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Online Dating - First Meeting. Who Pays?

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By Veronica



I received this comment on my HUB Online Dating Tips - How to tell if he's for real . The HUB is about dating online, and setting up that first meeting with your web-friend.

Dr. 568 says:

"Excellent article. I have a question for you regarding this. By the way I am a guy in my 40's. On this first meeting you suggest, should I offer to pick up the check? I don't want to come off like a jerk and not pick up the check even if it's just coffee. But on the other hand I don't want to give the wrong impression that this was more of a date than it was. It's technically not even a real date, it's a first meeting. I'm not trying to get out of paying. I always pay on dates unless the lady has said before hand that she wants to treat for some reason, like it is my birthday. I don't want to give the wrong impression by picking up the tab. What should I do?"

Thanks for the comment. This is a really good question.

When a man picks up the tab it is definitely sending a certain signal. Several of my HUBmates have written articles about the etiquette of dating. When I was dating, I expected the guy to pick up the check unless like you said, I communicated before the event that this one was on me.

The fair-play side to that, is that if a lady is on a date and she feels no romantic attraction, she shouldn't let the guy treat. At least she should offer to pay for her meal. It's the same principle as not accepting a drink from a guy in a bar that you aren't interested in.

There are some guys that aren't classic gentlemen. And there are women that are freeloaders. Members of both sexes have screwed this nice tradition up royally.

A real man pays, I agree. But a real lady doesn't accept unless she's interested.

There are other factors, like the "who can afford it" factor. We've all had that first apartment with the big spool for a coffee table and milk crates for a bookshelf. If you're at a point in your life where spending a few extra bucks on a couple coffees is a big deal, you need to really think about these meetings.

Dr568, I agree with you that this isn't technically a date. Since this is a first meeting only, I think it's fair to say the guy isn't expected to pay.

Be wary of the signals you send out with this. If you're the guy and you go on this first meeting and you're all about her, by all means pick up the tab. It's a sign to let her know you kinda dig her.

And if you're the lady on that first meeting, and he offers to pick up the tab, only let him if you're all about him too. If you let him treat, you've let him believe this turned out to be a date. Don't send out that signal unless you mean it.

The opposite is a clear signal too. If you meet and don't feel that romantic attraction after all, you should each pay for your own.

I think there is a larger social etiquette that must be kept in mind. It's a first meeting, so hopefully you've chosen a cafe or a bar or an ice cream place on the boardwalk. Hopefully you're talking about $10 - $20 tops. That kind of money is really not worth a scene, or making someone feel uncomfortable. If you've tried to be clear with your signals about how you felt the meeting went, and the other person isn't being the lady or the gentlemen you had hoped for, well... lesson learned. Just go along and then leave.

If you are at a point in life where $10 - $20 isn't always ok, make sure you don't set up one of these initial meetings unless you can cover the tab if it comes to that. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Dr 568, I think you're question was so good that I'd like to use it to ask the ladies to help out here.

Girls, if you initiate the meeting, maybe you could go ahead and say something like, "Let's meet for a coffee, my treat!"

If that's not your style, then maybe you could just be a little extra conscious of your clarity when the meeting is winding up. Before he reaches for the check, maybe you could indicate something, like by saying, "This was so much fun. I really hope we can do this again soon." OR "Well I can always use another friend. I'm glad we met so we can be friends." Ladies, if you see the guy is a bit confused and trying his best, give him a hand. You could just put your money down,or say - "You pay and I'll leave the tip." Or, "You get this round, I will get the next round." Or something. Anything. Don't let a nice guy suffer.

Guys, I'm sorry if this goes against your smoothness factor, but I see nothing wrong with being honest. If she initiates a meeting, I don't see anything wrong with your saying, "Let's do it after Friday, when I get paid." If you're out there on the first meeting and you really don't know what to do, talk about it. Tell her you'd like to pick up the tab, and ask her how would she feel about that. You may even want to settle this before you go out.

Thanks for the comment Dr. 568. Good luck with your online dating. Keep us posted!

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Carolyn  says:
2 years ago

I'm one of those women that believes the man should pick up the check when we go out to eat. I feel very strongly about that. I think you are right. If he picks up the check it sends me a signal that this is a date. If it is a first meeting I would take that to mean he's interested. This is good advice. I agree he shouldn't automatically pick up the tab if he doesn't want to send me that signal.

Dr568  says:
2 years ago

Thank you so much for this advice. You hit upon all the different things that were going through my head.

