Nutro Pet Foods - New Tricks - Healthy Dog Foods?
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Nutro Dog Food Plant Protest
Cat Food Review
Dog Food Review
Pet Food Danger Gauge - How it works
Cushings Disease - Starring "Harley" Information
Just a big cover-up story for making bad pet food.
Mars, Owners of Nutro Pet Foods
Nutro Pet Foods Being Pulled From The Shelves
No pet food recall this time.
Nutro is facing a huge lawsuit in which the company has been accused of false advertising. Nutro's web site claims, "Founded in 1926, Nutro Products is dedicated to excellence and innovation in dog and cat nutrition-offering healthful formulas for every pet's life stage, activity level, and size." Nutro offers a Quality Assurance statement that tells the consumer Nutro Products are safety tested and are the 'safest possible pet foods on the market'.
I visited Nutro's site today after I learned about a number of pets which have died across the nation who's owners have claimed Nutro is the cause of death. Amazingly, no mention of any recalls or harmful products made by Nutro.
I visited a site called ConsumerAffairs.com here I learned a number of dogs have fallen ill and even died as a result of eating Nutro Products. The article is dated June 23, 2008 (a year and 1/2 after the pet food recalls) and states, "A series of mysterious illness and death dogs Nutro pet food. Scores of pet owners report their animals became ill while eating Nutro products, then recovered when they were switched to another brand. " This is a rather long article alerting pet owners of Antifreeze type poisoning resulting from eating Nutro Products.
One pet food purchaser interviewed reported
"The shelves that contained Nutro Natural Choice were almost bare. That never has happened."
He asked a Nutro representative -- who was working in the same aisle -- about the shortage.
"He stated that no recall was in effect, and Nutro just happened to shut down a few plants producing what he termed 'not as tasty food,' and the 'quality' was not up to par."
Unfair trade practices and consumer protection law is supposed to protect the consumer in such instances as the pet food poisoning our pets but the law does not seem to be enforced. This pet food ordeal has been going on for better than two years now. When is it going to stop?
If you have bought any Nutro products please do not throw away what products you may have left. Keep all receipts and the UPC codes for proof of purchase - you are going to want them.
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Michelle,
I used the links so people could recognize the packaging and to provide pricing information on garbage food. Great question!
Susan
Are you kidding me? The site you link to as your only source lists numerous dogs who all "had similar symptoms," except the cause of death and the illnesses involved were all different. You have renal failure, pancreatitis, heart arythmia. Vomiting and diarrhea? Yes, you will get stomach problems when you switch a dog to a new food cold turkey. Anyone in the pet industry (or a responsible owner for that matter) could tell you that.
Natural Choice has had a large number of out of stocks. Nutro's official line is that they had an issue with the company that produces bags for them, then received several shipments of rice from overseas that tested too high for mold counts. How do you equate "many out of stocks" with "knowingly releasing tainted foods?" The two are counterintuitive. If food is not available for purchase, clearly it isn't tainted.
Your whole post is taken almost verbatim from one source, which clearly has an axe of its own to grind. Instead of reposting smear campaigns, why don't you take the time to do some real research and actually think about what you post before libeling people, large corporation or not?
You also failed to cite the parts of the article that state the food in question was, in fact, tested, medical experts from outside Nutro were, in fact, consulted, and the general consensus was "it's not the food."
Aubrey,
Thank you for your thoughts. I published this article as a warning to those who continue to feed this product even after the recalls and class actions filed against the company. At least one Class Action is filed against the Nutro for false advertising. Nutro advertises their pet foods are healthy for pets.
Susan
You can file a lawsuit over anything. Their packaging (as well as every other manufacturer/packager on the list of defendants for those lawsuits) clearly states things like "meat by-products" or "wheat gluten." You don't have to be a nutritionist or biochemist to know that by-products and meals can contain pretty much any part of the animal(s) mentioned, or that wheat is a common allergy for dogs and cats, or that glutens are cheap fillers, and not exactly premium bases for a nutritious food.
I'm not trying to deny responsibility for anyone, but you keep saying "recalls and class action lawsuits" like an almost two-year old recall on moist foods that were repacked by an entirely seperate company, or a class action lawsuit based on the fact that some lady thinks a cat eating out of a fancy bowl means her 50 cent a can food is the best nutrition money can buy constitutes a basis for the kind of bias and disregard for logic you're throwing around here.
