SERVANTS OF DEATH
86The Embrace of Debt
SLAVES
You, your children, your parents, their parents, your friends, relatives, acquaintances, and I and mine are all slaves living in the service of a power that that thrives on fear, oppression and wanton slaughter.
There are no excuses. Nothing we say will alter this reality. We are trained to do the bidding of murderous villains and we comply obediently, imagining all the while that we are acting of our own volition.
We have two options. We may stand on the side of life or of death.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" -- Johan Goethe
We all share equally in the responsibility for the abundance of unnecessary, meaningless suffering and death that is the result of human greed. We have all acquiesced to those who insist that wealth, ownership, possessions and profit are more sacred than life itself. We have all conceded that it is good and proper that there should be only two choices: Buy or Die.
We take without restraint or even a minimal concern for the destruction we cause. We give back nothing but wasteland and poison and expect our gluttonous behavior to go on without consequence forever.
What is our excuse for such barbarous behavior?
Is it the will of some god that we should be allowed to foul our own nest without restraint? Are we so special in the eyes of some deranged creator that we are given license to destroy creation? What unspeakably monstrous ego could create such demonic offspring? If, as the cultists would have it, man is indeed the ultimate creation of god, then god is a psychopath of immeasurably violent and destructive demeanor.
For those so cowardly to use some omnipotent, non-existent faerie as an alibi to justify all the evil that we do for our own pleasure, may you be consigned to the hell of your own contrivance.
The complete lack of awareness that dominates our species is eloquent testimony to the abysmal depths of apathy to which we have descended.
Virtually none of us knows or cares one whit for what keeps us alive. We are ignorant. We don’t think about where our food comes from. We don’t care about the source of our clothing or shelter. Water, which we must have to live, is just something that comes from the tap. More likely today, it comes from the shelf in WalMart since we have been convinced that the only potable water remaining must be purchased from those who poisoned it in the first place. The very air we breathe is just something that has always been here and therefore always will be. We want what we want and we want it now and we don't care how we get it.
We are disconnected from the things with which we should be most intimately involved.
The resources and biosystems of Earth, which are the very essence of our lives, are things about which we know little or nothing. We have surrendered our fate, our very ability to survive, to people who care for nothing but profit.
We have offered up our lives, and those of our children, and theirs, to a machine that cares not one whit whether we live or die. It is a machine that will turn all its energies to finding better ways to assure our death if that is deemed more profitable.
There is a parasite living upon the vitality of the human race. It was born of our compassion, our desire to share and to help the members of our family. It has been sucking the life from the human species for centuries. Long ago, those who lacked the ability or desire to contribute to the general well-being realized that deception could be substituted for participation. Thanks to our innate tendency to cooperate, to help each other, we have allowed, even encouraged, a parasitic, useless and counter-productive group of individuals to gain control over nearly every aspect of our lives.
We are slaves who gleefully pay for the privilege of enslavement and respond to our masters with gratitude, admiration and even idolization.
Millions upon millions of good, honest, hard working human beings have become the chattel of a few thousand worthless parasites. The supremacists make no contribution to humanity. They only take and give nothing. They create oppression and suffering while demanding tribute, and obedience in return.
Those who are forced to steal pennies and dimes or a slice of bread to survive are vilified, imprisoned, tortured and killed by those who steal and swindle trillions, the resources of entire countries and murder millions.
This is the New World Order.
By the way, I didn't make up that phrase. Our beloved "leaders" have been using it for a long time.PrintShare it! — Rate it: up down flag this hub
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If,I'm not mistaken didn't jesus make the comment that If,a fig tree did not produce good fruit that it should be uprooted and thrown into the sea,and that you can't get fruit from a vine that only produced thisles ;he was referring to people when he made these comments as an allegory to what he ment. Just as a gardner uses his skill when he grows hybrid plants that meet his needs,so to God made so many different races of men in order for them to eventually intermarry and create a race that had all the good characteristics of men and none of the bad ones?
It seems to me that in so doing ,the opposite would all happen ,where a race could result that had all of mans bad characteristics.
In further defense of the omni-potent fairie many believers view the attempts by man to remake the world as great blasphemies. The only thing that ever angered the Jesus was the money changers in the temple. Those profiting from the faithful (fiscally or by influence) are the ones that really anger the lord and they will reap it. I still need to get a hold of a copy of the teachings of Jesus Christ by Thomas Jefferson.
As for me I am going into the urban wilderness with naught but a gym membership, a library card, a bus pass, a tarp, a ruck, a hammock, and assorted mobile personal effects and assets. You get the idea.
CWB,
Great Work, and to truly combat our masters, yes we must withdraw from this system in mass and in a hurry. Only then will we be able to achieve balance again.
TMG
I doubt it matters much any more eovery. We're just repeating the same idiotic cycle that we've stuck in for millennia.
I don't much care what anyone said at this point someonewhoknows.