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Chuck  says:
2 years ago

Good Hub. I may be old fashioned, but I feel that the guy should pick up the tab when he asks a girl out, even if is a first meeting in an online relationship. I did do some online dating when I was single and each time it came to a first meeting, I would give her my phone number (thereby letting her protect her privacy) so she could call me and we could arrange a time and place to meet. It was usually coffee, a drink or meal and I always paid. I suppose if the woman had insisted on the meeting I might have held back and let her offer, but more than likely I would have simply broken it off online. Chuck

Mary  says:
2 years ago

I'm an old fashioned girl and I think that the man should pay when we go out. But I do not think a man should pay if I'm not dating him. I think when you let a man pay for a drink he has a reason to expect something. It's not smart to put myself in that position. I have met some people on a dating site and I've made it a point to avoid the paying all together. I ask them to meet me at the entrance to the mall. Lots of people, and its free to go into the mall.

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Veronica  says:
2 years ago

Chuck,

I like that you're old fashioned and I agree with you. However, not all guys are gentlemen. I'm sure I'm not the only woman that found out the hard way that I sent a certain message when I let the guy pick up the check.

Mary,

You're right, better safe than sorry. It's nice that you're old fashioned AND savy at the same time.

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LondonGirl  says:
14 months ago

All this agreement that the man should pay seems very weird to me! It must be a cultural thing - I've never met any men who would automatically pay all the time and no women who would expect to be paid for all the time either.

New Online dater  says:
8 months ago

I met up with a man for drinks recently who I'd been talking to online. We got on very well, he mentioned going out again a few times during the evening but I was quite surprised when he didn't pay the bill! I'm not a freeloader, but I do prefer when a guy pays for the first date. He emailed me the next day to say how much he enjoyed the evening and would like to see me again. Normally if a guy didn't pay the first date, I wouldn't accept a second date, but am confused with the rules of online dating!

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Veronica  says:
8 months ago

New -

If he kept saying he'd like to see you again, maybe he was feeling you out to see if you too thought this was a "date" and you were into him. Maybe he didn't "pick up" a clear answer from you, and so he didn't "pick up" the check, trying not to pressure you or seem assuming.

Dating today is alot different than dating was 10 years ago, and online dating adds another element. Many women today are not old fashioned and do not want guys picking up the check - Not to say it's bad, but to point out that your guy may just be abiding by what he thinks is a current respectful social practice.

The recurring theme in my HUBS is true for you too - Communicate honestly. You need to just tell him how you feel about this.

However, in your case I strongly advise you be delicate here since it's new and it kind of involves his manhood. Accept the second date. If you can be very adorable, like offer to make the coffee and bring it in a thermos to meet him at the swings at the park, or at some local attraction or site where you can sit together. That way, you've REMOVED the paying thing from the equation. That way, it is very very clear that you are not a free loader like you said, and that this isn't about money, it's about a feeling.

Once you've set that stage and you're comfortably there on that second date where there is no check coming, that's when you should tell him. Let him know you weren't sure what to think on the first date when he didn't pick up the check. Let him know you like him in that way, that "Dating" way, and you had hoped he'd pick up the check to show you he felt that way too.

He could be very surprised you felt that way, and he may put your mind to ease by letting you know he agrees with you but didn't want to assume anything. Then again, he may tell you he thinks that philosophy of the guy paying for the date is bullshit. In any case, this is an important dialogue for you to have and should reveal exactly what you want to know.

Keep us posted!

Veronica

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Gerg  says:
8 months ago

I'm a slow-learner, but I did finally figure out to handle this issue as you say. Several times, I made the mistake of meeting for the first time around 6 at a nice bar affiliated with a restaurant. So naturally, after you've had a few sips and conversation, it transitions to food. Being polite, I was paying for $100 dinners for women I really wasn't into - which sent a signal to them I didn't want to send. I finally figured out I was making this far too complicated. Starbucks at 10am is much simpler! If after that, it's a connection, then move to dinner . . .

Of course, I met my current girlfriend at about 6 at a wine bar . . . attached to a restaurant . . . . and I happily paid! So, maybe you'd best not listen to me at all on this issue! ;-)

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Veronica  says:
8 months ago

Gerg,

Congratulations on finding your current girlfriend.

I'm so glad you commented. When a guy picks up the check, he's sending a signal. When a lady lets him, she is sending a signal. Don't signal if you're not turning. And don't confuse that with the gentlemen factor. They say a gentlemen should always pay? No. A gentlemen should always be honest. And they say a lady should never pay? No. A lady should always be honest too.

xo

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thehotspotguide  says:
5 months ago

Great hub. I think whoever asked the other person out should pay.

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