Obama and Islam, loving us to death!
82Muslim=Peace, Tea Party=Terror, CRAZY!
Major Nidal Malik Hasan?
Who is this guy?
According to media reports he
is the alleged gunman who
shot more than 40 Americans,
killing 13 of them.
Note the reports do say "alleged"!
Is there anyone who has doubts about Major Hasan's part of this massacre?
Once the identity of this shooter became public and his ties to the Muslim
community became public, our President suggested we must not jump to
conclusions.
This was not an act of International terrorism by our Islamic enemies.
I won't remind anyone of the Presidents own "jump to conclusions"
following the arrest of his good friend, Harvard Professor Gates.
In support of the President, the Army Chief of Staff General George Casey
said "We can't jump to conclusions now based on snippets of information
and I am concerned that this speculation could cause a backlash against
some of our Muslim Soldiers.". It would be a shame if our diversity became
a casualty of this event.
During the few days following this massacre, a lot more has been learned
about Major Hasan. He does have a website where he has condemned the
war and said Muslims in the US army should not be sent to the middle east
to kill other Muslims. His final words on his webpage are
"We, Muslims, love Death more than the infidels love Life"!
Hmmm,, alleged shooter?
The President and Army Chief of Staff are very concerned about backlash
against American Muslims.
Following the attack of 9/11 our President, who at that time was a Illinois
State Senator, spoke to many Muslim immigrants from Arab countries,
and he wrote about it in his book titled "The Audacity of Hope".
His comments were often misquoted with this statement.
"I will stand with Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction".
Actually he did say that but it was taken out of context since it was preceded
with his words reminding his Muslim audience of the Japanese internment at
the beginning of our War with Japan in 1941.
Of course Americans were angry about the 9/11 attack but who was calling
for Muslim internment? The only person talking about it was Obama!
This is a thinking point for all Americans..
If we have an outbreak of violence against Muslim communities within our
country, who will our President be putting in prisons?
If we look at this as a war against Islam, which it is,
the Muslims are our enemy, we are warned against retaliation.
If we look at it as our President does, just a random shooting,
and we retaliate against any Muslim, we go directly to jail!
Folks, this is what I call "damned if you do, damned if you don't"!
Once again I ask our President, just whose side are you on?
This shooting has opened up a number of doors to the thinking man.
The shooter, Major Hasan, did not want to go to Iraq where he might be
required to kill fellow Muslims.
In his own words he loves death more than most people love life.
Maybe this is one of those Bad News, Good News things..
Bad News, Hasan kills 13 of our soldiers at Fort Hood..
Good News, No Americans fighting in the Middle East, will ever need
to worry about getting into a firefight with our enemies while depending
on Major Hasan for backup support.
Perhaps this Good News should be food for thought and the Major is right
when he says our Military Muslims should not be sent to the middle east to
fight with Islamic terrorists
Even more important, why should they even be in our Military service where
their first and foremost loyalty to America that they have sworn to uphold,
apparently takes a backseat to their religious affiliation?
I want to open another door into an area I have been into before.
Is Islam a religion? What kind of question is that?
When is a Religion not a Religion?
In the past I have mentioned Jeremiah Wright and his racist hatred speech
within the walls of Obama's church of choice.
No need to repeat the Reverends words of hate which were bad enough,
but when I saw the famous video, I was appalled when the congregation
stood and cheered the ministers anti-American hatred.
Folks, I ask you, is this your idea of Religion?
According to many Islam clerics and Imans, the word of the Koran tells
them to declare war (Holy Jihad) against the infidels of the world. They tell
their followers that killing infidels will assure them of a place in heaven,
They define infidel as anyone who is not a believer in Islam.
If this is a religion then the Mafia is a religion!!
Islam is organized crime at it's highest level. It has taken over Countries and
it now has become a political ideology.
If you doubt that then I ask you,
If any Christian leaders such as Popes, Bishops, Priests, or Ministers
commanded their members to go out and kill anyone who does not believe
in their religion, would that be acceptable?
I think NOT, but why is alright for Islam to issue a death sentence for those
they call infidels, simply because they do not follow Islam and Allah?
If Islam is the peace loving religion as so many want to believe, and
Muslims truly want to share this earth with people of all faiths and beliefs,
will someone answer my questions?
Where is your outrage for the acts of violence your fellow Muslims execute
against all people, even other Muslims?
Every day word of Islam terrorism is reported where people are slaughtered
in the name of Allah. Please explain to me, how does this help Islam the
Religion of Peace? Why don't you speak up!
Why do you allow your religion, if it is a religion, to be corrupted by the hate
mongers who want to kill others in the name of Allah?
Tell me I am wrong,,
Islam,,, No other religion is accepted by Allah, except Islam (Koran 2:256)
Islam,,, Muslim allegiance is to Islam,
Christians and Jews are unacceptable as friends
Islam,,, Muslim allegiance to Mecca and he must turn to pray 5 times daily.
Islam,,, The Bible is corrupt and the basis for the US constitution
Islam,,, Muslim ruled countries are theocracies and deny freedom of religion
Islam,,, They say, they are the Religion of Peace, but only as long as
everyone is a believer. They are determined to destroy those who
do not follow the word of the Koran!
Folks, diversity is nice so keep thinking we can get along with those who
want to kill us,, In the end,,,
They will just Love us to Death!! OH YEAH!
America,, damned if we do, damned if we don't,
so I'll be damned to go down with the land of the free
and if they want my head to bow to Allah, it will only
happen when they chop it off in the name of PEACE!
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GA,
I typed the question "Is Islam Peaceful" in my search engine two weeks ago. After reading the first ten articles they had all answered a resounding NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is nice to be loved, but not by Islam. Keep the voice going.
Arthur
GA,
I love your words. You speak for all of us. Keep on hubbing.
Thanks to all, this is a serious matter and Americans need to pay attention.. I know that it is not always easy to title these Hubs, but on a lighter note I just want to say I did consider calling it "The Silence of the is-Lams"!
Welcome back Glenn Beck,, Please fly your flags today to honor all our Service men and Women including those serving today, They may be our last resort when it comes to saving our country from the Marxist-Islamic attack on our freedom!
Great another hubber sent me this link, it's Obama saying he is a muslim in his own words. By the way they will be flying a flag with 57 states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t
Jib, Thanks and you and BO know where you can fly that flag with 57 stars on it... In case anyone does not know, there are 57 so called states in the Islamic world, and it was Obama who said he campaigned in all 57 states! Very little coverage by Mainstream Media!
I saw that video on YouTube and it was shocking,, I could not believe Obama would spend time quoting the Koran!!
Then again, I should not have been surprised!! If this guy is a Muslim, and I am sure he is, Why is he so ashamed of admitting he belongs to the "Religion of PEACE"!
Another great hub. Even if it is not talked about, many have the same sentiments you have written. AND, this is the problem, Muslims must make an effort to stand up and denounce these despicable acts not only by words but by actions. They need to take back their religion if it truly is a peaceful one.
Ehern, absolutly,,,
If Islam is truly a religion of peace and if truly religious Muslims would stand up and say NO MORE...
End this stupid violence, it is not what Allah is about!!
It is not what Islam is about. We can live in peace and accept others who are not of our faith..
Just who could argue about that, what a wonderful world it would be!!!
How great would that be!
Maybe then our President could take sides!
Is that how Obama got more votes, he had 57 states voting for him, while McCain only had 57. The republicans has better find these 7 other states and campaign there, too.
Keep on Hubbing!
Diversity worth more than thirteen lives??? Pardon my acronym, but WTF??? Just shows what happens when la-la liberalism and the PC culture invade the real world.
Nice Hub. Hasan's power point presentation clearly warned the Army of his beliefs. Even when put that bluntly we still couldn't act. All in the name of political correctness. Its going to get worse before it gets better. Hasan has proven to every extremist that we are too stupid to come out of the rain!
