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Team National mlm was presented to me recently and here is what the basic overview is.
Team national is a company that claims to save you money in the thousands over a course of time. They constantly claim to be affiliated with home depot, wal-mart and many other big name companies. This is the big sell. The other end of it is the resale of the "savings plan" which will cost $2100.00 to enter. Minus all the mlm sales hype and whatnot, that is all it is, a two thousand dollar coupon book that you can resale to others.
I felt pressured during the presentation and after saying I was'nt sure about it I was made to feel like I was an idiot for not wanting to save money. Regardless, I left with a bad taste in my mouth and set out to do research.
What I found as far as the savings plan, there are about 80 affiliates that range from 5 percent discounts at the disney store to 10 percent at restaraunts.com. Plus all these discounts are not exclusive to team national and can only be accessed through your own personal Team national website. My opinion is this is only a sham website with affiliate links from varios web programs that is free to all.
I can go to Commission Junction cj.com and get hundreds of affiliates to get discounts.
Scam.com has a very good thread on this company and I refer you to them for some very goodback and forth on this subject.
As far as resale of the "product" I believe it is unethical to make a profit off of public knowledge, its like me selling directions to the nearest hospital or charging for a 911 call.
I will not respond to comments here.
UPDATE may31/07
Ok, the people I have told you about have made their money back off the $2100 they invested.. I have noticed a lot less social time with these people.. Mainly because of the monster amount of hours trying to sell team national... I talk to the guy quite a bit but it is noticibly less relaxed since I told him to stick the tn.. He is still very excited about it and when cornered on the amount of time he has spent v.s. the money he has made. "Well thats only for now.. We wont be doing so hard and heavy once it kicks in" My opinion of tn is getting worse everyday when i see them not having a life other than team national... One of our mutual friends signed up under him and at first was excited, but now admits he does not feel comfortable selling the product which to him has no value... He was in it to make a bunch of money and like everything else it takes a ton of time and work. Where a guy could make 10 times as much money using his or her time in another job or even a legitimate business like mowing lawns or painting... These are just my opinions.....
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OK I added this for the whiners!!!!!!!
hey, seethrough. I dont feel like I am wasting my time. Doesnt coke compare to pepsi to get customers, doesnt ford compare to chevy to get buyers? Its all you die hard "pay to get in" mlmers, that sell your opportunity by telling your sucker prospects to have an open mind, then as soon as you buy in, the mind shuts and anything that is similar and possibly better is a bad thing.. then you get on my page and tell me I am talking out of my arse. good one idiot. I am focusing on my opportunity and I do see positive results, dont be such a wimp and take critisism about your company without being a jerk... And I never even really "bashed the TN thing" I gave my personal opinion, I think TN is a way for some people to make money, all I am really saying is that mine is free yours cost 2k mine has 1000 savings opportunities, yours has about 80 last I checked, The money I make is based on what we buy, yours is to huck others into buying the overpriced coupon book that is team national. have a good time with that.
You should get your facts straight. There is no coupon book! Smart business people do not make decisions until they have all the facts. Educate yourself, then your opinions might be taken more seriously.
ok tn fan, an affiliate portal then, is that better.... coupon book.
Wow- it's amazing what comes out of people's mis-perceptions. If you were "sold" the idea that TN's claim to fame is saving 10% at Target, then someone really screwed up. Or perhaps that's all you wanted to hear. You save on furniture- huge, Cars, huge, small business materials. Insurance. What coupon book did I get my wife a tennis bracelet from? And for $554.00 less than anyplace else I tried. And I'm cheap so believe me I TRIED. I have been in TN for over 2 years, and have saved 3 times the cost on thing I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT ANYWAY. That doesn't count my complete lack of effort in offering it to others. At last count in 27 months I have shown it to 7 people. 5 bought it. I haven't even tried- shame on me. Because when you see the value its easy. But lots of people look thru tinted lenses.
good job, I am happy that you have done well with it. I have a friend in it that is also happy, although a couple people he put in under him arent having much success. Maybe they need to work it a bit harder.. I am still not sold on paying over 2k to save money that I could probably get myself with a little research... good luck with it. And no my comment about me doing my research to save is not an invitation to compare savings, it bores me...
I think it is funny talking about a savings program that you can get for free. It's not free, your time is worth how much? Mine is seriously about $300 per hour not to mention I'm a mom to 3 kids under 6yrs old *6, 3 & 11mo*. If you are a Mom, that said it all. To do my own research would take me longer and cost me more than having a company already do that for me. Some people LOVE to do research (their way of hunting). Good for them and maybe TN is not for them, but thats not me or most people. Team National is a great company for many people, not all, but most.
I have been involved for over 3yrs, saved over $18K and shop online getting checks back monthly. My husbands company (covered under my membership) also gets benefits, saves about $1300 per month and gives this out for FREE to all his employees and their families (STILL covered under my 1 membership). Lots of savings for a 1 time membership fee of $2195.
I wont get into my income (done very passively with 2 kids added in the past 3yrs). I am able to spend more time with them and take a 7wk summer vacation each year for 3yrs now because of TN help. Not everyone is super successful right off the bat, but if you keep going no one is bad enough to fail at it. ;)
well, you use your time in team national and paid 2100 dollars, I use my time for my programs and did not pay 2100 dollars, there is a difference 2100 dollars...
good luck with it, i know people can do well with team national, but a lot of people do not want to pay 2100 for a business that is not thouroughly available to research... I sat through the presentation a couple times and was never clear on what I was supposed to sell, only that I could save some money on some furniture and a car if i paid 2k, what is the actual business? And I had to join up before they even would tell me the name brand of the furniture.. will you tell me?
I agree with Mort, It may be a great place to save a lil money here and there, but I can't see paying $2,000 for it. Some of my Wifes family have joined in it, and they are not making any money. Her Aunt loves to tell us how great the deals are and this and that, but the bottom line is there is no check coming in. She also told me she got a great deal on a dell. I said really how good of a deal? Well I only paid $550 for it, I was thinking hmmm I can get that anywhere... Oh well maybe they will be successful, but I will not be buying in:)
Well I have sucombed to the high pressure phone calls and even set up a time to meet. Tried to tell them countless times that I can't afford it. though they tell me I will save that much in a few weeks. High pressure makes jumpy and now it seems the only way to stop them is have them come in and tell them no to their face.
Tell them "Right now I do not think I would be intersted in that type of investment in a company that I do not know enough about." If you are interested in it and it is the money then tell them to get back with you in a few months, They should understand. At the risk of sounding too bait and switch, Try my program out for a while, it is free and the model is the same almost as tn. If you are a hotshot at getting referals for a free program then you may do ok with tn if you cannot produce free referals through my program then mlm is not for you
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good luck
kenscash doesnt know what he is talking about . if you check out things for yourself you will be leading your own life. start with the DSA of America , look for Nationals co. oh i guess that just slipped kenscash`s mind . just one more thing - there is no free! and no promises of savings or earnings. good luck whatever you do.
You mean check it out and be led by another program, not mine? What slipped my mind? the DSA? big deal! and National companies, Dick loer and his boys, hahaha Hey I will give the guy credit he is making good, but he is just another car salesman. Plus this article was not a detailed view of the company and was never meant to be, But it gives one a basic idea, and yes, my program is free. And another thing, why is it that when you put "team National" into the google engine I am number two or three all the time and not all the rave reviews and great things to be said, put my program into the search engine and try to find something that is not positive.
good luck to you.
I am not in team national but have been shown it a few times. I am a regional sales manager for a home improvement company and am very successful. As with any opportunity it is what you make it. TN offers a great product I just bought furniture for $3,800 and with TN I could have bought the same furniture for just over a thousand. Now I'm in sales and I have to sell to make an income. TN is the same way it is a selling opportunity for a great product that you can make a legitimate six figure income from if you put forth the effort. Its also a great product if you just want to save money either way you win. This is not a get rich quick scheme. It is a valid working opportunity just like anything else. You get out of it what you put into it isn't that life. Winners understand this I will say no more. thanks
Team National is a member of Better Business Bureau and has been around for over 10 years. There pay commissions on your internet purchases, offer great discounts on cars and jewelry, and pay members for referrals. They have a 3.9 cents per minute long distance program. A lifetime membership of 2,195 is worthwhile, especially if you plan buy cars or furniture.
ms. mom, you must be a new member of tn, because that is the same line I have been getting from day one.... its not for me or everyone, so good luck with it. i can get the internet commisions with my program and 2.5 long distance through another free service, so i would be paying 2k for potential savings on some furniture or a car, furniture i have no need for at this time and I buy used vehicles.... so for someone it may be worth it but not me or the majority. The only reason I would join would be for the building of my downline to make a lot of money, but I cannot get behind a program that charges so much and show it to friends or family which would possibly fail and then blame me perhaps... it is not worht the risk to me on so many levels... money is not everything to me.
hey, Chad (2 up)
You say you are not in it and claim you can make six figures.. whats stopping you? winners understand this.. haha
Dude,
You are a joke, everything that you promote is a joke. I have read all your negative comments on Team National and they are also a joke. My wife and I joined Team National only 6 weeks ago, we have saved $2200.00 and have made $1800.00 just telling a few friends. I have never been involved in any other program where I have actually made money, But with Team National, THE SKY IS THE LIMIT. Yes, you do have to put some effort into it, it is not going to work itself. But with just a few minutes a day, you are earning what you are worth. I wish you the best in all you do, but when you finally realize that Team National is for real and here to stay, send me an email...I'll host you.
Marty,You people prove my point. I am so tired of you people getting so aggresive and personally attacking me for a critisizm of your company. Whether or not it is the greatest company ever or even financially smart (not) I would not join because of the attitude of the members. One of your sales pitches in Team national is to be open minded and then as soon as you invest your hard earned money your mind closes, ever heard of multiple streams of income, Cant your company stand on its own and take some heat? And the heat I am bringing is nothing, just an opinion, And how come half the time if you google "team National" That my little hubpage beats out your main site for ranking,, wow!!!! Good luck with your TN andf if you work hard at it you can make some money, I will make mine other ways.