And your whole statement falls apart as soon as you talk about "many different races". There is only one race of humans and that is Homo sapiens.
Every human now living or that has ever lived sprang from the same parents. Whether you believe they were adam and eve or prehistoric hominids in africa is irrelevant.
There are only minor ethnic and superficial physical differences between all members of our species.
We are one family. The sooner we learn that, the better the chances for our survival.
Well Horatio, I think we're all going to need to learn to be a lot more independent. The centralized systems are collapsing. Local communities will have to work together to survive.
Yes TMG, if enough people turned their backs on this system and just refused to participate any more it would throw quite a monkey wrench into the machine.
So I am doing my part by doing nothing? Outstanding!
True and factual, I will just repeat after you: We are ignorant... Actually, I guess we are masochists that we destroy ourselves and we really like it! Furthermore, we kiss the hand that killed us in the first place!!! CWB, I can say no more...
Yes, I think we all have an obligation to 1) boycott corporate products to the degree that we are able, 2) refuse corporate work, 3) default on usurious debt immediately, 4) make noise, 5) stick together. If we keep behaving like sheep we'll end up on someone's dinner table.
Fact is CWB that folk plain are not interested, the sheeple have been simmering in the NWO kettle for so long they will slip into a slumbering death without a whimper. Before you blame religion totally (and I agree with you that most religionists have milked the people most of the time) there is another thing to consider.
Approx 25% of the world consider themselves Christians, in reality about 10% of them (thats 10% 0f the 25% i.e. 2.5%) are actually disciples of Christ, the rest are insurance paying pew warmers hoping for a better seat on the bus to heaven. If Christianity is correct (and Christ is the only man who ever said He was the ONLY way to God) then 75% of the world at least are having empty conversations with nothing when they pray.
I kinda think it's the majority of people who deny Lucifer's existence, but support him by their actions that cause the problem.
If it's true that we get the government we deserve, then I guess the NWO and Illuminati are laughing all the way to the Age of Aquarius and we can all wait quietly for a organised culling of the species. Kissinger said in 1964, to the UN (who agreed) that the ideal populace for the world was 500,000,000 people, so I ask; What do they intend for the other 5.5 billion who are surplas?
Great hub, keep em coming!
It all depends upon the quality of the nothing you're doing Horatio.
It's easy to do vast amounts of low grade nothing. It's that really high grade, unique and creative nothing that we really need.
The horror, the horror... kill all the brutes.
Even when I do nothing it's still high performance Gonzo Nothing. Have no fear of that. I plan to write the President about every Cannabis crime I commit thus making him an accessory to my continued non-violent crime wave... the Joker has spoken.
Well shamelabboush, this has been the cycle of history as far back as we can follow it. It's a cycle we seem to be incapable of breaking.
A few supremacists, for reasons as yet unclear, are able to scam the vast majority of the population for long periods of time. Even though they make no useful contribution to their society, they manage to secure all wealth and power for an ever smaller group while simultaneously stripping their workers of human and personal rights. Somehow, even as living conditions deteriorate, they manage to wrest obedience and occasionally even worship from those they oppress. Inexplicably, a small minority is able to hold vast numbers of people in fear and subservience. As the process goes forward, life for the rest of the population becomes increasingly intolerable. It's almost a mathematical formula. Oppression increases exponentially to the steady decrease in the number of individuals possessing wealth and power. Finally the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of changing and the slave class, responding like a wounded, cornered animal, strikes out at its tormentor. There is a bloody rebellion resulting in wide spread death and destruction. The leaders of the revolution take control of the shattered remains of the society and the whole cycle begins again.
It looks to me as if something similar is about to happen on a global scale for the first time. The results should be interesting for anyone who remains after the dust finally settles.
The details vary of course, but everywhere and whenever a small cadre of supremacists succeeds in concentrating all the wealth and power into a few hands, the results are the same. It doesn't matter whether they call themselves communists, socialists, anarchists, libertarians, capitalists or whatever. They are supremacists in the final analysis and their ideology always leads to oppression and death.
And we, the people, are always their enablers.
That sums it up pretty well pgrundy.
aguasilver.
I think, from our previous exchanges, that you understand my position regarding religion. We have basically agreed to disagree and I'd rather not spoil our tenuous alliance with pointless debates.
I certainly don't blame religion for "everything". I do consider it a major source of conflict and hostility however.
As far as culling the population is concerned, it's happening as we type. Does it strike anyone other than me as odd that, knowing what's at stake, all the "industrialized" nations, those following the amerikan example, are totally obstructing progress on addressing global change? I purposely leave out the word climate because much more than the climate will be changing. Millions are starving daily. Millions are dying of treatable diseases. Millions more will soon be dying when potable water becomes unavailable to them and water wars break out.
The supremacists believe that they can remain safe, in the lap of luxury, while the bulk of humanity struggles daily to survive in an environment growing ever more hostile. They are sure, because they hold all the wealth and power, that they can buy the needed protection, both military and technological, to allow them to continue to live in opulence while the "common" people starve, die and kill each other for a scrap of food and a sip of water. When the numbers of the savages have been sufficiently reduced to an easily maintained and controlled population of slaves, the supremacists will have achieved their version of paradise.
