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My Investment: The Cost of Breeding Reptiles

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By Whitney05


Although, I have had reptiles for years and have successfully bred them, which started as an accident, but either way, I never really considered breeding for anything but my own enjoyment and pets. I either kept what I bred or gave the hatchlings to friends. I was responsible with my initial breedings, but I usually don't recommend it others. Please realize that before my first mating pair, I had researched reptiles, the leopard gecko more extensively, for over 2 years at that point with 1 year of hands on experience.

I had the grand idea of starting a reptile hobby- breeding business back in 2006. Luckily, my father has the internet, web designing gene and together we came up with a domain name and a website. The website has been by far the simplest thing to keep up and manage. Everything else is a pain!


Reptile Racks

Leopard geckos hatchlings and gargoyle breeders
Leopard geckos hatchlings and gargoyle breeders
Leopard gecko breeders; crested gecko breeders on left; juvie cresteds and gargs on right
Leopard gecko breeders; crested gecko breeders on left; juvie cresteds and gargs on right
Crested gecko hactchlings and gargoyle juvies
Crested gecko hactchlings and gargoyle juvies

The Bills & Expenses

One may not think there are too many bills in regards to reptiles. They're not like dogs in the sense that they need yearly shots. They don't require expensive premium foods. They're simple, right?

Well, if you're going to be serious about it, even if it's a hobby, you at least have to have nice breeders.

Now, I had already decided that I was going to start off with leopard geckos, African fat tail geckos, and then move towards crested geckos, gargoyle geckos, and others. I already had one African fat tail and a few leopard geckos, but my leopard geckos were more pets, not breeding quality. I had to find a few nice reptiles to start off with.

Searching through the internet and speaking with a few of reptile pals, I found a few good breeds that happened to have geckos that I was interested in.

I started with 5 unsexed crested geckos for $195 (including shipping), 4 African fat tails for $300 (including shipping), and 4 leopard geckos for $700(including shipping from two different breeders).

Then it was time for a reptile rack for $300, which I ordered wrong and had to order Flexwatt heat tape and wiring equipment (another $50). I had to purchase a digital porportional thermostat for over $100 to make sure that the Flexwatt tape doesn't overheat and catch the house on fire.

When drilling air holes, a few of the tubs cracked, so I had to purchase a few spare tubs for $2 each.

More calcium supplements, vitamins, and crested gecko meal replacement.

Food and water bowls; I started off with gatoraid tops, but they needed to be refilled often and just didn't hold enough. I need bigger bowls that would hold more water and keep mealworms from climbing out.

Which, leads me to mealworms and crickets in bulk.

Luckily, in terms of the website, my father hosts it on his server and he pays the goDaddy domain charge.

Leopard Gecko Rack

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Tubs on right have older breeders, and tubs on left have new newer, younger breeders.
Tubs on right have older breeders, and tubs on left have new newer, younger breeders.


Breeding Supplies

Incubation supplies in middle cage, other supplies in top. Male pet leopard gecko in bottom cage. Juvenile gargoyle gecko to right.
Incubation supplies in middle cage, other supplies in top. Male pet leopard gecko in bottom cage. Juvenile gargoyle gecko to right.
Empty hatchling crested gecko tub, extra incubator, slate tiles, 2 digitial scales, and photography backgrounds.
Empty hatchling crested gecko tub, extra incubator, slate tiles, 2 digitial scales, and photography backgrounds.
Mini- Fridge to house open baby foom, mealworms, frozen mice, etc.; incubator; packing supplies to left.
Mini- Fridge to house open baby foom, mealworms, frozen mice, etc.; incubator; packing supplies to left.

Supplies

The supplies are second on my list of troubles of a business, whether it be a hobby or full- time. I, actually, think that supplies are probably one of the more troublesome expenses to any business. In terms of purchases for animals, it's a constant renewal of supplies so that you never are completely out; no bottle should ever be empty before a replacement is purchased.