I've been in Team National for about 5 years and it isn't for everyone.
Can you make money? Absolutely! Is it a get rich quick scheme? Absolutely not.
You get what you pay for mort. With TN I've saved the amount I paid doing absolutely nothing but making a few purchases of things I needed. I'd have bought those things anyway. Why not save some money?
I've also made a bit of money at the same time, while holding a full time job and not busting myself or my friends. I've had people look at the product and opportunity and say yes and get into TN. I've had others look at it and say not right now and I get back with them a few months later to see if their situation has changed, simply out of courtesy. Others simply have said no and that's their choice.
You say that you're just advancing a "critisizm of your company" (please learn to spell... PLEASE!). But in every post I've seen denigration of the company and of the people in the company - not a simple criticism. (Note the correct spelling, mort.) People don't take well to being called 'closed minded', 'just another car salesman' (a slam if I ever heard one), 'sucker prospects', (shall I continue?). No, you hit yourself pretty close when you commented about trying YOUR program (at the risk of sounding too bait and switch).
Mort, in all honesty, it sounds way too "bait and switch" for me.
Things that are "free" or that have a "limited opportunity" have way too many negative connotations to me. There are no true 'free' money making opportunities. There are only envelope stuffing opportunities that get investigated by government fraud divisions. Team National is a member in good standing with the Better Business Bureau, is a member of the Direct Sales Association, and is anything BUT the fraudulent business you have attempted to portray it as.
If you don't like TN, fine. However, you should be very cautious about how you slam the company. Lawyers these days go about looking for things to keep them profitably occupied and a LOT of lawyers work with and are part of, Team National. No threat at all Mort. Just a simple comment, or as Ben Franklin would say 'a word to the wise'.
Spikie, that was an awesome comment untill you made fun of my "spelllingg" And please do not put veiled threats of litigation out there, Please do the research on Dick loers 8 failed attempts at legal action towards members that have sued Team National "National Companies" They won he lost, mlm companies do not do well in court, that has held true since the seventies...... Five years, you should be doing great according to most claims. Dont take crap so personal, you people get so carried away. I actually has some tn member tell me that tn was as important to her as her kids... wow
Mort,As a professional Technical Writer, I just can’t stand incorrect spelling. Spell checkers are built into word processors, and with copy and paste, there's no reason to be sloppy with language. That said, I was likely a bit out of line there, so I extend my apologies for acting like a big green frog. I don’t intend to ever bash or make light of anyone. Spelling just happens to be the biggest pet peeve I have ever had in my professional career.I specifically noted that there was NO threat, veiled or otherwise and I meant precisely that. That said, the unfortunate fact is that there are a lot of lawyers out in the world who will litigate any side of any issue - justified or not - at the drop of a hat, and those lawyers actively search for their ‘next job’. I prefer that no one let their personal feelings about any issue get them in problems, thus the "simple comment" and the "word to the wise". I’ve never ‘nuanced’ my words – in fact, if anything, my writing is too much of a ‘wysiwyg’.Certainly there has been litigation against Team National. I work for a major company in my regular 8-5 job and it has had litigation posted against it multiple times. Sears and JC Penny and Wal-Mart have been litigated against. McDonalds was sued for having hot coffee. People have been sued because their dog left a 'gift' on some suit-happy clown's lawn, for heaven's sake! (And man, would I ever be in trouble if I had a neighbor like that!) So, take my comment at face value - don't read more into it than I said, because nothing more than what I said was meant.It's just simple, unfortunate fact. There are people out there that look for an excuse to sue someone else or some company.The length of time I've been involved with TN is moot simply because I don't work at making money with the program. I bought the membership for the savings, not for a job. I've saved between $4,000 and $6,000 during that time, just on what I'd have bought, regardless of whether I had belonged to Team National or not. I don't mind saving money. That's why I bought in to the organization. Like I said, I have made a little money and have done so without trying - just incidental to being in the program. In addition, both of my children, both of my brothers and my Mom can use the program as well, and have done so on occasion.I'm not taking anything personal. I only ask that people treat other persons and companies as they would wish to be treated themselves - with integrity, honor and fairness. Those are old-fashioned concepts I know, but ones that are vital to civilized society. Somehow I don't believe that is 'getting carried away'.The emphasis on the concept of family within Team National is extreme, however, I must venture that if a member thinks the company is as important as their children, that person should reevaluate either their position with the company or their relationship with their children and make appropriate adjustments where necessary. Sometimes people's priorities get out of whack. Then again, neither of us know how the children treat the parents. The relationship factor is not something either of us can determine.
Thanks for the comment, Although the original content of "this hub" may seem a bit biased against Team National, I have no problem with the company other than I personally Think it is a 2000 dollar coupon book, I have met many that are very happy with TN, My coworker is a member and a great supporter of it, we go back and forth at work constantly on this, I make fun of TN, he makes fun of all the online work I do. So it is no big deal, I really just put blogs out with my personal opinions, not for use as some fact finding research for anyone, I have thought of editing this particular site several times, but that would go against my basic laziness hahahaa... Have you seen bigcrumbs yet?
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another hub i built here, Abit less negative towards others.
I am truly happy that you feel your investment in tn was worthwhile.. keep banging the drum and thanks for putting the time into defending your company and beliefs.
thanks
I have friends in TN and they do ok with it, but I myselfe like free. I have time to find deals while I'm at work. So far none of my friends in TN could get a better deal than I. Thats why I became a member of morts option. I have to tell ya its simple and direct. So look for some extra $$$$ from me in the near future mort.
I just did a 2 day research on TN and called alot of the companies that are suppose to give you discounts thru this program....NONE had ever heard of TN. I called corporate on all of them. I called the FTC and they are assuring me it is a mlm scheme. Although legal, but still designed in such a way that it is almost impossible to make the money they claim. These are my opinions based on facts I have gathered in the 2 days I searched. I have talked to people that were in this for a while and they said it was the biggest mistake of their lives. You CAN get these discounts just by going to the company of your choice directly,. So, the $2195.00 you just paid only made Mr. Loeher richer, it did not help you at all.
Why do people fall for the "I have my own business" scam when really you are just a VAR value added reseller for their products. If you build a huge distribution channel for TN and someday it just wants to close shop your screwed. It is not your own business, you make no upper management decision making power. Wake up freaks!
Again, what we have here is someone that either doens't know what's going on or is too ignorant to get all the information and facts. In two years with TN my household has saved over $15K. The first day in TN I saved over $450 on to pair of glasses at Lenscrafters. It is always the people that don't want to follow the system. The company EVEE tells you, "If you don't see yourself saving at least a $1.00 a day, don't get involved!" The company would not still be in business after 10 years if it were "just a scam". This site is just someone that wnats you to buy into HIS program. Check the company's rating with D&B, BBB, DSA etc. Get the facts before you go off making inappropriate remarks.
Hey Lance, You said "again" does that mean there are a lot of people that think tn is joke? just google it and you have to go through 6 pages to find a favorable review of the program... And I dont care that your modified spending has saved you 15k, what unnesesary crap did you buy to get it? Screw the BBB it is a scam as well, and your God Dick Loeher is a car salesman... When I saw the presentation nobody told me "if i dont save a dollar a day dont get involved"
Hey, I dont care if you are happy w/ it, but my programs are free and do the same thing as far as savings... Dont come in here and argue the savings when I can do it for free, If you would have argued the earning potential by selling the tn crap, then that would have been more appropriate.. But I will just be content with the rest of us ignorant people that dont want to sell a 2000 dollar coupon book to family and friends....
I have read your entire blog...pros and cons...As with all things written, we CAN LEARN from your endeavor here. Very briefly, I am not sure how the 'coupon book' idea came to you...Actually, the retail merchants that are accessed through a TN member's web site offer NO discount per se...that is clearly present OR should be in any business overview or presentation...the "SAVINGS" comes through commissions PAID BACK to the TN member for shopping...the MAJOR savings with TN comes from using the BUYING CLUB to purchase homes, automobiles, motorcycles, communications (cell, long-distance, internet, VOIP, etc) and to weed through and choose a BETTER/CHEAPER insurance product, etc...IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE...If you don't like to research a bit for the BEST BUY and don't like to shop on-line (ALTHOUGH, LOCAL merchants can and are fast becoming members of TN and offer other TN members LOCAL DISCOUNTS in their brick and mortar store)...then, maybe it's NOT for you. The thing that impresses me DAILY with TN (I have been involved 19 months) is the genuine attitude of kindness and care for the success of EVERYONE in TN...the friends I have made, the relationships I have developed and the HELP I have given others that is changing their lives is PRICELESS to me! With the involvement of 5 generations of your family for MANY years to come, the PRICE is mere pennies per day...the SAVINGS and IF you choose to participate, the INCOME can be astronomical (not without work, but it's there!) If you take advantage of the membership, use the benefits, TEST IT...there is absolutely no way to lose! You have the right to your opinion, even though you have not be properly educated regarding TN, it seems you gleaned enough to form an improper opinion but not enough to speak intelligently about the company...but I shall pray daily for your co-worker until he is 'delivered' from his J-O-B. Good luck with your free opportunity...may the best man win!