Horatio, he's already complicit in so many heinous crimes that I doubt he'll be much concerned with your contributions.
Coldwarbaby I'm not as sure as you seem to be that there are only minor physical differences between us.The major difference is how we think as humans and how we choose to use our brains in our daily relationships with eachother.
As for Adam and eve being the first humans that is an allegory ment to give us a simple impression of the last big change in the genetic makeup of the human race,but that does not mean that humans that live in difference areas of the earth don't have genetic differences as a result of the different climates and altitudes such as mountains and valleys ,cold ,and hot continents that they lived in,as well as what the different foods they ate.Those who lived in coastal areas ate more sea food ,which has all of the minerals that sea water provides.Where as those who lived in high altitudes have adapted to the lower oxygen content and those who lived in equatorial latitudes developed dark skin as a result of being exposed to so much solar radiation.Then there are specific gentic diseases that are related to a particular race living these many different areas.Even though all people have the same potential ,their environment influences their traditions and way of thinking.
Yes but there is difference between committing your own crimes and having some gas happy clown paint your name with his crimes. A difference between the 'decisions a President must make' and scandal. I leave you to draw the conclusions about the state of mankind vis a vis the fact that a President getting heckled by a drug pusher could actually be more damaging for him then silently or actively supporting outright atrocities.
Horatio Baccus - It, may be more damaging to him than something he does without the publics knowledge ,but the reasoning behind his covert decisions could be even more damaging if it's found out by the public and found to be unacceptable and accusations are just that,without proof.
CWB tenuous our alliance may be, but that's the point, we are united against a common enemy.
You see the sleazeballs who have risen to the top of the cesspit and taken control, I see the spiritual sleazeball behind them, but as long as we are ALL opposing them, exposing them, harrassing them and most importantly making people THINK about the why and how these things happen, thats good.
Of course they'll try to kill you and me, but so what?
How true, CWB - and yet, we do nothing because we are conditioned not to! Will we stir ourselves and move out of the system? We'll always have some reason or the other not to! What we need is a John Galt to fire is up and show us that there can be an alternative.
It’s frustrating, but many people just want to go with the flow it seems. What infuriates some people is acceptable to others. Some want stability at all costs; others want equity at all costs; others want you to shut up while they’re watching the ball game - or soap opera. That lack of unity is at the root of the problem; when people unite, tyranny recoils - for a while. Then that unity starts to drift back into tyranny.
However, there are moments in history when some credence goes to the prophets and revolutionaries. So keep hubbing.
You need further research someonewhoknows.
How we use our brains has little to do with our genetic makeup aside from the chemical and electrical processes involved. The physical structure and function of the human brain is virtually identical across the species. The environment that we grow up in and the people we learn from are the things that form our cultural identity. While there are recessive genes that may give some individuals a predisposition toward specific aberrant behaviors, these are minor deviations that are not dominant in the species. The different ways in which various cultures "think" is a matter of training, not a genetic imperative. Actually, we all think using the very same processes. You are confusing cognition with ideological conditioning.
There is nothing allegorical about the fact that there is only one race of Homo sapiens with a common ancestry. What I said in my first reply is considered a simple, current, scientific fact. If new discoveries are made which prove this conclusion to be erroneous, the necessary adjustments will be made throughout all relevant scientific fields and learning will continue within the new paradigm. Until such contrary evidence is forthcoming, the fact remains that we are all of a single race, period, end of discussion. However, all things are subject to change in an emergent universe.
To say that all people have the same potential is painting with far too broad a brushstroke. Potential for what? We all have the same potential as essential human beings and in that regard we are all equal. We are all members of a single family. That is the most important potential to consider, since it necessitates that we treat each other with love, compassion, tolerance and understanding. However, to imagine that a woman, five feet, three inches tall, weighing one hundred ten pounds has the same potential for a position on the defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as a man, six feet, eight inches tall, weighing three hundred forty five pounds could be considered a conclusion based on inadequate knowledge of the subject at hand.
Thanks for stopping by and offering your opinion.
That's assuming anyone who "matters" ever becomes aware of said heckling Horatio.
aquasilver, on this much we can certainly agree and that is a fine thing. Family members can often disagree but, if they are truly family, they can always work things out.
I was never able to struggle through Atlas Shrugged Shalini. I started it a couple of times. I have a copy. I think I'll give it another chance. One must take all data as an opportunity to learn something.
Back in the sixties, when I was coming up, there was an emergent counter-culture. It was smothered while it slept after the end of the vietnam war. The only way a bloodless revolution can succeed at this point would be for a truly vast majority to simply opt out of the system and start living together like human beings. There are stirrings. Will there be enough? One can only hope.
It's a lack of conviviality amillar.
