photographs survive that era.

So we're right back to the old "you can't prove a negative" bit. You can't prove ancient astronauts didn't visit 5,000 years ago. You also can't prove Pluto isn't made of baked brie cheese. (At least not yet you can't. And poor Pluto got downgraded from planet status last year anyway, so maybe we'll never know.)

The point is, this is where we always end the debate on UFOs: The negative proof impossibility. Same old, same old.

What got me to thinking about Daniken again was popular Hubber Bard of Ely's recent story about a glowing entity he saw long ago in a London squat and how the sighting recalled something he had personally experienced that ufologists call 'hummadruz'. A 'hummadruz' is a humming, buzzing, droning combination sort of sound that only people who experience UFOs can hear.

The sound comes up often enough in reports that it seems to be tied to alien visitations in some yet-to-be-defined way. In his story, the Bard related the sound to a mantra he had been chanting, "Om Mani Padme Hum," which of course is used in the Tibetan Book of the Dead and plenty of other places in Eastern thought too. Literally it means something like "the jewel in the lotus."

Daniken's idea that aliens from outer space literally came to to earth thousands of years ago and changed the course of mankind is a common theme in many theories of ufology, but making the connection to mantras lit something up in my imagination, something I've never bothered to write down but have thought about many times before. Here's my thought on it:

What if the visitors aren't from space at all, but rather from deep Time?

What if they are time travelers?

It's not a new idea. But the mantra tie-in gives it a bit of a twist I think. I promise by the end of this hub I'll tie it all together. (Stay with me here.)


Vishnu Dreaming the World
Vishnu Dreaming the World

A Narrative Interlude: My Mantra Story

I've had a long, weird history with UFOs and strange things in general. I'm sure that no small part of this history is due to being blessed (or cursed) with a mother who believed in weird things and claimed to have psychic abilities and powers.

That opens the door for sure. But two of my three children, one of whom barely remembers my mother and the other of whom was born long after she died, also have recurrent strange experiences.

I don't pretend to understand what this means. In my family, we just refer to it as 'it'. You have 'it' or you don't have 'it', and those of us who do try to be as nonchalant and accepting of 'it' as we can.

What other choices do we have? 'It' seems harmless enough. And most of the time, 'it' is not particularly intrusive, or useful. It's like being able to pick up bits and pieces of a radio broadcast. Intriguing, but not enough info there to really come together in any coherent way.

Anyway, my strange experience with mantras happened about five years ago. Early in the morning, as I was waking, I distinctly heard a group of people chanting, "Om Deva Shanti, Shanti Deva Shanti, Shanti Shanti Shanti" over and over again in a monotone, very fast. The 'Om' part of the chant was held throughout the rest of the phrase like a background hum, and then it would start again, immediately, over and over and over.

When I woke fully, the chanting was gone. Just like that. At the time I didn't know anything about mantras except that they had something to do with meditation, and I certainly did not know what those words meant. I wrote them down immediately so as not to forget them, and for the next several years asked around, hoping to find some explanation.

What was so disconcerting about it was that it didn't feel at all like a dream: It felt completely real, and the words were distinct and the chanting was very powerful and intense.

A few days after the chanting episode, again just as I was waking, I heard a word very clearly whispered in my ear, "Satchidananda." Then I woke up completely and of course, no one was there, no radio was on, nothing.

I wrote the word down again and began to look for its meaning, since I had never heard it before in my life as far as I could remember. I mean, you'd think you'd remember a word like that if you'd heard it before. It's an odd word.

What's especially odd about these two incidents is my two kids who have 'it' have also had episodes where they woke up hearing other languages spoken, only to discover no one around and no radios or TVs playing, and then wrote down the words to find out what they meant.

In fact, my son, who I assure you is quite sane, had two episodes in his early teens when he lapsed into some kind of trance in front of his friends and just started speaking a foreign language. On both occasions, his friends shook him until he snapped out of it, and he had at that point no recollection whatsoever of speaking that way.