I too joined TN back in 2005. I've shown it over 50 times and only sold 1 premium package. Personally I believe it is a matter of choice if you find the system to be an advantage, I have found it is not for me and although I've saved a few dollars here and there, it certainly did NOT return to me the money I paid to get into it. Furthermore, it is a very 'close' organization so you spend much of your time with your Team members and attending functions. Yes a LARGE majority of your time is going to be spent 'running down' prospects. I suspect I lost a couple of friends because they got sick of hearing me talk about. I found personally TN did NOT benefit me and infact literally ran me down physically trying to continually call and get people to see the value. Best to really see TN through a clear vision when you are approached.. Another words unless you don't care how much time you spend on this endeavor or how fast you build your team, or how much money you make, you ARE going to spend a LARGE majority of your time on the phone and in person with your prospects. (Just like any other sales position.)
To Navia, and commited tn member,
Thanks you for not calling me names and attacking, finally!!!!
To commited, If people like you would have come out at the start and gave the reasonable arguments and the pros of tn, I may have reconsidered, but after being called an idiot, an asshole and stupid, for posting an opposing view to a "company" I could never now. I got so much anger directed towards me from this (poorly written) hub, that even spilled over onto other forums, that I became very tired of the battle, and If you notice a couple post up, I seem to have lost my temper with someone...
thanks again commited
mort
navia
Thats about the standard fare for the friends that I have that were or are involved, even the most die hard are growing weary of the mlm game
thanks navia, and sorry
mort
Just Curious, How is BigCrumbs doing for you? How does it compare to MPM? Would love to hear your thoughts.
Mpm has some growing pains right now.. But with anything there are flaws.. I have saved money and made money as expected with them but some of the percentages are a bit lower than expected... Bigcrumbs is kind of a new issue with me, Very good business model, and a much more user friendly site.. plus the ebay kickbacks, make it worht it to me..
Hey look!! everybody, I said something about mpm that was not all positive, I can see faults in a lot of things I am invovled in and not afraid to say it, unlike some tn loyalist.
mort
hey, guys .....i just stumbled across this site... I was intruduce to tn in May 07. I have been very pleased with TN. I went with the 2195 package. Within two weeks I saved $218 on a pair of eye glass!! WE have saved..so far $328. I also have shared it with a few friends...And recoverd more that the cost of package.
Navia .......just wondering if u were useing ths system that the company has?? I have made more friends that anything....I spend about 10 min. a day on prospects...useing the system:] Have made some of those $1,500 checks.
Thanks houndmaster, I like your style, more flys with honey than vinegar. congratulations on your success, and continued success to you. I still have some issues with TN, but the attitude here is a lot better now.
Team National offers its members a chance to save money or earn commision back on things they would be buying anyway. We are under no pressure to buy anything we don't want. We also don't have to share the plan, but I don't know many people who could keep this to themselves. I certainly would not keep this from the people I love most. Honestly, I would share this information for free, so the compensation plan, to me, is a perk. Team National is a member of the Chamber of Commerce, the Better Business Bureau, and they are registered members of Dunn and Bradstreet. I would think that speaks to their integrity as a company. They are family owned and operated. I've never seen anything that compares to Team National. They offer savings on cars, furniture, jewelry, communications, merchant accounts (for businesses), etc, and coming in March 2008, we can even save money on closing costs on buying and selling homes! They have a website affiliate program with over 100 stores that offer us commission on purchases (I used to spend my money and never expected any money back. With Team National, I get some of it back!). There is also a local Business Exchange. Local business owners who are also Team National members offer other members discounts on their goods and services. If I need my piano tuned, a new roof, a heating or A/C unit, etc, I look to see who will offer me a discount on the Business Exchange. I don't know any other company that offers all this! I hope everyone will keep an open mind and check out Team National today. I can also extend my benefits to my children, grandchildren, parents, and grandparents, for their lifetimes. This is the best thing I ever did for my family.
wow, was that copy paste from the tn website or what? Have you even read the whole post or were you just eager to spout the same thing that 20 other people already have? "best thing you ever did for your family?" wow!!!! thats silly.
My wife and I joined Team National about 3 months ago, we immediately saved $1000.00 on our Auto insurance. We have made several purchases online and have recieved commission checks just for buying thigs we were already going to buy. After sharing this with just a few friends, we got a couple of those comma checks ($1500.00). We are REALLY excited about TEAM NATIONAL!!!
Navia,
This membership is no diffrent than having a Sam's Club Membership....your not going to save ANY money unless you use it.
REMEMBER...Nothing in life is FREE..and if it is, you REALLY don't want it.
The difference is about 2000 bucks
My wife and i got involved in Team national as a way to save money on things we were already buying. That is a pretty typical statement not taken from the website, but very true. I bought a premium benefits package for $2195. it covers my family, parents, grandparents and up to 5 employees. ( I am a business owner) The business exchange offers premium benefits package owners national exposure on the business exchange website. This alone would cost $2195 YEARLY. We have saved thousands and made a few comma checks. For the naysayers out there this business isn't for everyone and it's probably not for you. Simply put, if you don't see the benefit in the savings for your family don't sign up. God bless.
All the discounts are cj.com, and I will not be signing up. What is the Business exchange website? Can I check its alexa rank or its daily traffic?
On another note, The mean spirited attacks from the TN loyalist have stopped!!!
Please Continue the attacks, as it improves traffic and I enjoy it.
Morti,
You have a nice little website here. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the posts. What a wealth of information. I like to see how you skillfully push TN loyalists buttons, and they respond just like the keys on my keyboard. It is amazing to see how easy it is to influence people in one way or another. I am indifferent to the actual topic being discussed, but like to hear all perspectives. I encourage all who read and write in these posts to be subjective, not many things are black and white, most things are gray. Gain as much information as possible before you make a choice. TN supporters, Morti likes the fight. Morti, fire it up!
Hey thanks for the info on TN. A friend asked me about looking at some info on it and after reading everything on your sight and others iv decieded to get some more info on it from her. So far she hasnt been pushy at all. She just told me about it, just told me about it, and gave me a 800 number to listen to. Ill let you know how it turns out.
This site is just like all the others, your a person that had all of these opinions but no real experience. I hate you people why on earth should i listen to your bullshit, you speak about all of these wrongs that are supposedly happening while your are just the person who isnt making money. The bad thing is im not part of team national, i have just been looking into it, i study the US economy, and accounting concepts, and i can see that this company contains the ability to make people a good source of income. But people like you who expect something for nothing start websites for people to read to make yourself feel better about your shit whole of a life. Im sorry to anyone who thinks im being to critical, but thats whats wrong with this country, everyone one is to worried about other peoples feeling and are afraid to understand of hear the truth. Dont think that everthing you read on the net is real, my best friends dad had only been a member of team national for a month and is making 1800 a month extra income, he is planning on useing this for his retirement. So to who ever made this site and to those who support it... fuck you and fuck off...quit crying and get a job, or move to Iraq and cry with all the other special intrest groups about how shitty your life is while others are being used!
Hey asshole, I have job, I have been to Iraq, your welcome for that, and thanks for the traffic, and you obviously are a member of tn, because nobody would come at me with that kind of attack so passionately and not be a member. You sir can go to hell and next time man up with a link toy your site so I can critique it, send all your friends here to, you should get a life, and I hope you invest in tn and tank your marriage and life. (That only goes for you) not the rest of the peole in team national that I have no personal problem with.
once again thanks for the traffic. dork
Stephen, I have a question, what is a person that lives just northwest of cape gireadeu missouri between 55 and 34 highway want with team national anyway? I will email you later, hahaha, I know you! quit messing with my articles you prankster.. hahaha lol!!! Call Me!!!!
So I looked at the DVD with my husband (who was not happy about watching it) and then did some research. Found out that they were telling the truth when they said they were members of the Better business bureau, the chamber of commerce, and the DSA (direct selling association) now I didn’t really know what the Direct selling association really was so I started doing some checking on that and it turns out that it’s a company that is really hard to become a member of. Any company that is a member has to abide by a code of ethics. Witch ensures that member companies will make no statements or promises that are misleading or might be misleading to either consumers or prospective sales people. It also says that pyramid schemes are illegal and that any company operating as a pyramid is not permitted to be a member. It also states that the DSA Code of Ethics is enforced by an independent code administrator who is not connected with any member company. This really impressed me.
So needless to say after looking into all of it me and my husband purchased a package a few weeks ago and a few days later I found out I could save $220.00 on our home insurance. And im very exited about the commission ill get from shopping online as im an avid online shopper. I already have 3 people that iv told about it too who were interested in it and signed up also and a couple of them have signed up some people and im one away from getting a $1,500 check.
No this company isn’t for every one. But im really glad I looked into it myself and formed my own opinion rather then taking the word of strangers. And that the advise I would give others. Do your homework and your own investigating and make an educated decision. Every one has there own experiences some have good some have bad. One bad experience doesn’t make the whole of that thing bad. I had a checker in Wal-mart be very rude to me, that doesn’t mean every checker in every Wal-mart are rude.
See no bashing on Mort just a different opinion. That’s what’s so cool about this nation, we are all entitled to one.
Take care
Thanks for the comment jen, I hope you do well with it, as I have seen a couple successes with tn, although I have seen more fail, it does not mean I dont think someone can do quite well with it. If your savings add up, then good fortune to you.
And, jen, I have had no bad experiences with tn, I have just formed an opinion based on what I learned from the presentation and many friends that are invovled, So just because I am not a member does not mean I cannot form an opinion, correct?
Absolutely Mort. Just like two different people that are in it can have two different experiences and opinions of it. It works that way with almost everything in life.
I think it has a lot to do with positive attitude and not giving up. But again that’s just my opinion.
All I know is that my husband and I have been married now for 12 years have 4 children and are no better off now then we were when we first got married. He has a great job with good raises every year but we never seem to be able to get ahead. We are always living pay check to pay check and we decided that if we wanted that to change we had to be willing to make a change a risk even. (Yes I said risk I know that not every one that does this well be successful there are those that will sign up for it and do absolutely no work expecting riches to just fall in there lap, or those that just cant get past the nervousness they get when calling someone about looking at it) So after researching and investigating we are taking that risk and keeping a positive attitude.
