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By Justine76


a brief explaintation of sorts

 I have been reading all the domestic abuse hub mob information. I have been through two emotionaly abusive relationships, as well as being raised in a disfunctional (at best) family. The line between abuse, and normal conflict can often be smudged, and it can be difficult for an abused person to even be fully aware that they are abused. Or perhaps, the problem is admitting it. I have not added my hub to the mob, as I do not feel it contains any usefull advice at all. My hope is, that someone reading it, may be able to indentify with this situation, and see that they are not alone. Every once in a while, knowing your not alone can be of help. And also, check out the other wonderful hubs, that do contain usefull advice. I am sorry this is so long, I tired my best to keep it short.


moments of tranquility
moments of tranquility

 

When is ..it's not THAT bad, not enough any more?
How many times can you say, "it's not like that" before it is just like that?

"did you want something to eat?"

vauge empty stare

I don't know what to do. If he's hungry and he doesn't eat he gets mad, low blood sugar problem. Its best to keep the sugar even. We've disscussed it several times, he always says sorry. It's not like hes mean, he's never called me names, he is just...grumpy.. After the food settles in I can see the color come back to his face, the anger draining fast. It sounds stupid, made up, excuses, but I know about real anger problems.

I know about belts, spoons, hairbrushes, wedding rings and books, pennies furiously hurled one by one directly at my face. I know about screaming, name calling, God and rape. I know how it feels to be preganant and litteraly not eat a thing for weeks because all the money got smoked. Being left,stalking, threats and late night phone calls from prison ...I know what real problems look like.

It's not THAT bad. He just needs to eat regularly.

IF I can get him to answer me.

"Did you eat already? Your home late, I didn't know if you stopped off to eat? I made you dinner. Would you like it warmed up"

"damn, you made me loose again!! I was almost there! Now I have to start all over again. STOP NAGGING ME. GOD..."

"I am sorry, I don't meant to nag, I just wanted to know if you ate already." idiot..you KNOW how unnattractive nagging is...

"No, I didn't eat. I worked all day. What do you think? "

I heat up his dinner.

It sits on the couch for half an hour before he eats it. I am dissapointed, I had worked quite a bit on the meal, and it wont taste good at all now, reheated twice. He stirs it all together and wolfs it down, smiles and says.."Thanks honey. Your so good to me. That was yummy. I love you!!" kisses me sweetly on the cheek and turns the video game back on. I carry his plate to the kitchen and finish the dishes while the children play an insanely loud game of hide and seek upstairs. Im feeling good about the day, I did get alot done. I know he can see how clean the house is, and he is thankful for his clean clothes, even if he doesn't say it.I am happy when I hear the kids play, I remember when I was little, no sound was aloud. If I could be heard, it was too loud. Thank God our children are allowed to play. He is a good father.

They come downstairs and I realize with alarm, they are afraid to go across his line of sight. They are hesitating, nervously just at the edge of the stairs...Start, stop, start, like when your getting ready to jump into a game of double dutch. They don't want to make him "mess up". He has never said anything to them but, well, I suppose they can hear when he gets irritated with me...

"Daddy? Daddy? can you pause the game? I have to go to the bathroom?"

nothing

I feel a tingle of rage, awash with memory, again. I feel the paralyzing fear of ..oh no...I was bad again... Take a deep breath and think to myself..hell no, not them. I am NOT my mother.

"kiddos its fine, It's just a game, Daddy's a grown up, he won't get mad if you need to walk through"

He glares at me, a quick look of near hatred, and smiles kindly, "sure kids." Pushes pause, they scream and giggle as he tries to grab their stomachs when they walk by.

"Brush your teeth peanuts."

In joyus chorus "WE WILL DADDY"

I realize it was a slightly snotty way to say it, but I knew if I asked him, he would ignore me, and I didn't want to make the kids upset, so...

"sorry honey. I wasn't trying to make you mad. The kids just needed to get by and I didn't think you heard them."

"nice. Im a 'grown up'?" can he be any more scathing?

