Sultan of Johor and The Death Sentence
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The Sultan of Johor, then Tengku Mahmood Iskandar, has a very controversial history. First he was stripped as the heir to the throne by his father, Sultan Ismail, in 1961 after assaulting six people. In 1972-73 however, the young monarch faced a much more serious charge. He was charged with manslaughter and sentenced to death by another young prince who is now the Raja of Perak, Hon. Mr. Justice Raja Azlan Shah.
The Sultan of Johor (Tengku Iskandar), was charged with murdering a Chinese man who was said to be a smuggler due to a dispute. When he was caught, Tengku Iskandar pleaded (falsely) that the man he murdered was a Communist agent. The court, presided by Raja Azlan Shah, didn't buy this story and sentenced him to death.
His father, Sultan Ismail, stepped in to save his eldest son from a gruesome fate. Tengku Iskandar was sentenced to six month's jail and ordered to pay a fine of RM6,000. However his father told him in no uncertain terms that he would never ascend the throne of Johor.
And so, Tengku Iskandar's brother Tunku Rahman, became the heir. Now in 1977 Sultan Ismail's wife, Ungku Tun Aminah, died in a car crash. Subsequently he married again to Tengku Nora binti Tengku Panglima Raja Ahmad. Tengku Iskandar seized this opportunity to marry the sister of his father's second wife - Tengku Zanariah binti Tengku Panglima Raja Ahmad.
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A palace coup was in the making. Sultan Ismail was very ill in 1981. The heir of the throne Tunku Rahman was away overseas. Suddenly Sultan Ismail passed away peacefully in 1981. What came next however was an even greater shock. Tengku Iskandar emerged from his father's death bed declaring that his father had pardoned him at his last breath and reinstated him as the heir.
What proof did he had? A document pardoning and reinstating himself as the Crown Prince with his father's fingerprint as a royal thumb of approval. The Chief Minister of Johor at that time, Tan Sri Othman Bin Mohd Saat, couldn't believe what had happened. He questioned Tengku Iskandar's fishy document. He had no power however to stop the royal coronation of Tengku Iskandar (neither did his brother who was overseas). Thus Tengku Iskandar ascended the throne of Johor and is now known as Sultan Iskandar.
The Chief Minister of Johor was pushed out of power in 1982 and the rest is history. Check the links to various shenanigans of Sultan Iskandar and his offspring after he ascended the throne (and became the most powerful man in Johor):
- Demolish Causeway
- Malaysian Royal Arrested Over Wedding Brawl
- Douglas Gomez Assault and Private Adam Amok
- Son of Royal Beats Policeman's Wife
Those are but a sample of the thuggish behavior of this most powerful royal family. The Douglas Gomez assault and it's consequences in law is covered here.
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New History .
i really don know this....??
idb..
Goldenhub, you twisted some of our Johore history. The late Sultan of Johore married Tengku Zanariah long time before his late father married Tengku Nora. For Goldenhub and other Malaysians info, no matter how bad people said about the Sultan of Johore, true Johoreans respected and loved their Sultan. When the late Sultan Ismail passed away , many Johoreans were grateful that Sultan Iskandar became the Sultan instead of his brother. Al-fatihah to the Almarhum Sultan Iskandar of Johor.
True Johorean, 22 January 2010
I am proud to have Sultan Iskandar as my sultan. Johore people knows him well...
goldenhub - i may not be a true johorean but i will, at any time of d day or nite, come and give u a big slap on ur face...
yeah, violence will never take me anywhere n some say a pen (a keyboard.. in this context) is mightier than a sword, but i watch braveheart TOO many times..
Im johorean and i love my Sultan..alfatihah
i'm proud to have him as my Sultan..
I'm not a Johorean , I'm from Penang .. I work willl Tuanku in Istana Bukit Iskandar .. I love Sultan Of Johor .. Alfatihah ..
this guy (the late Sultan) was an asshole, thinking he was a big piece of crap, which he is. he and his family are thugs at best, worth the same as any jailbird in the malaysian jail.
he has used his power to absolve himself and now his sons from their actions of killing and maiming of innocent Malaysians. it is well known that they have in the past done so with wanton disregard for the law.
I hope God pardons his soul
I bet many people , Johoreans or no Johoreans are feeling very happy now.
He killed a caddy too just because the poor boy was laughing at his golf skill.
Then there was Douglas Gomez whom Iskandar assaulted.
"however, the young monarch faced a much more serious charge. He was charged with manslaughter and sentenced to death by another young prince who is now the Raja of Perak, Hon. Mr. Justice Raja Azlan Shah."
I have doubts over the accuracy of this statement.
Firstly, Tengku Mahmood Iskandar was not a "monarch" at the time, his father Sultan Ismail was.
Secondly, people who commit manslaughter are not sentenced to death but to a long jail term, unless the charge was later changed to murder during the course of the trial.
That said, his brutal and thuggish behaviour is inexcusable but I'm not gloating over his death, as that's an issue between him and God.
Johorean was not given a proper news coverage. All we have back in 1980's were RTM1, RTM2, TV3, BERITA HARIAN, UTUSAN MELAYU/MALAYSIA and so on...
Even and Indian johorean also love the Sultan, because they were talking good all about him. In fact when I ask them about Samy Vellu, the feedback was very good indeed.
Funny Malaysian especially Johorean... The only way to be fair is to
BERUBAH!!!
I'm not a Johorean , I'm from Penang .. We too love Sultan Of Johor ..ALFATIHAH, 'PLEASE RESPECT ALL SULTAN IN MALAYSIA'.