Stupid, cheap people made poor decisions. Pet food companies followed industry standards and, unfortunately, the company they were working with bought tainted supplies. It was a sad affair, but do you really feel that people paying $15 for a 40lb bag of dog food, or 70 cents for a 13oz can of wet food were choosing their pet food based on nutritional value, and were duped? Come on.
Aubrey,
It sounds like you have done your research to know that by-products are unhealthy. Many consumers do not know there could be anything bad about a pet food. The Class Action I am impressing has nothing to do with the tained grains from China. The suit (which requires numbers of people not just one lady to file suit) is a current suit against companies for false advertising. Many times these companies have an ingredient listing printed on the packaging that does not reflect what is actually in the product.
Pet deaths continue on a daily basis. In my grooming salon we are seeing only one or two healthy dogs a month. Most of the dogs (and cats) coming to my salon are showing grotesque symptoms of the effects of commercial pet food diets. We have an average of three clients a week calling to let us know their pets have died from pet food poisoning. The population of the area where my salon is located is only 2,500. How many pets across the nation are showing these same symptoms?
The public needs to be advised of the effects of feeding products like Nutro. Nutro should have the integrity to do something about the poor products they produce for our babies and make changes. Nutro must stop killing our pets!
Susan Peters
If Hershey's decided to market a chocolate candy bar and put a picture of a carrot on the label, but still advertised it as a chocolate bar, and still listed chocolate on the ingredients label, if a diabetic happened to eat one and had symptoms due to a sugar overload, do you think he has a valid case as well?
You state that they use ingredients other than what they list on the label? Can you prove these claims? If this is true, why are they facing a class action suit from people who buy products based more on pictures than the words on the label, instead of a criminal suit from the FDA for falsifying their packaging?
3 calls a week about pet deaths? I'm not even sure how to respond to such a ludicrous claim, so I really can't. All I can say to that is it sounds like a lie, or as such an ardent pet nutrition "advocate," presumably you would have been helping those folks long ago organize something. 2-3 a week just reported to you, personally, sounds like a debacle beyond what happened with Menu foods. Shame on you for not doing anything about it.
Oh, and I also find it interesting that with all your chatter about healthy nutrition and how such and such food is bad, you chose to host your poorly-researched banter at hubpages, where it just so happens that every time you host a review, your readers get to look at a host of ads from eBay, Amazon, and Google, advertising those same products you're slamming. Oh yeah, and you get paid every time people look at them, click-through, or buy the products. You don't think it's a tad hypocritical to earn money selling products you claim are harmful to pets?
Aubrey,
I am working on a national level with vets, organizations, and a number of enforcement agencies to get things done about the pet food producers. I am trying my best to do my part.
I post pictures from Amazon, Ebay, etc. so people can see what these products (pet killers) look like and their selling price. It is my prayer and hope that no one clicks on the adds selling these killer products.
Aubrey I thank you for your comments and concerns. It is not my position to debate such issues with you but to use my time more wisely by informing pet owners about the dangers of pet foods.
Have a good day.
Susan Peters
Aubrey,
I feel I dismissed our conversation a little too quick. I decided after visiting with you that I should take a closer look at Nutro pet foods. I wrote a review using the Pet Food Danger Gauge (which I use on all the pet foods I have been reviewing recently). http://hubpages.com/hub/Nutro-Natural-Choice-Denta This review covers a dog food product called Nutro Natural Choice Dental Care Dry Dog Food. Following are the comments I have made after reviewing the ingredients in this Nutro product.
Before I share the review with you I would like to ask a question. Why do you defend this product? Do you work for Nutro, have an invested interest in the company, or do you just hate animals?
Here are the comments based on the ingredients listed on the bag of Nutro Natural Choice Dental Care:
Pet Food Danger Gauge 73% - Dangerous and Toxic To Pets
Potassium Chloride - used as the third of a three drug combination in judicial execution through lethal injection and used for making fertilizer.
Ground Rice, Rice Flour, Rice Bran - Rice - causes dilated cardiomyopathy in cats and dogs. Rice in pet food interfers with taurine levels which enlarges the heart and eventually kills the cat or dog.