Story time is over, they hug and kiss him goodnight. I love that he reads to them every night. They talk a little about thier days and off to bed. While I am tucking them in I hear the shooting again. The constant shooting...

There is nothing left to do. I can't put the laundry away, that would require crossing the line of vision. And if I go to bed without him, he'll be mad. He won't talk to me for days. I think I hate that most of all. The silence. But at least he doesnt yell. I sit for 2 hours and stare at the game. He occasionally curses quietly when something goes wrong. I am thinking about how to tell him about my day without it being too long. I can talk too much sometimes, a fault I know I have. I know its too long, when I see thier eyes go blank, they aren't listening. I have bored them, again. I can be boring. Its just that I have so many things to say, and no one to say them to. I drift off into dreams and memories. I think, funny, the only people I know now, are my husband, his familly and my children. How did that happen? I had friends...lots of friends...they all slowly dripped away. Bit by bit, this married life took over. I gladly let it, he didnt make me. Did he?

The controler is violently flung to the floor. "stupid game!! Lets see whats on TV. Im to frustrated to go bed."

"OK!!!"

He lets me sit by him. He puts his arm around me and I feel like a teenager on my first date. Well, what I imagine a first date feels like, somehow I always managed to skip the date and now I'm married. It's been so long since he touched me. My heart beats wildy and I sit and stare at his face. I think if I loved him any more, my heart would burst. I think of all the long years Ive known and loved him. I know, I just need to be patient, be careful to not make it any worse, he will come out of it and we will go back to happy. He gently pats my head and without looking at me, a slight crack in his voice....

"Honey I love you more then anything. I don't know how I could live if you ever left me. Im not threatening you, I'm just saying, I dont think I could go on. I am so sorry I've been such a jerk lately. You deserve better."

"I dont want better. I want you. I want you to SEE me."

"I know. I'll do better, I'll be better. I promise."

He holds me close, kisses me softly. Its all I can do to keep the tears away. We make love, and its like magic...

Thats how it goes, I know things will be good again for days, maybe weeks, somtimes even months. I knew if I waited, he would come out of it. Theres no one who can love him like me. Im the only one who understands him. I know how that sounds, but its really not like that. He is so much more then anyone else I've had. Certainly better then what my mother was stuck with all those years. I wonder somtimes if its healthy. Are we ok? The things we dont talk about, but.. its not that bad. We don't fight. We do have good times. I know what abuse is all right. I know what negelct is, and every once in a while, I get nervous. But that's just me, over reacting because of my past, I'm sure. He doesn't abuse me. He is a good man, he loves me. We used to laugh and talk for hours, we had butter fights and kissed in the rain. We went to the movies and stayed out all night. But we have kids now, and I don't have a job, not so much money. That's how it supposed to go? right? why do I feel so scared then? He works hard to provide for us, and I know I can be demanding. It must be hard, being married to me. He puts up with it hte best I think anyone could. I might be going crazy..I'll drop it..I know Im making too much out this. I have to make up my own mind, see..theres no one to ask........

Lifes routine slips on. It gets better it gets worse, its never all that bad. Its in my head, Im too demanding. Im selfish and need to get a grip. When I do good enough, he sees me again. He always says sorry, but I know it's my fault. That thing with that girl comes and goes, he swears he didnt do anything. He was tempted and it was close, he got to her parking lot, that time she got a good story to get him over there. Her dog needed water. But then he stayed in the truck when she went up. Hes a man, he can't help it. I knew I had gained wieght after all...I know she came to our house, but the kids were here. I don't think he would do anything with the kids here. I have no choice but to believe him. I said I forgive you, he didn't want to be forgiven. He hadn't done anything. I had to crawl for months then, I had been wrong in assuming he was wrong. Am I complaining now? Painting him in a bad light? Is THIS wrong..am I cheating with you all here? I apologize if I am. I don't know....my intention is to state the facts, but maybe I got them mixed....

