Obedient Women vs. Assertive Women - Which is Better?
74Would you rather be an assertive woman or an obedient woman?
Would you rather have a relationship with an assertive woman or an obedient woman?
In most cultures, assertiveness is valued a lot more than obedience. This is certainly true with men. Obedient men are usually considered weak or womanly.
When it comes to women, however, things become less clear.
In fact, I was inspired to write this article after reading Why I Choose to be a Submissive Wife by Everyday Miracles.
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Obedient Women, Culture, and Religion
Many Eastern cultures value obedient women a lot more than assertive women.
However, obedience in this case is more of an expectation or societal norm, rather than a choice. Obedience is not seen as an attractive quality that everyone should aspire to; certainly the men do not aspire to it. Instead, it is something that a good woman should be.
Western cultures have the same bias with regards to assertiveness being better than obedience, but there is less pressure for women to be obedient. Strangely however, Western religions, in particular Christianity and Judaism have similar expectations of obedience from women as do Eastern cultures.
Even more surprising is that Eastern religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism are more in step with Western culture, and do not demand obedience from their women.
Assertive vs. Obedient
Being assertive is a more valued property than obedience because evolutionary wise, assertive societies are more successful.
Assertive societies with strong leaders tend to gain more territory, capture more resources, and spread more of their culture than obedient or passive societies, which are more likely to become conquered.
As a result, our prevailing culture, is one that values being assertive over being obedient.
Assertive men and women are more likely to acquire and accumulate more resources than obedient men and women. Since evolutionary success is commonly used as a yardstick for measuring our lifetime success, it is the assertive people who win.
Is an Assertive Woman Superior to an Obedient Woman?
Because of this evolutionary perspective, many of us see assertive women as being superior to obedient women.
However, human society has progressed beyond this evolutionary directive that is fueled by conflict and survival. Today, we live in relative peace, and most nations no longer harbor ambitions of land expansion and conquest. Instead, nations try to cooperate and trade for the betterment of all.
Since we are moving away from a model of conflict to a model of cooperation, it makes sense to re-evaluate the roles of assertive women and obedient women in our society.
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Advantages of Obedient Women
1. Obedient women have a larger social circle.
Obedient women tend to have a larger circle of friends. They are less threatening, and much more enjoyable as companions because they are willing to go with the flow. In contrast, an assertive woman will create more strife and dissension.
As a result, obedient women have a larger support system, and are arguably happier because of the friendships that they naturally attract. Whenever there is a crisis, she can easily turn to her friends for comfort and support.
2. Obedient Women are compatible with more men.
Our prevailing culture is such that men are expected to lead and women are expected to follow. This usually gets enforced since childhood from children stories, school dynamics, as well as parental and societal expectations.
As a result, there are probably more assertive men, than there are obedient men.
Obedient women can get along with both types of men. Most obedient women prefer relationships with assertive men because they will complement each other's strengths and weaknesses. However, because they are more easy going, obedient women can also forge successful relationships with more obedient men.
Assertive women, on the other hand, are likely to clash with assertive men, and as a result, have a smaller number of compatible mates to choose from.
3. Obedient women live a life with fewer conflicts.
Obedient women have a Zen-like nature. For the most part, they are happy to let others set the agenda, and they are happy to play a role in making that agenda a success.
This does not mean that the obedient woman will just take on a supporting role. In fact, she may assume the bulk of the heavy lifting to ensure that the plan succeeds.
An obedient woman prefers to take things as they come rather than try to bend things to her will. This natural Zen-like quality makes her life more worry free, and frequently leads to greater happiness.
However, as pointed out by cindyvine, this assumes that both people in the relationship care enough for each other that they want to keep mutual hurt to a minimum.
Unfortunately, if an obedient woman enters into a relationship with a self-centered male, who is also abusive, then she may find herself trapped under his barrage of attacks, with little alternative but to accept it.
In contrast a more assertive woman would have objected to such abuse early on and saved herself a lot of pain.
4. Obedient women are able to live in greater harmony with the world.
Obedient women are usually better at resolving conflicts and living in harmony with the people around them.
In life, there will be many instances where conflict occurs. During times of conflict, somebody has to back down and take a more passive position. If this does not occur, the conflict will escalate and end up hurting everyone involved.
Opting to back away from a possibly explosive situation does not make an obedient woman weak. Rather, it is the most expeditious way to bring the conflict to an end and restore harmony with the least amount of emotional damage.
