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CAR BUYING TIPS FROM A FORMER CAR SALESMAN!

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By chloesdad

A few things you should know first...

I have sold new cars and also worked for a used car dealership and I definitely have some handy knowledge for you!

 

 

 

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sherlynavia  says:
14 months ago

Very interesting! Great secrets that we haven't known till now. Thanks for the hub.

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Stacie L  says:
13 months ago

these are good tips. I hate buying a new car,though! ;=)

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Fishin' Cricket  says:
7 months ago

Interesting hub, I like your overall sentiment of not scaring the customer, but trying to inform them of the best way to make a deal. Definition of a "good deal"? When both parties walk away happy, getting what each wants, with as little hassle as possible.

A few things, from my perspective (6 years as salesman and two as finance manager at a Franchise store)

You said: "We've all dealt with the salesperson that pounces right away when you get out of your car and just won't go away. They are likely only doing this under strict orders from the sales manager(s). "

While I agree with the sentiment, I must admit that I am under no direct orders to pounce on you. You are the one pulling onto a car lot. I don't believe in high pressure, but a present and attentive sales staff is what most buyers want.

You said: ".... you can't go that low on a vehicle that is selling on average for the sticker price!"

You should have left the "sticker price" part out. Regardless of what the current sale price is (MSRP or $1,000 below net) a dealer is not going to be willing to accept a losing offer. You should have just bitten the bullet and explained the round a bout math, IE:

32,000 MSRP equals approx. a $30,000 invoice (dealer cost after holdback and everything is considered)

-3,000 rebate= $27,000 is what the dealer has invested in the car. An offer that is a $7,000 loss is ridiculous! However, if a salesman or sales manager actually asks the customer to leave because of a silly offer, then he doesn't deserve his job! Simple as that.

You said: "DO NOT get your loan through the dealership as there is always going to be a "markup" by the finance department. What "markup" you ask? Well the dealership basically gets a bonus by upping the finance rate you get on your loan. The rate that they tell you have qualified for is not likely the best one you could have gotten. The dealership also gets bonus money just for referring you to the financial institution in the first place. So what I'm trying to tell you is to be sure and get your financing through your own bank or your best bet is your local credit union. "

Dude, you are speaking in half truths at best. I could go into further detail here, but I think this subject is big enough for a Hub all it's own.. I do hope you check it out. The simplified version of the hub that this comment sparks is this:

Dealerships "buy their paper" at a discount. Call JP morgan chase right now and ask them to give you their best rate (with perfect credit) on a new vehicle. I will bet you this weeks paycheck that I can match or beat it. I do have the option, as a dealer, of sending your application to a bank that pays be better to do your paperwork. But again I say if you are dealing with a dealership that is more worried about the paycheck today than they are about building up a customer base of good, loyal customers (by giving them the best possible deal for them without all the smoke and mirrors) then you should leave there and find:

A car you like at a price you can afford from a dealer that you trust. That simple.

Over all I like the tone of your advice, I just wish you would have done a little research on things like financing options and such. Check my Hub about "Zero Percent Financing" and you'll get the drift.

Consumer advocacy= Good thing (except for scheister dealers, and who cares about them anyways?)

Fearmongering/mis-informing= Bad thing

Peace, happy Hubbing!

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swifttaxi  says:
6 months ago

A more honest information from a good background.

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Some things you should know first.

I know that everyone first of all thinks that all car salespeople are a bunch of snakes out to rob you blind. The truth is that they are just out to make as much money as they can, just like the rest of us are! It's true that some dealerships are willing to sacrifice their good name or even tick off some customers just to try and make a sale. You must remember that car buying is one of the few places where you have to negotiate a price. You don't just walk into the grocery store and offer the store manager to pay less than what is on the price tag! I know you're thinking "I already know that", but I'm breaking it down to the very basics.