His sister came back and we were finally best friends again. She was a mess and needed me bad. I hadn't had a friend in 7 years. I met my niece and nephew and he resented our friendship, just a little. He started staying out later and later, longer and longer, higher and drunker....summer slipped by...and the world stopped for us that fall. They found him in the woods, alone with a shot gun. Turns out the second times a charm.....I cleaned his apartment, and took care of the cat. It had worms and shat in my bath tub. I let them sit and cry for months and I fed them and slowly life went on. Its a sperate story yet has bearing on this one, as we never talked about it. We cried and clung and "got over it" eventually. Then the day I found the secret. The reasons why, it was never my fault. Well, some would say it was, but I deny that. He said it wasn't my fualt. I can not divulge that information as I know he would feel betrayed. It's not what you think, yet it did hurt me greatly. We cried agian, for a night and a day. The next morning as he went off to work, I feared he was leaving but he didn't have the strength. He can't live without me. He promised never again, and he was so ashamed and sorry. I knew in my heart it was promise he could not keep. Still, I was relieved some, I thought..its all out now..we can be honest and stronger and now he won't leave me any more...

It was the best it had ever been. Slow and shaky but REAL. He could look me in the eye, and he told me he loved me every day. He was sober. We were happy, but we never talked about it again. Untill November 11. I knew it was a promise he couldn't keep. Addictions are hard, especially if a person won't admit its an addiction. "There is no such thing as addiction, its all about choices. You choose to do it or not." This time he's not sorry, he's angry. I need to get over it, it's just how men are. I said I would forgive him and now I have to. Then comes one of the worst 3 day benders I have ever seen. I tell him if he doesn't come home sober on the fourth, I am leaving. He is sober, he tells me "thats why 'he' did it you know. Because my sister left him." Is it a warning? I am terrified.

Two years later, and now I think I broke it. I need to repeatedly apologize for my feelings being hurt. I kept a secret, I didn't even know it was a secret. It was more of an ommision, for the sake of keeping a coversation short enough to be heard. I know now, I should have known all along. But whats done is done and you can't take it back. It was all so smooth and quiet. Not as brightly good as in the begining, but safe and secure and how wonderful it is to be in denial. The years have slipped by and I have learned my role so well that I am safe within it. We have quiet dinners all together at the table. He actively partcipates in the children's lives and only turns to the video games once they are happily on their way. Only when he's drunk does he let it slip, that he's playing his role. He jsut doesnt look at me the same anymore, and I dont know how to fix it anymore. What was once a beautifull thing, deep and real, is a shadow of an existence. How long will I watch the shattered shards of what once was, rain down around me? In this light, driving you home from the bar again, your pale sick face, leaning against the window, as you utter those ugly words to me, the ones I know you will claim to have forgotten tomorrow, I think..but its not like that. He hasn't been like this in years, I pushed him to it this time. The snow is falling and I am afriad I will slip off the road, I can barely see due to the tears that just wont stop...

These things I wont tell anyone, because I dont want to make him "look bad". He told me.."Thats what poeple who cheat do. This is how it starts, they pick at thier spouse, they find tiny flaws, and exaggerate them, so they can feel better about themselves. They look for comfort elsewhere. Trust me if I wanted to, I could find plenty wrong with you too." Well, I am not a cheater. He isnt always like this. I love him, I made a promise and intend to stick by it. But its more then that, I wont even tell myself these things are happening. How would I know, maybe this is all there is. It was a stupid dream, and now is reality, and perhaps I am that weak and useless. I sit and think of the years I have sat alone right next to him. The moments he smiled at me, and I felt I could fly. Only two more miles and we will be home. Does everyone go through this? I stay without sleeping, on the couch. He told me to leave him the fuck alone, so I am. I think about getting in the van and never coming back, but I know I wont. Tomorrow I will need to apologize for it, I will not cry. He hates it when I cry. But its not THAT bad...I have been through far worse.

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dohn121 profile image

dohn121  says:
4 weeks ago

I really hope that you and your husband can find some resolution, DM. Due to the fact that the holidays are fast approaching, perhaps the both of you can set aside your differences and make this thing work. Good luck and cheers to your courage.

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Justine76  says:
4 weeks ago

Thanks Dohn, the holidays are always good. I want it to work too.