It's allowing those who seek dominance to keep us focused on our differences rather than rejoicing in our sameness. We are all uniquely alike.
The problem we've always had with our unity is its inexplicable transience. We have seen throughout history that the best times are those when we are united. Yet the respite from tyranny, as you correctly note, is always fleeting. It is a wheel that continues to roll, on the same bloody road, era after era, always with the same result.
Thank you by the way, for implying as you seem to, that I might be thought of by anyone at all as either profit or revolutionary. As unlikely as the prospect is, I would be happy and proud to be remembered by a few as either.
Read your Rand and stick with it, I was a Randite way before I became a Christian, and like you am a child of the sixties, though we missed Vietnam in the UK (thank God).
To live up to your title, you need to be OPEN to all concepts.
I don't think it's so much whether there could be a mass withdrawal from the system, more likely that the system is withdrawn from the masses, and then the NWO will allow total chaos to reign for long enough to cause total civil unrest and at that point, when most of the sheeple are screaming 'Give us order' the NWO will present their 'plan' whereupon by swearing allegiance to 'them' you can get state aid.
You will probably be required to take a number that encompasses your entire relationship with them' and it's liable to be a biometric or RDFI implant.
And hey presto, the NWO will be here, and the only people outside it will be the 'dissidents' who will be termed 'outlaws' and/or 'terrorists' (because a lot of those non pacifist 'good ole boys' will bring their arms to the table) and whammo, you and I can be summarily executed or 'disappeared' on the spot, wherever the AC Police find us.
Cheering ain't it!
Think I'll continue living under Psalm 91!
.....also think I see another hub forming!
CWB, this is so bleak, yet I can see where you're coming from. Problem is that most people live their lives, and never trouble themselves to contemplate what goes on outside their own particular bubble. Thought begets action, and if there is no thought, there will be no action.
Hi CWB, just found this hub, where hubber is doing just what is needed to get out... take a look!
http://hubpages.com/hub/lifeoffthegrid
...and no it's not mine!
One day I took pause, I looked around and found that my life was contained by a 4am rising, preparation for the day and a drive in 8 lanes of bumper to bumper enraged drivers only to arrive at a job I really didn't care for any longer. For 10 hours I'd toe the line and then it was back to the traffic and drive to the house. It culminated in either fast food or a simple microwave prepared meal a shower and off to bed. Only to rise again and repeat. My life consisted of a roof, a job, a recliner, shower and bed, not to leave out the vehicle and drive.
After much thought and prayer, and foot work, I decided to quit.
Now most days I don't know what day it is or what time it is with out checking, life is good.
This hub reminded me of why I am what and where I am. It also made me question if unplugging this computer and shooting it with my double barrel might be a good idea. It brings me to good interaction with people who I would not normally ever meet, then again it brings me to this sadness.
I hope your day is as good as mine.
I'm not sure what "title" you're referring to aguasilver.
I'm certainly open to the consideration of any concept. However, whether or not I will agree with it upon evaluation is another matter entirely.
"There are many doctrines of a less essential nature ... In these we may think and let think; we may 'agree to disagree.' John Wesely, 1770
Yes Amanda, it is very bleak. And so it goes. Bleak is the current state of our world and I'm simply trying to make people look at the reality of it.
As you say, "Thought begets action, and if there is no thought, there will be no action."
So, let's try to get people thinking. Most times I feel like it's an exercise in futility but, I just can't seem to give it up.
Coldwarbaby -- I think you may have misunderstood what said concerning genetics and people living for long periods of time in different areas of the world.My contention is that diet and enviroment factors can have positive or negative genetic influences on a person or group of people,which includes the brain functioning as well as the general health of the body and it's genetic expression.As for Adam and Eve.You are refering to the first woman with the genetic traits that had children with a man from an inferior genetic backround when your talking about science.In western religous teaching Eve came from Adams rib.That could be interpeted as genetic engineering as well.
Thanks for the link aguasilver. I just finished reading. Since you linked him back to me, I'll say more in my response to his comment.
Thank you for taking time to read 50 Caliber. The solution you have found for yourself and the courage it took to make it happen are incredibly admirable. I salute you. Of course, and I'm sure you'll be the first to acknowledge, it won't be the answer for everyone. But the basic idea is certainly applicable to small communities and even large villages. As I've said elsewhere, I'm hopeful that enough people will simply stop participating in the system that finally sent you home. We need to start living and working together as human beings.
You said, "I found it quite sad that one could find no relief from their condition in life when it is there but for the asking."
My writing is not particularly biographical or self-descriptive. The condition I lament is not just my own. It is the disease of greed that has spread suffering all around the world. I cannot divorce myself from the agony of others. I won't turn my back on the world and don't have anything even approaching the resources needed to do what you have done. You are leading by example and I honor you for so doing. I have only my words for now and, for better or worse, I will use them as best I am able.