With all the information on the internet now, you can do most of your research from the comfort of home. Get some ideas of what kind of vehicle(s) would be best for you. Dream about the car/truck you would buy if you were rich later! For now think about what you need the vehicle for. Work? Long commute? Hauling the kids around? Maybe all of the above. Price of course is very important because at a dealership, the salesperson may steer you towards a vehicle that you neither need nor can afford. Salespeople don't make much money at all when selling new cars because most of the profits go to the dealership itself. The average commission for a new vehicle is only around $125 which doesn't sound too bad but if you only sell a few vehicles a week you're not going to get rich! Used vehicles are where the dealership/salesperson make their money. The reason for this is simple: you have no idea what they paid for that used vehicle you are negotiating to buy! With new cars you can easily research invoice costs, dealer holdback and such. Used vehicles are taken in from trades, auctions or just purchased outright from individuals. For example: you are looking at a vehicle with a sticker price of $10,000 and the book value is about $8,000. The dealer may have only paid around $5,000 so when you deal them down to even $7,800, they have already made a $2,800 profit (minus whatever it cost them to get the car ready for sale and pass state inspection). This can vary as well so believe me they don't always make a fortune but it is the best way for them to profit. There is no set percentage of profit for any vehicle as every sale is different.

Now that you have an idea of how things work you should also understand how difficult things can be for the car salesperson. They are under intense pressure and are constantly watched when they are interacting with customers. Management can get downright nasty in making sure that every person that enters the lot is greeted immediately. We've all dealt with the salesperson that pounces right away when you get out of your car and just won't go away. They are likely only doing this under strict orders from the sales manager(s). Just remember this when you respond to their initial greeting. Be firm but polite if you are just there to look. Their main goal is to at the very least get your name and telephone number so they can have something to give the sales manager upon going back inside. The management insists on this and the salesperson will be basically yelled at for returning empty handed. I'm not kidding, you would do whatever you could to avoid having your boss mad at you too right? Now you can understand the salesperon's persistence when first greeting you.

If you plan on going in and sitting down with your salesperson and or the sales manager(s) to begin talking numbers just remember that they are only there to make a sale. If you are not willing to sign on the dotted line no matter how low they go, you are wasting their time. It sounds harsh but it is true. You have to realize that if you are asking for such a low price that it is insulting then you are the one playing games and they will find you out easier than you think. For example: I was working for a new car dealership and we had a hot new sports car that was totally new for that year and stickered for around $32,000. We would have customers come in and sit down with us and offer around $20,000. That is just childish so of course the sales manger is going to get angry and ask the customer to leave as they are obviously wasting our time. Which is true, you can't go that low on a vehicle that is selling on average for the sticker price! You have to do some research before making an offer on any vehicle. Most people who are going to purchase a vehicle are going to need to finance it. If you are lucky enough to pay in cash, God Bless Ya! Either you are doing well financially or you're a really good saver! So one of the biggest ways to save money is in the financing. DO NOT get your loan through the dealership as there is always going to be a "markup" by the finance department. What "markup" you ask? Well the dealership basically gets a bonus by upping the finance rate you get on your loan. The rate that they tell you have qualified for is not likely the best one you could have gotten. The dealership also gets bonus money just for referring you to the financial institution in the first place. So what I'm trying to tell you is to be sure and get your financing through your own bank or your best bet is your local credit union.

When it comes to trade ins, always leave out that information until after you have worked the numbers with your salesperson. Think of a trade in as your trump card. If you don't have a trade in that is fine too as it simplifies things but it doesn't help with a down payment either. Do your research here as well because this is another important part of the deal where the dealership is going to try and rob you blind. Be firm on the range that you feel your trade is worth. If you are being lowballed then let them know that you are going to the competition before you make a purchase anyway. This will definitely help in your negotiations.

A last tip I will give you is that no matter how good you think you are at negotiating, don't go alone when making the deal. It always helps to have a second set of eyes and ears when going over the final details of a deal and signing on the dotted line! I hope I have helped you to feel a little more informed and confident next time you step onto the car lot for a battle of wits! Good luck!

 

 

 

 

 

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