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bloodnlatex  says:
4 weeks ago

I know that you didn't write this to have people feel sorry for you, but I reallyhope that you can find away to get him to treat you the way you should be treated. I do admire your strength and devotion though. You are a great person, and I would love to see you get everything that you deserve.

Ivorwen profile image

Ivorwen  says:
4 weeks ago

I hope this November 11th will be better for you. ((Hugs))

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Jess Killmenow  says:
4 weeks ago

There is a lot of truth here, laid out on these pages. It's good you wrote it and important that it is read.

Thank you, Justine

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poetlorraine  says:
4 weeks ago

keep on keeping on

I*n*v*i*c*t*u*s profile image

I*n*v*i*c*t*u*s  says:
4 weeks ago

Oh... I so feel you, though in my past...while I was married.

I feel for you, yet and grateful for how you see the longterm

commitment. (my situation had sizable unhealthy things)..

I wish you the best, and it is great you are getting it out!. I have known of you through a couple of my lives here, ;)

Hey, hope this 11th November is MUCH better...If not maybe we could have a party here.. ha ha ... I am turning 37 on the 11th.. woah, to think when I was a chid and my mother had hers, I thought she was a dinasour. lol.

Be well... :D

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myownworld  says:
4 weeks ago

I have to say this really hit me. Not only because of the way you've written it (I love your writing style) but it seems quite similar to my own life as well (not so extreme perhaps, but there are quite a few similarities). Perhaps, all married lives turn into this after a while...and because of the children, one has no choice but to keep telling oneself, 'it's not that bad'! I know it's easy to break a relationship...much much harder to stay in it for the sake of those you love.

all my love to you justine....this was one powerful hub! xx

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Justine76  says:
4 weeks ago

Hey Blood, yeah I did not want anyone to feel sorry for me. I wrote this a while ago, in bits and pieces, and it was a huge struggle to decide wether or not to publish, then the whole "abuse hub mob" thingy happened and I figured...oh well. So what if someone somewhere misunderstands? If even one person feels better becuase they aren't alone, it's worth it. Thanks for all the nice stuff you said. People get what they give, I don't believe in deserving.

Ivorwen, thanks for the hug. Right back at ya!! Today is the 10th, so far I am sure things are fine!! The only reason I remember the date, is that morning that year, we had our first snow, and I had taken pictures. The next morning I was putting the pics on my computer, noticed teh date and thought how funny, you can be going along happy as anything, carefree and life is great, and by the next morning its all upside down. Of course, it goes the other way too!! Thanks for reading.

Jess, thank you. As always, another insightful comment. I am glad you approve. like I said, I did have a hard time deciding to write or not.

Hey there Lorraine, you KNOW I will! Thank you!! :)

Hi, I can't believe Invictus is here. WOW. :) I am sorry you had a bad marriage, I hope your well now? I am pretty sure a party can be thrown in your honour tomorrow!! I have also known of you, through my past lives. I am sorry I dont know about YOUR other lives though...or do I? And my kids think I am a dinosaur as well. We were just talking about it this morning. Thank you very much for your comment!

Myownworld. I cant say what your comment means to me. I am smiling so big and crying at the same time. I am sad that you have similarities, but not all that surprised to be honest. I hate that "this is hwo it goes"..I constantly feel like ...WHY??!!!! It wasnt before? Where did it go? there HAS to be some way of making it better. I will let you know when I discover the secret cure to marriage decay. I have read tons of advice on preventing it. But like the 23 year old girl I was, I figured I was all grown up and knew better...

All my love to you as well, thank you.

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bloodnlatex  says:
4 weeks ago

I understand why you wrote it, and I think that it is great that you did. All I meant to say is that you seem to be a great loving, caring and giving person and I just really want you to get the best that life has to offer. And I did mean it as a compliment when I said that you were a real person. You say what is on your mind and what you feel without worring about what other people are going to say about it. That is a great quality to have!