Supplies for breeding reptiles that I must always have on hand include:

  • Calcium supplement
  • Vitamin/ mineral supplement
  • Liquid calcium (for gravid females)
  • Crested gecko meal replacement diet
  • Egg cartons
  • Perlite (for incubation)
  • Various sized plastic deli cups with lids (for shipping reptiles and incubation)
  • Fragile- perishable shipping boxes with fitted insulation

Ok, well the egg cartons aren't a constant, every day purchase, but I need them on hand for crested gecko and gargoyle gecko enclosures, as well as for feeder crickets and roaches.

Items that I like to have extras of, but are not necessary or can be substituted temporarily include:

  • Food and Water bowls
  • Fake plants
  • Snake aspen

Other supplies that I use:

  • All natural baby food
  • Digital scale (keeping proper weights)
  • Hovabator incubators (but I have plans to upgrade to a Nature's Spirit)
  • Spray bottles
  • Exo Terra Electrolize Drops
  • Exo Terra Calcimize Drops
  • Liquid Vitamin Electrolyte Spray
  • Paper towels

Feeder Insects

And, the absolute worse part of of the expenses comes in the form of nasty, creepy crawly BUGS!

  • Crickets
  • Mealworms
  • Discoid Roaches
  • Phoenix Worms
  • Waxworms (on occasion)

I am, by no means, a big time reptile breeder, and I never plan to be such; I just have more reptiles than the regular reptile owner of one or two. I have to pay $50- $75 for 10,000 to 20,000 mealworms every few months. To date, this money is just thrown away.


Geckos

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RAPTOR leopard gecko
RAPTOR leopard gecko

The Investments

Past the supplies, the investments are the most costly part in any business, whether they be a new invention, stock, bonds, or in this case reptiles.

Being that goReptiles is more of a hobby (an expensive one), I take the mindset of a it as business when in terms of making the right investments and purchasing the right reptiles. I have to be smart and savvy- barter a little, try to get a lower price. I have to decide with a set income (very little at the moment) what I can afford to buy and what I can't. If I find a perfect addition to my collection, but the price is too much, then I have to pass, otherwise, I jump on it. Occasionally, I'm able to find gorgeous reptiles for a cheap price, or multiple reptiles for a great deal- those get purchased and shipped to my door.

But, again with a set income, I can't shop around all the time. It's the occasional purchase that works for my hobby.

I have to make sure to bring in new bloodlines and new reptiles to make the morphs better in terms of possible hatchlings.

I have to make sure that my breeders are affordable to my pocket, but at the same time will lead me to a nicely priced hatchling to help pay for breeders, accessories, and feeder insects.

In Conclusion...

The investments of my hobby are the most important part of the hobby as without them I would have no hatchlings, which means no business. So, I take my investments seriously, not only because of the money I spend to care for them, but the money I spend to purchase them and the money I hope to gain from them.

The moment I can't handle my chosen hobby, is the exact moment that I bow down and back out because I will not purposely put any animal under harm or neglect.

And, because it is a hobby and no where near a true, profitable business, I'm in debt... Serious debt... Currently, with my purchases on supplies and investments, I'm in the hole over $1,500. The reason being is that most of my breeders are younger and cannot be bred at their current age. Other breeders are first time breeders or virgins.

The moment I care more about the money than the animals, is the moment I've waited one too late to get out...

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Talem profile image

Talem  says:
2 years ago

Great hub. I admire your passion for breeding, and you are genuinely concerned for them, finances aside!

Rudy  says:
2 years ago

This is a well contructed article, for certain. What are you going to do when you graduate from college?

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Whitney05  says:
2 years ago

Thank you Talem.

Rudy- I have no idea!

highwaystar profile image

highwaystar  says:
2 years ago

Hey Whitney05, I've got a new found respect for your open approach to sharing information, I like your style thanks again for the ins and outs of reptile breeding you're much appreciated, cheers!

derekcaulfield  says:
18 months ago

I love animals, but cats the best i think

Funny  says:
17 months ago

I was laughing at this artilce. Poor you $1200 in debt is nothing. The problem you are having is you're inexperience in business planning. You need to breed reptiles in demand. Morphs are in demand. You can buy 1 breeder rack for $1200. You can easily make up the money you spent if you do more research about what people are looking to buy in the reptile world. ;) Good luck. You have a lot to learn but it looks like you got your feet wet with breeding.