Weird.


Artist's rendering of a vimana
Artist's rendering of a vimana

Vimanas & Ancient Hindu Texts

The Mahabarata is an ancient Hindu legend which is part of a group of very ancient texts called the Vedas.

Most scholars put the Mahabarata's age at about 5,000 years, but some of the Vedas are so old no one is certain of their true age, and many have never been translated from Sanskrit into English.

Without going too deeply into Hindu stories and Vedic lore, suffice it to say that in the Mahabarata there is talk of flying machines called Vimanas.

In 1918 a Hindu scholar named S. Shastry 'channeled' what he claimed to be an ancient Hindu text called the Vaimanika Shastra, which included detailed drawings of the actual constructions of vimana flying machines.

This book became popular again in the 1970s when the UFO craze was at its peak. Many Hindu scholars consider it to be bunk.

But if we take a longer view, and by longer I mean MUCH longer, we find that in the beginning (of the Hindu concept of time) vimanas were not mechanical craft, they were powered by mantras. (Whew! It took awhile to get to this connection, didn't it? You must be exhausted! But wait, we're not done...)

The Vedic conception of Universal time is vast and incomprehensible to ordinary mortals. For example, a period of one day in the life of the God Brahma is equivalent to 4,320,000,000 years on earth, and Brahma's night is just as long. There are 360 days and nights in one year of the God Brahma. Here is a further explanation by author Stephen Knapp:

Each day of Brahma is divided into one thousand cycles of four yugas, namely Satya-yuga, Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga, and finally the Kali-yuga, which is the yuga we are presently experiencing. Satya-yuga lasts 1,728,000 years, and is an age of purity when all residents live very long lives and can be fully developed in spiritual understanding and mystical abilities and remarkable powers. Some of these abilities, or mystic siddhis, include changing one's shape, becoming very large or microscopically small, becoming very heavy or even weightless, securing any desirable thing, becoming free of all desires, or even flying through the sky to wherever one wanted to go on one's own volition. So at that time, the need for mechanical flying machines was not necessary.

As the yugas continued, the purity of the people, along with their mystical abilities, decreased by 25% in each age. The age of Treta-yuga lasts 1,296,000 years. During that age, the minds of humanity became more dense, and the ability for understanding the higher spiritual principles of the Vedic path was also more difficult. Naturally, the ability to fly through the sky by one's own power was lost. After Treta-yuga, Dvapara-yuga lasts 864,000 years, and Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, of which 5,000 have now already passed. At the end of Kali-yuga, the age of Satya-yuga starts again and the yugas continue through another cycle. One thousand such cycles is one day of Brahma. Now that we are in Kali-yuga, almost all spiritual understanding disappears, and whatever mystical abilities that remain are almost insignificant.

It is explained that it was not until the beginning of Treta-yuga that the development of vimanas took place. In fact, Lord Brahma, the chief demigod and engineer of the universe, is said to have developed several vimanas for some of the other demigods. These were in various natural shapes that incorporated the use of wings, such as peacocks, eagles, swans, etc. Other vimanas were developed for the wiser human beings by great seers of Vedic knowledge.

In the course of time, there were three basic types of vimanas. In Treta-yuga, men were adept in mantras or potent hymns. Thus, the vimanas of that age were powered by means of knowledge of mantras. In Dvapara-yuga, men had developed considerable knowledge of tantra, or ritual. Thus, the vimanas of Dvapara-yuga were powered by the use of tantric knowledge. In Kali-yuga, knowledge of both mantra and tantra are deficient. Thus, the vimanas of this age are known as kritaka, artificial or mechanical. In this way, there are three main types of vimanas, Vedic airplanes, according to the characteristics of each yuga. [From www.stephen-knapp.com]

Two points are of special interest here: One is that conceptions of time are very vast and elaborate in in Vedic lore, and the other is that in the oldest, most deeply ancient time, vimanas were powered by mantras, not mechanical power systems.