With all due respect to other good Sultans...Good riddance
I am a Johorean, The royal family are the worst kind of human being, generations of muderer & rapist (yes rape) ask non-malay johoreans. Because for a muslim, sins commited by a brother muslim is forgiven & even denied. A sinner is a sinner. That is GOD's Law
@ALPenang,
Shame on you fellow Penangite.. Just because they are Sultans, why should we respect them?
Respect is earned, not a given.
Sultans who have shown total disregard to justice and the common law should be treated like any other criminal. Royalty does not absolve one from following the law. I am very sure the Al-Quran that all men are the same without any prejudice.
The Sultans are just lucky to be born into royalty. To hell with them if they treat their subjects like dirt.
So, to the passing of the HRH, he can burn in hell!
what ever wrong he did on his life time is now between him and God. no human is perfect. wishing him burn in hell does not make you a better human.
as for respect, he earned it from me. when i was a child i often visit his residence and the time Almarhum Sultan Iskandar was around, he treated me like any kind father would treat a child. i have many fond memories of him.
Haha..all the bad guys are dead one by one , I wonder who is next ?
let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Those of you who write bad about others who are dead, are the real scums of the earth, especially "Iskandarsuckmykote"
'iskandarsuckmykote' i wonder if u deserve to be a malaysian. go 2 hell with u.
This is an outrage,its not accurate and twisted history,non of the story stated here are true,my step father is the Late Sultan's Nephew and when he read this he went into a rage......
This is an outrage,its not accurate and twisted history,non of the story stated here are true,my step father is the Late Sultan's Nephew and when he read this he went into a rage......
cakap pakai nafsu tak pakai akal..kaum kerabat dan rakyat masih beduka cita..silap2 yang kurang ajar becakap ni di kutip seorang demi seorang...ingat pepatah lama ..kerana pulut santan binasa.
It is never correct by any mainstream religion's teachings, common law or simple human values to take another human's life unless in self defense. It is well-documented that his man did kill two humans and got away scot free both times. Truly unforgiveable.
For whatever he has done in his lifetime..it is buried with him and the Infinite One will judge him accordingly till the that time comes..
As oppose to wasting your energy and time on proving what is true or what is falsified info, why don't you ask God to be merciful to him? Just the thought of it..
Eventhou it sounds strange to do so for a man which has a history of violence etcetera..
Don't you think God will blush at your empathy towards his creation?
Its not the result that counts..its how you react that matters..
Namaste
Dear Tengku Raimi,
Maybe you can show your step father the following link. This wikipedia link goes to depth the actions of the late Sultan and his family. If your step father could write in to refute the claims, then it would help clean up the late Sultan's image.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iskandar_of_Johor
Hope he rest in peace.
My goodness, what an evil man is this !
The royals all over the world including Malaysia do NOTHING for the common man, who has to work hard to EARN their money.Royals get their money from a Civil list. This is taxpayers money, you patriotic idiots! Kings & Sultans all started out centuries ago as pirates and thugs. They were not beamed down from Uranus or the planet Saturn. Be sensible all those patriotic guys here..your sense of loyalty is misguided. Those in power will always trample over those not in power. Thats the hard truth.No need to get too emotional here cos no royalty member is EVER going to help anyone.Ever.
TENGKU RAIMI....
KO NI TERLALU BERBANGGA DENGAN DARAH LA. COBAK KO SIASAT SIAPA PUNYA ANGKARA MENYEBABKAN KEDAULATAN RAJA 1993 - KEKEBALAN RAJA-RAJA DIMANSUHKAN? PAK TIRI HANG PUNYA PASAI LA? TU PUN HANG KATA TIPU KA?
royalties are all descendants of zeus. never talk bad about them or else u'll suffer the wrath of zeus for eternity!
Raimi, what is not true ?
Iskandar killed people or he was convicted by Azlan or he assaulted Douglas Gomez ?
interesting articles & news on Sultan of Johor....on Wikipedia
At least now the Gangster of all Johor Gangster is gone forever...hope Johor will rise again !
The only thing I'll remember his royal assness for is when he stopped and pushed other cars of the way with his police outriders so that he can go have tea at some hotel or go horse riding somewhere...Wake up you deluded nationalists, he was a murderer and thug, plain and simple. Good riddance to that piece of s#$%!!!
Johorian , that is a good one !
He should have been hung for the murders he committed.
He escaped worldly punishment but he can never elude the penalty in hereafter.
The villain is now burning in hell for eternity with Hitler and the likes.
this man was evil - a thug. johor will be a better plce without him although his son - the new sultan - is also a killer. god help johor
David
Malay rulers and their royal families have been ruling their respective states for almost hundreds of years.
Which I believe is far longer than the existance of pendatang races brought over by British colonials form china and india...in malay it's called pendatang dibawa oleh pendatang
Daulat tuanku!! Go to hell you pendatang x pendatang
Wow! I cannot believe that assholes like Imigraine still exists. I bet he/she is an UMNOputra piece of S#$%. With backward mindsets like yours its no wonder that this country is going to the dogs!!! And mind your lousy English!!!
It is spelt as existence, not existance you moron!!!
And we 'pendatangs' have equally contributed to this country's growth and have as much right in it as you have!!!
So take your ketuanan Melayu thinking and shove it up your stinking ass!!!!
Kepada sesiapa yg menghina almarhum Sultan Sskandar terima la apa yg terjadi lepas ni.. semua kenyataan hinaan anda akan diambil tindakan...
Kepada semua rakyat Negeri Johor, BANGKITlah.. jgn biarkan org lain mencerca Sultan kita... kita buat report agar si durjana ini di siasat..