Great American,
I don't know why I missed this Hub. So well done. This ridiculous concern over a Muslim backlash is pure garbage. After Sept 11th, not one incident that I can recall, despite the fact that Muslims were dancing in the streets with joy after the attacks. I am speaking about Muslims right here in the U.S.
Muslims weren't dancing in the streets of America after 9/11 - they would've been killed for such. We are not that weak of a nation. Get real.
You are not a great American sir, you are a dangerous man with twisted ideals. I'm curious if you're a grand dragon or just a member of the KKK? There is so much spin in this hub it makes me dizzy!
The mafia is far more closely tied to Catholicism than Islam. You say this IS a war on Islam? Wow, that's dangerous. So Bush IS Hitler waging war against religion? I'm just asking if that's what you're saying. Oh, and I'm glad you didn't remind us of Jeremiah Wright's comments, which by the way was a church of Christian faith, not Islam.
See the religion isn't corrupt, some within are. Same as it is here. It would take naivety to believe there's no such thing as a Christian Extremist. George Bush waged war on Islam, according to you, but in his words he was waging war against evil. Sounds to me like Christian extremism. Sounds to me like he commanded American men and women to go kill people in the name of good vs evil - which is the root of religion. That's why God is good (just remove an "o") and the Devil is evil (just add a "D). So yes, Christian leadership HAS commanded armies to kill people of other religions and cultures.
You, of all people, should know that the KKK claimed to be rooted in religious beliefs. They referred to themselves as "good Christian Whites". I was just told by 3 different people in one conversation that God is against inter-racial relationships. A couple in Georgia was just denied a marriage license on that premise last month. Christianity has its faults and faulty leadership as well sir. Don't be a hypocrite.
Oh and by the way, a great example of your twist and spin:
Qu'ran 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
That's a far cry from "No other religion is accepted by Allah, except Islam".
Christianity makes the same claim, that to believe any God other than God Almighty is the blasphemy - the only unforgivable sin.
Thanks, Great American. Why? Obama is a politician above all else. Yes, he's a Muslim and, yes, he believes in Islam and I'd like to read where he quoted from the Koran but I don't doubt it. It was, however, a revelation that he visited all 57 Muslim states during the campaign. He's such a poor actor. Let's get rid of him in the 2012 elections. He deserves to spend more time in Africa with his brother.
Don White
T_augustus I don't have time to tear into your comments most of which I find inaccurate, but the point of this HUB is to ask, "Where is the Outrage for the Terrorist acts of those who kill in the name of Allah?" I don't care what excuse you have for justifying the daily acts of Terror, I just want to know if Islam is a Religion of Peace when will we see True peace in a world where we can accept people of all legitimate faiths?
I have written more about this in my hub
Obama, arrogant or self righteous,,
One last question, in your opinion 'Is Obama Muslim'?
Don, The president quote from the Koran and much more can be seen at this site
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t
As for the 57 states, he said he campaigned in all 57 states, not 57 Muslim states, but we all know the USA has only 50 states and many know The Organisation of the Islamic Conference an international organisation and
member of the United Nations, consists of 57 member states, from the Middle East.
I agree with T_augustus with is statement. g.A. over states issues all the time. Maybe he is afraid. Conservatives tend to be afraid of their shadow. A Muslim kills and wounds many people, a tragedy. The many thousands that are killed by their fellow "Christian" Anericans every year, speechless.
GreatAmerican,
A small point, I know, but I just had to point out that since you have such a problem with the word "alleged" that in our great American country everyone is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law. This is one of the things that makes our country great (unlike communistic countries), and even though in some instances we know someone is guilty as sin, he still gets his day in court. Therefore, the word "alleged" comes into play for everyone, no matter who they are.
Patrice, it is wonderful to know that someone who kills 13 people without a doubt, still deserves their day in court.
In fact some Guantanamo Bay prisoners who plead guilty and wanted to be executed, have been denied and they will be tried in New York as a civil case. I guess they too are alleged criminals now.. Of course Hasan is going to get his day in court and he has to go through the legal process, and if he is found anything but guilty, it will be a victory for some radical leftist liberals!!
Beam me up Scottie!!
lousyAmerican, you lack more than time to tear into my comments, so I understand. The outrage for the terrorist acts against America from so-called Muslim-Extremists is evident in the wars we are still fighting in two countries. What do you think we should do, throw on some white sheets, ride out on horses at night and burn down some Mosques? You accusing me of "justifying their acts" is another example of your spin tactics. To quote my 10 year old nephew - save it for David. It's your prerogative to have a twisted opinion about the religion of Islam, to say it's not a "legitimate religion", but you have to do so while ignoring the similarities to your own religion - if you have any.
I'll pass on your other hub(s). But thanks for the invitation.
No, he's not Muslim. And your link, hilarious!
Augustus,, thanks for your comments, it sounds like you have some problems of your own. No one is perfect, not me
not you.. I have no problem with Islam I have a problem with those who call themselves Peaceful as they strap on explosives and go out and kill others in the name of Allah.
If that is truly what Islam is about, of course I can't consider it a religion..
I have given your comments a great deal of time and I have responded in another hub, If you don't want to check it out that's fine with me, but if you want some more facts you can discredit by simply calling me names, just don't bother.
I won't bother giving the link and I can only wish you the best and May God Bless you and your family..
And may God Bless America!!
Wow, this is a great hub. I have asked the question many times, "what defines a religion?" and I never get an answer. I would go as far as to say that when the Catholics were burning people at the stake in the middle ages catholicism was not a religion. And Islam is no different today.
I was astounded by your comment above about the "57 states" - so typically Obama. And now, we shouldn't "jump to conclusions" about this murderer at Fort Hood. Exactly how far does all of this have to go? I think it's great that people like you are asking these questions and bringing all this out. You are a true American :)
Great American,
In the America you love so much, EVERYONE indeed gets his day in court and until they do, their crimes are all referred to as "alleged". Of course he's guilty and of course he will be found guilty.
The idiot who kidnapped Jaycee Duvall and held her captive l8 years, crime is also referred to as "alleged", even though we have no doubt he did it. He has pleaded innocent and will get his day in court.
I'm sorry that the America you love so much with its Democratic government, has produced these laws you hate so much. However, you do have to consider that the laws are there to protect people who are falsely accused. Once again, one of the things that make our country great!
I do know how you feel though. In the case going on right now with the five year old missing girl, and the guy they have in custody who hasn't told them where she's at, I would like them to pull out his fingernails one by one until he tells exactly where she is and who has her now. Where is BUSH when you need him?
Madame. You are right as usual, and historically Religion
was responsible for wars. I have a problem at times when anyone says God said this or it is the word of Allah..
We need to face reallity and there is nothing wrong to have faith or belief in a greater power, but to trust the words of any human who claims to speak for God or Allah does not work for me. If God or Allah has anything to say to the people of this Earth, perhaps he/she needs to put it on Fox news for all of us the hear at one time. I have nothing against any religion, I have my doubts and I am certain if there is a God or Allah who is all good, he/she would not require humans to kill those who are not believers, since he/she who is called a creator can also do his/her own killing of the infidels.
Patrice, I have no problem with due process of law, I think we disagree on the words we use sometime. We say innocent until judged guilty.. The person may be guilty as sin but we also say alleged,, maybe we should refer to Major Hasan as charged with a crime,, alleged seems to indicate a possibility of no guilt at all.. Words, Just Words...
GA,
The legal system must say alleged there is no such restrictions on citizens. That why we have the First Amendment.
greatAmerican! do you see Muslims only as terrorists? if i may ask.
Tom, that makes sense, but is it necessary for those who report the news to also refer to obvious acts of crime as alleged?
Thanks for your help...
GA,
I don't think it's nessary. They also have First Amendment protection. In some cases whent there is a doubt about guilt I think the word alleged is appropriate.