Rice Bran - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Bran is widely used as a major component in pet foods for rabbits and guinea pigs.
Rice bran is sometimes fed to horses for its nutritional value, particularly as a plant-based fat supplement. It is considered an excellent way to put weight onto a thin horse, without the problems associated with overfeeding grain.
Beet Pulp is another cheap filler used by pet food companies. "Beet Pulp" sounds good, doesn't it? Well it's not. Just because Grandma told us we had to eat our beets as kids doesn't mean it is good for our dogs. Grandma didn't take the nutrients out of the beet and leave us just the dried fiber to eat, did she? Beet pulp is junk.
Ferrous sulfate - Overdose symptoms may include nausea, severe stomach pain, bloody diarrhea, coughing up blood or vomit that looks like coffee grounds, shallow breathing, weak and rapid pulse, pale skin, blue lips, and seizure (convulsions). - from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Ferrous sulfate is applied for the purification of water by flocculation and for phosphate removal in municipal and industrial sewage treatment plants to prevent eutrophication of surface water bodies.
Ascorbic acid - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - is easily oxidized and so is used as a reductant in photographic developer solutions (among others) and as a preservative. Ascorbic acid and its sodium, potassium, and calcium salts are commonly used as antioxidant food additives.
Choline chloride is mass produced and is an important additive in feed especially for chicken where it accelerates growth. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Menadione sodium bisulfate - causes toxicity in liver cells, weakens the immune system, anemia, vomiting, irritation of skin, allergic reactions, flaking skin, and hot spots. Moreover, menadione supplements have been banned by the FDA because of their high toxicity. Sodium bisulfite is used in almost all commercial wines, to prevent oxidation and preserve flavor. In fruit canning, sodium bisulfite is used to prevent browning (caused by oxidation) and to kill microbes.
In the case of wine making, Sodium bisulfite releases sulfur dioxide gas when added to water or products containing water. The sulfur dioxide kills yeasts, fungi, and bacteria in the grape juice before fermentation. When the sulfur dioxide levels have subsided (about 24 hours), fresh yeast is added for fermentation.
It is later added to bottled wine to prevent oxidation (which makes vinegar), and to protect the color of the wine from oxidation, which causes browning. The sulfur dioxide displaces oxygen in the bottle and dissolved in the wine. Oxidized wine can turn orange or brown, and taste like raisins or cough syrup. The concentration is sometimes high enough to cause serious allergic reactions.
Sodium bisulfate - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - used in Household cleaners, Sani-Flush, for example, silver pickling, and to reduce alkalinity and ph in swimming pools.
Poultry Fat - Animal Fats - Used to encourage a pet to eat ingredients they normally would not eat. Ingestion may lead to gastrointestinal upset or even pancreatitis. This can be a very painful condition for dogs. In addition, most companion animals do not need extra fat in their diets.
Class Action - Some people found out what a poor pet food this company produces a little too late. Their pets became ill and many have died due to eating Pet Food. Those people and others who are upset over the pet food company making such a poor quality pet food has filed a Class Action against them. Anytime I see a Class Action filed against a company and the products the company produces I would not advise feeding their products to your pets. The pet owners have filed a Class Action against the company for killing their pets.
Calcium Iodate - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - an oxidant added to lotions and ointments as an antiseptic and deodorant.
Chondroitin Sulfate - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Sugars - can have over 100 individual sugars. Used to encourage pets to eat ingredients they normally would not eat.
Natural Flavor. I always like the way pet food companies hide the use of manure in the ingredients. Natural flavor is made from the manure of the animal the pet food company wants the pet food to taste like. If natural flavor were an actual part of the ingredients then natural flavor would not have to be listed as a separate ingredient. From FDA reports.
Natural Flavors as defined by the FDA With respect to flavors, pet foods often contain "digests," which are materials treated with heat, enzymes and/or acids to form concentrated natural flavors. Only a small amount of a "chicken digest" is needed to produce a "Chicken Flavored Cat Food," even though no actual chicken is added to the food. Stocks or broths are also occasionally added. Whey is often used to add a milk flavor. Often labels will bear a claim of "no artificial flavors." Actually, artificial flavors are rarely used in pet foods. The major exception to that would be artificial smoke or bacon flavors, which are added to some treats. http://www.fda.gov/cvm/petlabel.htm
Animal digest. AAFCO doesn't care that manure is included in the pet food as long as the temperature at the time of cooking is brought to a certain degree.