Should we respect the dead? I mean whatever he did in the past is between him and the god now. I can see from the tv that Johor people really respect him.. He must has done something right to get that kind of respect from his people.. Agreeing with Sri Hartamas about no one is perfect and has sinned in his/her life.
to Imigraine and sinbad and all that are like u guy..
what make you people believe that all the sultan of malaya is so great and clean?? iam am a malay and have studied and learn a lot about sultan habit for the past 100 years and no wonder that tun mahathir make a change so that the sultan are no longer immune to the law..believe me when a sultan is bad we must bring them down and punish them according to the law because no human is above it..malay open your eye and heart dont be so thick headed and so fanatic about sultan when u all dont know what bad thing that bad sultan do..and still there is some sultan is still doing right now..but if a person is already dead so no need to talk bad thing about them anymore..let just leave it to god..
BIAR ALLAH YANG MENENTUKAN SAMADA SESEORANG ITU BAIK ATAU JAHAT. TAK SEMESTINYA ORANG YANG MENGATA TU BAIK ORANGNYA.
hope this bloger will be arrested!
hope this bloger will be arrested!
pemilik blog nie lupe ke rukun negara?
KESETIAAN KEPADA RAJA DAN NEGARA
ke sebenarnye duk merempat kat Malaysia nie..
kepada sesiapa yg mengutuk.. x yah ar menambahkan dosa korg yg dah byk tue.. ape2 baik ngan buruk seseorg tue antara die dgn tuhan..
yg beragama islam plak lupe ajaran ke?
bukan ke kite disuruh berckp perkara yg elok bile seseorg tue dah meninggal.. xkan tue pun lupe kot
Iskandarsuckmykote - Wtf is wrong with you? Did the late Sultan harassed you or what? Do you really have to show your big ass frickin ego with said nickname? If your parents really named you that, whew, no wonder you're such an asshole.
Whatever the late Sultan did in his previous life, is between him and God. Who are you to judge? Angels? Piirah mabuk!
I'm not a Johorean, nor a Malay but it pisses me off seeing the attitude of an arrogant Malaysian. I believe RUDE is your middle name.
If only you have the opportunity to know him personally as a Sultan and the man that people make him to be, you could really see the goodness in him the caring person and how great he really is.We all fear of his past but when he talks to you he is such a gentle man with full of humor and laughter.What kind of a man that loves animals that he even have his own little zoo? Whatever wrong he has done in his past he has done more good 100 times for the people of Johor. I am proud to have met him and will miss him dearly. May Allah forgive and protect him. Alfatihah.
Kami sayangkan Sultan Iskandar, inilah sahaja yg perlu kami ingat...
blooger nie lupa yg dia ber"Nasib Baik" duduk kat malaysia
( tak tahu bersyukur langsung)..kalau kat negara lain dah lama kene penjara/hukum bunuh...kalau blooger nie bangsa melayu..aku harap dia nie "SEDAR" ler sikit.....bangga ler tu.....
Reasonably accurate article about the tyrant.
A fb page has been created for the dead sultan:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=266564719142
I have linked this page on the fb page.
malaysia does not need any Sultan anymore. a waste of country wealth.
Funny things about you ppl. When someone mention about pendatang and whoever live here longer, you said it was history. But why d said ppl speak about d history of almarhum. If you want to put history in context than accept the facts of pendatang. If you cant accept the fact, do not discuss the history of anyone.
After all, it was 1960s,70s,80s. What were you and your father be doing then? Fucking bitches on a one night stand or weeknend orgy? It was accepted then and it was history. Grow up!
BTW, wikipedia??? Not a reliable source when anyone can amend anything they like and feels good. Even scholars wont accept wiki as a reliable source in their foot or endnotes. Wikipedia = Rubbish of the highest order.
Iskandar Malaysia? He never asked for that. Asked Ghani Othman and other political master.
List of good things? Here are some before 1957: acceptance of foreigner; allowing temple and shrine even in the middle of d city; trading opportunity; better living condition as to compare to China, India, Middle East etc.
After 1957? GO ASK YOUR POLITICAL MASTER..
hei..
he's the first sultan:
1. that opened the palace garden for public amusement
2. don't take salary whilst he's become an agong
3. that instructed his own army to partol state jungle - to track illegal hunter
4. the 1st sultan delivered khutbah at district mosque, and natinal mosque too
5. the 1st sultan dont like people to sembah him
that's not to mention the glorious past of all sultans of johore, and their descendants
who else, in the royal circle of malaysia shall earn such dignities?
since its all there.. let me add few more amazing fact about these royal court of johor and their descendants:
1. the 1st ruler who own gigantic palace wt 24 hours electricity in singapore.. event the resident general don't have such emnities
2. the 1st malay ruler were were respected and feared by west - even the hitler were visit him during his stay at french = and the british couldn't do anything
3.the 1st malay ruler respected by east - as they bestowed a highest degree of recognition by the last emperor of china and emperor of japan
4. the 1st malay rulers that dare to sack his british officers
5. the 1st malay ruler that made belajar agama is necessity, without it a huge fine or prison are waiting
6. the 1st malay ruler that funds skolah agama in his state every year for 110 years
7. the 1st malay ruler received state welcome by in US during his tour around the world
8. the 1st malay ruler that donated alots of animal to zoo of london after the nazi bombing
9. the 1st malay ruler that initiated dewan bahasa melayu (dbp now)to upright the use of jawi and bahasa
10.the 1st malay state that has able officers that could speaks mandarin and tamil - and english become necessirily 2nd language
11.the 1st malay king that refused to be the 1st agong - as it not about power
12.the 1st malay king that refused to be the latest agong - due to demised of sultan selangor - again, it is not about power
11.and plenty more - all source available in the web, be clever
and.. not to mention other from the royal court of johore
= all you can find is, amazing facts drew by reality.. not myth
and...