The factors you're referring to, someonewhoknows, don't really impact the genetic structure of a society unless they are continuous over thousands of years. If a culture survives under particular conditions long enough, they will pass on the characteristics that have been responsible for their survival. Over the short term, these factors, while not genetic characteristics, can have positive or negative effects anywhere in the world. People who are malnourished in utero and during early childhood may very well display impaired cognitive ability and many other negative outcomes. However, these traits, being anti-survival, will not be passed on to future generations genetically. They are simply health problems, not genetic traits. They can and do occur just as easily in every major city of the richest country in the world as in the most poverty stricken nation in africa. The general health and brain functioning, in these instances, are NOT expressions of genetic differences. They are the result of degraded environmental conditions, many of which are caused by the blind lust for profit being spread by kapitalist globalization.
However interesting and informative this exchange may be, the fact remains that, despite any miniscule genetic variations that may have sprung from evolving in different environmental extremes, there is only one race of humans inhabiting Earth. To suggest that two people are of different races because they display different types of problem solving skills or use different methods of agriculture is as absurd as suggesting that people with green eyes belong to a race separate from those having blue.
Regarding the biblical mythology, there is no information available pertaining to the genetics of Adam or Eve since there is no actual evidence of their existence. Since, according to western fundamentalism, they lived only a few thousand years ago, this lack of physical evidence is somewhat puzzling. I like the genetic engineering slant on the Adams rib thing. It puts a bit of a humorous twist on the story.
And yet we have been able to survive for all these years. And will continue to survive. All of these aspects have always existed through all civilization and time. As they evolve and are terminated, life goes on.
As a Christian I see that the knowledge of these help to us to learn the difference of right and wrong, even though we may not comprehend it, but as we pass on from the life into the eternities, and into resurrection, we will know and can choose right or wrong, and be prepared for it, because we experienced it and learned from it.
Keep on Hubbing!
All these years eovery? We are less than a blip on the geological time-line of even Earth, let alone that of the universe.
These aspects have not existed through all time. They are primarily anthropomorphic in nature and humans have existed for only the most infinitesimally small fraction of time. As far as civilization is concerned, none has yet been achieved.
Alas, your last paragraph degenerates into proselytism which tends to nullify what little relevance it possesses.
Thanks for continuing to offer your thoughts in any case.
CWB, I just found you on one of Allthingsconsidered's hubs - I find your profile fasinating and I think this hub hits the mark in many ways! I agree we are unconscious slaves tied to a sytem that is killing us! Kartika
Hi Coldwar:
EXCELLENT!
I must use YOUR words to express my feelings about this powerfully expressed "Hub:" "It would seem we are fellow travelers in many ways."
I once thought I stood, freakishly alone. I was made to feel like a genetically aberrant individual in ref to my thoughts and philosophy. I have felt like "Quasimodo" looking into the eyes of the stone gargoyle and saying: "Why was I not made of stone such as thee?"
I read your dynamic words and "know" that there are others who, in-the-main, share my logic and reasoning! Hallalujah! Hope is alive.......but, unfortunately, not well! We exist as the minority!
May the "Force" be with us!
Qwark
And because you found me, I found you kartika. And so, you have a new fan.
Thank you for adding your voice here. Although I think we're in the majority, it's the fanatics who scream the loudest.
I don't know Qwark. I think the majority of people really want the same things.
They may not look quite so deeply or critically into the darkness beneath the bed as you or I but, on the whole, I think most of us are on the same side.
The psychopaths, though their numbers seem to be growing slightly, are still only about six percent of the population.
Check this out: http://ponerology.com/
"There are many doctrines of a less essential nature ... In these we may think and let think; we may 'agree to disagree.' John Wesely, 1770
You know Wesley basically got thrown out of America in 1745(ish) for being a pain in the butt.. I guess you all keep to the policy!
I read his diary, written a mere 50 or so years after the King James was published, he was regarded as a heretic by the Anglican church that he never left.
If he returned to visit a modern Methodist church, he would be shocked and probably ashamed to have his name associated with what they have made it.
Religion is far from perfect, but then I am not into churchianity any more than you are.
I may well disagree with most of what Mr. Wesley has to say. Nonetheless, I most heartily agree with the concept of the quote.
Me too. Though I probably disagree with less of Wesley than you do! - and we probably concur on his modern church version.
I don't have much use for any church, and by church I mean religion, ancient or modern, but that's just me. You could believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and I in the Sacred Frog of the Gaseous Swamp. That shouldn't stop us helping each other to survive as human beings if the occasion presents itself.
Hi coldWar:
Thanks for the "suggested reading."
Lobaczewski's "ponerology and pathocracy" is interesting but hardly original thought.
The Most poignant of his concepts is in the "genesis" of both, i.e. "ignorance."
To realize why man is what he is, one must study the history and evolution of the human species from it's beginning and movement away from ancient hominids about 3 - 4 million years ago, to it's eventual rise to becoming a "conscious" social mammal.
