Orange on St. Patrick's Day - What Happened to Green?
80The Flag of Ireland
I Thought It Was Green
Elementary school celebrations in my day encompassed the usual cliche's: the pot of gold, the rainbow, the little green clad men, green grass, and shamrocks. We never received any of the history or mythology of it. As we never celebrated the holiday at home, I knew nothing about it other than the fairy tale portion until high school.
The Irish Flag
GREEN stands for 1) the Gaelic and 2) the Anglo-Norman peoples of Ireland.
ORANGE stands for Protestants of Ireland that were also supporters of William of Orange.
WHITE Stands for "union" and "truce." However, war waged in Ireland in the 20th century between the two factions, bloody and with many deaths. War lasted for 26 years, governments and religious denominations fighting among themselves until 1994. Before that, iun the 1700 - 1800s, England and Ireland fought and Irish persons were hanged for wearing green.
"Why is your tie orange?"
This is what was asked of a particular wiseacre that was new to our high school that year. He liked to do things to attract attention to himself, and other students thought he was playing a similar prank with his tie on March 17.
An incoming junior, he wore an orange tie on St. Patrick's Day and was well known aournd school for being the son of the owner of a large tavern. His family was Irish, his grandparents having emigrated to America.
His answer to the tie question was that in Northern Ireland, the people wore orange as a sign of protest against the rest of Ireland and the Catholic Church. And indeed, the wisacre's family was Lutheran for generations far back. He went on to say that Italians wear red on March 17, instead of green. Students that tried to fact check this statement with teachers and other students of Itallian heritage were disappointed, because nobody seemed to know about wearing red on St. Patrick's Day.
The school librarian also did not save the answer in any of her books and as always, appeared a little disgusted with the question. She always seemed somber and a bit disgusted and we learend later that she was a light-skinned African American and was not permitted by the school administration to admit her heritage to anyone in the school if she wanted to keep her job.
All this nationality prejudice nonsense and oppression added disgust to my own surprise of prejudice as a concept. It was not for two more decades that I would learn that some of my own ancestors moved from England to Ireland and their descendants came to America via Liverpool around 1800 - 1840, never admitting to Americans that they'd ever lived in Ireland. Prejudice was rampant.
When I learned at the same time of my Native American heritiage and how that had been hidden as well, I was doubly disgusted by prejudice and have remained so to this day.
But back to St. Patrick's Day.
Divided Ireland
Green and Orange, Blue and Grey
Some people say today in the 21st century that wearing Orange on St. Patrick's Day is akin to wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood and robe on Martin Luther King Jr's birthday.
Thus, feelings are still running high between the Green and the Orange in some quarters. It reminds me of the Blue and the Grey of the American Civil War, although the South became very creative with their uniforms - some even wore kilts.
To this day, there are some Catholic Irish fathers that check their children's clothing on March 17 in order to determine whether they have the smallest bit of orange on anywhere. This includes shoe laces, hairclips, underwear, everything. Protestants check for grreen. The bad feelings are not over.
As a working adult, I was able to mix the colors on St. Patrick's Day to good effect., as you will see below.
Holiday Promotions
In a chain steakhouse I'd managed, I'd been able to save a hundred pounds of steaks by selling them at a discount of 50¢ on each, rather than to let them expire. District wide, the chain authorities had ordered to many per store for a promition that did not succeed. In light of this victory, I was able to use a little creativity on St. Patrick's day a few weeks later.
Staff wore green pins, badges, and scarves in addtion to their uniforms, we put up some simple decorations of green with a bit of orange, and we died the lemonade green - and sold all of it. it was fun and sales were much hgher than average for the day of the week and the holiday date itself. Decorations had not been used previously.
Future Holidays
A couple of years into the future, we continued the St. Patrick's celebration - lot's of restauarnts held sales promotions on holidays and do so today. The next addition to our holiday was that of green shirts (luckily the whole staff each had one) over the uniform, along with a few more decorations, and Irish music playing in the dining area. It was all fun and the staff enjoyed working that day more than on others.
The most fun was creating a rainbow on the wall out of different shades of green, with an orange pot of gold at the end.
Thus, we used both colors without incident or objection, had fun, and raised sales as well.
Listen to the famous Irish Tenor John McCormack singing in the early 20th century (words below):
The Wearin' o' the Green - Irish Rebellion, 1798
The Wearin' o' the Green (from 1798)
This song was sung in the streets by the Irish to remind one another of their plight.
Oh, Paddy dear, and did you hear the news that's going round?
The shamrock is by law forbid to grow on Irish ground;
Saint Patrick's Day no more we'll keep, his colours can't be seen,
For there's a cruel law against the wearin' o' the green.