12. he's the first malay sultan that rules over the chinese underground triad = read the formation of ngee heng until it become legitimate body of chinese association
13. he's the 1st malay sultan that funds the building of gudwara, temple and tokong = boths of them still stood at jln segget
14. the 1st malay sultan that donated the gathling machine gun for singapore army
15. the 1st malay sultan that fund - giving full scholarship for study overseas
as a person who grown up in johor and completed my education in johor at the same time as tengku majid, well, we all know the kind of people he is.
during his time, all of us fear so much while driving along the road at lido beach ... if you happen to block his motorcade, chances are, you will be pull out from your car and gotten a tight slap....
and we all also know the nightspot behind the istana...the only place open by the royalty and approved by the police to provide tarian bogel...
instead of charging the writer, perhaps anyone of you could prove him wrong?
and i also grew up in johor, and that deceased sultan were lining up next to me while waiting to cut hair at wooden shop near kg. pasir
..he is lining up, and entertaining others with his story..
come on man, this can't be a rude royalty..despite of having strip club or little monte carlo in their backyard
Yes, Brogahills you know what u are talking about. Also remember the current sultan's favourite hanging out place the Holiday Inn with his bunch of gangsters (personal army)acting like hooligans & save any girls that he fancies. M'sian get real.
well known
it does not matter whether he is good or bad before this. worse is now, everyone has to wear the black wrist or else get summoned. Some weddings cannot have toasting and entertainment events...
now it is affecting everyone daily life. respect is one thing, but shall it go this far? do we need this enforcement? do we need to waste the police force to summon this irrelevant action?
i hope fellow Malaysian can judge the seriousness of some enforcement or conflicts. many things that happened now in our country just does not make much sense. it's just holding us back so so so much. we have so much potential!!!
Pada mereka-mereka yang suka-suka bercerita pasal keluarga di raja johor jangan sedap2 cakap aje kalau rasa dah tak suka jangan duduk kat johor dan jangan jadi rakyat johor ni tidak cari makan pun kat johor tapi kuat mengutuk pulak haprak punya orang
newgen and all,
By your nick i assume you are one of the younger generation here. Gen Y or Gen Z. Probably Gen X although unlikely. I also assume you travel alot around the globe through your lifetime and lucky enuf to be on the day their states dignitaries passed away. I also assume you seen during that day, there were no such thing as mourning or equivalent to wearing white/black wrist or cancellation of event to show respect. Bottomline i assume you are just bollocking.
Try to be in China or Cuba or US or UK or any other states when their head of state or head of government or even their dignitaries passed away, and appreciate the similarity here.
I was once like you, being told all the grandmother's stories about my Sultan even they do not even seen what they told me. I assume I Brogahill is in the same generation as I am since I did play sports during TBJ in EC. I also once used not to like them due to all the stories told and even just about to cross path with Sultan Ibrahim at one time in the disco Holiday Inn. I guess you must be suckling and not even known the disco exist.
Well, that was the past. After I was tasked personally to them on official duty, the manner they treated me and my family, I concluded that all the stories told were exegerrated if not myth about them.
I do agree that they are no saint but at least they change in becoming a better person. Whatever bad stuff they had done, is beyond your time and you all should comprehend it is just the same thing almost all of us did when we were at their age. Unless you were born saint and not even masterbate even once in your lifetime.
Some said there is not point having them as tax payer money involve. Well do not forget that you are living on the land that used to be theirs and was rob by politician. Regardless of how this land being attain as it is similar everywhere around the world.
What I suggest let almarhum die in peace since he had not screw you or your family stinking arses. Give Sultan Ibrahim the chance to make changes as I personally seen him did a lot. If you have a case, bring them to court if not, I sugesst shut the fuck up and move on.
i guess.. those are communists minded that has no sense of respect for Malays, even their ruler
hey Iskandarsuckmykote , why quite? where ur hide ur uncut dick? PENDATANG TAK KENANG BUDI!!!!!!!
I love my Sultan, I love my state, I love my country. I'll do anything in my power to defend em. So to those PENDATANG TAK KENANG BUDI, u better dont play wit fire..
saya,berniaga ,ada pelangan seorang tentera berasal dari kedah bertugas di Kem Mahkota,menegur saya buat apa pakai songkok,nak hormat sultan dah mati,mati lah, macam dia tak akan mati pulak.Patut berhenti lah jadi askar. Balik kampungla jangan duk gebang,kalau berani cakap depan la jangan cakap belakang.
dear bugisbentanjohorean,
anyway, i'm have no comment on this royal family, as i did not come across any issues with them, nor i am following closely with what they had contributed to the country.
i just does not feel comfortable with the way things were forced here. u see, mourning should be a free action, now it is a requirement. i'm not implying this to this particular matters only. sometimes, many things that we does not belief were forced. what do u think?
say that mourning is a free action - not a requirement
are you dancing and drinking if your neighbours dies?? same thing apply here - not requriement, its your free action = does it make sense?
enuf la.....let the man go in peace, although we know he his true color.
i think we are all pedatang, the asli ppl where here first :P
Dear newgen,
So much that we try to be an idealist in our daily living, but most of the time while living in a society, we have to be realistic. We live in a democratic society where the voice of the majority supercede. And we agreed to that model once we decided to be a Malaysian. It does not means that the minority will be left out but they just dont get the priority and we have to accept the fact. I have to accept the fact I am the minority while completing my stint here in Aussie.
Then there is this thing called global perception where other country looking how stable and unity is the society in Malaysia. Unstable and disunity? So long Malaysia, I'll invest somewhere else and that is bad for us.
Lets look back into our own family then. Someone passed away, we still do the mourning in accordance to our belief. Not a forced one though but all abid to it even though the deceased at one stage screw our arse. Why? Because we do not one the other relative look bad at us, I guess.