The word "evil," is relative and relates only to Homo/sapiens. The concept does not exist in the ancillary world of life.
"Psychopathy" is a natural result of "consciousness." In all animal life, there is an "alpha" entity. The unique anomaly "consciousness" has created within the genetic, social, evolution of the human species a more complicated, wily and demonstratively psychopathic drive for domination and control.
Because we are "incipient" and immature and have risen so rapidly in becoming the most potent and deadly life on the planet, the "ignorance," Lobaczewski refers to, may be that facet of our evolution that will prove to be the perpetrator of our eventual failure.
There is nothing new under the sun...only interpretations abound.
Thanks.
Qwark
Qwark
I think it probable that there is a recessive gene responsible for the psychopathic nature presenting in a small minority of humanity. If a population consisting of only psychopathic individuals was isolated and required to survive without "normal" humans to support them, it is highly unlikely they would be able to do so. I have held this belief independently for a long time. Only recently have I become aware that there is relatively new research indicating that genetic causality is indeed the case. I did a hub on the subject some time ago. I can't recall its title.
Much of the ignorance extant in humanity is not naturally occurring but rather manufactured by the very psychopathic faction we're discussing. Today they call it marketing, spin, news media or even education. All brands of theism are responsible for an abundance of ignorance in the world. I think inquisitiveness is very much a strong, natural human characteristic. The supremacists learned early on that it is in their best interest to suppress that trait as completely as possible in the general population. They nurture it in a number of "scientists" sufficient to keep the species from stagnating, which is surely what would happen were the curiosity factor taken completely out of the equation. I feel that the intentional suppression or obstruction of the creative, inventive impulse is one of the factors that have impaired our evolutionary progress.
Anything I don’t know is something new under the sun until I become aware of it.
Coldwarbaby have you considered that civilizations have existed on earth within the past 70,000 years and traces still exist here and there all over the earth and in the worlds oceans as a result of plate movement over the centuries and that had individuals even more inventive and creative than we have today,but their cultures emotional advancement as a whole has not kept up with their scientific advancement and that this flaw in their emotional nature was in large part the cause of their demise.Could it be a lack of sympathy for others and selfishness in the extreme and a lack of coperation as a species much like what we have now resulting in those who have enough being given more and those who don't have enough losing even what they have or could it be just an emotional flaw brought about by a lack of incentive of one group that even though they had everything they could want as far as their material comfort is concerned were simply prone to being manipulated mentally by those who were power hungry and were told that if they gave up their individuality to their spiritual leaders control then God would provide for their needs without any work on their part as opposed by those who saw this as foolishness ,and that there was not the least possibility of this being the case.Knowledge being the difference between the two groups.Not just material knowlege ,but spiritual knowledge as well.I've often wondered what the possible meanings in the revealations text of the bible mean't with the words "Those who have will be given more ,and those who have not will lose even what they have".
I have come up with at least two possibilities.
In a material sense
1. Those who have enough will be given more ,could mean "The Rich" or Those who have more than they need and still want more.
2. Those people who lost their homes as a result of a lack of knowlege on their part greed on the part of those who know better.
those who knew better.
In a spiritual sense
1. Those who have spritual knowledge being given more spiritual knowlege
2. Those who have little or no spiritual knowlege losing even that little that they have.
Hi ColdWar;
Your quote:
"Much of the ignorance extant in humanity is not naturally occurring but rather manufactured by the very psychopathic faction we're discussing."
I disagree. Ignorance is naturally occuring and the "psychopathic faction," is just part and parcel of tortuous, capricious evolution.
We are an infant species exuberantly involved in the processes of our evolution. As such, as with any "newborn," it takes time to learn and progress. If we last long enuf to "mature," we will, eventually, recognize how primitively we have approached life and will make the necessary adjustments to satisfy mother "Gaia's" demands as they refer to survival.
There are myriad reasons why we may never reach the level of conscious life required to guarantee the viability of human life.
We "know" so little and pugnaciously resist our true savior: "logic and reason."
Qwark
Someonewhoknows:
Your name is a misnomer!
It should be "someonewhoisconfusedbutthinksheknows"
As I read your comment,I was amazed and dumbfounded. You propound guess and opinion as truth and do it publicly!
If I were you, I'd be embarrassed to read my misguided thoughts in print....:-)
All I can say is WOW!
Qwark
someonewhoknows
Your observation regarding "emotional advancement" is cogent. The fact is that, for the most part, we as a species are still at the same "emotional" level as the fallen empires you allude to. We continue to hold to the mores and attitudes of past ages while our technology races into the future at breakneck speed.
It seems possible, even likely, that we have chosen the principles of the wrong ages to carry forward. We should have retained the ability of our more ancient ancestors to live and work in harmony with the laws of nature. Had we kept and blended those capabilities with our inventive prowess, I think we would be living in a much more pleasant world.
As to your analysis of revelations,
"For to those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away."
This is a reference to ignorance. Jesus explains thusly, “seeing they do not perceive, and hearing they do not listen, nor do they understand.”