Now there are those people out there who simply refuse to believe a pet food company would use manure in their pet's foods. Let me ask you to think on this issue for just a minute and then see what you decide. Let's take a person, for instance, When a person begins the "digestion" process food is placed in the mouth for chewing. Digestion continues as the food passes to the stomach and is broken down to pass into the intestines for further digestion. Digestion is complete once the person has had a bowl movement and fully evacuated the food from the human body. Why would obtaining animal digest be any different from human digest?
Garlic flavor - from what?
Susan,
I have no stake in Nutro, I do not work for them, I do not use their products, I don't like the few folks who work for them whom I have met, and I don't have a high opinion of them as a company or as a dog food. That said, "not the best food" stands a fair distance from "knowingly poisoning people's pets," in my book at least.
A quick rundown:
Potassium Chloride: also happens to be a common, sodium-free substitute for sodium chloride, or, table salt. It is toxic, but orally, a lethal dose is essentially the same as table salt. It's also a wonderful source of electrolytes and potassium.
Rice, rice bran: Grains are not great for dogs, but rice and its derivatives are a far sight better than corn or wheat as a carbohydrate. I can find plenty to agree with you on cats (carnivores) ending up with low taurine levels due to rice-laden food, but considering you're reviewing a dog (omnivore) food, not sure how this applies.
Beet pulp is not, in fact, junk. When sugar beets have had their sugars extracted, beet pulp is the stuff left over. It's a great source of fiber, and promotes colon health.
Ferrous sulfate is an iron source. Ferrous = iron based. You need to stop with this overdose symptom crap without listing what it is for. Anything in large enough doses is toxic. Do you need me to explain what iron does for the body, or do you just support anemic dogs? If you've ever eaten a Cheeto, you've eaten this.
Ascorbic acid. Do you know what vitamin C is/does? Do we really need to go over this? You copy stuff from wikipedia, and leave out the parts about the benefits.
Choline Chloride, concentrations of which are found in the tissues of the nervous system, is necessary for brain function, the synthesis of neurotransmitters, and for the building and maintenance of acetylcholine. Choline chloride, taking during pregnancy, may increase the unborn infant’s life-long ability to learn and pay attention, and its memory capacity. Choline may also aid in treating liver disease and high cholesterol, depression, memory loss, Alzheimer’s, and asthma. And it is an anti-inflammatory. A choline deficient diet may result in increased rates of cancer, especially liver carcinoma.
Menadione sodium bisulfIte (please note the capitalized I): Wow, you finally god one right. Not good for dogs. Congrats.
Poultry fats: I wouldn't eat something that didn't taste good either. There's a reason hamburgers and chocolate are more fun to eat than dry white rice or dry unseasoned chicken. Fat is tasty. Fat is also necessary for life. Dogs do need fat. If you're going to blame overweight dogs on dog food manufacturers, please do a home visit for all these beachball corgis and beer keg labs and make sure their problems aren't coming from people food or gross overfeedings first.
Class action lawsuit: If I got a group of people together who decided they didn't like you making stuff up on the internet, I could start a class action lawsuit. This is America, anyone can be sued for anything. If they win, and it is based on nutritional content, not people buying food based on commercials, or a copacker screwing up and using an ingredient tainted with a chemical that there wasn't even a testing standard for at the time, you may have this one. Until then, sorry.
Calcium Iodate: Don't eat bread, you might get some of this stuff.
Chondroitin Sulfate: In addition to being composed of glycols, it also happens to help reduce wear on and repair cartilage. It just so happens I take this for my knee every single morning, and I can tell you that it's a wonderful ingredient.
Digest does not equate to chicken feces. Digest is produced by exposing tissue (not waste products) to enzymes. Digest is the process used, not the end result. Good job.
Garlic flavor: One would presume, from garlic.
Now, Susan, I have rebutted every single point you have made, and answered all questions you have asked of me. Now I have some for you.
What qualifies you to make statements like you have, or to scientifically rate foods the way you do, besides the fact that you cut dog hair for a living?