Now we look back at the bigger perspective. Since he is the head of state, he has the privy just like us at our own small government called family. And his obviously greater than us that allows mourning to be enforced. While living in a democratic state, like it or not, just follow the rule of law.
Back to your question of does it makes sense? Yes it makes sense if you are ruling your own country where you are the head of state and government. In this context, obviously it does not makes sense as the majority have spoken for a state mourning. There is no wrong to disagree but when decision are made, just follow.
dear newgen(1),
yes, if i don really know my neighbour, then i might not mourn for them. if i do feel pity for my neighbour, i mourn, and that happens when i know them a little.
what i'm trying to point out here in a humble way is that i believe a big part of the nation does not really bother the royal bloods. I remember I did studied about them during our primary schools, but as we grow older, things get to become irrelevant. not sure if all the british love their kings too.
any ideas what the people can do?
bustand Kluang,
Kalau awak dapat nama, pangkat, unit mangkuk hayun tu, elok awak email kat saya di matador_killingmachine@yahoo.com. Kalau dapat nombor tentera dia lagi cantik. Orang bodoh boleh kita ajar tapi kalau kurang ajar, ada ubatnya.
How do you expect the royal family to behave in a civilised manner if we can't criticise them openly? Their misbehaviour is attributed to people like 'Johorean Boy', 'Anak Johor' and its ilk who not only tolerates their criminal behaviour but threatens those who criticise them.
The more we mollycoddle the Royalties, the worse their behaviour will become.
Sultan Iskandar was awesome when he was alive. no ifs no buts.... he got his flaws but his PROS far outdo his cons.
he is a hero to Johoreans
"he is a hero to Johoreans"
If that is what you believe, then you deserve your Ruler. WE want a Ruler with high morals, but if you are satisfied with mediocrity then you deserve to live under a tyrant.
Dear newgen,
I cant agree or disagree with you as we need statistic to support that. While I was in UK some two decades ago, there were issues with the monarch but until today, they are still there. Just ask ourself, who are the ppl that questioned their existence in the first place? A rhetoric question i guess.
Dear Randy Barat,
Its not that we cant be critical towards them but the manner must be right. Just like when we tend to be critical towards our father or elders. Whatever the misdeed they have done, they were tried in the court of law. Whatever the verdict, they cant be blame. Go ask the judiciary or go ask the executive if verdict not being enforced. Better still, ask ourself why we decide to elect the govt that act as it is before or now.
To Bugisbentanjohorean,
So what manner do you propose for people to criticise the Royal family if they misbehave? I actually don't blame the Royalty for misbehaving, I blame people like you who is blindly loyal in defending them. What incentive is it for them to behave if there are no repercussions for their bad behaviour. And the Gonvenment is to be blamed as well for not putting their foot down on this nonsense.
can please all of these nonsense stop?
can we please let the late sultan rest in peace?
what ever he did before,it's just a history and it's indeed between him and god...
who r we to judge him?only god can judge him..we are only human being...and so does him....
i am a pure johorean...i love my sultan,i love johor very much even now i'm not working at johor...
and yet i'm so proud to be johorean..
our late sultan,as i know was a great sultan...
he himself,his son,tengku ibrahim (a.k.a as tengku yem) and his grandson,tengku ismail,was a great man..
why all of the bad stories come up as soon as he died?
why dun all the stories came before this?
please,let him rest in peace...
What is this nonsense about - who are we to judge him? Everybody has the right to judge anybody. Throughout our life we judge people, that is how we decide who are our friends and who are not. And how do we judge people? We judge people by their behaviour.
And from His Royal Highness documented behaviour, I would respectfully disagree that he was a great Sultan. Having said that, his son,tengku ibrahim (a.k.a as tengku yem) and his grandson,tengku ismail are not great men either. At least not yet.
And I hope for his sake, God would look kindly on his life. Theres a lot to answer for.
Peduli la kat diorang. Yang nak mengata sangat lu kompom dapat dosa. Nasib aku takde power ajaib. klau tak, aku dah hantar menatang korang yang ngata tu ke israel jadi papan target yahudi laknat. almarhum dan famili still the best dpd lee kuan yu n israel. moga s'pore hanyut.. marin sombong. issh geram kat sapa saja yang ngata tuanku yem @ tuanku mail @ rakyat joho.Al-fatihah kpd almarhum tuanku. Ampun tuanku sultan!!!!
To answer all the question about us 'blindly' defending our royalty it due to that the only thing that we have left...Malay Royalty beside our Malay Regiment. As for me, all the fact or myth bout The late HRH Sultan Iskandar its just a normal act and behaviour of a Sultan or King all over the world past and present. That what make them different from the subject. I've been once been step by the HRH Sultan Iskandar on my foot due to my army boot not shining enough to his level of expectation ( its really shine actually and passed the army par) and i still remember at the same Military ocassion ,when a few 2 and 1 star Army General worried about being passed on the shining of their shoes or boot. This incident will kept as a good and hillarious memory between the soldier and officer that witness them all. May HRH remain in peace. Amin
Dear Randy Barat,
`What manner do you propose for people to criticise the Royal family if they misbehave?' - You tell me. I thought you are the `know everything' type. Unfortunately i guess you BLINDLY swallow whatever fed to you w/o researching. And i thing you dont deserve to be a Malaysian, if you are one for not knowing the culture and tradition of Malaysian society.
`I blame people like you who is blindly loyal in defending them.' - If you read my earlier posts, you should appreciate how I became `blindly loyal' as you said. I had the opportunity to have them on my other side before being loyal, do you? I guess you are the one who is BLINDLY accepting whatever being told to you without gathering the facts.
`And the Gonvenment is to be blamed as well for not putting their foot down on this nonsense.' - You are and infact we are to be blame for allowing such a government to exist. Unless obviously if you have not had the opportunity to fulfill your responsibility in the ballot box. And if that is so, I am wasting my time arguing with immature person.