Some people, being blinded by indoctrination, refuse to see reality even though it is before their eyes. Likewise, being deafened to any word that does not conform to what they have been trained to believe, they are unable to recognize the truth when they hear it.
Sounds to me like an admonition to think for ones self lest the ability to do so be taken away completely.
And you are, of course, free to do so Qwark.
As you say, quite correctly, it takes time to learn. The psychopaths make it their business to ensure that we learn only what is to their advantage and are kept ignorant of all else. Obviously they can't be completely successful in this effort but they seem to be doing a damn good job!
Qwark -- I find that amusing "someonewhoisconfusedbutthinksheknows"
I'm not sure if you know what you just wrote can refer to a man or a woman?
Coldwarbaby -- So I take it you don't think that the wallstreet banksters have been taking unfair advantage of the people as a whole by charging interest on the amount of a loan ,rather than a flat fee? After all they are the ones who created inflation in the first place.
As for those others who knowingly try to scam the system ,like welfare recipients and the ,which seems to include big business, they should be seen for what they are as well spiritually corrupt.
someonewhoknows
I don't know how you got from my last comment to what you say here. I have written several hubs regarding economics and usury. If you had read and understood any of them you wouldn't be asking that question.
Charging ANY interest whatsoever is usury. Even your bible, especially the older editions, states this unequivocally. Neither is there any reason to charge any fee. Money is a fiat of law, not a commodity and should NEVER be controlled by private interests. Currency and the economy must be created and controlled by the people, through the agency of the government, in an open and completely transparent process.
You're partly correct about inflation. It is created by the federal reserve bank, among others. The so-called "business cycle" of bust and boom is completely artificial and is created by the bankers who control the world's economy.
Not all welfare recipients are "scamming" the system. Many, those who are collecting their social security and those who are actually disabled for example, are simply receiving the payments they are entitled to. They worked and paid into the system their entire lives. They are merely making withdrawals from a savings account the government has been holding for them. I count myself among this group. This is as it should be. It is the obligation of a civil society to care for those members who are unable to care for themselves. Please reread that sentence and comprehend it fully before you start ranting about lazy people who don't want to word, etc. There's one word in there that makes all the difference.
Spirituality is a completely subjective concept. No one has any right to dictate what it should mean to me or anyone else.
I find it interesting that you make no mention of my interpretation of the scripture you alluded to. I hope my version does not offend.
Coldwarbaby---- I understand your point about someone deserving of getting more as reasonable.Even a farmer expects more from the seed he plants.But,if he doesn't save at least ten percent for next years crop he won't be farming much longer.I also agree with the idea that our monitary system should be controled by the government and that responability retained and not given away by congress to some other authority as has happened with our system.
You should have read my comment about welfare recipients in the context in which it was written ,and not misinterpeted it as you have.Then again,I know we are all getting older and hopefully wiser.
I don't see how you can say anyone who knows that what they are doing isn't right or fair to others,who are in need (which is somehow subjective in your mind) are morally and spiritually corrupt.I never said "all" recipients obviously I was refering the ones who are intentionally lying and who don't really need help.
I don't think your understanding me here someonewhoknows. We are in agreement on many points but have some philosophical and conceptual differences. As a result we are bickering needlessly over semantics. You have a tendency to allow your "spiritual" bent to color your interpretation of everything, which sometimes makes it a bit tricky for me to clarify a point for you. Since my view is purely secular and I express things that have no spiritual content whatever, your attempt to interpret them with a spiritual slant will lead us to misunderstanding. I'm sure the reverse may occur when I respond to some of your spiritual comments.
With your reference to "getting more", I'm guessing you're talking about the biblical passage. If that is indeed the case, let me try again. In this instance, Jesus was asked why he spoke so often in parables. The line you have quoted is part of his response but is preceded by the following. "The reason I speak to them in parables is that seeing they do not perceive, and hearing they do not listen, nor do they understand.” The author of this material, whomever that may be, is not referring to material things when saying, "For to those who have, more will be given, and they will have an abundance; but from those who have nothing, even what they have will be taken away." This is a reference to knowledge, information and awareness.
I only said matters of spirituality are subjective. As far as I'm concerned, morality and spirituality are not necessarily related. Both very good and very evil people believe in the afterlife. The same may apply to having "team spirit". These are two very different aspects of the spirit concept but, as you can see, in neither case does belief or lack thereof define the morality of the individual. Spirit is a hard thing to define and doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. For many, when it's used in the religious or supernatural sense, it's completely irrelevant. In any case, both good and bad people may share belief in spirits of one sort or another.