How can that be so?

That would take a whole bunch of hubs to explain, but suffice it so say, in that system of knowledge, it could be so. Our culture is very good at looking outside ourselves and measuring and thinking rationally. That culture is very good at looking within. At some point, the two overlap in amazing ways.

Within, without, it's an artificial distinction when you get right down to it.


Dreaming the Kali Yuga

So here we are, living in the end times of a marvelous dream that soon will start all over again. We've got UFOs dropping in on some of us (vimanas?) accompanied by mantra-like sounds (hummadruz or om mani padme hum or shanti shanti shanti?) and what does it all mean?

It's nothing if not dream-like and marvelous. And I wonder if, in looking for the answer in mechanical explanations of craft and aliens and genetic experimentation we aren't missing something more subtle and more amazing yet.

My mantra dream was an inside out moment. Instead of a dream during sleep, it was a reality during waking that made waking feel like a dream Suddenly the lines were blurred, and not only that, suddenly I was on a quiet quest.

What did it all mean? Who was chanting these things? What did the chant mean? What does it any of it have to do with UFO sightings, experiences that interrupt our waking 'reality' and make that reality seem more dreamlike, while simultaneously all our dreams take on a vividness and a reality henceforth unknown and unfamiliar?

"Satchidananda" translated from the original Sanskrit means something like, "Existence-consciousness-bliss." It is a synonym for Parashakti: Lord Siva's Divine Mind and simultaneously the pure superconscious mind of each individual soul.

It is perfect love and omniscient, omnipotent consciousness, the fountainhead of all existence, yet containing and permeating all existence.

In other words, the mind of god is your mind and my mind and permeates everything, all matter, all time, in perfect love and perfect consciousness, always. It is more real than reality. It can whisper in your ear, and wake you from one dream into another, just like that.

What does a UFO experience do the experiencer?

It changes that person's understanding of reality forever. Mantras also do this too. The first UFOs (vimanas) were powered not by hydrocarbons, but by mantras. If Lord Shiva whispered in your ear one morning, would you wake up?

I did finally find my mantra, and lots more. The video below is really beautiful---Watch for the UFOs in it, they show up with the purple parts.

Shanti Shanti Shanti.

Om.

Om Satchidananda by Di Leva

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jacobworld profile image

jacobworld  says:
16 months ago

Cheers mate very interesting reading.

Satori profile image

Satori  says:
16 months ago

This is the kind of stuff that is always so refreshing to read. We get so much about how either the economy is collapsing - or if you're a mainstream journalist, how the economy isn't collapsing - that it's so seldom we get to look into the more interesting sides of life. If we keep on like this, they'll probably assign us double work shifts to keep us from thinking so much.

Reading your article, a few concepts occur:

You can't prove a negative - unless you use applied kinesiology. Described in Power vs. Force by David R. Hawkins, it accesses nonlocalized consciousness to pluck information that's accessible anywhere in existence, from anywhere else. This is due to the face that, as you've written, permeates everything everywhere. Actually, as near as I can tell our Causal experience is like wallpaper layered over the Divine nature of Creation. (This makes redecorating a breeze, by the way, if you find that you just can't stand a hideous repeating pattern of wallpaper in some godawful tones.) The Tibettan word for this phenomenon is "tulpa", literally a thoughtform made solid, and that appears to be the nature of Causality, plain and simple. Evidently, somebody decided that a garish, repeating pattern of eyestab-red cherries was just what Creation needed, and here we are.