Take care.
Hi Thanks for the big crumbs site. Its cool. I have shopped and bought stuff for a couple of months now but no check? How long does it take to pay. I found a site that where another person has bought for 6 months and gotten no money back. Also there was someone that recreuited 4 others and they got nothing for that. I thought it was easy?
Help..
thanks
shopperholic
Bc pays to paypal on a 60 day out, so you get paid every month for two months ago, make sense? Well they do pay and I am doing fairly well, the other site you mention may be mpm and they have a few issues at the moment but are paying. No one said it was easy, nothing is easy, My contention is that I can get most of the same deals offered through team national for free and make a few extra bucks as well. The only thing I cannot beat that tn has is the furniture, but I will discover it soon. You cannot argue with me on the savings, the only thing tn has on me is the ability to sell for 2k what is available to the world for free, so that makes it a bit of a weird issue for me. You even have to pay for the website at tn.
good luck
I agree ,Big Crumbs is definitely the way to go. It's really great to accumulate savings on my online purchases every month ,then to actually get paid on time is even better. My referrals shopping has also added to my nice little pot every month! They're happy because they're making and savings too. And it didn't cost us a penny to join!
Big Crumbs Rocks!
FrankL
I just got a $1,800 check! $1,500 for my 10 and 10 and $300 for the 3 people i hosted. Just $400 to go and i will have made what i invested in less then a month. I also went on line and purchased my kids summer clothes and will recieve a $150 commision check from that, And my husband is going out of town on business next week so we went on line to restrants. com and purchased GC, most were $25 for $10 plus we get 25% commision from them, and we will get reimbursed from his work for the full $25! We purchased about $150 worth. and paid $60 for them plus we get 25% commision so we just made money! Hope all of you are having as much fun shopping as i am. And big crubs sound interesting. Think ill check it out and compare.
Take care.
Sounds like you are doing good!!! Congatulations!!
Hey Jen Where are you located? Are you coming to Florida to see Robert Fason?
Mortimas,
I know this sounds really weird, but thank you for your hub, here. I actually just joined TN last Friday and your site actually helped me to feel a little more solid about that decision. Kind of backwards, right?
But really, it helped me to read all of the differents points of view.
You make a good point about not paying any money to work with these other websites that you promote. I think that's excellent. Seriously, I think that's fantastic.
I am excited, however, about the possibilities of this program. For example, they are currently working on having their own credit union, where the card is hooked up to your account and the savings activated that way. Kind of a merger between the online savings and real-world savings. I don't know, that may sound silly, but I think it's a really innovative idea.
Plus, I am a lifetime prescription taker. The reason that this matters is because prescriptions are super pricey and TN is able to give you discounts on even those. Does your website do that? Seriously, I'm curious - I'm not trying to bait you, I swear.
I guess, what it comes down to is that I really think that discussions like this are helpful to pique curiosity on both sides, which ends up with a ton of information, thus a way more informed decision.
So, again, thanks. Maybe I'll come back here and let you know what the status is.
well, ln. believe it or not, I am not against the business plan of team national, I am on record as saying that the sales pitch is decieving, as in "Buy this for the savings" That alone is silly, A good marketor can turn tn into a financial windfall. A lot of people do not have 2k to drop on a savings program. I direct them to my programs and tell them, if they can produce results with a similar free product and feel confident then by all means do team national, but to buy it on the savings part is not a good idea, I have matched or beat every discount that tn has to offer, minus the furniture, but i am working on that. visit my site http://mortimas.com and try big crumbs for even more savings.
I noticed that you were not against the business plan, which is why I think that your post has more validity. Also, that you mentioned that you know people who have done well with the program and love it. And then vice versa, you know people who have tried it and are not happy. Like I said, a fairly rounded discussion.
I do know that you can finance the payment process, which is helpful for those who can't necessarily afford the program but want to be involved, but I do think that they should do what's right for them, as many have said throughout your post.
As far as comparing the savings for these free programs to that of TN, do you go through your friend to compare? I was just wondering how you do it, because I know a lot of the savings are more like rebates that you get back later. Just wondering.
And thanks for your response.
Hello all,
I thought you should check out this news story on MLM programs.. It is a 2 part series.
I did, and I am not sure what it is trying to tell me? That is all basic knowledge, check out the company blah blah, I never said tn was not legit, i just think it is overpriced.
Mort,
Did you look at the video's ?
yes i did, and it looked like a pretty good news artlcle about being careful when entering an mlm, common sense. Tn was showcased but that means nothing to me, I have sat through the tn presentation 3 times and have very good friends that are involved and also invovled with my opportunities, it is almost a contest to see who can save the most, not resell packages which I am not interested in.
ok, did some research again, brightcove.com is an ad agency, so the team national story was merely a promotion paid for by team national, so no valid news there, just the same as the success from home magazine which is a paid advertisement but promoted to potential customers as success magazine which is entirely different, lots of shell games going on with tn just let the product stand on its own.
Mort,
It was an objective news story which really wasn’t about National at all. It was about multi-level marketing and merely used National as an example. And it certainly didn’t endorse National…or any multi-level marketing platform for that matter
Money Talks is a consumer/personal finance news feature that airs three times a week within local TV newscasts all over the country.
Mort,
What's up? You didn't post my last response are you filtering your hub?
Mort,
My grandmother is a BIG TN supporter and probably makes $50k a year selling it. She countinely attempts to pressure me into buying into TN. I always change the subject and move on because I can supposedly enjoy all of the saving through her membership. But I have noticed everytime I go to buy something it always turns out to good to be true. Furniture great price, but no way to touch the furniture to be sure of the quality and the shipping rates were higher than the actual cost of the furniture last time I checked. Thus negating any savings. My grandmother despite her complete and total fatih in TN has never made a big ticket purchase either. She always find a better deal somewhere else, which she claims as just getting lucky. She is happy doing it and I want her to be happy. I just wish TN members would relieze that TN is not for everyone and when I turn you down do not attempt to make me feel stupid. That's why most people who do not join, pass up TN, because they really sell no products and if its really that great then why the high pressure sales pitch?
Hey Mort-
Just jumping back in to say (didn't read all the comments)...TN is an awesome opportunity. We have made a considerable income and savings of over $18,000 so far in our 4 yrs. It is a really great passive income and I have a full time career so I was not spending hours at this. My husband is a huge believer in multiple streams of income and Network Marketing is the way for most people to do that. How many people do you know that can afford Real Estate anymore? it's very sad. :(
Anyway, If you have such a bad taste in your mouth about TN...obviously you were not shown the opportunity properly. Unfortunately, there are many IMD's out there who are just "excited" and don't have the back-up from their upline or are just plain "bad salesman". Some are ultra pushy, but how many pushy salespeople do you like? (even in a furniture store) For us, We have never joined any network marketing groups because my husband speaks & trains at many different seminars for different Network Marketing companies. He saw how they worked and talked with many of the leaders from these companies to understand their concepts and pay structure. When he saw this opportunity (trust me, he spent over 8mo looking at this), he really knew it was different and joined!
TN is an amazing opportunity. You must sell. You must be able to close. You must be open minded to changing your lifestyle. You must believe in the opportunity. Without those things no one will be successful in ANY company you choose. There is no "free". The $2100 membership we paid back in 04 has loooong since been paid back....just in savings. I pay over $150 per year in memberships at places like Sams or Costco...I don't make money from them, I just spend a fee to get their savings (essentially the same as TN...but TN have BIGGER savings and services) We make a great income from our regular income streams so we did not join for the income. After our savings, I realized that this could help lots of my friends and I did start referring it. I am the only one working TN and I took a break for 2yrs and STILL get checks! (now 3 kids later). My friends are all still happy members of TN. My friend just saved over $42THOUSAND dollars on new school/office furniture for her music school. Pretty impressive for a $2195 investment 3 yrs ago wouldn't you say? (she never worked the business side)
Work is work. Nothing is free. Nothing is "easy". If you put time, effort and study into ANY business and have determination...you will succeed in ANY business. TN is just easier to do because it's an easy concept and the things they offer EVERYONE needs. Savings on all insurance, Employee bennies, etc etc.
TN is an amazing opportunity and it would be better left for people to talk about when you have correct information, not just based off of your unfortunately bad experience with it. I'm not saying it's all roses, hey...I have had my challenges with it as well for different reasons (training is one of them)....but any opportunity can be nit-picked until you turn someone off from a perfectly great opp! If you are smart, you will see through the "excitment" phase and really dissect the opportunity and concept...HUGE. It can easily be presented wrong if you have no one to explain it well.
Have a great night and I do want to thank you (by the way) for serving our country! I salute you with the most highest honor and sincere gratitude! We have lost a great friend recently in an attack over there back in Dec and you men & women are amazing.... Thanks!
thanks for the comment, I am really not that hard on tn, and my opinion is what it is, just mine. I do not feel the need to try tn before forming an opinion, I have good sources... I have actually directed certain people to my tn rep friend and they have signed up and done well, these were aggressive marketing types and were suited for tn,, EXPERT MLMers... You can make money with tn and thanks for being honest about having to "work at it" that is the truth with everything... Its hard to buy into something when the salesman is saying things like "All you have to do is show your friends and family and you will make a lot of money" I am still not a fan of the "savings offered" The only thing I cannot beat with a little research is the furniture, but I like to sit in a chair before I buy it... Thanks again for the excellent comment.
If you could spend a dollar today to save twenty tomorrow, wouldn't you do it. Team National is a great opportunity, and in ten years when you see that other people did well where you didn't even try, how will you feel? It is very simple to save and make a ton of money in this business. The economy is steadily getting worse, but Team National is getting better, so wouldn't it be nice with a winning team?
I will feel fine, I dont want to sell a 2k mlm, sorry......