It is a mistake to assume that obedient women do not have any needs or goals of their own. They simply value harmony over conflict and are willing to put their own egos on hold to achieve that harmony.
Advantages of Assertive Women
1. Assertive women are more successful at accumulating resources.
Assertive women are better at accumulating resources including money, fame, and material goods. There is a lot of competition for resources, so it takes an assertive personality to not only acquire those resources, but also to hold on to them.
Assertive women tend to hold high-powered jobs, and are comfortable leading large teams of men and women towards their vision of what is right.
2. Assertive women are more likely to bring on change.
Assertive women have their own vision of how things ought to be. They are also willing and able to do whatever it takes to achieve that vision.
When an assertive woman disagrees with current societal norms, she will not back down or be held back by criticism. Instead, she has the confidence and spirit to forge ahead and fight for change.
In the end, assertive women have done much to create a less repressive social environment for women everywhere. It is a good thing that we have women who will speak out for themselves and for all other women.
3. Assertive women are confident and sure of themselves.
Assertive women do not look to others for confirmation and approval. They are less concerned about what others think and want, and more concerned about their own needs and goals.
Confidence begets more confidence.
As a result, assertive women are able to fight through great adversity, and emerge with greater strength than before.
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So which is better - assertive women or obedient women? Which should you aspire to be? Or which should you look for in a relationship?
Most women are not one or the other. They usually have elements of both. However, their temperament, upbringing, and experiences may push them towards one end or the other.
As with all things, balance is crucial. We do not want to be too assertive and not give way when we should. We also do not want to be too obedient so that none of our own needs and goals are met.
Every individual has a different equilibrium assertive/obedient level, and this level may change as we change and the people around us change.
What is most important is to always be open to both of these qualities, and not just accept the flawed belief that being assertive is always superior.
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I have had to hide some of the comments because Google AdSense objects to the use of certain keywords, that it construes to be adult in nature, and therefore not suited for our virtuous sensibilities.
It is interesting to consider that machines are, in some sense, now dictating social morality to us, and defining which words are socially acceptable, and which others are not. I know that I will be a lot more careful now in the words that I choose to write my articles, and I am sure this will affect my every day use of language as well.
But I digress, I wanted to apologize to all those who have left very good comments, that are now hidden. Some of my responses have also been hidden for the same reason. I appreciate all of your insights, and value all of your discussions.
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How about somewhere in between. A good "partner."
Hahaha Tom. Just get one of those automatic mower things. They can be pretty attractive too if you look at them from the right angle ;)
Jewels, thanks for dropping by. I love that song! So are you a good girl or a bad girl? ;)
Writer Rider, You are probably right that somewhere in between is probably best and will bring the best results. However, it is difficult to find people who are truly in-between.
I am trying to work more towards the middle but it is tough work to fight your natural temperament.
I think everyone's relationship is different and they each have to work out the terms for themselves.
My oldest daughter showed up 9 months after we were married, so we didn't have a whole lot of "no kids" time after marriage, but we did live together before we were married. I worked full time, just like he did. I still took care of most of the housework because that's how I was raised, and I enjoy doing it. It's a stress reliever for me to grab a bottle of bleach and scrub the you-know-what out of the tile or the counters or the toilets. And nothing feels or smells better than warm-from-the-dryer clothes. There's something satisfying to me about doing laundry. Maybe I'm just sick. But if I was working full time and my husband was at home with the kids, I'd probably expect him to do a little more.
But that's just me. What do you think?
Thanks Laughing Mom! :)
lol Jewels. I am the same way. You bring up a really good point which is that other women tend to be more put off by dominant women than men. I guess that has to do with our societal expectations again.
I always find it strange that quite often it is the women who perpetuate practices that are repressive to women in general.
Shadesbreath,
You say so many interesting things! :)
Ok, I think that most people, men and women, view "manipulation" to be bad, because associated with it is some notion of coercion or duplicity. Personally, I am very interested in the social psychology surrounding positive communication, which really is just "manipulation" although once people hear manipulation they usually shut down, and walk out of the room :D
I don't really see manipulation as good or bad per-se, it is just a type or strategy of communication. It can be used for both good and bad. If an argument is about to erupt and somebody steps in and tries to diffuse the situation, is that manipulation? In some ways it is, but overall it is a good thing. Same thing goes for when a wife is "handling" her husband because she thinks that he may be making a big mistake :)
I also do not think that manipulation is solely a female trait. I think both sexes use it. Certainly I have seen many manipulative men at work. There is certainly a lot of ass-kissing at work. The interesting thing is that everybody *knows* that it is ass-kissing, but it still works. In fact, the higher ups expect a certain amount of it. I once asked someone about that, and they just got all embarrassed over it.