Are you an animal nutritionist? A chemist of some sort? A veterinarian, or even a vet tech with a very specific field of knowledge and interest? How about even a triple digit IQ, or a college level of reading comprehension?
What makes it acceptable for you to badmouth and bash companies with statements that are full of omissions, untruths, misgivings, and outright lies, and still make money off their products through ad revenue? How do you justify that?
I anxiously await your response.
Aubrey,
Do I just annoy you or do you have a real cause? I have owned and operated my own diagnostic laboratory for animal disease for a number of years. I have a college education and have taken a number of courses in human and animal health care.
Your retorts have all been human based opionons. Have you studied animal health?
My ad revenue to date through Ebay and Amazon, the companies I use to show products and product costs, has been a big $15.00. Guess what I did with that money... put it right back into my efforts to make a difference in the pet world.
I sit in front of this computer for countless hours writing information for people who are wishing and begging for help and answers to their urgent questions about the health condition of their pets. Any revenue generated from writing these pages goes right back into my efforts to help these pets and their pet parents along with money I earn from my day job.
From everything I have read which you have written you have done nothing but attack me. I don't see your real drive in taking my time away from those who want my assistance or in slamming everything I say or write.
Do your research, if you have a true interest in the health of pets, inform people of your findings. Spend your energy in a positive way and stop robbing people of their time and efforts (myself and others) to do good.
Get a job. Find an interest. Enjoy life.
Susan
What is this lab called, where is it located? If you have your own lab, you should be able to fully substantiate your claims that these companies are poisoning pets with solid evidence and toxicology reports. Yet you haven't done so.
Where is your education from, in what field? If you're so qualified to be an animal nutritionist, why have you elected to cut dog hair instead?
All my comments were based around, specifically, dog health. You on the other hand copy/pasted alternative uses for each ingredient from Wikipedia, electing to use only those that showed your side of the story. It just so happened the the bulk of what you posted was horribly inaccurate.
Do you have receipts to prove this $15.00 claim, or show where it went? I'm unsure of how you're funneling money into your efforts, when anybody with a freemail account can sign up for hubpages and start libeling anyone they choose, and you clearly haven't put any money into legitimate research. Would you care to break that one down for me?
I found this page because of a post on my local Craigslist talking about Nutro foods, inciting people to believe their food has been tainted or recalled. I went to investigate, and found no such evidence aside from the consumeraffairs.com listing you posted, which, as it happens, contains slightly less science than your posting above.
I have a strong interest in pets and animal welfare, and I would love for people to become more educated on the subject. However, education does not include making up reasons and blanket statements about ingredients with nothing to back it up, including such grossly misinformed(ing) statements as "chicken digest means chicken feces because when you digest things poop comes out." That statement alone proved to me that you know next to nothing on the topic in which you profess to be an educator.
By all means, strive to help people understand things YOU KNOW ABOUT. Tell them how to give a dog a lion cut, or to clip nails. Tell them how to brush a dense coat before it mats. Just please stop libeling people who are trying to do a legitimate business, because while they may not have the best products out there, they're certainly a far sight better than the likes of Beneful or Pedigree.
Aubrey,
I've dedicated way too much time to you. Thank you for your comments.
Susan
Thank you for admitting you haven't a clue. I hope you'll find a topic you're a bit more knowledgable about to feign expertism on in the future.
Aubrey,
Thank you for your comments.
Susan Peters
Thank you for warning people about Nutro. Their crap food killed my dog right when the big pet food recall started last year. At the time they actually offered to pay half my dogs vet bills but shortly after stopped returining my calls once the scandal got nationwide attention. I had other issues going on at the time and simply had no energy or money to fight them since I was still grieving. Now I see so many blogs and web sites with dogs that had the exact same symptoms as mine and I am ready to start fighting again!!!!! I have all my paperwork and even the food frozen that he ate. I want to warn you people they will try to trick you into sending the food back to them for testing but dont do it. They never send you the results. I spoke to many people this happened to at the time and they tried very hard to get me to do the same but something inside told me not to trust them. I am saving to have an independant lab check it. DO NOT FEED YOUR PETS NUTRO PLEASE! Their are plenty of other natural foods on the market if you look hard enough.