Morti,
Thanks for the fine site. A friend has told me about this company and I have gotten all the information I need to respond. I was burned by the Amway MLM and the purchase of "optional" tools to build your business. I wonder who pays for all the DVD's that are handed out? Or is that free along with all the promotional "get-togethers" to "learn the business". I became quite passionate when I was in the "Life" and lost all my friends, my family stopped inviting me for visits and I lost my house. I hope this will help other people to please be careful about what they get themselves into.
Lasarus
Mortimas -
Enjoyed *most* of the posts here!
Disclosure - in TN, slowly building (we have a 10 year retirement goal).
Overall, TN has been good for us on the savings side (income is coming along - can't ever make money fast enough right? :-) ). The only major purchase we have made has been having a baby (ok, not really a purchase . . . :-) ). What i mean by this is we had purchased a supplemental insurance policy through TN prior to getting pregnant which ended up being a HUGE blessing as it more than covered all our bills (deductibles, co-pays, etc.) for the c-section. Woudn't have even considered such a policy had we not been in TN. Then of course there have been savings on eyeglasses, auto and life insurance (we thought we had good premiums . . .), and the list goes on.
What appears to the primary yardstick against which TN is "judged" is what is called the "Big N Marketplace", which is simply a way to earn, in most cases, a very small commission back from various online retailers, basically a link-referral site (not sure if terminology is correct). This is the most minor of the 6 different ways of earning money with TN, and if this is all a person were joining for, I would have to question them ever making enough commissions to justify the purchase of the package. Granted, a business who routinely purchases thousands of dollars of office supplies would be able to save it over time, but probably not the average household. From what I could tell, this is similar to your bigcrumbs site (the few %'s I compared were virtually identical as well if you add the bigcrumbs referral+commission)
As you have inferred above, TN also offers great pricing on things such as furniture, flooring, new and used cars, motorcycles, boats, RV's as well as jewelry, etc., etc., etc. Overall an abundance of options on which to save money and making the purchase of the premium package a no-brainer in my mind.
This said, TN is without a doubt a MLM and a great way to make money should a person be so motivated. My personal feelings on MLM is they (not limited to TN!) are phenomenal ways to change a person's future. At the same time, if a person expects to sign up 1 person, and then sit back and make 6 figures without lifting a finger ever again, they are going to be sorely disappointed. This, in my opinion is what gives MLM a bad name, a person signs up, works for a day or two (maybe gets a no - ahhhhhh!) and suddenly, MLM's are of the devil and don't work - boohoo. In other words, if you are looking to get rich without working (hard!), look elsewhere! Baby's, whiner's, sluggards and complainers need not apply.
TN primary attractiveness to us in terms of referring it is the fact there are no products you have to pump (we tried vitamins previously and man did we get tired of trying to explain why it was better than the next!). There is simply a saving's package - 1 purchase, 1 time forever with no product requirements (we were spending > $150/mo with the vitamin company). Anyone who is being pushy with TN is definitely NOT in line with corporate/sales leadership philosophies and it is unfortunate people do it. Corporate is pretty vigilant in investigating allegations of misrepresentation and has kicked out numerous IMD's for making outlandish claims, etc. As for Dick Loehr (recently passed away), to characterize him as merely a "used car salesman" is pretty low. If you've seen the presentation 3 times, you know better than that. Based on some of your rather "fiery" responses earlier, I actually think you would have appreciated the man. My favorite line of his was when he was going to be praying at the convention - "if saying the Lord's Prayer offends you, then get the hell out. It's my company and I'll pray when and where I want". If only we had more leaders like him.
My 2 cents.
It is sad when someone is so hell bent on making a company or program look bad that they lie out wright and give false information about something they have not truly looked into. I joined Team National 12 months ago. We have truly tracked $10,000 in savings already. We train everyone we host or anyone hosted by our team how to properly use the savings.
We had e member buy a bedroom set that they had search all over the webb for and the best price they could find was $8,100 and $600 to ship it. At Team National they paid $3,065 and got it shipped for $300. I might not have a masters Degree but where I come from that is about a $5,000 savings. My wife got new glasses and they gave her the bill and it was $700 when she showed them her card from team national( that one they say no one knows about) she got $300 taken off the bill.We got a new member on or team 2 weeks ago and this week his dishwasher went out through the local business exchange he got it replaced and after shopplng everywhere you could buy one from sears to lowes to home depo he saved $200 with a local member. He has already saved $2200 in his 2nd week in Team National with a membership that last a life time( and no you dont have to pay $2000 every 2 years like the bloggers say) $2,195 one time period.
We have a large team in just one year and they are all saving money if they choose to.
On the income side it is also real. In Feb. 2008 my wife started working part time with me building our team. On June 5th 2008 she turned in her company car and we had replaced a 6 figure income that had taken her over 20 years to build in just4 short months. Team National is no differnt than being self employed in any business, you get paid what you are worth and there are alot of people looking for that magic been that is going to make them Rich. It is not out there you are going to have to get your butt out of the easy chair and go to work and most people are not willing to do that. This is also the same reason they are where they are even if they never saw Team national. ( Where else does that show up in your life) Bottom line is that Team National is the best thing going anywhere we Have saved alot of money and so has our team and we are making an income that most only dream of and all of this in less than 12 months.
What the bloggers want tell you because it herts is that the member that host you is RESPONSABLE TO YOU NOT FOR YOU) and that is why everyone does not make money and save money. Put your head in the sand and never learn how to use the program or just dont use it or tell anyone else about it and then cry on line saying it does not work is a JOKE. You can tell by my poor spelling I do not have a collage degree, and even I AM SAVING LOTS OF MONEY AND MAKING LOTS OF MONEY!!! So stop bitching get out your easy chair and go save and make lots of money!!
1 noone offered me training, 2 it is sad when you spout the same exact crap I have heard ten thousand times before. And do not tell me how to go out and bust my butt and make money, I am doing fine, No one here is crying that it does not work, I am sure it does for some people, maybe you being one of them..... Your company is so good that my stupid little blog here beats the bign website out on google, hahaha.... And finally, read the whole damn article and comments thread before you run your mouth... thanks
I am being hounded by TN people! I think I have told them NO about 11 times in the past 2 years. They do not take no for an answer! I am not a big consumer so it has NO benefit to me - no plans to buy furniture, electronics, jewerly, etc. I absolutely hate MLM and have NO extra time that I would want to devote to hounded other people. I own 3 successful businesses and have no desire to dilute my focus. I want to spend my free time reading and playing with my animals. But they still keep calling and trying to get me on a webinar. Over and over AGAIN! Will garlic work?
Wait untill they tell you that you would be stupid not to bu it, then just admit your stupidity, or you can cite lack of faith or tell them that you have several mlm programs that you would like to show them, or try to get them to finance it for you... I do not know what the magic formula is, because they do not take no for an answer. I have been been approached even through this website and http://mortimas.com another anti tn site and they still think I will buy it.... No thanks does not seem to work... but God love an aggressive salesman I cannot hold it against anyone that tries hard, and I wish them all the luck, just have not seen the great wealth that is promised.
I've seen the great wealth and will soon be experiencing it for myself. Any business is what you make it. If you work 40+ hours at a job, how is that different than someone who works TN for that length of time? I'll tell you, he's making a six-figure income. Can you do that with your job? This company made nearly $200 million last year and is destined to be a billion dollar company. And it's going with or without you or me. I would suggest before you throw out anymore vile rumors against this company that you get off of the wikipedia-type sites (sites to which anyone can add info) and go to legitamite ones such as the Direct Selling Association, Dunn & Bradstreet, & the BBB of Florida. Look up TN there.
As far as a MLM, funny how I know of people who have others in their downline making more than they do. It's what you make it. I also know of many who are full time stay at home moms and dads who are home every day with thier children. They can take their families to any destination at any time of the year. Will your job ever give you that freedom?
As for the training, all you have to do is get off the negative attitude and ask the person who showed you the program. He, or an upper member of his team, will be happy to show you the PROVEN system that has made many very comfortable pocket book wise without the hassle of going to a J-O-B every morning.
By the way, the checks cash and I plan to make even more of them.
goingplatimum?, shutup, read the comments above you and realize that you are spouting the exact brainwashed line that some of them are, if you are going to come after me with something, at least make it something new. see above for any appropriate response to your ridiculous company cheer leading, make your money have fun, get a life, but untill you can produce your own thought then keep it to yourself. vile rumor, my ass!!! you dickface, read the article, it was MY experience with them. And I could care less if some guy at the top of his game makes six figures in sales, I do not want to sell your dipshit product, and I would look up Team national on those other sites, but every time I google team national, this poorly written hubpage is all up in your face, can one of you people put something out on the web that can beat this site out of the top three? no did not think so, I am taking it all out on you because that is the only way you people learn, team national is B.S., call me when you are making six figures, of course it will be at the expense of your family and friends, btw the people that originally showed it to me, were selling their asses of and broke down the hours they worked at itplus the money they spent to go to the b.s. seminars and time away from their kids and guess what, it was not worth it to them. good luck with your dumb company there, go platinum
Hey guys the reason that mortimas is saying allof this is because we are responding to it. What have we learned throught TN not only do we need growth finicaly but we also must show personal growth as well. We have been tought our whole lfe to belive in the NEG- stuff of this world but with the oppertuities that we have in this country we should look fo the POS+ stuff look MORTIMAS i am a TN member and yes just like the many have told you I have been successful with this company I am sorry for all of you that feel lke you where pushed or pressrued into looking at TN that's not what it is about it is much more at least it is to me and my family. I have a huge dream and that is to help others in need and to build a community center here in my town and the only way for me to do that by TN so mortimas if you can look pass all the NEG- Stuff that I have read from top to bottom my question then is what are your DREAMS and Goals and are you living your life or are you just expceting life. In the movie poloar express Tom Hanks says something that brought meaning to me in life not just TN, " All trains are the same, the only hard part is deciding to get on." thats life I think Life is like a train ready to take you anywhere you want to go you however must decide to get on or wait for the next one to come along. once again I am sorry for all the NEG- stuff that has come from TN members here we should NO BETTER. SORRY FOR THE MISSPELLINGS James Patrick
Willis, Texas
1sam 2:30
I was approached today by a TN recruiter. Seems like a really nice guy and had me talk to several of his upline. But after doing a bit of investigation it seems to me that the "savings program" is just an excuse to collect the $2,195 membership fee that apparantly gets kicked "up." ;-) I have never seen an MLM program that seems more like a pyramid scheme than this one.