Dear Kamal,
Spot on! If anyone do not agree with the royalty, there are three options available. Firstly let the status quo remains and suck it. Secondly,change the system if you can and stop whinging. Thirdly bugger off to any country w/o a monarchy.
TAAT SETIA
Please leave the Latter sultan alone . He is dead and will face God .
Whenever Almarhum Sultan Iskandar and his consort or now Sultan Ibrahim Ismail or Raja Muda visited Mersing, our town will be kept clean, we the ppl like that very much.
Raja Muda football team recently had a football match with our local football club. We gave a good fight, and the Raja Muda likes that very much.
Kembara Johor during HRH Sultan Ibrahim Ismail reign as The Crown Prince was a memorable affair that will stays in our heart as the common people.
We are all proud of Almarhum Sultan Iskandar, no matter what Wikifuckdia, the west, the pendatang or whatever stories or ideas you people comes up with.
Its good to be the King, and only one human being will be King at one time, and he is the CHOSEN ONE. We will kept on praying, may Allah S.W.T blessed Almarhum Sultan Iskandar soul, and Royal Johore shall rise to be the greatest.
As for Iskandarsuckmykote, Randy Barat, Newgen and whoever posted all the bad words, be afraid, be very afraid and pray hard. You guys started this war but you don't know what you're fighting for or who your enemy was.
You people cannot change this world with your hatred and anger. It was always love, kindness, sharing and giving as what the past and current Sultan of Johore did that make us true Johorean the greatest.
Unekspekted: highly appreciated your list.
Long Live The Sultan! Daulat Tuanku! Daulat Tuanku! Daulat Tuanku!
I suppose we should respect the chair though we may dislike the person sitting on it. Obviously the sultan was disliked by many, but he was occupying the chair of the sultan. To me, I just watched his story as an entertainment, dead or alive. As a person, he is a laughing stock who represented Malaysia for quite a while. The politician could have done something.. . enforced the law, by pass them, do away with them etc etc. We all need to move forward instead of living in the cocoon of the past centuries. Improve your economic lots, education, character, freedom etc, Visit some developed countries... you will know that not only the sultans are ... this country's politician have also failed its people with much wastage and extravagance.
I suppose we should respect the chair though we may dislike the person sitting on it. Obviously the sultan was disliked by many, but he was occupying the chair of the sultan. To me, I just watched his story as an entertainment, dead or alive. As a person, he is a laughing stock who represented Malaysia for quite a while. The politician could have done something.. . enforced the law, by pass them, do away with them etc etc. We all need to move forward instead of living in the cocoon of the past centuries. Improve your economic lots, education, character, freedom etc, Visit some developed countries... you will know that not only the sultans are ... this country's politician have also failed its people with much wastage and extravagance.
no body perfect, there is good side and bad side of the sultan.. but being a good citizen is what i want to do.. follow the rules.. if anyone can't follow the rules, don't live in the country that you can't agree with the rules... what? no other country to go.. why? because this is your country. or origin country can't accept you anymore... if you want change the law, go to the right channel.. ask your representative at government to fight for you to change this things... don't keep blaming other parties when you can't follow the rules....
no body perfect, there is good side and bad side of the sultan.. but being a good citizen is what i want to do.. follow the rules.. if anyone can't follow the rules, don't live in the country that you can't agree with the rules... what? no other country to go.. why? because this is your country. or origin country can't accept you anymore... if you want change the law, go to the right channel.. ask your representative at government to fight for you to change this things... don't keep blaming other parties when you can't follow the rules....
Almarhum dah mangkat. Takan Tuanku Yem nak ikut jejak menda yang tak baik arwah buat(jika ada) Lagi baik tuanku dan kita semua doakan kesejahteraan rakyat johor dan sedekah fatihah kpd roh arwah. sama2 kita jadi anak soleh. yang sempurna hanya nabi s.a.w kita ikut je la sunah rasul. Mungkin kalu kita jadi raja, lebih 9 kali teruk berlaku... bagus lagi jika kita ikut perintah Allah swt tuhan orang islam.
i love JOHOR...4 ever & ever..
Almarhum Sultan Iskandar willing to share his goreng pisang with others..
We're just a normal human being..people made mistakes but don't judge or condemn other people if u know NOTHING..!!!
Al-Fatihah..
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well only 1 thing i can say raja yang adil raja yang disanjung, raja yang hhmmmmm ...... suka membuli rakyat raja yg disanggah, but i respect raja perak - always use their brain before doing anything
Imigraine,
Though we are diverting from the original objective of this blog i.e. the Johor Sultan, a small lesson is necessary. Anyway its just knowledge. Pendatang's we may be. But remember the Malays too were "pendatang's". Study some history please. The Malays originated from mainland china and were from Yunan.The migrant push down was all recorded. Malays were just one of many Austranesian groups. Also remember that the orang asli here are the REAL bumiputras as they weer around far longer than the Melayu race.Also the Malay languange was based wholly on sanskrit. Parameswara was a Hindu pince from palembang. SO simple. Dont be too BN in your thinking la. See this simple link http://library.thinkquest.org/C001252F/intro/histo
I hoped nobody will come after me for reading this.
actually i wonder the sultan dies from wat illness
"David Chin says:
8 hours ago
Imigraine,
Though we are diverting from the original objective of this blog i.e. the Johor Sultan, a small lesson is necessary. Anyway its just knowledge. Pendatang's we may be. But remember the Malays too were "pendatang's". Study some history please. The Malays originated from mainland china and were from Yunan.The migrant push down was all recorded. Malays were just one of many Austranesian groups. Also remember that the orang asli here are the REAL bumiputras as they weer around far longer than the Melayu race.Also the Malay languange was based wholly on sanskrit. Parameswara was a Hindu pince from palembang.etc...etc...etc..bla bla bla."