Mantra-driven engines make perfect sense in the context of a spiritual culture very much into states of consciousness and meditation. (This is why you won't find that kind of technology built into the next Prius, in a society that apparently believes that enlightenment can be found at the mall.) Essentially, if the Divine mind is my mind and your mind and everybody's mind (goo goo g'jub), then an act of Will is a simple Choice asserted onto Creation... whether it be for flying engines, time travel, or the ability to remotely send large jolts of electrical energy to telemarketers. People seem to make the mistake of thinking of technology as objectively real, probably because it follows a more or less internally-consistent set of causal rules, and because Causality itself is so easy to accept as objectively real unless you think about it. But ultimately, it's about as arbitrary and kludgey as anything else in Causality - and some people will tell you up-front that Causality isessentially held together by the metaphysical equivalent of Elmer's glue and popsicle sticks.

The description of mystical abilities you mentioned reminds me of something I'd come across years ago from an Indian text. It mentioned those abilities, called them miracle powers, and described them as part of a cautionary note to spiritual practitioners. Essentially, it was part of a very stern and quaint admonition that, if practitioners developed advanced states of consciousness, many would probably develop abilities like those as miracle powers... and that the practitioners shouldn't allow themselves to become distracted by the niftiness of the metaphysical gimmickry, because that would take their focus off of spiritual development. Sort of the last line of defense of the ego, overemphasizing the ability to make reality perform Stupid Pet Tricks to get people to invest themselves in, and re-attach themselves to, the manifest world again - to the exclusion of spiritual principles. Good to keep in mind, I suppose - Western magickal practices carry the same sort of admonition distinguishing between low magick (the "Bewitched" kind of stuff) and high magick (acts of Will to bring the world to a higher state of being) for pretty much the same reason. (At this point, some of us are pretty tired of both kinds of magick, particularly as high magick tends to present the world as some kind of helpless damsel-in-distress in need of saving, when in actuality the world could bail itself out any time it chose if people simply grabbed a bucket and started bailing.)

I'm not sure about the spans of time involved that you'd mentioned. You get a lot of that type of thing in a lot of the world's major religions in terms of weird numbers, with many of them recurring throughout the texts. Sounds likely that they're not meant literally, but as some means of conveying other information. Astrological, metaphysical, I don't know enough to say with any assurance of accuracy. My sense is that they're a reference to some kind of energy resonance, sort of like Western scientists would measure a sound wave in cycles per second. Call it a hunch.

And nifty for sharing some of the audial messages you've picked up. Personal experiences like that are usually cards people keep close to their chest, whether out of fear or self-doubt. But I don't think they're as uncommon as all that - it's just that if nobody talks about them, it seems like nobody's having them. Kind of like sex in the early 1900's - while it didn't show up in much of the literature and imagery of the day, we're almost certain that people back then were having it. The only way to bring stuff like this out of the closet is to start talking about it - thanks for being open enough to help start the ball rolling.

mulder profile image

mulder  says:
16 months ago

As a ufologist for AUFORN I am lucky to have access to great info about ufos time travel etc but this hub has open my eyes a bit more thanks for that .

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Bard of Ely  says:
16 months ago

Hi Pam! Thanks for namechecking me in this most inspired and excellent hub! I would add that it occurs to me that mind over matter is similar to vimanas powered by mantras. Little kids often say and believe they can do things that adults tell them they cannot! We are brought up to believe in mechanical stuff and told that non-mechanical stuff isn't real and thus we become souls trapped and "living in a material world" to quote Madonna. The people of the times when vimanas were powered by mantras would not have been subjected to this materialist programming.

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pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

Hi jacobworld & mulder! Thank you for reading this and taking time to comment. I really appreciate it.

Hiya Steve! I really enjoyed writing this. I love these kinds of topics. Thanks for getting me going with your London squat hub about the apparition and the mantra.

Satori, you made so many good points there--I loved this part: "...whether it be for flying engines, time travel, or the ability to remotely send large jolts of electrical energy to telemarketers." I'm glad people CAN'T do that now, since I'm still answering the phones for the bank and I would almost certainly be a cinder. Also this line is great: "Evidently, somebody decided that a garish, repeating pattern of eyestab-red cherries was just what Creation needed, and here we are."