I am not an anti-MLM person, but the TN bonus checks just don't seem to add up to me. My recruiter told me that the retailers that I will buy from pay me a commission for purchasing the products through them. I looked through the entire Web site and found nothing about this. I think he may have been fibbing about this.
Tell You What my email is Joemoody3@hotmail.com contact me when you want the facts. And to sell team national you dont have to join up it's free the only thing it costs is sweat and gas. But if you dont want to work hard to make a new life then stick with scheme jobs who rip others off. I have a buddy who bought the two year plan and spent like 40 bucks a month for two years and he has already saved nine thousand bucks between a new boat a used jeep and jewlery for his wife. get real man. you bash stuff you dont understand when you should just ask the facts from omeone who knows.
To everybody else. Look at the website talk to members in your area or whatever the fact is it aint easy nothing is. if you cant talk to people you aint gonna make it work. if you believe in the program and yourself try it it's free anyways so why not try.
heard it all before Joe. I am not in the market for a boat right now, so I will pass.... Good luck
Team National is nothing but a pay to play MLM. This benefit package they praise is absolutly worthless. I went to an overview last month and I was so alarmed by the tone of this 'conference'. With all the preaching and crap it reminded me more of a fundamentalist christian revival than anything. It is clear and evident Team National preys on peoples emotions than anything promising the weak that Team National will save them and make them grow and be better people (as long as you buy their product) ... and make you rich to boot. They seemed to keep insisting that everyone attend another conference in the late winter (winter nationals .. I think) for the big unveiling of a new product. By the tone of the conference I was at I bet they are going to guaranty you soul into heaven. People ... if you are religious in any way please pray a long time before you join this cult. This is not a business solution it just seemed like another self-help power session pushing a 'business system' that is worthless ... folks if you really need this stuff I recommend getting a therapist ... it probably would be cheaper in the long run.
concerned-1, I am putting this comment on my main website... thanks!!!!
So according to you, you do all the work that TN says they provide?... Can you get good deals on Mary Kay? Avon? Pampered Chef? they too have the same marketing as TN? Does that mean they are a scam?
TN is like the middle man to savings...Why would I want to spend all that time doing research for a good deal when I can go thru the website? YOu might have nothing better to do than to sit and get carpel tunnel but I dont have that kind of time. I have better things to do... We All Pay for the middle man in some way. I respect your opinion, however I hope you dont forget the great country you live in to be able to do whatever it is you do to sit around and complain. If you have this much time on your hands wouldnt it be better served helping people that may not be able to help themselves? You must not have a significant other... there is a big world out there, a sun, a moon, the stars, life itself maybe you should go and take time to find a good deal on that...
shut up... stupid ass..D... it cst 2300, why would Anyone pay that... and f-you, I dont sit around and complain, this blog took me 7 minutes to write 18 months ago, and of course we live in a great country.. where in anything I have said have you got that I am complaining about this country or taking a handout.. and dumbass.. I gave you the link to a website with all the savings research done for you.. and if you want to come on my blog and insult me, be prepared to be insulted backk.. what does me no having a significant other have to do with anything.. I have a great wife, not that is your biz.. dont tell me you respect my opinion aND THEn basically call me names.... back at you D-bag... when you wise up, comment again.. untill then go troll somewhere else... isnt it cool that this little blog beats out your TN website in any variation of a google search.... TN is a scam!!!!!! period.... cause I said!!!!
Sat through a TN session last night for the first time. Told the "Friend of a friend" who came over that I wanted to hear about it, but that they had 30 minutes to explain it to me. They sold the idea of coming over as "we are part of a large buying co-op, and want to tell you how to save money as well". Was not prepared for a 2 1/2 hour sales pitch complete with phone calls to people I do not know, the slick DVD sales pitch, etc. I threw in my thoughts that this sounded too much like a pyramid scheme for my liking, and immediately the hackles raised and my thoughts were deflected. My question is this: If I send in my $2195, plus the $75 per year to have a website, plus the 2 or 3 hundred for a "Geanology report" (so I can place people in my downline where I think they will make me the most money) what do I actually get from it? I have a house full of furniture! It's not like I go out and buy a whole new bedroom set every other month...
And if what I heard was correct, on the $2195 plan you have to buy at least $50 of their own name brand product (vitamins, auto additives, BBQ seasoning, etc) to maintain that membership.
Don;t get me wrong - we checked out Direct buy (BIG SCAM - over $5k to join for a 3 year period, and only you can use it, not your family plus it is all high end stuff that most people don't need anyway) and this is not much different. I guess if you really are into selling, and can use people's emotions to buy a membership / coupon book / affiliate site / whatever term you feel is best, by all means go for it. If you make money, more power to you.
The one positive (according to what i heard) is the local business exchange. If you need services for your house, there appear to be some pretty legit savings that can be had. That said, I suspect you can negotiate similar savings for yourself given these tough economic times.
Anyway, just some thoughts. Please don't flame me, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you are a member of TN, and are making money I applaud you for your willingness to take a chance and am glad that it worked. If you aren't, same to you...
Thanks for the chance to voice my 2 cents. I still have their business card, and may consider it in a month or 2 when I actually have $2200 that I don;t want to invest in a mutual fund that's on sale right now!
HAHA, I dont "flame" people that dont attack me first!!! :} Good luck with whatever you do!! :}
I thank you for what your doing mort,you've been at this for awhile.
At first it was very biast,but now its more of peoples opinions.Now if everyone else wants to curse and call people names to make your point seem stronger have fun haha.It doesnt do anything but make you sound even more ignorant to the situation.Try facts not...oh you dont like TN so your sooo stupid You dumb face...lol
Anyways Im thinking about joining TN due to the possibility to make money,It doesnt seem to hard if you put as much effort into it as you would a full time job.The first thing I was told is this is NOT a get rich FAST scheme that i have to work hard to make money and i fully intend to.And the savings is just a bonus seeing as im about to purchase a new living and bedroom suite Im going to save 3k dollars in the next week when i purchase these items.Kinda negates the 2195 ill be spending.
Thanks for the comment... I think..?
:} goodluck with it!!
So I joined TN and in 3 days I made my 1500 dollar check.
In no job in my life could I have made 1500 dollars in 3 days without extreme labor or something illegal.If I told you I would sell you 100 dollars a month for 33 dollars would you?I know it sounds like its right out of a commercial for them but its true.If you would just like to try selling for TN and not get the savings from the membership but still get the selling benefits you can.Send me an email at jake_hollis@hotmail.com You do NOT have to be a member to sell them and you can still make your money.I hope to get lots of emails from curious people because thats all it takes.One bit of curiousity to light a fire that will make you more money than you could ever imagine.
And anyone that STILL says this is a scam please tell me how its a scaam and ill show you every check I make from now on.
congratulations.... send me a scan of the check and I will post it... mortimas@gmail.com
ok... its been a week... email me a scan of the check and I will post it....
Hey Mort I Have Not The Time Or Inclination To Argue With You On A Subject You Only Have A Limited Knowledge About (TN) Most Intelligent People Get The Facts Before Going Off And Offering An Ill Informed Opinion About ANY Subject, I Would LikeTo Help You Get Completely Up To Speed And Have Firsthand Expert Knowledge On The Subject By Extending An Invitation To You To Be My Personal Guest At The Next National Convention In St.Louis June The 18th- 20th, It Would Be A Great Follow Up, It Is Also FREE For You To Attend The Event , Do Yourself A Favor And Say Yes You Will Attend, And Lets Stop All The Blasphemy on Both Sides Of The Issue! Or Are You Just Waiting To Be Exactly The Same As You Were Yesterday?
blasphemy... thats a good term to use when defending your issue... hahaha... most intelligent people dont fall for a 2100 dollar copon book either.... no thanks on the invitation.. and I am fine being just who I am..... good luck with the TN... will you send me a scan of a tn check? I can get nobody to do it..... not a rebate check though, because I can get those myself...
First of all, what coupon are you talking about? What i see and hear IS A COUPON. There is no coupon per say. This 2100 that you keep put out there, is for a life time of nothing about saveing and makeing money. As for Avon, Pamperchief and all the other money makeing gismos are selling items that you have to hall around. Going thru the hasstles of haveing to pack alot of stuff and putting in your car and throwing these partys. Where with TN you have either a disc or your lab top. Thats it! It not that much of a hasstle! As for the 2100 dollars that people are sooooo terrified of and not sure what this busisness is all about. Why don't you look at the smaller package that only is for the year. You can allways move up to the BIGGER package in a couple of months, which is the 2100... And which I know you'll want to get in to. Because like most people I know allways HELPS there kids or there parints, of other family members. The smaller package can't help family only yourself thats why partly it cost so much. Let me ask you something. Can you go out with your amediate family out to dinner and take your mom and other family members and only want to pay for you? No! You won't be mean like that. It would be nice to either help or pay the bill wouldn't it? Well the big package with TN you do just that. You take care of your family and help them save. Also well your makeing money. With TN you really are not a prisoner like at a job. With TN you can come and go when pleased. It only does take a short moment to explain the makeing the money and the saveings. As for spending 2 1/2 hours that someone was complaing about of talking about the company, I think that person thought they didn't understand what TN is all about. For the short time that I have been with TN. I really do like it. I finally can go on vacations to places that I couldn't afford or the time to go to. So how can I complain to that. So in closeing, dont think of the big 2100 to get in for life to help your family that people intend on needing and or wanting to do... Also there if you want to wet your feet a little bit and test the waters before diveing in try it for a year. But I know in a couple of months you'll want to go swiming in the deep in. Did I mention also that if your own busisness TN does help busisness owners. It sure helped me big time...
good, glad you are having a good time with it......the people I know, have had to put way more than a couple hours a week into it, in fact they were pushing 60 hours a week and still coming up short in the resale end of the biz.... so still.. no thanks... Good luck with it.