I met with Napper Tandy, and he took me by the hand,
And he said "How's poor old Ireland, and how does she stand?"
She's the most distressful country that ever yet was seen;
They're hanging men and women there for wearin' o' the green.
Then since the colour we must wear is England's cruel red,
Sure Ireland's sons will ne'er forget the blood that they have shed;
You may take the shamrock from your hand, and cast it in the sod,
But 'twill take root and flourish there, tho' underfoot 'tis trod.
When law can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow,
And when the leaves in summertime their verdure dare not show,
Then I will change the color that I wear in my caubeen;
But till that day, please God, I'll stick to wearin' o' the green.
But if at last our color should be torn from Ireland's heart,
Her sons, with shame and sorrow, from the dear old isle will part;
I've heard whisper of a country that lies beyond the sea,
Where rich and poor stand equal in the light of freedom's day.
Oh, Erin! Must we leave you, driven by a tyrant's hand?
Must we ask a mother's blessing from a strange and distant land?
Where the cruel cross of England shall never more be seen,
And where, please God, we'll live and die still wearin' o' the green.
According to these lyrics, the color red was ascribed to England. So far, I cannot find a tradition of red in Italy on St. Patrick's Day.
Modern Renditions: "Minstrel Boy" & "Wearin' O' the Green" - Notre Dame Bagpipe Band
Dueling Electric Pipers - Electric Bagpipes
More Irish Potatoes
Here is another recipe with potatoes. I had not known it was Irish until someone informed me of that fact. For another version, stir in some cubes or shreds of your favorite cheese to melt at the end - - Swiss cheese is delicious in this recipe.
Irish Potatoes and Onions
You will need
- 8 medium or 5-6 large potatoes
- 1 bunch of green onions, sliced - all of the white and 1/3 of the greens
- 1/2 Cup milk
- Salt and pepper to taste
- 3 Tablespoons butter
Instructions
- Wash, peel, and boil potatoes in a pot with water to cover until soft.
- In another pot over low heat, simmer onions in milk for 5 minutes.
- Drain potatoes, return them briefly to the heat and stir to evaporate remaining water, and then remove from heat and mash.
- Add the hot milk and onions, salt, pepper and the butter, mix and serve.
Irish Potato Soup
In enjoyed this dish as a child, with in a chunkier version (just skip the blender step below). It's good with or without the nutmeg for another layer of flavor. You can also add cooked crumbled bacon as a garnish at the end, bacon being the original meat served in the dish Corned Beef and Cabbage.
You will need
- 6 medium or 4 large potatoes
- 1 large onion
- 2 oz butter (or olive oil)
- 1 Quart of vegetable stock
- 1 Cup whole milk
- 1 Tablespoon chopped chives
- Nutmeg to taste (optional)
- Salt & pepper to taste
- 1 teaspoon of flour
Instructions
- Wash and peel potatoes and cut into quarters.
- Peel onion, cut in half and slice the halves thuinly.
- Melt butter in a pot and add potatoes and onions; cover and simmer over low heat for 10 minutes. Do not allow onions to brown.
- Add stock, seasonings, and stir. Then cover and bring to boiling over medicum-high heat (keep stirring).
- Reduce heat to low, simmer 30 minutes until vegetables are tender.
- Remove from heat and push through a sieve (or puree in your blender), back into the pot.
- Stir in milk and flour, raise heat and boil (keep stirring).
- Remove soup from burner and serve with garnish of chives.
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Thank you so very much, guidebaba. Many HubMobbers are providing information, so I hope you have a splendid time this week!
Yes Patty, this is what HP is all about.
I love St Patricks Day and all the hoo ha that surrounds it - loved your hubmob particularly the historical information - have you come across information on the balck and tans? they were I believe an Irish fighting unit/battalion..thanks for this.....cheers
Love the historical information!! I knew about the wearing of orange of Protestants in Northern Ireland. My family is from Ireland, but not the North. I think if I wore orange on St. Patty's Day, I might be shot. LOL!! Kidding, but there is definately prejudice amongst Irish in regards to north vs south.
I grew up not knowing what it was all about. Just that it was a day to wear something green. Thank you for all the great information, and the recipe.
An interesting twist on the green theme. It is always fun to learn new things in here.
ajcor - I have heard of th eblack abnd tans, but know very little about them! So now I must learn.
Anna - it's a bit like North and South Korea, maybe worse, isn't it?
Netters - yes, we have to get some real information someplace else besides school sometimes. :)
Princessa - It makes the topics all the more fun and useful, I think. Great job with HubMob, btw!