Yeah, we need to REDECORATE! But right now I'm kind of of a mind to just let the whole thing fall. I don't think it can be saved and I don't think it's worth saving.

You're right about the admonitions against using the 'siddhis' or magical powers. That admonition was the source of my idea for 'Bad Yogis', my evil secret magicians idea--but then, as you so deftly pointed out to me, oops, that would the people I work for actually.

I wish I could just write stuff like this all the time. I agree also that probably these experiences are more common than we know because people are afraid to talk about them. Some of that fear is realistic though. Look at this poor whack-job they are pinning the anthrax murders on---Maybe he did it, but there is so much doubt about it that declaring 'case closed' looks beyond premature. They hounded the guy to suicide, and before that they were hounding another guy, but the other guy sued them so they backed off. We're living through some dark, dark times,and if you look weird or different, it can be risky. The weak are destroyed quickly.

I think you are right on about the descriptions of time in the Vedas. I was just trying to vastness, and your comments on causality apply. Causality is like a thread running through a limitless ocean. We look at the thread and say, "That's reality, that's the Law." Yeah, right.

Fun stuff. Thanks guys!

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Bard of Ely  says:
16 months ago

PS I love that video you posted. Going to watch it again later!

myway720 profile image

myway720  says:
16 months ago

Great hub! I am interested in UFO's and the paranormal. While I don't believe that evey UFO is an alien craft (Some pics in UFO books do look suspiciously like hubcaps or plates turned upside down.), or that every strange occurrance is the paranormal, I do belive that UFO's do exist and are either alien craft or time travelers as you say they might be, and that true "paranormal" things do happen. Your hub shows well how these things may be connected.

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pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

Thank you for your thoughts myway720! I'm flattered that you read my hub all the way through. Thanks for commenting.

Steve, that video is so soothing, isn't it? I love it too.

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ColdWarBaby  says:
16 months ago

"In other words, the mind of god is your mind and my mind and permeates everything, all matter, all time..."

Interesting concept, the mind of god.  Being is god and god is mindless.  No judgement, no reward, no punishment.  Just being.  Perhaps the universe is the mind of god.

This kind of thing is more fun than the material world.  Reality is for those who lack imagination.  I have a pin with those words on it.  I wear it on my favorite denim jacket.

By the way, that video really takes me back.

There is no way to Peace. Peace is the Way.

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

Hi Coldwarbaby. I guess I'm a geriatric hippie, really. It suits me though so I don't mind. I have a button that says "It is easier for the eye of a rich man to pass through camel than for a needle to enter heaven."

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robie2  says:
16 months ago

What???you mean Chariots of the Gods was not based on scientific fact? I'm shocked -- oh well, I love the video--peace man, where's Woodstock? Is it the sixties yet????

In the meantime another thumbs up for you,pg:-)

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

Robie, lets plan Son of Woodstock! We can hire geezer psychodelic rock bands and pass out Ex-lax and Viagra and Boniva and Klonopin. "Hey man, stay away from the brown Boniva man..."

That would be so cool.

True story: I was watching some daytime commercial the other day for Metmucil or some old people drug like that, and in the background was this elevator-musak--you know the kind I mean, generic like you hear in the supermarket line, and gradually I realized the tune was "In a Gadda da Vida" ---only in musak! I about wet myself laughing. (Good thing was have Depends now!)

robie2 profile image

robie2  says:
16 months ago

Brown Boniva LOL. I'm staying away from the Klonopin--that stuff is addictive.

I hear there are a lot of old Hippie Rock Bands in Brattleboro Vermont hanging out with Ben and Jerry and the crunchy granola crowd there--maybe a good venue for Son of Woodstock. You plan it, I'll show up with flowers in my grey hair :-)

It still astounds me that the toys I played with as a child are now being sold as antiques and collectables on ebay:-)

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The Lost Dutchman  says:
16 months ago

Great stuff! I liked it a lot!