Well mortamus Thanks for hearing me out. With some people I guess it's not for you. It's like putting on a pair of size pants that you worn for many years. As the years go on and the callories... The same size of pants is just not for you anymore...lol
I get a kick outta discussions like this lol. I have to admit I only read like the first 10 or 15 comments, so if I'm saying something that's already been said I apologize. Mortimas is right on some points and the TNer's are right on some points. Yes, I am a TN member, but I have to admit it ain't all they hyped it up to be as far as making a ton of money. You can make a lot of money if you work it like a full time mlm business, getting people to sign up and then working with them so they can sign people up and so on, thus building a downline and all that. The compensation plan actually is pretty damn good. Personally, I couldn't get anyone to even come to one of the weekly overviews, and yes I tried doing everything my upline told me to do. I was never pushy about it, made the phone calls, played "baseball" and the whole bit. Eventually I gave up on signing anyone up and I just use the benefits when I can. The "coupon book" is indeed a bunch of affilliates that anyone can get for free, however (and I could be wrong) you have to have a website to put the links on and you'd have to pay for that, TN puts it all on your website which contains all your other TN stuff. The whole website is $75/year, the marketplace (coupon book) is just a small part of the website. I buy stuff through my website and so does some of my family, so it pays for itself. The big savings are in the furniture, I had my doubts at first, but I actually researched and compared prices and the stuff is really discounted tremendously. They also have products you can market if you're into that, and it compensates pretty good too. Okay I'm starting to sound like a salesman so I'll get to the cons now. I'm lucky enough to be close enough to drive to the furniture showroom, but if I had to have it shipped the shipping costs totally negate any savings. I checked on an electric heater that TN offers for about $180 (I looked around and it regularly sells for around $275 elsewhere), but to have it shipped would cost me $115, I could drive there in about an hour. What I think really sucks about TN is they only allow you to market it by word of mouth. You can't market it like you would any other mlm business. I could probably do pretty well with it if I could post ads on the internet, PPC and now Twitter and blogs and stuff like that, you know, modern marketing methods. I think the old ways of marketing (getting people to come to your house for overviews, phone calls that people hate, etc) are outdated and just don't work for most people, unless you're a really good salesman. I guess they don't want to get lumped in the same category as all the mlm scams that are around and I can understand that. I've about broke even I guess, I joined about 5 years ago, but I haven't signed up anyone. I do have about 12 people under me that other people signed up and placed under me, but it doesn't do me any good until I sign at least 2 people up and that's probably never gonna happen. TN is definitely not a scam, their "product" is actually good, but don't expect to get rich like they try to make you think. I guess I've said enough. I can understand Mortimas opinion, most people have the same opinion.
Your hilarious. You are being completely dishonest about what Team National is. You mentioned ethics in your article... that is so funny.
exactly how am I dishonest? This is an opinion piece, so take what you want.... good luck with your mlm
$2100 so you can save a little money here and there on what you purchase? Even if you get 10% back on everything from these retailers you would need to spend $21,000 just to make your money back. That's ridiculous. Any real money you can make comes from getting other suckers to fork over $2100. Thats right folks hound your friends and family and make them hate you because you're a constant pitch man.
Thanks Rory... that about says it all
No problem Mortimas. I've had a few people pitch me stuff like this and needless to say these are people I avoid now. Team National is one of the worst example of robbing money from people that I have ever seen. As for saving on big ticket items. What kind of complete moron would buy $3000-$4000 worth of furniture or $2000 worth of jewelry without seeing it first? I feel bad for the brainwashed folks that get caught up in the this nonsense. I'm sure they're the same folks Monavie convinced to purchase $1500 worth of juice. The bottom line on MLMs is that less than 1% of the folks involved make any real money and they're usually the ones that get in at the launch phase. I actually obtained a recruitment folder for Team National from one of my "friends" who was trying to pitch me. They give it to you once you join. I seriously needed to go take a shower after reading the sleezy slimy nonsense it contained. The funniest part was what to do if someone asks you questions. It actually directs you to not answer and just tell the person that all questions will be answered in the video.
yep.. the people that pitched it to me that were the original inspiration for this mediocre story... are now completely out, after he showed me a couple checks for various amounts, I had him crunch his hours spent on this thing... needless to say that was most of the reason they are out, plus the fact that a lot of their friends stopped answering their phone calls.... I have no problem with mlm's only the culty pushy.. very expensive ones.. like TN.... and yes.. the all powerful video that answered jack shit as far as I am concerned. (here it comes.. mortimas, your stupid if you didnt get the video) If they mean... get duped, then they are correct.. take care :}
The video is nothing more than cheerleading about how much money you can make. It's doesn't answer a single question a reasonable person might have. The bottom line is that they know that the person with a head on their shoulders who asks questions is not a good mark for this scam.
My son just called me after getting the high pressure hype from a suit and tie who was all excited with his video of successful people who have retired at the age of 25 and have 3 houses and vacation ALL the time, and the suit said it was " just like Amway, only better". Of course if you really want to succeed big you need to buy all these motivational tapes and spend all your free time cornering others to high pressure them to buy tapes and videos and go to meetings and help them to corner more people to buy tapes and go to meetings. Well, I was I Amway before the internet and I saw many couples devote all their waking hours to become a big shot and wear a suit and tie and be all excited. Many of those people are divorced and/or broke and never did make a penny. Amway, the corporation makes good products, but they got hijacked by the mlm-ers. It was not until I could get some straight answers from people around the country on the internet did I realize that these excited people got money from suckers buying all the motivational material that they said I would need if I really wanted to be successful. It's the same damn song, only a different singer. I told my son to tell the suit it would be easier to get money from robbing banks. The suits aren't prepared for comments like that. RUN, FORREST, RUN!
This was all really entertaining. I am in no way interested in any MLM especialy TN. The only reason I google it was bc I heared my 2nd fathers daughter (step-sister, a TNer) asked about my grandmothers health. My grand mother is in the hospital in a far away state from me, sadly the wretch (TN Member) lives closer then me. I have not considered her family sence my grand fathers death 3 years ago. At the funeral She & her husband who were in no way close to my grand parents keep asking who is this cousin & where dose this one live etc. I did not think much about it at the time untill after they left, when my closest cousins asked are you involved in thet scam with them? She must have known better then to pitch it to me as I had made my parents totaly aware of my total disinterest when they (parents) made the mistake of becoming involved. Any way apperently she & the hubby had been going to my family's functions for years & pitching this crap at every thing from my grandparents 50th anniversery to my cousins b-day. They made my realitives sit through the vidios & listen to other people on the phone & all of what sounds like the standard crap. My own family would hardly talk to me at my grandpa's funeral untill after they left for fear I was part of TN. I told my parents that if they ever came to my familys functions again to pitch that CRAP she and my parents would have to answer to me. So because I make no effort to speak to her (we just pretend to be nice when we visit our parents at the same time) - my question for the people who are are in TN is why in the world would you want to alinate your family (even step - family) like that? How in the world can any amount of money be worth that?
This was all really entertaining. I am in no way interested in any MLM ie: TN. The only reason I google it was because I heard my 2nd fathers daughter (step-sister, a TNer) asked about my grandmothers health. My grand mother is in the hospital in a far away state from me, sadly the wretch (TN Member) lives closer to her then me. I have not considered her family sense my grand fathers death 3 years ago. At the funeral She & her husband who were in no way close to my grand parents keep asking questions like: who is this cousin & where dose this one live etc. I did not think much about it at the time until after they left, when my closest cousins asked are you involved in that scam with them? She must have known better then to pitch it to me as I had made my parents aware of my total disinterest when they (parents) made the mistake of becoming involved. Any way apparently she & the hubby had been going to my family's functions for years & pitching this crap at every thing from my grandparents 50th anniversary to my cousins b-day. They made my family members sit through the dvds & listen to other people on the phone & all of what sounds like the standard crap. My own family would hardly talk to me at my grandpa's funeral until after they left for fear I was part of TN. I told my parents that if they ever came to my family functions again to pitch that CRAP she and my parents would have to answer to me. So because I make no effort to speak to her (we just pretend to be nice when we visit our parents at the same time) - my question for the people who are are in TN is why in the world would you want to allinate your family (even step - family) like that? How in the world can any amount of money be worth
Elizabeth, Thanks!!!! and that just goes to show you the mentality of these people sometimes..... hawking their shit at a funeral....... sheesh...
Mort, I've been in TN for over nine years, and TN is all about making and saving money.It is literally impossible to be in TN and not do this, unless you are absolutly
lazy or stupid. You get out of life like anything else, what you put into it. "Fact"! My wife and I also drive used autos. We buy program vehicles that have had less than ten thousand miles on them and we have saved $33.000.00 on three in real money on our best deal, even from friends that own dealerships. Also, our vehicles had the full seven year 70,000 mile bumber to bumber warrenty.We have saved thousands on everything from toilet paper to ink carteridges. And you stated you were not interested in saving money, and TN doesn't give you the brand names of furniture. Well, most, if not all furniture does have mfg ID. Also, if you are not satisfied, it is as easy as not accepting it and sending it back for a full refund. My wife and I get checks in the mail every Monday , and we are not required to sell or buy anything. Anyone who does not want to save or make money are not the smartest apples in the basket. And you can't fix stupid! TN is not and never will try to buy into the ignorance of cutting down any other business or opportunity.