This conflict has been second only to that in the mideast. Anyone wonder why when the English marched down the streets in Ireland celebrating the day they overtook Ireland, that it would not cause revolting and violence. I may be slow, be this was to the point of stupidness on the English part. But well, George Washington is still a trader in the English's eyes, but he is an American Hero in ours.
I did not know about the green and orange. Knowing about this makes me want to not wear or take part in St. Patty's day anymore.
Keep on Hubbing!
Well, I think that wearing bright red and marching in ranks across a field at an opponenet is pretty stupid as well, so no wonder the Swamp Fox and Geo. Washington were victors in the end, using more effective strategies.
I still enjoy St. Patrick's Day parades and such, but don't wear green to them - or red, certainly.
Nice info. I was unaware of the orange bit, which is a surprise to me. Thanks for the education!
Great hub. I knew about the green, orange, red controversy. I'm Lutheran, and some of my family's from Northern Ireland, but my family wears both green and orange on St. Paddy's, because we're American now and mixed with other cultures as well. Good history lesson.
Great hub. Nice info! Not many people know about the orange. My husband is part orange-irish and thus wears orange on St. Patricks day.
Thanks for all the comments - it's interesting to know what others do on St. Parick's Day - and what's customary and not.
Understand that the English were committing genocide in Ireland. They were moving out the Irish and bring in Scottish people, hence the term "Scots-Irish."
The Black and Tans were basically, a terror squad that the Brits sent into Ireland to try and subdue the rebellion. They killed lots of innocent people women and kids.
To this day, I have run into English people who consider the Irish lazy and shiftless. Nothing much has changed.
Please don't think of this as an "Irish Problem", it is an "English One". If they had just let the people of Ireland live in peace, no of this whould have happened. But as it is, Ireland is still, culturally speaking, occupied land.
I can condone violence, but how would people feel if Iran took over the North East and said that Christianity and Judism were against the law, women had to wear head scarves, and citizens were imprisoned without charge, trial, or legal council. You wouldn't be too happy about it either.
To a free, united Ireland!
Thank you fopr your insights, Joe G.
I am of irish desent in part of my family and when i was growning up i was always told i had to wear green on St Patricks day which l the legion of St Patrick is was that he drove the snakes out of ireland which is more myth than
people know what StPatrick really did was bring cathlic religon to the the displaced germania celts of irealand back in the erally days of ireland
and here is one more fact for those that beleive that celts are irish the truth is the celts came from anicent germany which was called germania that was drive from there home lands by the roman empire under julies ceaser
well later i learn as a teenager that a guy my dad worked with would wear oragne on St Patrick's Day which drove my dad Nuts seeing as her was raised cathilic well later in life as i made my own choice's what to wear i decided that the wearing of oragne on St Patricks Day would my way of tossing my dig in to both religous groups but also if any one does some checking you will find
that long side the irish wearing green on St Paticks Day that the mexicans do as well to Honner the St Patricks brigade that fought long side them agianst
General Sam Houston during the amercian mexican war over the boundary of the usa and mexico so these little facts may better help people understand
this day in history better as for i just like to be conterary to all forms regaurdless the reasons of ones own convitions and if you really want to
support oragne on this day do so but also can be a reminder as well of helen or Troy whom so loved every thing orange as well yet people only whant to wear orange or green hey where is some thing you can do as well why not wear white and just be netural and that way you can be really different
I seem to be wearing Orange and Black today :) I must be hungry for Halloween taffies.
we have a family friend, Irish, and when he does or says somethiing I think is out of line, one of us always pipes up 'well, what do you expect, he's Orange'
Italians wear red in honor of St Joseph's (San Giuseppe) day, which is on the 19th. St Joseph is considered the patron saint of Sicily.
My understanding is that the orange in the Irish tricolor flag does NOT stand for Protestants who were anti-(green) Irish, but stands for those Irish Protestants, mainly of the 18th and 19th centuries, who, by virtue of their power and influence, were the only ones who could effectively lead the movement to create an Irish parliament independent of England. Although their efforts failed, they are considered as heroes by Irish people. These Protestants were English in origin(source of their power), were truly Irish in most aspects and were devoted to the Irish people and their cause. Among the most notable were Henry Grattan, Henry Flood, James Caulfeild, and Charles Parnell. I wear my orange shirt with Irish tricolor with pride.
Thanks for all the new information, because now we know!





















guidebaba says:
9 months ago
My knowledge on St. Patrick's Day is NIL and hence i did not participate on this week's Hubmob but it always great to learn.
Cheers !