Dear my fellow Mr.David Chin,
I'm totally agreed with you, however i just want to add...since Pu Yi the last Emperor of China from Manchuria then should the Manchuko claims the throne of China? How about the existing Anglo Saxon that populated the Isle of Britain?..Should they and their royalty cant claimed themselves as British?..Discussion never end up,there are so many books,manuscript and links if anybody try to be kindda "academical" here.
Main thing... Once before...This is called Semenanjung Tanah Melayu and not Semenanjung Tanah Maori or Semenanjung Tanah Singhalese neither Semenanjung Tanah Yunan. And there were Raja-Raja Melayu existing until now. That the historical fact.
David Chin..
the link u referring has no proof.. dig more and bring with an ISBN book before u pass an info.. do u know the words "Nusantara"?? Study those words before u can say Malays is 100% not bumiputra.. If not because of Malays & Indians, u guys might had been extinct from this country long ago by the hands of Japanese.. So think before wrote, and dig more before made a conclusion.. We should fight country who are taking advantages from us, not fight among ourself..
Chill guys..
I'm a normal dude that serve in Military before joining the airline.Lucky enuf to travel most part of the world. Still remember when i met one Danish chick in Copenhagen, not to forget bootylicious Swedish aircrew that i try to nail in crew lounge in transit hotel in DXB, not to mention my bad lines when try to make a move towards 34"D Cup English Lady at Charles De Gaulle. One thing that i realize thru our conversation, all the chicks are proud with their royalty.They still keep updating about wats going on with their royalty, latest gossip and evrything. SO! No harm what if im and the rest of the peoples stil proud of our Malay Royalty.
Its just a relax note
Cheers!
Just to share, .... back several years ago. At the Prince Hotel KL. Wedding function. Im sitting with my fellow Malaysian non malay dude. The Late HRH Sultan Iskandar were the royal guest of honour. Its a Malay wedding. Couple of minutes before the function end, my non malay dude suddenly leave the table and dissapear. Later i found him at the Lobby entrance wating to see the Royal Motorcade. when i ask him why he standing there? This is the comment , " Kamal ah, if we wan to see secret service in action, we need to go to US maa, here oso can see wat". Happen that he like to watch how the police and JMF in action while the Royal Motorcade start to move with all the sirens and watever. Not to mention he like to see The Bentley and the Royce as well (me too!).
Beside being childish, Im still proud that only the HRH's, the Regents, PM and DPM have the police escort in this country. Though sounds silly, but for me its a statement....that this land still have the Royalty....Malay still ruled the country and we are still around for the next century.
Still a rilex note.
Cheers my fellow One Malaysian!!!
One Malaysia?..YES.. I dig that. Sosial Republic of Malaysia???...DREAM ON!! As long there is a Malays like most of the forumners here and me. This will never happen. Not in our time, might be at our future great granchild.
As long there is a Malay Regiments....The Chief Of Armed Forces, the IGP and the PM position occupied by Melayu, then the throne of HRH's Raja-Raja Melayu stil exist. That the calculation.
What we can do?
Start being One Malaysian la, tolerate among us here and there. Leave in harmony.
Hopefully... in a future if im bounce to somebody in JFK or Newark Airport...and the dialog run like this " Excuse me, are you from Chennai?"..." Sorry broh! I'm MALAYSIAN Indian!"
Point is...
we are Malaysian
let us remain like that.
Hopefully..............
Its very depressing reading all these unnecassary nonsensicals. I am very ashame of the exchange of words (vulgarity in particular). Wake up everybody!!! Let the dead rest in peace, let them deal with ALLAH..I urge this comment box to be permanently close. Too much hatred and vengeance..its really not healthy..besides, we were taught not to speak any EVIL of the dead...
My deepest condolences to all Malaysian especially Johoreans..May Allah tempatkan Sultan Iskandar bersama orang2 yg dikasihi & dikesiani...Insya Allah..Al-Fateha...
the real PENDATANG is a outcast, a person that live on sympathy of the native.. - and they and their descendants live because of the mercy of previous olders Sultan
the same descendants of the sultan till now put them in highest respect but later... see this is what they repay
is it true that orang asli is the original native, but, they've FAILED to build a civilisation, failed to prosper these land, and failed to keep all enemy at bay
if any communist try to relate the 'origin' of malay = they better relate it from dominant african race - traced back in africa million years ago.
think!
i bet u people dare to speak ill of HRH Sultan Iskandar because he is dead. I'm sure there's more public figure that you people despise too..I challenge you evil mouth people to speak ill of them WHILE the're are still alive!!! Come on be realistic..dont just attack the DEAD..try on someone who is STILL ALIVE and Breathing...i bet my last cent NO ONE DARES!!! for fear of being drag to court for malice & malign. May i remind you that the whole world is watching this despicable childish act. STOP IT!!! You'll only do more damage NOT on HRH Sultan Iskandar, but to MALAYSIA and MALAYSIAN..LETS ALL UNITE...and say our prayers in our own lil way..May Allah have mercy & bless his soul..
try to immagine if you r the royals family or the sultan and live with all the benefits.....will you be so stupid not to use the escorts, live in castles, eat all the expensive foods, enjoy your life as a ruler of the country....
i bet you would do all the things that almarhum did.....we are all humans... we think almost the same....
as an example....you give way to police, ambulance, fire trucks in an emergency, if there is a chance to follow them from behind any tom dick and harry would take the advantage of not having to crawl with the traffic. am i right?