I will definitely have to go back to Wuthering Heights and pay closer attention to Nelly. It is difficult to take eyes off Heathcliff tho :)
I totally agree with you that both genders use it, and you have hit the nail on the head when you say it cuts both ways, good and bad. The same can be said for brute force (stereo typically male) power. Bullying is bad, but stepping in and punching some mugger in the face to save a poor damsel in distress is not. So ultimately, it comes down the much squishier dynamic of human relationships: intent matters, methods not so much.
Which I suppose is probably a massive deviation from the point above, so, I go back to it by saying, there is not much hawter than a sumptuous vixen clad in shimmering leather standing long-legged and dictatorial above you commanding you to pleasure her. I'm fine with that.
:P
Shades,
I agree with you for the most part. There are some methods that are just unacceptable though, no matter the intent. I suppose that is the debate now with the whole torture issue.
"there is not much hawter than a sumptuous vixen clad in shimmering leather standing long-legged and dictatorial above you commanding you to pleasure her. I'm fine with that."
lol - I'll go get my leather outfit and whips ready for you ;)
I am attracted to a strong woman. I've never thought the "yes dear" woman that can't make a decision or won't make a decision is good for anyone. My first wife was very dominate and I cow-towed to her and served her faithfully for 16 of the 20 yrs. we were married but it was never enough. I would do dishes but if she ran into a spoon or something in another room she would tell me it was as if I didn't do anything to help her. My current wife is strong as well but she will appreciate my help when I cook or clean. The house is her house and she runs it but says I am the "head of the house". This is all in the Biblical model and I love it. She can get me to do just about anything and smile while I do it. I could ask her to do just about anything and she will do what I ask. We both try to use our brains and she deferrs to me for final "up in the air" matters. She handles the money because I stink doing it and she does a wonderful job. She is my ideal woman.
I dominate any man no matter how big their ego is. Captain Jack Sparrow may think he is a BIG guy with his fancy talk but take my word for it when I say the name Sparrow suits him. Girl Power !
I am both. Depends who I'm playing opposite. Give me a strong man, I'll happily submit for a time. A weak man in need of mothering, I can do that too, for a time. But if someone lets me dominate for too long... I get bored. Everyone girl likes a smack on the ass now and again. Well, don't they?
no body - you are a very lucky man so find someone who is so compatible with you. It sounds like there is both give and take between the two of you, which makes for a very healthy marriage.
I am happy for you and also slightly envious :)
lol Cabin Girl - you really shouldn't kiss and tell!
She will be kissing my ass when she gets back to the ship the cocky wench thinks shes all big now shes got a gun !
There's a time and place for both types all in the same package, so I couldn't pick one or the other. I guess I'll try both and get back to you.
Thank's Aya. I'm not saying that Christian men that love their wives are a dime a dozen but we are out there, and serving our sweethearts with joy because everyday we have with them is a gift from God.
Wow, Aya. You make some good points. I think it's a great discussion topic, and a very excellent hub.
I'll back down on my 'manipulation is always wrong' stance based on your explanation. You're right. It was much the same way with me growing up. Accept what is given as truth and take it with a smile and without a comment. I wasn't brave enough until I was well into my teens to challenge that, though. You seem to be a stronger person.
Writer Rider,
You bring up another interesting related topic - does there have to be an equal balance of power for a relationship to succeed?
Some people want to have relationships that are almost 50/50, but I think there are others who want something else. Both I think, can work out well and preserve those tender moments, as you put it so well.
I think the key to success is in being flexible and appreciating your other half for all of the things that he/she does for you.
Me a bad girl..never.. where is that darn whip.
lol blondepoet. I have some spares - you can borrow one of mine. ;)
Men prefer softer women, so it isn't always a good idea for a woman to dominate her man, if he doesn't want it.
I like it both ways sweet Aya-chan. Either one gets boring over time, so the wisdom of a woman is to feel when to switch modes. Actually it refers to men, too :)
Misha, haven't seen you around much lately. How are you?
Yes I think everyone is usually a blend of the two, but most people will tend towards one side or the other.
If I were to guess, I would have to say that you are more the assertive type ;)
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A well written and balanced analysis. I think a vast majority of men are comfortable with submissive women, by nature.
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Jewels says:
6 months ago
There's a saying "Nice girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere." Very true.