Oh I forgot...I would bet money Aubrey is a demon. LOL how could anybody be so pro Nutro unless they are a mole. Please Aubrey get a life. Post a reply to me I dare you. If you really don't work for Nutro then get a life at least. If somebody gets food poisoning at McDonalds and complains do you go on a rampage against them too? Nutro has millions, we are not going to harm them so relax lady. Go outside and get some fresh air. It is the way Nutro food is transported that causes the contamination. They have to test for antifreeze type poisoning in the food. I have done alot of reesearch on this and my vet said the same thing. I am not going to post pages of details and stats but I can assure Aubrey Nutro dog food killed my dog regardless of what Aubrey the Nutro loving mole thinks. Aubrey please never get a dog and if you have any already please give them to a person with a heart not an ice cube in their chest. DIAF Aubrey! :)
P.S. Susan you may delet this because I admit I am an angry guy due to this but wow did it feel good posting this after a year of pain. Susan keep doing what you are doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Rock!
Martin,
Thank you for coming to my rescue! I'm not going to delete a thing.
Aubrey I have been watching your comments for some time. I was just wondering if the sun in Winter Park, Florida has been getting to your head. Your picking on someone who is trying to help other people and there pets, with all due respect you seem like an intelligent person why don’t you try to expand your knowledge, read some of the AAFCO,FDA, and many other sites. There are HARMFUL ingredients in our pet foods!
exidous,
Thank you
Susan
Well I did some home work and I came up with is little interesting bit of information. (MR) Aubrey Harry Ducker is an attorney working for the pet foods. So I wonder why he is so intensive on his questions to Susan Peters. I have tried to contact him several times and he won’t return my calls. Humm wonder if he really cares about pets? Here is how you can contact him for questions regarding pet food *since he knows all about it* Aubry
(home)
Ducker, Aubrey
2342 Banchory Rd
Winter Park, FL 32792
407-645-2243
(work)
The Law Offices of Aubrey Harry Ducker Jr.
2020 Mizell Avenue
Winter Park, FL 32792
Phone : (407) 645-1330
Product & Services:
Attorneys
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Exidous,
Aubrey is a lawyer? Now, I wonder why on earth a lawyer would have any interest in what I am doing over here at HubPages. No wonder Aubrey is interested in a huge debate. I see by the web site for Mr. Aubrey Ducker Jr. that he passed the bar less than 10 years ago. Would this make Susan Peters a practice case?
How about all the hate and anger expressed by Mr. Ducker yet his site states, 'with minimum hostility, maximum good will and results that benefit all parties'. . .
Interesting, huh?
Susan
Here are some details on Mr. Aubrey Ducker
http://xss.9f.com/Aubrey/index.htm
Enjoy!
P.S. Ill keep updating it!
Sorry, I was out of the country, didn't have a chance to respond.
That isn't me. Not a lawyer, not in Winter Park. Close though, good job jumping to wild conclusions.
Martin-
I wasn't referring the the Menu Foods recall. We are talking about current products. Nobody disputes that Menu (a co-packer, not owned or run by Nutro, simply a company contracted to put Nutro's labels on their products) let a chemical into their product that is toxic to dogs, and ended up causing many owners and pets a lot of heartbreak. However, that recall covered only wet foods. It did not cover dry foods, which are, in general, made by the company marketing the food, rather than a co-packer.
exidous- (look, I managed to spell your name properly, even if you didn't!)
Nowhere will you see me argue that Nutro is a good food, nor that many of the staple ingredients in many commercial foods are much more than cheap filler proteins and carbs.
However, Susan decided to cross the line from "please don't use this product, use this one instead, here's why," and backing up her claims with legitimate reasoning rather than convoluted partial reposts from Wikipedia, to claiming that a company was knowingly poisoning animals. This is not helping anyone, it is simply propogating a widening network of people grossly misinformed about pet nutrition and safety.
Also, congratulations spending so much time creating a whole webpage devoted to some guy you don't know, and has nothing to do with what has been posted here. I would like to offer some constructive criticism and editing tips:
1. A hubpage posting does not constitute "journalism," even in the loosest sense of the word.
2. collEge, not collAge.
3. should HAVE, not should OF.
4. Judging by the ip and email address you listed, this guy uses Embarq. Embarq sucks. I use BHN.
5. Do better research, Aubrey is a very old English name, there is usually more than one person with any given first name within a large metropolitan area such as Orlando.