So, honestly before commenting, put yourself in the same shoes. than decide what to say.
if you have the power, you definately will use it to the max.
sorry if i'm too outspoken.
Give the land back to orang Asli, the original Bumiputera. We should have an Orang Asli Agong.
Randy Barat : then, it better to give to african - orang asli and your original ancestor.. they deserve better don't they??
Great King, ancients times developed stories by myth.. the similar great kingly equal, and their royal courts of johor.. developed myth from the facts
can't help to amazed
To YOU who have been on this page in defence of Almahrum Sultan Iskandar, We would like to thank you. For YOU who have been total ARSEHOLES we have reported YOU to the police to join the others. THANK YOU. DAULAT TUANKU!!!!!!
to summ everything.. his accentricity and bravado.. this man has ball.. lots of copper ball compared than other sultan
jiwa melayu...obviously u r not malay..so dont talk rubbish here....
Thanks to those who used your brain in commenting.
Not only in Islam, but I believe any other religion in this world does not allow its devotees to bad mouth a person who has passed away.
To those who bad mouthted the late Sultan;
As if you are so right in the first place...so brave behind the monitor...talk so big...if you trully are as brave as your word...come forward and say them out loud...I know that I will not hesistate to come forward and smack you in the face...
I think the lineage of Johor royal family is cursed, starting with the late Sultan Johor himself. It's in their genes, they just have show how powerful they are. Take away their bodyguards and their guns... They are nothing! There's something deep inside of them that just wants to kill/hurt/humiliate people. Take his grandson for example, 2 years ago he decided to pistol-whip another member of a royal family. What the F*** is up with that!? If the lineage had changed to Tunku Abdul Rahman instead of Tunku Iskandar when Sultan Ismail passed away, maybe things would be different.
their lineage.. is the remarkable lineage that malay sultan ever born.. look at achievements of their childrens and grandchildrens.. and compare to tunku abd. rahman lineage is much worse
yes his grandson pistolwhipp another sultan son.. his father shot dead someone, his grandfather also shotdead 2 people.. but, hell.. that proved that they have a ball..
@unekspekted
your thinking that any royalty (in general, be it malay or otherwise) has the right to kill at will is most twisted. if all the royalties behave this way in the modern day, they ought to have their asses dragged into prison. having balls is not a good enough reason to take the lives of an unarmed and defenseless man. if they had balls, they would have let their opponents a chance to defend themselves, one on one, a gun with a gun, a fist with a fist. no body guard intervention, that is balls!
as royalty, you should behave in a proper manner where the general population can respect and see you as a role model. it would be very difficult for the common person to think that his/her king can kill someone and say that it is their right to do so.
i have no problems that the royalties can live a good life, in a way, they deserve it as they used to be kings of the land and it was taken away by means of politics (in Malaysian terms, they were tricked by the British). however, i stand against taking or injuring ones subject.
Lastly, may HRH Sultan Iskandar rest in peace. From the posts above, one can tell that he has his own set of detractors and supporters, but HRH has passed on. Let it be, there is no need to dig up the past. God bless his soul.
Greeting bro naidu,
May i ask you from where did you get the statement 'sins commited by a brother muslim is forgiven & even denied'. In islam sins are sins and to be punished even your own son. It is just the muslim itself who manipulated God's law for their own benefit. As for muslims commented to this post, why the silence on this? Love your God more than anyhting...
@ Desmond
My fellow Mr.Desmond,
Well said! Totally agree with ur statement and view.
Its almost a week the late HRH Sultan Iskandar passed away, but believe his legacy will goes on. The Memory between him and the people will remain kept in the heart. The official act of him will documented as history of the country and nation.
Seikhlas Takziah buat;
DYMM Sultanah Zanariah,
DYMM Sultan Ibrahim ibni Almarhum Sultan Iskandar,
YMM Raja Zarith Sofia,
YAM Raja Muda Johor dan
Kerabat DiRaja Johor serta
Rakyat Jelata Negeri Johor Darul Takzim
Semoga Roh baginda dicucuri rahmat dan diampunkan segala dosanya.
Amin.
I LOVE MY SULTAN
I love the Sultan of Johor, even though I am a chinese
I don't think racial is the case. We need to be one Malaysia
as we are a family. We must not fight among each other just
because we have a different point of view. Eventhough we
have a different point of view, we are still Malaysian and
we are family.
The King is the king in deep of our heart, now and then. No matter dog bark or bite. Dogs always do their job, bark for nothing. Maybe tomorrow got another place to bark for nothing.. again.
What you all see are only the bad thing..when people didnt like someone, of course they will attack his weakness...his bad thing....but if he like someone..he will close his eyes and only see the good thing at that guy....so...why dont we act neutral...list down 20 thing about his bad n 20 thing about his good......do the same thing with yourself....are we really good guy?
Malaysia should under go evolution and hang all Royal Family who still hang on to political power without election from people of Malaysia, take France as an good example.
he sure will go to hell. I remember this guy was a drunkard often and used to slap people who overtake his car in johor.
People Union,
Do you forget that your politician friends that stole their land and name it Federation of Malaya before Federation of Malaysia.
SGTH,
I also remember you mum use to let me screw her arse when your daddy is not around.. That was history man. Move on and dont play god if you cannot even say your prayer properly, regardless of your belief.
hey i am god,
that sounds like what i did to your mum too!! what a coincidence! what a small world, we should meet for teh tarik and mee goreng one of these days and exchange stories.
Let the dead rest in peace. What is the point of criticizing the dead when he is no more? Should have done that when he was alive.
One has to understand the royalties. That's why they are called " Royals" Celebrities of the nation. But history teaches us otherwise. We tend to look back at history and reflecte it upon ourselves occasionally.
SO WHAT????
xdf says:
2 years ago
this is very inaccurate.