As to Sami's question I don't think most Americans see all Mulims as terrorists. I always was a fan of Muhammed Ali. I took some guff from my friends over this because they considered him a draft dodger. I still admired his boxing skills.
Sam, my opinion, terrorists come in all shapes and forms and religions. Terrorism like love often is in the eyes of the beholder. Some would call me a terrorist, not that I am out blowing up people but I have been accused of trying to incite them. After all our own Presidents closest appointees and some of our elected representatives have referred to those Tea Party Americans who only want to express themselves as allowed by the First amendment, as terrorists!! It is common knowledge that there are many moderate Muslim factions in the Middle East and they are not bent on killing the infidels. They are good people and they truly want peace. It is unfortunate that other branches of Islam are so determined to use Allah as an excuse to murder others including Muslims almost daily..
If the Mormons were out killing in the name of God, I would have no respect for them either. In fact it was only 150 years ago Christians were killing Mormons in this country in a war between Bible thumpers and those who followed the words of Joeseph Smith and the book of Mormon. Terrorism is nothing new, too bad some so call religions have dirtied the name of Religion by preaching hatred.
Great One,
Excellent Hub, as usual. Most are to scared or PC to write something like this. Call a spade a spade, that is not a racist comment.
Mr.T, So called extremists! You seemed to be some what intelligent until that statement. What would you call the G-D fearing men? Don't you understand the point of this Hub? Maybe you should read it over, or have Farrakhan explain it to you. Being Jewish; my love for your pals has NO bounds.
Islam is a combination of 3 things by Mohammad.
1/3 Christianit
1/3 Jewish
1/3 he made up.
That means Mohammed stole 2/3's to put a religion together. If he just used the 2/3's, we would all be aat peace.
Tom Thanks for you help..
Harvey thanks for checking in and I hope you have a chance to read my Hub 'Great American response to a Muslim'
Thanks Harvey, I'm glad I sounded intelligent at some point, because - you didn't.
Why should I ask Farrakhan? I'm just asking. In case you don't know, Jim Rome exposed a truth about people who proclaim that they're not making a racist comment - either they just did or soon will make a racist comment. Like when Charles Barkley says, "I don't mean to sound racist, but..." - you know he's about to say something that sounds racist.
Oh and I caught the Sarah "Pal"in rip off you dropped in. Get some new material - "pal".
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lousyA, since you put so much time into a response as to create an entire hub for it, I'll be certain to stop by and appropriately address it.
if you want to see Moslem is peace please come to Indonesia
Ladyon the mirror,
Thanks and I am sure there are many Muslims who want to live in peace. The radical Muslims who kill innocent people, including other Muslims, in the name of Allah, unfortunately muddy the water for all those who respect this great Religion.
Peace to you and thank you for your comment.
Terrorism is nothing new, too bad some so call religions have dirtied the name of Religion by preaching hatred.
I agree with you, on this point.
But have you met a terrorist? There are other motivational factors.
I'm afraid this is just another in the series of inflammatory hubs filled with ill-concealed hatred and prejudice. A terrible act was committed. You had a number of options: say nothing, say something conducive to improving relations, say something inflammatory. You went for the easiest option.
I´m a Muslim but not a terrorist.
Paraglider, there is nothing inflamatory about this Hub. I am asking those believers in Islam to help me understand how they can let certain factions of their old and great religion to muddy the waters with constant attacks, not only against the so called infidels of the west, but also against those of the Muslime faith in the Middle East. It is nothing new, It has been going on for many years, long before George Bush, long before Israel, and worse than anything it is done in the name of Allah. The words of the Koran and the Bible are words of men who claim to have a direct line to God or Allah. If there is a greater power going by any name, maybe it is time for that greater power to speak to all people instead of a chosen few who may not have gotten the message right.. Terrorism is terrorism regardless of who or what is blamed, and yes War is terrorism.. Why do we do it? Maybe it is the law of nature and a natural means of controlling the population..
Damn it I don't know, but killing those who do not want to think the way you do is just stupid!
Sam, thank you, Please read my previous response. Augustus is the on who said I wanted all Muslims dead, I respect Muslims and in another hub I pointed out that Mohammed was a good man who lived by the rules he set up and were followed in much of the Western world. He treated his wife well as an equal. If that is not the Islamic way today just who is responsible for the change? One more thing, if I have said is it Mohammed was around for 9/11 and he saw Muslims celebrating the killing of innocent people, hw would not have approved!! He was a good man!! period!!
Islam means peace and it is a peaceful religion. If few people are commiting crime in the name of Islam that does not mean that it the religion that caused it. I do not believe there is any religion that ask people to kill eachother. It is simply wrong to point out that Islam has caused terrorist activities. What is going on around the world is caused by cultural difference. People are being egoistic. They don't want to understand eacother. Instead of talking peacfully to resolve problem. They use guns and bombs. Guns and bombs kill innocent people. Only way there will be a peace in the world if everyone starts respecting eachother's value, moral and cultural ways of living.
LOL!!! When did I say that you wanted all Muslims dead? You need to be "great" enough to retract your statement if you didn't mean what you said, but that entire paragraph subtitled "This is a thinking point for all Americans.." were not my words - they are yours! You are the one that said this is a war against Islam, you are implying that it should be okay for Americans to retaliate against all Muslims without punishment. You virtually encourage an outbreak of violence against Muslims, and if you're arrested for participating...that would be Obama's fault.
If you mean what you say, stop back-pedaling and putting your words in my mouth. Man up or stand down!
Sorry, but you are kidding yourself. You are not writing impartially. You are playing to the gallery. You only have to look at the people who have jostled to the front to scream 'great hub' to see what you are denying from yourself. With an ability to write, which you have, comes an obligation to write responsibly.
p.s. in case there was any doubt, my last comment was addressed to the hub author.
greatAmerican,
When you make statements such as "Islam is organized crime at it's highest level," with no sort of qualifier to specify what sect or brand of islam you refer to, you are making a generalization. This dismisses islam as a whole as a violent and evil faith.
When you then go on later to state profoundly, "I have nothing against any religion," you contradict yourself. You obviously have an axe to grind with islam and it shows, particularly in your outcry over the alleged (there's that word again...lol) lack of outcry from the muslim community regarding violence committed in the name of islam.
In your fervor to grind said axe, you have missed that the islamic world as a whole does indeed speak out against violence. Many groups have publicaly done so.
The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), along with islamic organizations in every U.S. state where there is a major islamic community and various islamic organizations throughout the world have all spoken out to denounce and condemn any and all violence committed in the name of islam. All of these groups, as well as the majority of the muslim community have worked with law enforcement to aid efforts to combat extremist violence.
You also found it clever to dig up Rev. Wright in your portrait of President Obama as "extremist."
Sean Hannity would be proud, sir.
I urge you to go back and read the ENTIRE excerpt from that famous/infamous sermon Rev. Wright made and point out where it was that he lied or implied something untrue (besides that whole "AIDS conspiracy" thing, which was an obvious associative reference to the "Tuskegee experiment").
Now, that's a debate we can have.
Thanks Kaseena, it would be nice if you could share your message with all Islam. I believe most Muslims are peaceful. I think many Muslims are too peaceful when it comes to criticizing Muslims who kill innocent people in the name of Allah.
Paraglider,, thanks for your comments.. As an American, I only see the violence of Islamic terrorism. This is not just about Islamic terrorism against the USA, but also against European countries, and the Middle east Mainly Muslim countries. The Terrorists continue almost daily to kill in the name of Allah, Allah as I understand it the
Greater Power that Muslims look for spiritual guidence.
Until Islam terrorists stop this sensless killing they will continue to reflect on all of the Islamic world, including the moderate and peaceful nations such as Indonesia. When the next Islamic Terrorist strikes somewhere in this world, who do you think will get blamed? When the Islamic Terrorist has an opportunity to use a nuclear device against any country who do you think will feel the retaliation of a nuclear holocust? How about we all live in peace and when anyone in our circle of friends gets out of line, take care of the problem!!