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Whitney05  says:
17 months ago

I never said that $1200 was a lot for everyone, but for me it is. Please do not make assumptions. Also, even if you purchase morphs in demand, let them grow to appropriate breeding weights, they may not be in demand any longer. That's why I don't breed for profit, but for a hobby. You can never make tons of money breeding reptiles, unless you are a wholesaler or are one of the more popular breeders. Typically, the larger your name, the more you can charge. I'm not into this. I'm into breeding for a hobby. My feet are more than wet, and by the way I should update my tally to being well over $3,000 in debt, to date.

BoaBilly  says:
16 months ago

I have to agree with "Funny" on this one. I started (as a hobby) Breeding Columbian boas a 2 years ago, I spent 1000 bucks on 2 proven Hypo Boas. 500 on cages, 200 on food for the first six months. All in all it was 2000 investment with everything but when they gave birth... 21 babies = 3500 dollars! I almost doubled my money in six months, they bred again that year too. a total of 4300 profit in one year.

Ive expanded my collection and this year I am expecting 11,000 profit, Please note I STILL CONSIDER THIS A HOBBY, but I RUN it like a business.

So be smart.

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Whitney05  says:
16 months ago

Oh definitely. I've spent a few grand this year on different types and morphs of geckos, but I doubt that I make profit as you had. The gecko market is very variable when compared to boas and snakes. It seems I can pay $500 for a gecko and months later, I'll find something similar for like $300.

Definitely still a hobby, lol

BoaBilly  says:
16 months ago

I hear that, geckos are definitely a riskier market, you have to have alot bigger balls to spend half a grand on a gecko. Boas require smaller balls, they are definitely safer. even the ball python market is shaky, I have started breeding some morphs and it is like a roller coaster. but I still dont have the stomach for geckos yet. so for that I commend you! anyhow I did enjoy your article and it will make people think. this is like a dot.com business, many will jump in for fast cash and flop in a year, but the dedicated, patient few that make it will make it big.

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Whitney05  says:
16 months ago

Yea I think BPs are on the verge of being as variable as geckos, but boas and other pythons, not as much. I think a lot of colubrids are that way too. I've thought about breeding BPs, but I can't right now, as I'm living back at home, and they only allow the one. They don't mind the geckos, even though they don't like the amount of electricity they use.

I really do get sick when I realize how mu I spent on breeders and how much I'd be lucky to get back for them. I've recently purchased two male enigmas, and I know next year when they're breedable, I'm going to be pissed as I have a feeling that the market is going to be so full of them, the only way to sell them is to go way cheap and to basically get lucky.

BoaBilly  says:
15 months ago

Yeah the ball market is definitely hit and miss. Even with high end morphs, its gambling, one Morph might be going for 1500 a pop, six months from now the same morph will be getting 200. so you have to really predict the market well and hope for the best. Albino balls are a relatively stable market, and I think they will be that way for a long time. Piebalds I think will maintain ther stability for a good long while as well. Boas are easy and the market is always stable, they also have a lot of offspring, another plus.

I have been wanting to get into breeding lizards but I am just not sure which yet. I was thinking Uromastyx but I hear breeding them is hard and I cant find much on the internet. so mabye there is a good reason why not a lot of people breed them but hey, I am always up for a challenge.

So a very attractive woman who breeds reptiles, you must get hit on a lot at reptile expos, just teasing of course, I just dont see a lot of women in the hobby and the few that are, are usually, well... Ill leave it at that.

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Whitney05  says:
15 months ago

I'd love to get into breeding Balls, but I barely have the time for the geckos and my ever expanding collection. ha. I would suggest bearded dragons, if you sell low they go quick. Uromastyx are cool, too.

I actually prefer not to go to expos. In GA, the expos are mostly snakes anyway.

Hamster Crazy  says:
7 months ago

Hey! I was just ondering if you couldtell me where you got the large plastic bin in the first "Reptile Rack" picture. The second one down?