To Susan-
I'm so glad you finally had someone "come rescue you." You were doing such a piss-poor job actually defending or backing up any of the weak points your poor befuddled mind managed to come up with, you deserve some backup.
I do, however, think it is worth noting that allowing and encouraging your supporters to tell your detractors to die in a fire is more than a bit unprofessional.
Have a nice day.
Aubrey *hanging head in shame* YOU GOT US ALL! You are the human spell checker! You are no attorney but a robot! Now I understand you can check our spelling, grammer, IP's, yada, yada, yada, all on the fly! BRAVO! *Clapping my hands* You are just a lonely robot with no heart.
Please go make your own blog (this should be easy being an evil robot and all...) and leave Susan alone PLEASE! Go find yourself another evil robot to have evil heartless robot babies with. Oh and I am sorry in advance if I make any spelling mistakes etc, I am only human not a robot like our favorite blog Troll Aubrey. Oh almost forgot DIAF....Just kidding of course but that is how angry you make people on this blog and likely in person as well.
Susan has nothing to do with my opinion and does not have to agree with the way I get my point across. Thankfully she does not censor me like I am sure you would if possible. Program yourself a sense of humor and add some wit while your at it.
Oh snap! UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aubrey is from the Germanic name Alberic, composed from the elements 'alb' (elf) and 'ric' (ruler, king). This male name has gained popularity for females in recent times, probably due to its similarity with the female name Audrey.
Aubrey is an Elf! That's why she knows everything about everthing! She uses magic!!! I just saw LOTR are you in it? Let me know ASAP. I am having a party next weekend and would love to have a magical elf in attendance. I will pay you. Troll thisblog again as soon as possible with yor heartless resonse. OK bye!
Oh I just called Nutro and they don't employ Robots or Elf's...hmmmm? They can't take the bar either. I am really cofused now. Aubrey you are so mysterious.
Martin,
Good job!
Susan
Martin-
If someone is going to go through the trouble to build a page just to compile bogus information about someone they don't know, in addition to being thorough, they should at least be able to use a spellchecker and basic grammar. That said, it seems to be beyond your limited talents as well, so I guess we'll have to let that one go.
Susan-
I'm ever so sorry I interrupted your self-congratulatory pat on the back hubpage. You're completely right, science and logic should never enter into this. Please except my most humble of apologies and continue spreading manure from your morbidly obese fingertips.
For the record:
I never suggested you stop reviewing dog foods. I never said that Nutro or any other product was a good one. I never did anything but ask for you to be accurate in what you post, and stop sensationalizing things. While you're at it, try not making a profit by posting ads for the products you bash.
The article you posted from has multiple expert statements that the animals who died were not poisoned by their food. Their symptoms were different, their causes of death were different.
You tried to rebutt me by posting a list of ingredients and why they are detrimental, a list which showed you have clearly been misinformed, or are purposely trying to cause harm to this company and others by distorting facts.
Learn and be honest, or shut up, that's all I want. Now you can go back to double-fisting cans of cupcake frosting. Have a good night.
Aubrey,
Jesus, you give one hell of a verbal beating...you're good...but try to be a little kinder while cutting their jugular. WOW...
I used to be a Nutro fan until it damn near killed my furry family! I'm not here to debate with anyone. Especially you, Aubrey. I'm just going to tell my story and move on to another site to tell my story again. And again in hopes people will listen!