BPS perhaps I could have qualified that remark,, Let me say it this way, The Taliban is no better than Organized crime,
and the Taliban is fighting a war for Islam, killing innocent people in the name of Allah. If Islam wants peace, let them clean out the scum among them and we won't have to have any of our fighting men die doing the job Islam nations should be doing. Organized crime rule by domination, Theocracies rule by domination..
Peace be with you,
I agree about the Taliban being organized crime, but must interject that they are not fighting a war for islam. They only claim they are. This is that whole misinterpretation of "jihad" at work, as they exploit non-muslim fear of this concept. They are a political party first and foremost, who embrace extremism because it foments fervor amongst those who feel they have nothing to lose anyway. They paint the U.S. as just one more invasion force who have come to impose their political and military will on the Afghan people (both muslim and non-muslim), and many (not all) of those left starved, homeless and grieving from previous warfare in their home are prone to believe them.
The islamic world has fought extremism in it's midst since it's emergence. It's no different today. It is resident partisans who have aided American and other coalition forces through intelligence and direct combat support on the ground, including muslims. They fight and die alongside americans.
Also, the Afghan peoples have fought civil wars against taliban occupation since the 80's. But we also must remember that the taliban emerged as a direct result from U.S. support of the Mujahideen against the Soviets (Osama Bin-Laden having been one of them). This support increased drastically under Ronald Reagan. The U.S. gave them weapons and training (in insurgency, car bombing, assassination, via the CIA, U.S. Special Forces & British Special Forces) and when the russians were driven out, the Mujahideen (largely tribal fighters) were left well-armed to fight it out over which tribe/s could control what areas. The Taliban came about as a Pakistan-supported movement to fight Mujahideen brutality, tribal violence and crime.
As far as "cleaning out the scum among them": No religious group can claim a complete purging of extremism or brutality amongst those who claim said religion. All of them have extremists of one shade or another. A christian extremist may not kill a muslim for being muslim in the vast majority of cases, but have proven that they will kill along racial lines, based on their interpretations of scripture. Besides, when Pres. Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did," wouldn't this qualify as christian "holy war" (Christian extremism on a massive scale)?
Wouldn't those who support this doctrine and belief be guilty of christian extremism as well?
Were you also referring to this when you mentioned "cleaning out the scum"?
Nice to know we can agree on something, I only wish you would provide evidence such as webpage of the words you attribute to GWB! You did put it up as a Quote of his exact words and I find it hard to believe!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/pressoffice/pressreleas
Oh, by the way...
My quote may not be in G.W.'s precise wording, so in that sense I should retract it as a quote and call it a quote of a quote. He does however express the exact same thing in both versions.
Alleged Bush words...
I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq… And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it.
Who says?
According to Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath, said by Bush to him, apparently in the same June 2003 meeting, as reported by BBC News [102].
and < Shaath later clarified this with "We understood that he was illustrating [in his comments] his strong faith and his belief that this is what God wanted." [103], i.e. Shaath didn't take Bush's statement literally.
denied by
Denied by White House spokesperson Scott McClellan, October 6, 2005. ALSO Denied also by Mahmoud Abbas, who attended the meeting in question. Abbas said "This report is not true. I have never heard President Bush talking about religion as a reason behind the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. President Bush has never mentioned that in front of me on any occasion and specifically not during my visit in 2003."
Great American says this..
If anyone claims God or Allah told them anything, including those Islamic terrorist who kill in the name of Allah, I would condem it,, Neither God or Allah need help if he/she/it wants to kill people, the Greater Power whatever you want to call it, has Earthquakes, Floods Epidemic, desease, and things that have not even been invented yet to do the Greater Powers Killing!!! You give Allah and God way to much credit!!
GreatAmerican was talking about that Muhammad(SAW) was a good man and he was. Who is responsible that the way of Islam is not like it was when he was alive... well almost all Muslims are very far from what he was. There are few who are closer to him. Muslims today have bad qualities and can´t or don´t want to get rid of them. Islam is very hard to understand when it comes to real relationship with ALLAH(SAW). But i think that there is only one(almost 100% sure) Muslim who is like Muhammad(SAW) but without the prophethood.
The quote is then invalid. I was wrong and posted irresponsibly.
He did say this in a state of the union speech in 2003:
“With the might of God on our side we will triumph over Iraq. God will watch over our troops and grant us a victory over the threat of Saddam’s army. God will bless us and keep us safe in the coming battle.”
Add this with the fact that he lied to justify the invasion and it leads to a criminal invocation of God.
What did you mean by, "You give Allah and God way to much credit"?
I think we give God or Allah too much credit just as we give the greater power too much blame. As I said Killing in the name of any greater power does not make sense, since any greater power should be capable of killing without mans help. Call it Credit, call it Blame, it does not belong to the greater power so why give the greater power credit for the bad deeds of mankind? I answer my own question, it is mans way of justifying his crimes against his fellow man. As for the Bush statements I will need to verify them, as you know I will.
I checked the Bush State of the Union speech 2003 and he mentioned the word God 3 times and never in connection with
any Iraq war statements. As for the old story "Bush Lied"
it all depends on who you want to believe, I might add those legislators who were privy to the same infomation as GWB believed Saddam was developing nukes. If Saddam said that was not true, who would you believe? Well don't bother I already know who you put your trust in. To each his own!
i think this is a hate hub! yes islam along with the rest of religion is full of hate. was it not constantine who killed people in the name of jesus? you may as well say the u.s army kills people in the name of god when they pray before war, can we not? how about the slavery? wasnt that in the name of a christian god? but as i read i see americans enjoy church n state being one in the same, and the only way a man or woman will be able to become prez of the states is if they are christain.
(If we have an outbreak of violence against Muslim communities within our
country, who will our President be putting in prisons?)
i would hope this doesnt fall into the prez hands, but the local police dept. and since they will most likely hate muslims like you seem to do then its a easy answer, the muslim will go to jail right or wrong. this was seen in america in the times of the nation of islam and or the black panther movement when j. edger hoover waged war on both parties.
(If we look at this as a war against Islam, which it is,
the Muslims are our enemy, we are warned against retaliation.
If we look at it as our President does, just a random shooting,
and we retaliate against any Muslim, we go directly to jail!)
as i look at american history, should the african americans of your land retaliate against white americans even if it wasnt all white americans who have oppressed them?i think not because then it would call for all white people of the world to be put to death for the crimes of old and new on the people of color in this world, correct me if im wrong! but since all white people are not full of hate like most of you are then it would be unjust and something will handle himself, as should the people who the crimes have effected directly.
but what is most important here is its a war on terror no a war on islam or muslims, but since most americans share your view this is why all muslims hate all americans, i think bout sides are foolish for this, yet i understand muslims more because it says in the quran clearly that it is right to wage war against any person or nation that trys to harm the islamic religion, like you stated "a war on islam" which in turn brings a war on you.
you should pray to god that black americans or people of color dont feel the way you feel because if the acts of few are put on the many then you and the rest who are white and agree with you should understand why war is waged against you and your families from all who are not pale face, as the native americans who have called you....another population the white man of old killed off...90% of the population over night
Rebel most of your comments have been answered in previous comments, some by me, some by others. i just want to say that on one hand you say this is not a war on Islam, then you say It is a war on Terrorism, so just who are these terrorists who kill in the name of Allah!
as i said should it be a war on christianity? judaism? because they kill in the name of god as well, even you boot camps make the troops pray to GOD and be thankful for the VIRGIN MARY, is that not pushing religion on people and killing in the name of a christian god?