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Whitney05  says:
7 months ago

The larger plastic bin? From Big lots.

Hamster Crazy  says:
7 months ago

Hmm... I can't seem to find t. Is it sold online? ('Cause I'm pretty sure that's not a Winnie-The-Pooh storage bin.)

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Whitney05  says:
7 months ago

I got the bin at BigLots. Target and Walmart sells similar storage tubs. It's just a 66quart tub.

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nicko guzman  says:
7 months ago

I know this is besides the topic,but...hmm...where can I buy good feeder insects/live rats(I prefer to put out myself so I can inspect)and I do love rats as pets,but my pets have got to eat.I just cannot feed my own rats.I just love them too much.Great hub.Breeding is expensive.I have tried many times,but I ended up keeping most.Thank you so much.

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Whitney05  says:
7 months ago

It depends on what you're looking for in terms of feeder insects. It's a good idea to find a place that's closest to you so that you can get overnight shipping for cheaper; otherwise it's typically priotity. I use flukers for crickets bc it's cheaper, but overnight is expensive bc they're further away than I'd like. The closest insect breeders to me have problems shipping in cold weather; with 75% dead most of the time, yet with other companies do it there aren't any problems. I used closer companies during warm months, but pay a tad more in shipping for fluker's during cooler months.

You'll have to just look around. I opt for different places depending on what I'm purchasing at the time since some places offer cheaper crickets but others may have cheaper superworms.

You'll have to purchase live rodents locally, as you'll probably not find anyone who will ship them to you. Best bet is to breed them. That's the cheapest method.

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nicko guzman  says:
7 months ago

Youre probably are right about the rodents.I am going to try not to bond with them.haha.thanks

Hamster Crazy  says:
7 months ago

Thanks a ton! Walmart has a lovely selection!

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Whitney05  says:
7 months ago

Nicko, that's a good idea. that or just buy frozen,

Hamster crazy, yes walmart is another source of tubs.

illminatus profile image

illminatus  says:
6 months ago

Whitney I use breed "leos" as well. Very interesting article. How are you doing these days? Any success?

Whitney05 profile image

Whitney05  says:
6 months ago

That's cool. I am doing well. Success at times when I have anything available. All depends.

TAM  says:
6 months ago

i've been reading a few of your posts (hubs??) and i have to say that i'm greatly impressed.

you're clearly well educated on the topic and i fully trust your opinion on reptiles. i would also feel very comfortable going to you as a breeder for pets.

when you first started breeding did you have a hard time parting with the hatchlings? i think for myself i'd worry about where they were going, if i could trust the person taking them. do you screen the people you sell to?

Whitney05 profile image

Whitney05  says:
6 months ago

I appreciate the comment and compliment.

Not really. I've tried to stay pretty un-attached to hatchlings and breeders. I have kept a few, but not many.

Chris  says:
4 months ago

Were you able to take your investments off your taxes, and if so, how? I have several ball pythons, and I have a few on deposit at my pet store, and want to breed them. Pretty much same deal as yours; just wanted to know about the taxes deal.

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Whitney05  says:
4 months ago

You have to file with a DBA or as a small business in order to take tax deductions.

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petsnakes  says:
4 months ago

Great advise. So many people don't consider the real expenses to breeding reptiles. I'll be sure to point people who might ask to your hubs. Personally I'm going to breed a couple of Tokay's but it will be, at least for the moment, strictly for personal pleasure.

mr man  says:
4 months ago

I am really found in reptiles and would like to start breeding them(Only small thing). Could any one point me in a good direction for small reptile breeding for mostly my own enjoyment, but to make a bit of money.

I have had reptiles before such as corn snakes and bearded dragons. Please take into consideration that this would be only very small.

Thank you!

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Whitney05  says:
3 months ago

Even small scale, you'll probably not make any money. People who breed, don't breed for the money. In all reality, I'm small scale in ocmparison to most hobby breeders, and it'll be a good minute before I even break even, but I'm not in it for the money. I'ts just the enjoyment of the hobby.

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