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prettydarkhorse  says:
4 weeks ago

hi, good day justine, quality hub too, i like the way you write, and I like the courage in you, you say it in a nice way, cheers to you, brave woman! I want to hug you, so tight,

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NaomiR  says:
4 weeks ago

Thank you for being so honest about your life and for sharing your story. That takes a lot of courage. ((Hugs))

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keira7  says:
4 weeks ago

I really love the way you write, you are very special person and even I dont know you, I have the feeling that I do. I had a lot of tears reading your hub, love can cause a lot of pain, I really pray for you my friend, to stay, strong. Really great hub. Thanks for sharing and thank you for been a friend and a fan.God Bless you Justine.

If one day you need to talk you can always rely on me, you can e.mail me.:) Take care my dear friend.:)

Anath profile image

Anath  says:
4 weeks ago

Very courageous writing. I sincerely hope that you stop living that way. That is no way to live. You are worth more than all that!

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Lissa Lynn  says:
4 weeks ago

You're very brave to bare all in your writing, I applaud you and hope things get better for you very soon. This was very well written. Thanks for sharing it with us.

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Dim Flaxenwick  says:
3 weeks ago

I have a truly 'best friend ' who lives with a husband who sounds exactly the way you have described. Why must it always be your fault? It's not, my dear. It's him., plus the ghosts of your past, making you feel as you do. You are a strong woman. Your children love you and you are worthy of being loved. Hang on in there. May things get better soon for you. x

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earnestshub  says:
3 weeks ago

Goodness me. I loved this hub even more than the last one I read of yours!

I am sorry we men can be such fools.

What a loss to any man to lose you!

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Justine76  says:
3 weeks ago

HI everybody. Thank you with all my heart for your thoughtful, caring comments.

Blood, if only I really didn't care what people think, Im just not able to shut my mouth. :)

Pretty, Ill take that hug, and one back to you.

Naomi, yoru welcom, and thank you for reading. Im not so sure it was courage. I am pleased you enjoyed this.

Keira, I apprieciate that. I am doing well today. Thank you for the prayers. I hope you are well too.

Anath, what can I say? I know I am worth more, but I love him. Its not always bad. I just keep hoping, if I hold on long enough, we will turn a new corner.

Hello Lisa, I am glad you stopped by. Thank you for your kidn words. I am sure things will get better. They always seem to work out somehow.

DF, I intend to keep on keepin' on. Rough patches are part of life, I thought maybe if I wrote this, other people who have them would know they arent alone.

Hello again Earnest. :) Its not men, its people. We are all fools at times. Lord knows I have made my fair share of stupid mistakes. Thanks ever so much for reading, and I hope to write something a bit cheerier soon!!

Pacal Votan  says:
3 weeks ago

I know it's none of my business, but do you ever get away from home together? Breaking away from daily reality can sometimes work miracles (and I mean together and not the video game way). And you don't need miracles, only a chance to really speak together. Seeing your life from the outsiders perspective, as if you were someone else, could possibly help.

What was different in the happy days? Maybe something is missing. Maybe it's just good prospects for the future. You need something to look forward to. Finding some occupation together always helps. Can you try to do something about it?

Look at all these people. We all love you.

Justine76 profile image

Justine76  says:
3 weeks ago

Pacal, your a sweetheart. Thank you for your thoughtful advice.

We are trying to spend more time together, that makes a big difference. I am very happy to have so many hubfriends.

ps....I will try to write you tomorrow, ok? I didnt want you to think I was ignoring you.

Pacal Votan  says:
3 weeks ago

I don't think you are ignoring me. I love to see you around on hp. :)

Justine76 profile image

Justine76  says:
3 weeks ago

love see you too. :)

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wsp2469  says:
2 weeks ago

This is the kind of material that is bound to get you comments and compliments. I have yet to really put myself out there without hiding behind self-deprecating humor. A woman who just stands up and strips herself naked as you do here just really cries out for my attention.

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Justine76  says:
2 weeks ago

Hey wsp...thank you? I think the funny thing about the hubs that get you comments and compliments is, they were written with no intention of either. When you loose the ability to keep up the self-depreciating humor, all you got is yourself in a mirror, naked looking back at you. You learn to deal with it or go complely crazy. Thanks for stoping by.