i bet you believe that muslims are fully responsible for what took place on 9/11, when documentaries show that your government as well as the israeli government had alot to do with it. on one doc. news channel bbc said building 7 fell at five pm est yet you could clearly see the building in the live feed. from my understanding on mannhattan island, the towers would have been one of my most costly places to rent, yet, it was jews staying there(in the towers) for free and none of the workers ever seen them during the day, they only worked at night.(what was they doing there at night, and what was they working on has still not been answered)
one report taking from a man who worked in the towers said he heard a bang under him before the first plane hit, yet, your government took his statement out of the full 9/11 report, why? is it order from chaos, do you understand all the rights you lost on that day? the patriot act was the two planes and the towers was your bill of rights, yet your so patriotic that you let your government tell you who to hate, or is it your government who is telling you this information, who prints this for you is it and independent source? have you been to an islamic state? i believe americans telling lies to your vision(television) is ran by the decedents of the STATE of israel(51 states?)now why would the jews show you the crimes they are doing to islamic people, wouldnt it make more since to only show what the muslims do back to them?
i think you should look at your governments history before you point the finger at anyone as well as the religion your believe in, no one is innocent here, but you have to understand first is what took place on 9/11 was not only muslims, it was your government and the state of israel as well. but most important friend, your government is ran by powers that you have no idea about it seems, because if you did you would understand obama is a front man like all of your presidents of the past, back to j.f.k, jfk was telling the american public about the powers that be thats why he was killed like lincoln was and why it was an attempt on andrew jacksons life. as long as people and nations are fighting they can continue to control the mass. documentaries you should find is "the ripple effect of 9/11" "loose change" capitalist a love story" and " money masters"
your federal reserve bank is your enemy! wait it would have to be an american bank for it to be yours......
Harvey Stelman before the first hebrew abram who later becaome abramham which im sure your clear on, it was a nation which was around thousands of years before abram, we know this because the writings are on the walls still to this day, circumcision comes from memphis and just to name another blowing of the rams horn comes from memphis, it states in your bible hebrews was in memphis for years with joesph, so long that it would be impossible for any hebrew to not know the lands traditions of circumcision and the bowing of the rams horn, so i say that to say this, if any religion is stole or made up its all that is used today, for the people of memphis, kemet prayed to the sun which u jews would call paganism today. your religion is stole good sir. amenhotep introduced a monotheist religion way before abram cam around so if you claim that muhammed made up islam then it is safe to say abram made up judaism
Harvey Stelman before the first hebrew abram who later becaome abramham which im sure your clear on, it was a nation which was around thousands of years before abram, we know this because the writings are on the walls still to this day, circumcision comes from memphis and just to name another blowing of the rams horn comes from memphis, it states in your bible hebrews was in memphis for years with joesph, so long that it would be impossible for any hebrew to not know the lands traditions of circumcision and the bowing of the rams horn, so i say that to say this, if any religion is stole or made up its all that is used today, for the people of memphis, kemet prayed to the sun which u jews would call paganism today. your religion is stole good sir. amenhotep introduced a monotheist religion way before abram cam around so if you claim that muhammed made up islam then it is safe to say abram made up judaism
Rebel, I can see there is no use trying to carry on a civil conversation with you. You sound bitter, anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish,,etc...Your attempt to pass the blame for all the worlds problems on America convince me since the Islamic nations have been killing in the Name of Allah long before Columbus sailed the seas.. I just want to say I could care less what Muhammed may or may not have done.. We have had the words of humans for years who claim to have spoken with a greater power, usually by them selves on a mountain.. (Moses, Joseph Smith, Mohammed) but I for one although I beleve in a greater power do not buy their stories. So be it, as I said in another comment, to each his own, this is my opinion,,
God bless America, God bless you, and have a Merry Chistmas.
I have 2 strikes....wow.
No more Bush quotes until I triple check them.
I will, however stand by the belief that G.W. did either lie or was misinformed himself about 9/11, particularly as a prelude to war.
There is much in the way of evidence from engineering, archetictural and demolition specialists, as well as witnesses (first responders, NYC police, NYC firefighters, security, WTC employees) that point to explosions just before each building fell. This is particularly strange for building #7, which imploded as well, but was not hit by a plane.
Also:
Historically, islam has typically been tolerant of other faiths. Check it out.
Just as in any other religious belief, once political, economic and other ideological motives are infused therein, God takes a backseat to the desire to subdue others toward those ends.
All that Bush conspiracy crap is crap. It is only wishful thinking to those who want to blame America First, last and allways.
Bush is a man of honor and if he wanted that 9/11 attack, he would have had the guts to fly one of those airliners!! Ok so God or Allah want to take a backseat, sounds like a lot of Americans, but just the same assuming there is an Allah, Why the hell doesn't he/she/it just do his/her/it own dirty work.. Oh yeah, now I am back to natural disasters, do you suppose those are the work of your
supreme being? As for taking a backseat does tha equate to a stamp of approval from Allah or God? Does that mean we all should be killing each other to honor our supreme being?
I have nothing against religion, I am against those who want to suppress any symbol or word of religion, and I think religion gives many people hope and reason for existance, I prefer the word 'God' since it is understandable to the general population of my country.
You say Islam is tolerant to other faiths, isn't it strange that mose Middle East countries are Islam with very few people of other faiths. Isn't Islamic clerics in Iran who want to kill all Jews? How about asking your Islamic clerics to allow our soldiers in Iraq to display symbols of their religion in their private quarters? Tolerant,,
I don't think so!!
rebel_wolf,
This is Harvey getting back to you. I see on your Profile Page that you have not written anything, and have no fans. Normally that is understandable, but with you it goes without saying. What country are you from and what religion are you?
My guess is you are not from the USA, and if you are you didn't graduate high school. The "facts" you give are fantasy and you constantly rant in a very poor fashion.
I am in the midst of writing an article having to do with Muslim's. You will be so excited to read this, you might ..... your pants. Have a nice day.
harvey stelman you was so quick to discredit me you missed the point that ive been here two weeks, so i really havent had time to look into the site and see if its a place i wanted to be, but now you made me feel right at home thx.
as far as school goes well most americans can only pass a standardized test which means for the most part they have not really learned anything.
im not a nationalist nor religious person so to answer that would make me one of the two if not both..
and best of luck with the muslim paper me myself i really dont like religion or the blind people who follow it, foolish fools i say, how ever here is a paper i did on american students http://hubpages.com/hub/no_standardized_testing
and here is and african american talking about african religion and what hebrews stole i hope you dont wet yourself nor do i hope it makes you stop you paper on muslims http://hubpages.com/hub/WHAT-THE-HEBREWS-STOLE-FRO
greatamerican you didnt answer my questions nor any other blogger on here, what i did notice is that you ducked my questions as well as T_Augustus, i think he has and idea of what im trying to ask and say yet, you say you have no time for him and his questions
i find it funny you have time to give thank to the rest of your hateful clan....
T_Augustus if you read this i feel sorry as i have always for you and your people because of so called greatamericans like this one, augustus you should understand i feel you pains even abroad....peace to the true great americans
Rebel, if you go back ,, way back up this list of comments you will see my response to t_augustus
I have given your comments a great deal of time and I have responded in another hub, If you don't want to check it out that's fine with me, but if you want some more facts you can discredit by simply calling me names, just don't bother.
Yes I did an entire hub to respond to him and he did read it and comment.. You may want to look it up,,
GreatAmerican responds to a Muslim...
So know what you are talking about and you won't need to feel sorry for anyone!!
"We, Muslims, love Death more than the infidels love Life"!
Will they ever get a new line!
It is like the jihadist talking point. "I love death more than you love life."
Jeesh,... they should meet some of the death loving Americans I know. No fear of death. Just Govt imposition and higher taxes, losing liberties and being over-lorded by an American tyrant.
That is after all why we have the second anmendment. So we can die in our zeal to live free.
Well. Thats my new mantra;. "I love freedom, more than Muslims love death, and will die willingly to defend it.
Hell,... I think the unit mantra in my basic training was also a very applicable one. "Kill 'em all, let their own God sort 'em out."
And no. You wont see that scrawled on the walls of the barracks anymore. Thank you, liberals.