If this isn't a test for how bad NUTRO food is, I don't know what is!We have 30 rescued cats (20 ferals) and 4 dogs. We started using Nutro last fall in 2007 for both the dogs and cats. We pulled both cats and dogs off Nutro products as of July 26, 2008.ALL cats suffered weight loss, bloody stools in the litter pans, increased urination, loss of appetite... Fur started to look like crap! Max, our Pit Bull, was very ill for 2 weeks after we tried Nutro's Lamb and Rice. Our vet said it was gastritis caused by something he got into and we put him on meds and boiled hamburg and rice. When we started the Nutro Lamb again, he immediately started with vomiting and diarrhea. We took Max off the food thinking he just couldn't handle the lamb. The other dogs were fine so we didn't realize it was the food until Tazz, our German Shepherd, became very sick after Max recovered. We switched to Nutro's Large Breed before it affected the other two. Max started having stool problems. Constipation one day and diarrhea the next. Our vet thought because of his age that he might need meds if it continued. Kaiser, another German Shepherd, was having to urinate 10 times a night. If we didn't get to the door fast enough, he'd urinate in the kitchen. We were going to get him in for tests. Tazz started to act disorientated and very unsteady on her feet. Tazz has arthritis but she acted drugged. Jada, another German Shepherd, and Tazz started eating grass. And they all were drinking lots of water after they ate. All four dogs lost weight!A friend emailed me that she had read some disturbing stories about Nutro on www.consumeraffairs.com. I logged on and started reading. When I read the stories about other dogs with the same symptoms, it gave me chills. We didn't want to get our hopes up because it seemed unlikely this was what was happening to Tazz. Too much to hope for. BUT the stories and symptoms of other animals were too much of a coincidence so I immediately took all of our Nutro back and switched to another brand. I still have cat food that I planned on throwing out. Now I want to have it tested if I can find out where and how to do this. I desperately want answers and want this serious problem dealt with. We were one of the lucky ones but we're still worried about any residual damage with all of our pets. The first night after changing food - Kaiser slept all night instead of whining and pacing! Tazz is brighter and though she's stiff when she gets up, she's not acting drugged! Max is having normal stools! Jada and Tazz have stopped eating grass! AND they're drinking normal amounts of water now - not guzzling water like they were dying of thirst. No more vomiting, no more diarrhea, no more blood, fur is shiny again. When there is weight loss in EVERY animal in a household, then something is wrong! We've been off Nutro for three weeks and every symptom we were seeing is GONE! It breaks my heart to read these stories of lost pets. Something is wrong and we all need answers! The stories I've read on http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/nutro.html have alarmed me terribly! There are page upon page of stories like mine! Perhaps people will listen if they read our story because it affected every cat and dog in our house! Our cats are all inside cats - our dogs are in a fenced in back yard with no possible contaminants. Tazz will be 12 in November. She was fine when we switched to Nutro last fall. She did have some arthritis started that basically bothered her in rainy weather. It wasn't until early summer 2008 that we started seeing her legs become weaker. July is when we saw her steadily go down hill. She acted confused, couldn't get up without help, would stumble and fall and need help to walk through the house. We would wrap a towel under her belly and bring it up on both sides of her so we could support her as she walked. We bought area carpets to help her with traction on some of the floors. We all were devastated that age was taking its toll on our beloved Tazz. It was obvious her legs were giving out and we worried that winter in NH would be too much for her. We had Rimadyl for those rainy days and started to give it to her more frequently. It didn't help. We knew we had to talk to our vet but we were all afraid. Sadly, we assumed it was age related. Now that I think back, this all came on too fast!As I stated above, the symptoms are gone from EVERYONE! Nemo is up to 10 pounds! Tazz has recovered back to the point where she might be a little stiff on a rainy day! She's playing with the other dogs, running around the back yard, slower like a senior citizen but she's not falling, she's not disorientated, she doesn't need help getting up and she's got that bright look in her eyes once again! She was dying! If we hadn't taken heed of the stories that many are blowing off - we would have lost our beloved Tazz. We no longer feel we're on "borrowed time" with Tazz. We feel strongly with the way she's acting now that she's going to be with us at least several more years! That's a far cry from thinking we would be putting her down this fall!PET FOOD PRODUCT SAFETY ALLIANCE DID TESTS ON TWO SAMPLES OF NUTRO FOOD AND POSTED ON AUGUST 14th, 2008. THE RESULTS WERE HIGH LEVELS OF COPPER AND ZINC. The symptoms are consistent with the majority of those reported by consumers suspecting problems believed to be associated with feeding Nutro dry dog food. http://www.pfpsa.org/news.htmlHere's a link on zinc toxicity in dogs:http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/Hardy/
I am afraid someone has been posting and my name has been used without my consent. Found your site today and have NO IDEA Why my name and information were used to post comments. Aubrey
There is a case I'm aware of cats eating Nutro and almost dieing The owner is in the pet industry and just like the others received no call back.
Michelle says:
17 months ago
Why are you providing links for people to purchase Nutro with this article?