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

Thanks Lost Dutchman!

Robie2, I had the original Beatles album "Meet the Beatles", the first Chatty Cathy, and the original Barbie with the bubble hair-do. If I still had those now, I could retire! Don't know where the Beatles album or the Chatty Cathy are, but my younger sister chewed the feet and hands off the Barbie and colored all over its face.

She had issues.

robie2 profile image

robie2  says:
16 months ago

Chatty Cathy--oh yes, I remember. She used to say "play with me" in this asinine voice when you pulled her chatty ring LOL. I also had a Betsy Wetsy doll--guess it's obvious what her big talent was:-)

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

Betsy Wetsy! Awesome! Hey. I remember her. There's a hub in this somewhere, robie...

robie2 profile image

robie2  says:
16 months ago

Here's a link for you, Pam--ROTFL

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-walt-babybo

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
16 months ago

LOL! Oh my God, I'm sending that one to Bill. That is so Right On Sistah!

issues veritas  says:
9 months ago

pg

interesting hub

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someonewhoknows  says:
9 months ago

What's old is new again,is a familiar saying,that reminds me of,the latest technology,the kind that you might consider to be magic,were it not ,obvious it was not.Such as remotely con-trolled ,vehicles,such as those used in the military.

Voice activated toy's,etc...

So,why is it ,so hard to believe that, such technology existed in the distant past?

Lest we forget,the past,we are "doomed" to repeat it! LOL !

Or,should I say ,lest we repeat the past we are "doomed",to forget it! LOL !

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
9 months ago

Good point! I confess I love this kind of stuff, even though 98% of is just silly. It's that other 2% thaat is worth it. Thanks for you thoughts!

netadept profile image

netadept  says:
4 months ago

I enjoyed reading your article very much, these kind of things have always fascinated me.

Cheers!

pgrundy profile image

pgrundy  says:
4 months ago

Thanks netadept! :)

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Kimberly Bunch  says:
3 months ago

Awesome! Here's a good one too: http://hubpages.com/hub/spiritualpath

wordsword profile image

wordsword  says:
2 months ago

Hi, again a nice and an elevating hub, i think what you experienced is sheer divine ecstasy, its purely spiritual in nature. Satchidananda means it is said is gods original and ultimate form ( sat-chit-ananda). I think you are blessed to hear those eternal chants. Even though at first i felt really surprised reading it, but then thought you might have some spiritual connection with the land of spirituality , the land of mystics. I am still surprised. Nice and very good hub.

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pgrundy  says:
2 months ago

Thanks wordsword--I was surprised too. It took me years to find the meaning of that word and more years to find the meaning of the chant. I'm inclined to think now that yes, it was a spiritual experience, though why someone in the midwest with no particular religious practice would have that is beyond me. Thank you for the information about the meaning of Sat-chit-ananda being God's original form. That makes sense. :)

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wordsword  says:
2 months ago

Hi, i should really appreciate your efforts in finding out the meaning of the words and the way you have written down the chants for the fear of forgetting them, truly shows your commitment. There is a Sanskrit saying "shraddha vaan labhate gnaanum" it means the knowledge is readily available for an earnest seeker. Love is his form, truth is his breath and bliss is his food, words falls short to describe what exactly is his form. As again the sat chit ananda can only be experienced because this is something that the words fail to convey, even the scriptures and manuscripts only help to some extent, ultimately its all about experiencing it. Its just as repeating sugar name thousand times cannot make your tongue sweet but just by having pinch of sugar can make your tongue sweet, in the same way one experience the state of sat chit anada. Let me also tell you it took several thousand and thousand years for those great sages to understand that all that knowledge they have gained through the way of scriptures and manuscripts is just a drop of ocean and there is still out the ocean at large. Thank you.

Peace...peace...peace.

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pgrundy  says:
2 months ago

wordsword--You said that so beautifully. Thank you.

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