PS, I particularly like your particular style of humor. :)

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mega1  says:
10 days ago

Remember when it was the dawning of the age of Aquarius? or are you too young for that - anyway, nagging was supposed to end, or the need for it was supposed to be replaced with pure insight and enlightenment and all that good stuff. In the meantime - I wrote instructions for you about how to nag! see The Zen Art of Creative Nagging for Beginners - you will laugh, or maybe you've alreadybeentheredonethat! I like you!

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Kaie Arwen  says:
10 days ago

Justine76- I think this is third time I've read this HUB, and I have to tell you something you might not want to hear, that it will always be your fault, you will always be the one to say I'm sorry, and that the time between the highs and the lows becomes shorter and shorter until you can't tell the difference anymore because there isn't time to breathe, and even when there is you can't.

Children don't hesitate to cross a room because they have good, loving fathers. You don't leave you friends and family; you become unable to look at them because they'll know, and you don't want anyone close enough to see the things you hide, and you don't want to see the look in their eyes when you realize that they do. What they know may not be the truth; they'll never know the truth because you don't want them to, because somebody else has convinced you that it is your fault, and it's NOT YOUR FAULT.

He didn't make you give it all up; you did that willingly, because you didn't want to make him look bad. The people you've shut out and left behind will look at you someday; they'll hug you like they'll never let go, and they'll do that because they know it was bad, that it is bad. They'll never know more than you tell them, and they'll probably never ask because they don't have to. Anyone who ever who's ever loved you has seen it in your eyes, felt it in your withdrawal, and heard it in your silence.

My parents knew, and yet they had no idea, but they never asked because when all is said and done it wouldn't have made it any better. Mt father shed enough tears over the things he could see without being given a real reason to shed them. He couldn't help, nobody can help, and I don't think that you're anymore willing to ask for help than I was.

He sat in the woods with a shot gun, but did he use it? My ex-husband turned off all of the electricity in the garage so we'd believe he'd ended his life, and then he laughed at me. Never knowing that the wife he continued to attempt to control had already buried him, that his children had done the same thing. He was dead to us all.

You say you love him, and that you know you won't leave. So all I can say is learn to yourself yourself with the same ferocity that you love him, love yourself enough........ you're worth it.

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Justine76  says:
5 days ago

Mega1, I know of the age of aqauris, thru my mother. I have seen your hub title you mention, but not read it yet. I shall do so today. I would dearly love a day when "nagging" became unneeded. I never intend to nag, if an answer was provioded after the first time of asking, I would not ask again. oh well...life goes on, Thank you for reading! :)

Hi there Kaie, well I have read your comment now about 5 times. I imagine it took a bit for you ot finally decide to write all that out, and it is deeply appreciated, more then I think I can say. I hope your in a better situation now, I am glad to hear your family loves and hopefuly supports you still. I wanted to clear a couple things up here, I understand what your saying, and ya, its a little hard to hear at first. Even though its something you know, if no one says it you can pretend it isnt lIKE that. Right? The issue of the video games has greatly improved. Kids are fine with running thru the room these days!! The shotgun issue was not my husband but someone else in the family. Its a long extremly difficult story to tell, and not entirely mine, so...I am going to have to leave it at that. But my husband is today hard at work. I am working every day on loving myself. I have a feeling you may know how difficult that can be at times? Well, thank you so much for reading and sharing and I do hope with all my heart your in a better place today.

Kaie Arwen profile image

Kaie Arwen  says:
5 days ago

I'm glad that things are better, and I hope that his commitment is as strong as yours. The most important thing is to love yourself. Your kids need their mom, every child needs to be able to depend on his/her parents, and sometimes when all is said and done; one parent is the only thing they have. They see everything, they don't need to be present when the world spins out of control, they can feel it.

I am in the best place I've ever been. My only regret is that it took so long leave, and yet again, it's not really a regret. I tried to do it all the right way, and sometimes what I believed to be the right thing was completely wrong. Mistakes are part of life, and I gladly claim them; they were mine.

Just always know that nothing is your fault, and that in the end the only person you have control over is yourself........ you cannot control the actions of others, but you can stand up and stop them from controlling you.

Stay strong!

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