GreatAmerican,
You're right. All the conspiracy crap is indeed crap. What isn't crap is evidential fact that shows things are different than what government tells us. I lived in NYC when the disasters happened. I remember seeing live footage of newspeople reporting multiple, synchronized explosions coming from the buildings (described by people on the scene) just before the buildings fell. Maybe all those reporters, cops, EMT's, employees and firefighters were and are all lying. Maybe the science experts are too. Why would they ALL have lied and told the exact same lie?
My belief is my belief (for whatever it happens to be worth) and I'm not saying that all this proves anything concrete, but that all of it bears official investigation.
What's more is I don't "blame America first." I do have reason, however to seek answers from G.W. and those around him at the end of the day, just as you and I have every right to question Obama at every turn. I know you understand dissent, because you (as do all of us) engage in such.
Those countries in the so-called "middle east" that you refer to happen to have muslim majorities, but other religious groups live in most of them alongside muslims. Is there universal harmony? No. However, just as suspicion prevails at times with majorities against minorities everywhere on this earth, christians, jews and other religious groups (even muslims) have been victimized at times in arab countires.
The thing is...
An islamic "country" did not persecute them. Just like a "country" did not attack the U.S. A "country" is not killing U.S. service people overseas. Neither is a faith. There are (sick, criminal, misguided, murderous) groups who identify with said faith (like all faiths) who commit violence against all who do not agree with them. This is the same as many christian whites who feel it is their duty as such to commit violence against anyone who is not white, christian and heterosexual. It is the same as Black people who feel it is their right (because of discrimination they have suffered) to victimize any white person on sight if they are caught on the "wrong block."
Does this justify generalizations of all black people or white people or muslims, or arabs...or anyone for that manner?
Not in my opinion.
african americans native americans japanese americans and any other none white american have all been oppressed by white americans so called good white christian americans, this is what HISTORY teaches, so i have to feel sorry for them.
yes i also hold strongly that an international banking system which is protected by american british and european forces for there personal interest is one of the main reasons most of the world is oppressed (g20 summit)
what i cant understand for the life of me is why americans cant see the benefit in the 9/11 attacks, yes your government benefited greatly from the attacks as well as the state of israel. so i should deeply feel sorry for all stated above as well as for your children future in the states, for your rights and freedoms you hold so dearly is not threatened by outside forces, but the forces within.
the patriot act was signed 45 days after 9/11 in turn you lost a lot of your rights as i stated before the towers was your bill of rights and the planes was the patriot act, but you so caught up in your "god bless america and no place else" b.s that you cant see that the government has taken what they say muslims or islam is trying to take.
whats funny is you hold all muslims accountable for the acts of few,you wage war on islam and muslims alike,i wonder do you feel the same for nazis or germans? as history also shows adolf hitler tried to kill of all jews first then(for sake of this point here)he put a jihad on all other races of people who was not of pure white blood, which threatened the states and the states interest,JEWS!
from reading your blog and comments i take it you wouldnt didnt and wont feel that you would or should wage war on nazis because they are white.
greatamerican, if you was such which i think you are not because america was build on a dream that all is equal with equal rights, which you dont seem to think, then you would stand up for your rights as an american and fight the true tyrant here.
the patriot act is unconstitutional,habeas corpus or your right to do process has been taking away, checks and balances has been taken away,privacy and free speech rights taken away, the privacy of your social security number and other private financial or medical information by order of secret courts and they muzzle those citizens who receive such orders to give said information from speaking publicly about it.
your federal government has turned American freedoms into a world wide mockery with their unchecked spying on ordinary americans, but is this not what they said the muslims was trying to do to america?
this is like a game of three card monty "watch the hands. watch the hands"
if you was such a great american you would demand truth from 9/11 and no more secrete meeting bills or laws passed by your government no matter how much they insure you its for your safety.
but as we say here, what else would you aspect from the american public, they are a nation of average students, lustful, alcoholic far from reasonable loud and obnoxious fools,blinded by patriotic thoughts, living as if they never heard of rome.....
im not anti american im anti tyrant, i dont think the american government if the leader behind the worlds chaos, the head of the world banks are, if your such and great american you should blog about your federal reserve bank, this is why i feel sorry for your children..watch the hand watch the hand!
"Neither is a faith."
Wrong,... they are doing this because of a faith. Islam. They are the Mujihadin, Islamic Holy Warroirs. Thats a fact, and no wishing it wasn't makes it true.
Also, their hatred for the west and Christianity existed way before America. So explain that if it is all Americas fault.
You people really need to learn and study your Islam before you make half cocked assumtions about the cause of conflict in this world.
Mohhammud said conquer and they are attemting to fullfil his last command.
Take a look at the wars currently ongoing in the world. islam is involved in 97% of them.
That is just coincedence?
And that stat stands from even before we were attacked on sept 11 2001
TMMason thats so cute! the Caucasian as history shows has been a menace to society from the first record of them to present day! the caucasian has been in conflict with other tribes and nations if not its own from the beginning to present day, the same stats you show for islam is the same stats held for caucasians if not higher,is it safe to say the holy war against christianity and islam still exists today?
ever caucasian ruler has tried to conquer all lands under one rule or establish a one world order. because of the caucasian we understand the meaning "dog eat dog" or "only the strong survive" this comes from observation of the caucasian in the causaian mountains before the caucasian was civilized.being that if you was weak the stronger of the two would win the fight for what ever it was and survive. they even conquered womens bodys or known today as raped the womans body.
didnt your studies tell you this?didnt it also tell you that caucasians were derelicts until they came across kemet? or your pride or hollywood has convinced you that what is known as egyptians today, a mixed race of nations and cultures, has always been, when history and translation tell us that kemet was a nation of a black civil race of people and kemet translates to black land.
not to defend islam or muslims, but its two sides of this story an it goes to far back to understand who started all of this, but lets be clear, both sides have wronged each other, there is no greater evil here so there is no reason to hold all responsible for the actions of the few. if this was the case and we did, please, can you point out a greater massacre then the one that took place when the crusaders took over jerusalem an killed ever muslim man woman and child behind the city walls.because if the greatamerican and his followers are just in their shared belief that all muslims are enemies because of the actions of the few who use islam as a pillar to crimes they commit, why is it wrong then if muslims share the same enthusiastic feelings?
You, have absolutely no clue. And talking to you, as I have seen in so many other posts you rant in, is of no use.
Besides. Your broken english is preschool level at best. Your confabulated histories are also childish. So don't bother commenting my comments, or posts, because your not worth the headache.
And you seem to forget that islam was around and at war with all its neighbors, and any others it could attack, a long time before the USA was in existence.
As far as Caucasians thing, thats one hell of a generalization. Sort of like "all Muslims are terrorists". Which we know to be false. But thats okay friend, you'll learn one day.
You have a lot of learning to do. So go and find some accurate texts to spout from, my friend. I will forgive your ignorance for now.
And. There is more than two sides to this story, friend.
Muslims, dictate for war comes from the Qu'ran and A'hadith, it cannot be changed. Our new testament, which Christians follow. Does not in any way teach war and death in the name of Christ.
That would be those who seem to think we should take the old testament as our ways. I dont. the new testament is for Christianity, the old testament is for the history of.
Islam is commanded by thier Allah, to "make war against the world. Till all declare, Allah the one true God and Mohhammud his prophet." thats pretty specific.
Show me that in Christianity? You cannot,... It isnt there. And some medievil translation and confabulation of the two text, old an New. Is not Christianity.
As far as the Crusades. There were many massacres. What about the peoples Crusade? Slaughtered on the eastern side of the bosporus. Men Woman and Children, tens of thousands of them.
Also Islam is in the middle of worse slaughters than any committed jerusalem. how about the Sudan, or Abu Sayuf in the south pacific.
Islam commits slaughter every day in this age. We dont have to look (800) eight hundred years in the past to find their actions.
Unlike Christianity. Which has grown in understanding of our faith and the commands of our God.