Once again, regarding welfare recipients, our miscommunication is more a grammatical problem than a disagreement. Your statement seemed very broad and read like stereotyping. It's a difficult problem and I' m guilty of it myself when it comes to "kapitalists". That’s one of the reasons I've adopted that spelling to indicate the specific type of individual I'm referring to. I know there are some people who think of themselves as "capitalists" who aren't morally bankrupt or psychopathic. They aren't real "kapitalists". They're just misguided wannabes. Read Jim Bryans hub about it. It's very informative. http://hubpages.com/hub/Are-you-a-Capitalist
You might also find this one amusing and thought provoking:
http://tabacco.blog-city.com/take_the_19_question_
Anyone who willfully does harm to others, especially for profit, is not simply corrupt. Such people are psychopathic and should be isolated from the rest of society until their condition can be treated successfully. The vast majority of our "leaders"(read rulers) fall into this category. That includes leaders of state, industry and church.
Communicating in written words is sometimes more difficult than speaking face to face. Grammar, syntax and sentence structure can confuse as easily as inform. I'll endeavor to provide more clarity in our future exchanges.
Hi Someonewhoknows:
Let me break your "should be" name down for you: "Someone who is confused but thinks he knows"
Not really too hard to figure out if one reads with care.
... :-)
Qwark
Hi ColdWar:
In ref to the thoughts expressed by "believers" and the "secular," "NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET."
Regardless of your indubitable talent at providing "clarity," thou shalt never overcome the programmed bigotry of a believer in supernatural divinities.
The Qwark hath spaketh....lol :-)
I agree Qwark. When a "believer" has completely closed her/his mind, there is no hope of reconciliation. I don't, however, believe that someonewhoknows has reached that extreme quite yet. That's why I am compelled to take the time to engage in these lengthy discussions. If I can find common ground with anyone, even if we can only achieve the ability to agree to disagree without animosity, as you and I do so easily, I feel that my time is not wasted.
See my exchanges with ledefensetech. As annoying as his obstinacy is, I still feel there is a shred of hope he has not yet become a kapitalist fundamentalist. Perhaps at some point, something I say may cause a light to come on and critical thinking will ensue. Until I am convinced there is utterly no possibility of this occurring, I will continue to campaign.
Your perception is very profound. It is also very real. You are being awakened. This is a good thing. With awakening comes understanding and then, solutions.
In regard to this statement: "What unspeakably monstrous ego could create such demonic offspring? If, as the cultists would have it, man is indeed the ultimate creation of god, then god is a psychopath of immeasurably violent and destructive demeanor."
My answer, and also the way to the solution, is this: God did not create evil. He is not responsible for it. Satan is. The reason there is so much evil, and why people are so uncaring, so selfish, and so greedy, is because they have rejected God. God is love. Therefore, they have rejected the principles of love. This is where they are taken over by evil, and can do only more and more evil. To themselves, to others, and to their surroundings.
From what I have read of yours, I gather that you are not a religious person. You don't have to be. You don't have to necessarily believe in a certain religion. But I am sure you understand that there is a higher power, and this higher power is LOVE. Call it what you like. All people have the freedom to choose which path they prefer to follow, whether good or evil. The path of evil is unnatural and harmful to humans - it only ends in destruction.
Like 50 Caliber says on one of his articles, the one about being a hermit: "The path is narrow"...
The path is to decide once and for all that the right way is the one of love. And to eschew the greed-driven, power-hungry, corrupt system that is enslaving all of us.
By this I mean, become self-sufficient, live off the grid (your own well, solar/wind energy, sustainable housing, vegetarian, grow your own food, etc), help others, live a simple life, adopt earth and animal-friendly practices, eat healthy organic foods, and learn survival skills. You don't necessarily have to be a hermit - maybe this could be communal living.
I am working towards it. I hope I make it. I will be posting some of my articles about living off the grid. And how to do it very cheaply. I hope you make it, too.
The first step is really SEEING the reality of what is around you, I think. Most people do not even get that far. And then making the choice, and acting on it. It is all in the way you look at things.
So I think you will make it.
We don't NEED American Idol, McDonalds, credit cards, the latest gadgets, and SUV's. What we need is to stop depending on this corrupt, failing system before it fails us, and get back to the land, and learn how to survive.
Hello MagicStarER.
Thank you. I appreciate the time you have taken to offer your thoughts. Since I am much in agreement with what you say, there is no need for me to respond at any great length. As you are already aware, our point of departure is religion. But, since you so clearly and wisely state your acceptance of free will, there is no need for this to be a point of contention. You make it very easy to achieve mutual respect and understanding when you eliminate all the externalities by acknowledging that the real answer is Love. No other categorizations are required.
Thanks for answering my comment, CWB - I really respect your level-headedness and rationality. There is no reason for people to argue or resort to attacking each other if they do not share the same beliefs. And you are one of the few who realize that. I admire you tremendously. If only everyone could be like this!
eovery says:
3 weeks ago
So what do you suggest we do? You make a point, I think, but what is the answer? Yes there are a lot of elitist and rich that control a lot. Do we all go back of growing our own gardens and food. Quit work, become hermits and become self supportant. Take our kids out of public schools and home school? What is the answer?
Keep on Hubbing!