Who doesn't command us to slaughter all who refuse to believe as we do.
Hubba Hubba Bubba, I need to give some thoughts to all these comments! I'll be baaaack!
tmmason i agree and thx for the reference of the peoples crusade, i am sure to read on it soon, all in all, religion is a social ill, but here is a hub on just how
http://hubpages.com/hub/christians-on-hubpages
i hope you find the time to read it
I will. Thank you for the refrences.
TM,
Mujahideen literally means "freedom fighter." Just as islam in general, there are groups whom have hijacked the term to imply a war against christians, jews, israel and others. This is not indicative of the true nature of the word, or islam.
The Q'uran does not sanction murder. When the Q'uran was revealed, the community that followed Muhammad was in a state of constant attack from those who considered them heretics. These were mostly pagan tribes.
Show me a passage from the q'uran that does promote or sanction murder or even hatred and we can discuss it.
It's important to also must make the distinction between quranic scripture and fatwas. Fatwas are basically opinions offered by islamic scholars to interpret islamic law. Islamic law is laid down in quranic scriptures, however just as people interpret the bible to justify all kinds of things (positive & negative), the q'uran is used this way as well. This is when varying (often divergent opinions) on interpreting islamic law (scripture) come about. In fact any fatwa, if found to contradict the q'uran is invalid and not to be adhered to.
The q'uran calls for peace throughout. It also deals with conduct during times of war. It also embraces christians and jews as peoples of the book. One must apply historical perspective and context to scripture of any sort, especially as it defines the way we treat people of other faiths and vice-versa.
In fact, Muhammad had wives from both (coptic) christian and jewish tribes. Muhammad also did business with them and served as a mediator amongst tribes (pagan, jewish and christian) where he governed. He could not have done so without good relations with both groups.
Any interpretation of quranic scripture that calls for murder is in direct contradiction with true islamic teaching.
As far as christianity goes:
If I use your standard, the bible calls for murder as well. The 13th chapter of Deuteronomy alone proves this.
Or...maybe a bit of contextual application is needed here as well.
I am still working on response but FYI
"The Qur'an says that Allah curses the one who harms the Prophet in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorized as an unbeliever. The Judgment of the unbeliever is that he is killed. [...] There is a difference between ... harming Allah and His Messenger and harming the believers. Injuring the believers, short of murder, incurs beating and exemplary punishment. The judgment against those who harm Allah and His Prophet is more severe – the death penalty."[104]
1- Main Entry: mu·ja·hid·een
Variant(s): or mu·ja·hed·in also mu·ja·hed·een \mü-?ja-hi-?d?n, mu?-, -?jä-\
Function: noun plural
Etymology: Arabic muj?hid?n, plural of muj?hid, literally, person who wages jihad
Date: 1922
Jihad. Wow! What is that. Lets get rid of all the medievil fantasies about what true "Jihad" is? it is not an internal struggle against the carnality of oneself.
Not by any means.
Jihad. Is the imposition of Islam, Shari'a, and the Word of allah spread across the entirety this world. Regardless of the means. ie: through warfare, through conversion, or conquering.
We cannot allow for the medievil concept of jihad to negate and cover the fact that Mohhammud's Islam espoused jihad in a specific manner, to spread the word of Allah to the entire world. As Mohhammud's last commands ordered all the faithful to do.
Ibn Abi Zayd al'Qayrawani, the reknowned Malikite jurist, died in 996 A.D. Stated as follows:
Jihad is a precept of devine institution. It performanc by some, dispenses others from it. We malikis, (one of the four majoor schools of Islamic thought.), maintain it is prefereable to not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah.except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative to convert or pay the poll tax, (Jizya.- see my post, understanding what you read.), short of which war will be declared against them.
Ibn Taymiyyah, died 1328, a reknowned Hanbali Jurists states plainly enough:
Since lawfull warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is, THAT THE RELIGION IS ALLAH'S ENTIRELY AND GOD'S WORD IS UPPERMOST, THEREFORE ACCORDING TO ALL MUSLIMS, THOSE WHO STAND IN THE WAY OF THIS AIM MUST BE FOUGHT.
Again that is pretty clear there. Or do you know more than your Scholars and Jurists?
I doubt it.
I have studied Usal Al'Fiqh and Rasul Al'Fiqh for more than a decade and a half. Jihad has been, and always will be a war to place allah above all other religions, in fact destroying those religion so they are no more, and all religion belongs to your allah.
The Muhajideen are holy warriors. the Zakat was created to support them first and fore-most.
So go tell someone who doesn't know.
I am also well aware of the art of "Taquiyya" and "Kithman". (A concept embedded in the Qu'ran itself and declared as valid for all Muslims. And I quote, ":...all is lawful to the Muslim in time as these. ie: captured or in a weakened state in which one cannot fight and progress Islam as called to do.)
Should we discuss that?
How your God says you can lie, cheat, steal, and deny your religion, if it helps to progress Islam.
So. Spout your deception all you want. I wll clear it all up for those who don't know what game you play.
I apologize if you are not a Muslim sir. i seemed to get the impression you were through your post.
but if you think Muhajidden means freedom fighter. that is an abyssmal understand of the Arabic language.
Muhajideen is etimologically connected to: Din ie: The core meaning of din is obedience. As a Quranic technical term, din refers to the way of life and the system of conduct based on recognizing God as one's sovereign and committing oneself to obey him. (As in taking up Jihad.)
According to Islam, true din consists of living in total submission to God, and the way to do so is to accept as binding the guidance communicated through the Prophet.
you should seek the proper definitions, not some populist redifining of words in use today.
have a good thanks giving
In fact, Muhammad had wives from both (coptic) christian and jewish tribes. Muhammad also did business with them and served as a mediator amongst tribes (pagan, jewish and christian) where he governed. He could not have done so without good relations with both groups.
Any interpretation of quranic scripture that calls for murder is in direct contradiction with true islamic teaching.
As far as christianity goes:
If I use your standard, the bible calls for murder as well. The 13th chapter of Deuteronomy alone proves this.
You are just so far gone here.
One! Mary, Mohhammud's coptic wife, was a slave. Not exactly her choice, and in no way does slavery show love of, or addoration. That is absurd. And his jewish wives were also slaves? What is your point? He was a pervert who liked to enslave woman, we know that already.
As far as in conflict with the Qu'ran. Your whole outlook on islam is out of whack from the Qu'ran.
Learn when what was said, then tell me about what that book says.
Lastly. The book of dueturonomy, is Old Tesatament.
So you obviously dont have a clue as to what I was saying. So dont tell me, by my standard. Because you do not understand what my standard is.
No where in the New Testament does Christ call for war, or death, or murder, in the name of God. Have you ever read the New testament.
Okay! I think that covers all your points. Let me know if not.
rebel,
Every Army has always prayed to their G-D before going into battle.
Slavery: I have a friend from Zambia that told me the following. Most of the slavery was done by African's selling theirown slaves to Whites and Arabs (Muslim's). What country do you live in?
reb,
You still haven't mentioned a country! I don't care whatreligion you are; but if you write to defend Muslim's, it would be nice to know if you are writing about your people.
So education means little to you, it is evident in your writing. Why do refer to things that happened centuries ago? That leads me to think you are a Muslim. Stand and be proud!
reb,
You videos were great, I was having a problem with constipation. Great Hub, no written words. You must go to wherever Rev. Wright is preaching. I sense you both love the same animal, the bull.
reb,
Heard it all years ago, the U.S. gov't. and Israel were in on 911. What did either counyry have to gain by this? Try conspiracy theory 101. A friend of mine was in the Towers, thank G-D she's still alive. She will never be the same person. She loves America and Israel!
reb & TM,
Talking in the present would be nicer. Quoting the bible and Queran you get many interpretations. I don't think the greatAmerican wants all Muslim's dead, just the terrorists that want to kill everyone not like them. I elaborate more on my latest Hub.
reb, Maybe it's a lack of education; but in some sentenes it sounds like you live in the USA, in others it sounds like you live abroad.
TM, Where did you receive your theology degree?
I have never said in any way, to kill all Muslims. Where would you get that?
"Talking in the present would be nicer."
Yes. It would be. But unfortunatly for Islam, and our discussions of it, the truth of the Qu'ran lies in the 7th thru 14 centuries.
"Quoting the bible and Queran you get many interpretations."
Yes, in a way. The Qu'ran is literal on many of the salient points in this discussion though. ie; Judgment of dis-believers, and Jihad.
Oh. And If I said Harvard Divinity. Would it make my opinions any more or less than what they are now?
I give verification for all I say, and If you would like more places to verify Islam's words and ways. I can give them to you.
Sorry didn't mean that as badly as it reads from here. I just believe ones opinion or the merits there-of. Should be based on the facts in said opinions.
Yes?
I am not trying do divert the subject . I need the help of those who have good memory.
in October 1983 a suicide bomber killed 241 marines in a military compound in Lebanon . Can any one remember what the marine were doing there.
Peace keeping I believe.
Or we were suppossed to call it that.
I am sure there were other reasons we dont know of.
I am also sure I will have a hundred other reasons, both innoquis (?) and sinister, listed for it. All the conspiricy pro's are siking up right now I bet.
Awesome information,..Infact I had started reading part's of the Koran last night to see what it said for myself,..thanks to your information regaurding the chapters you saved me a lot of time. Keep on Hubbing,..
harvey like i said patriot act!
harvey have you even seen your father wake up in cold sweats screaming, crying, asking for forgiveness?i have
my father told me "never walk on highways"(dont follow popular opinion)and you have to live with the orders you follow..
to answer where im from im a military brat..sorry if i played a game with you all, but again harvey thank you for making me feel at home.
harvey did you read my paper on standardized tests? thats my view point on american education.....well the cat is out the bag now
p.s im also from arizona just in case me just being an american is not enough info for you harvey
Some of the people here are an embarrassment to the United States. It is your inability to differentiate between the crimes of one individual and the majority of other Muslims that makes you sound really stupid. The logic that you apply on these pages is similar to me saying that you are all members of the Klu Klux Klan because you are white Americans. The majority of the Muslim faith do not support terrorism in any shape or form. The majority of the Muslim faith are good law abiding people. You shame yourselves with the comments that you write here...land of the free indeed.
From a disgusted Irishman
I have heard, and it seems to be the going line today, that all white men are racists.
Of course? I think most White Americans are to infected with, "white guilt", to be racists.
Just my humble opinion.
Jack, when I see somthing wrong with the way people of any color, including white, misbehave against society I speak up, unfortunatly we do not hear millions of Muslims raising their voices in opposition to the so called "few" Islamic Terrorists.. I was told when I was very young,, "Silence means consent". No one thinks all Muslims are Terrorist, but their silence does imply
consent... NO GUILT, here, my friend, it is not my Humble opinion, just good old fashioned logic... Stupid, Racist I don't think so! God bless you and all Irishmen..God bless America.. Peace be to you!!
There are always a criminal in our society,it is not in religion even in a normal daily society activities.whoever intention to do bad things against a law,they are called criminal,we civilians do not misunderstand and start judging a person.A good citizen and a good person is when they respect each other and do not to forget there are always a criminal in our society.Even tough i am not an american but september 11 tragedy, that was xactly done by criminal who use religion as their name of philosophy achievement.
God bless you and yours also, Great America. And I hope your having a great Thanks-Giving.
"september 11 tragedy, that was xactly done by criminal"
NO. That act was committed by a muslim terrorist cell. Who were devout followers of Islam. There interpretation is valid. And supported by all Islamic Scholars past and present. Post one Islamic Scholar or Jusrist who openly oposses their interpretation and condemns their acts.
You cannot!
He,(and I do mean he, women are to Intellectual deficient to interpret the words of allah and Mohhammud. see:Sahih Al'Bukhari vol 1, Hadis # 301 see also vol 3, hadis #826.) -,
or they, do not exist. "Sorry Ladies"-TM
And don't bring me some white western wanna be muslim Imam.
Bring me a reknown Jurist or Scholar.
Go ahead. See you when you get back from searching.
I am not American (neither am I a Muslim, for the record), so I won't delve too deeply into the business of a country that is not my own.
I do know lots of Muslims though, so I know that at least some Muslims deplore "Islamic" terrorism, and this includes the families of the Muslims in the Twin Towers, and the families of the Muslim victims of terror attacks in Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and many other places.
The idea that Obama is a Muslim seems very strange to me: Muslims don't attend Christian churches for a start, but, of course, as politician, it is perhaps every citizen's responsibility to criticize those who want to lead us, and from every conceivable angle.
Finally, I am reminded of the Republican military hero Colin Powell being interviewed (on Meet the Press?), and defending those Muslim Americans who fight in the US armed forces.
Just for the record, this latest terrorist attack is abhorrent (and yes, it should be called a terrorist attack). It was certainly an "Islamic" terrorist attack. Mind you, the IRA were "Catholic" terrorists fighting Protestants... I am not sure that means Christianity is a terrorist religion, all the same (though there is that matter of the Crusades, I guess...).
By the way, someone posted a comment saying the Muslims are going to take over Europe: I lived a total of 21 years in Europe, including this decade, and in two countries (one with a huge Pakistani population) -- it is utterly ridiculous to suggest that Muslims are taking over there: even the Christians can hardly get a look in!
Anyway, this is a mixed bag of comments. What happened on September 11th was horrific. The world sympathized with you all, as it often does. When Katrina broke, the very poor Muslim country of Bangladesh found it in their hearts to send relief money. Finally, there are a good one billion Muslims; surely, if they really were all violent, and if they really all wanted to take over the world, the deed would have been done long ago. I have spent time in the Muslim world, and most of them want to find jobs, have good family lives, chase girls, and watch soap operas; in other words, ninety percent of what they do is the same as what we do... and most of them couldn't give two figs about politics either way.
Anyway God Bless America for granting freedom of speech, I will defend your right to publish your opinion to the death: this is a sacred privilege, and thank goodness the USA and some other countries grant it to its citizens -- in that sense, I support you wholeheartedly.
jack mccumiskey, in short, I must agree with you!
A disgruntled Irishwoman!
Hi guys,
I am new here, but the 'conversation' here has been very interesting. I would like to thank TMMason for his brilliant and scholastic knowledge on the 'issue' of Islamic true teaching. TM is abosolutely correct. I say this not because I am an expert on the subject, but I have three books with me written by an ex-professor at Alazar (sorry for the misspelling) Univeristy in Eygpt) and is now a born again Christain and Ph.D in Christian history. From what I learn for this professor, is exactly what TM is saying. In other words, TM speaks the truth about the eteaching of Islam and why "extremist" Muslims do what they do.
Again I ask.
Where are the Jurists and Scholars?
Post 'em if'n ya got 'em.
I'ma waitin... ... ... ... ...
And.
I still have never said all Muslims are terrrorists, or violent.
Never! Show me where in my posts I have said it?
How goes the search,... hahahahahahaha
Where are all the Muslim Apologists?... Where are the Muslims,... show me the Love,... and peace. Don't forget the peace.
You can delete this if you want, GA
I am just messin with 'em.
I know they ain't never gonna find any such thing. hahahaha......
The link above provides answer about Islam and Terrorism.
Due to some radical Muslim ignorance, they are ruining other people lives and the name of Islam.
The link above provides answer about Islam and Terrorism.
Due to some radical Muslim ignorance, they are ruining other people lives and the name of Islam.
eovery says:
2 weeks ago
You are a great American. Thanks for the great hub. I love to hear someone with passion stand up and tell the truth.
Biggest problem these guys will control Europe and part of the Western Continent within 20-30 years. Get used to it.
Keep on hubbing!