You can say what you want, but you are not even smart enough to hide your overtones of resent for something you seem to ignorant to understand. And certainly, you are not intelligent enough to just let everyone decide what is real and true and what is not. By the very nature of every comment you have made, it is clear you have done absolutly no research on this company. What you do exhibit is a give me something for nothing personality and attitude. There is no such thing as "free money". If anyone makes that statement, then they are most likely lying, and not a part of a working society! As for Mr. Dick Lohre, well he was not just a good man, he was a great man. I never once heard him make a negative comment about anybody or anything. And he was for the working class folks. Oopppps, did I say working, I'm sorry, don't want to offend your personna of life here on planet earth! Have a nice life of negative all the way to broke!
typical.. Ralph.. because I have an opposing view, I am stupid and or lazy..... guess what.. not everyone is going to be a fit for TN. and if I hear the ink cartridge example one more time I am going to kick you in the nuts... once again for the ten thousanth time... good luck, I hope you get rich, but it is not for me...and you Ralph are the typical stereotype. If we disagree, we are lazy idiots... I have 2 jobs, I do not mind working for a living.. call all the people that turned you down in the past and invite them over... see how many of your ex friends show up.
I just purchased a house that I have been doing lots of work on and in doing that have created lots of trash. I felt bad about leaving so much trash on the curb and woke up early to help waste management load it. When he arrived we hit off right away and I am thinking what a great guy. Then he starts talking about god and how this new company he is involved in changed his life. I listened and he put me on the phone with this guy and we talked. A week later he called and put me on the phone with a female I talked to her, then gets another man on the phone and i am thinking WTF now? Then he gives me an 800# to call which I do. They are all saying the same damn thing, talking about this great opportunity making money and saving money on products that I am gonna buy anyway. I have tried more ways of making money than most people I know and I am very out going so these people flock to me. I have gone to Amway, Britte, pre-paid legal, Excel, light year, the gifting program, all those meetings! These are legal companies but on a MLM system and thats what I dont like. They are not pyramids because they have products and services they sell, thats what keeps them "legal" but is being legal enough? When these people get on here and say I saved $400.00 on glasses or $200.00 on tires, what are they comparing to? Can I go to home depote and say how much is this lumber and then say how much is this lumber with my TN discount? More than likely that information wont be available, so it would really be hard to take claims of significant savings at face value when people who have vested interest in the company making those claims. How much shopping did you do, did you shop online and is the product the exact same as the comparable to booste that sort of claim? I buy products from China and the savings are real. For instance, I will buy a lot of stainless steel bracelets that retail here in the states for for around $65.00-$75.00 each, after shipping I pay $5.00 per bracelet and sell each unit for $30.00 leaving a $25.00 profit. I have allowed people to buy in bulk directly from and there is no secret as to the saving or profit. These companies do not make money off of the "tremendous" savings, they make their money selling the memberships. I find it hard to believe that you could not find the same deal online at the stores web site, online shopping always has better prices than the stores physical location.
I just sat through a TN proposal on Labor Day afternoon while I was at work. The friend who asked me to participate is a truly dear person who would never do anything to offend me or try to take advantage of anyone. However I found the whole thing just too "slick". It was amazing to me that the other person she brought, her sponsor, was like someone out of a fashion magazine or a motivational TV commercial. He also had other "members" at the touch of a button by calling them on his cell phone. It was really smooth the way he was talking about how great this is, and then just happens to say "in fact, there is someone I would like you to talk to". With that he presses a speed dial on his blackberry and suddenly we are connected immediately, on Labor Day afternoon, to someone in Missouri who talks for almost ten minutes. It sounded like a prepared speech that had been done so many times that it was second-nature now. After that speech, we watch the DVD and then before anything else we again have the "I would like you to hear from someone else" and again, miraculously on Labor Day afternoon, a person answers immediately and gives a speech about how wonderful it is. That is until I asked a question and then suddenly he felt that I was "not open to the concept of saving money". I laughed at him and said I hear that same condescending statement several times a week from telemarketers at my business. I tried several times to get an answer on the basic nuts and bolts of "how does this work" but never got an answer. I haven't told my friend yet, but to me the whole thing is just too slick.
Mortimas, I just have a few things I would like to comment on regarding your blog about Team National. Yes, I am a proud member and am loving every minute of it. Now to what you have to say regarding it. I totally agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion and I find it very interesting to hear your comments about other peoples opinions. I also find it funny how you comment on someone's post and say that is the same thing that you hear time and time again. Well my advice for you, reread those same posts and put just a little bit of thought into it. Why is it the same thing you hear over and over again, hmmm I wonder. That alone goes to show that TN is a legitimate company. But I am not here to preach to you how great it is and beat a dead horse. I will have to say I am rather disappointed in myself for sitting here for the last hour reading all these comments on this blog. I just couldn't believe the stuff that I was reading. As far as your talk about everyone being entitled to their opinions, more times than not whenever a TN member makes a post you either do courteously wish them well or you make yourself look like a fool by using unnecessary language toward the people giving THEIR OPINION. I will say that there were some comments from TN members that also used unnecessary words toward you, once again not needed. But then you stoop to that same persons level and do it right back, so whatever works, why would you want to be the better man. Then on the other side of the spectrum, whenever someone that opposes TN you always say, yes so and so you are exactly right or oh my, that is such a great comment I am going to post that on my main page. Wow, thats all I have to say. I have never read any blog that is more biased than this one, and I am not here to praise how amazing TN is, I know how GREAT it really is but I am also not going to waste my time on here trying to "convince" the opposers. Thats fine withe me, everything is not for everyone and I am totally ok with that, besides I still need someone to carry my luggage to the airport. If you or anyone else has any direct questions regarding me or TN feel free to ask, I will be more than happy to answer them for you. And for anyone that happens to read this blog after my post, just look up 3 previous posts to Mortimas' last comment. That in a nut shell is basically how he treats the opposing peoples "opinions." And for my comment on your last post, I don't know how many times I read "typical stereotypes" within this blog. You have to be quite honestly one of the biggest hypocrites known to man as far as that issue goes. And one more thing, I happened to notice your fast response to majority of peoples posts, but conveniently no response to a TN members post if it was stated properly and there was no way that you could attack their comment. I know you can't put a comment right after someone enters a post, but there were quite a few times where you would comment on multiple posts above that you were not able to answer right away. So with that, I would love to hear your comment regarding my post. And like I said, let the questions and negativity rain. Better yet, if you are so adamant that TN is a scam or whatever word you would like to best explain it, no reason for you to necessarily ask questions but more for the people that are out there researching the company or the ones who would like to know more. With that said, hopefully some day you will have different feelings toward this company and the AMAZING leaders and people within it. I know for a fact that every single one would take you under their wing and help you with anything that you would ever need. Don't think you are the first one who has said not right now numerous times or just straight up no. Any GREAT person out there will share an awesome opportunity with family members, friends, or just even people you happen to meet, whether if the opportunity is Team National or the business you are in. Good luck with what you do and I wish the best of luck to you. As far as me, I KNOW where I'm at now, and I know EXACTLY where I will be. Thanks
you got me pegged... hypocrite and a fool... thanks.. :} good luck to you as well...
Thanks for the reply, I was honestly hoping for a little more feedback but thats ok. And yes I did state that you are a hypocrite regarding the fact that you bash someone about a certain thing and then later on in your post you do it right back..... that my friend is a hypocrite. But I also never once said you were a fool, thanks for adding that one in there, I happened to notice you tend to do that alot. And for someone who is so adamant about how bad TN is, it really suprises me how you would have no comment back to what I said. So does that mean that TN is really what I said it is or what, Im confused on your reply. Thanks
first of all... I am not "adamant" about how bad team national is.. I merely do not like the model... this is merely an article on my experience and opinion.. you seem to be doing fine with it so be happy... I do a few things that are moderately succesful that I enjoy and some of these things are viewed as scams or negative by many people, I do not troll the negative sites that are critical of the things I do, I merely cash the checks and promote the programs. I am not attacking you I am (if you want o call it an attack) doing it to the company you are affiliated with, so what? am I hurting your bottom line? no. are you gaining anything by defending it here? no. to answer your question.. TN is what you said it was... I would be happy to carry your luggage at the airport or mow your lawn (heard that one plenty from mlmers) the kick in the nuts comment was a joke, and you are right, this is a biased blog.
Mortimus, how many new people have you Sponsors or Hosted by your Blogs here? Sounds to me like you are trying to "SELL" your Product(s) or Services. I guess your Company allows this form of advertising???
Let me know who they are and I will be glad to check with all of them to see if they allow it legally. What affliation do they have with Organizations that are respectifully recognized and endorsed?
By the way I have not heard you say or show any SAVINGS or EARNINGS you have made, and I have at least heard and saw alot from the TN people responding.
How about the Company or Companies you represent? Who are they, what is their track record, how long have they been in Business? Documentation beats the hell out of garbage Conversation, and all I have heard and seen from you is conversation.
People I know always mention Amway. In this Country there are more millionaires thanks to Amway, which by the way I was never in, unfornately because I didn't want my Research Chemist first wife invest $29 in a bio-degradable soap, but the people who showed us the Dog and Ponny Show, waved at all the J.O.B. Dow Chemical people on their way out of town, leaving their 6 figure incomes, and they were Double Diamonds,over a million or more $'s.
I never knock Amway, Why? because their Model was successful, just like Mary Kay, Avon, Tupperware and many more.
Lastly, you must have read the book entitled "NEGATIVE INTIMIDATION", that is the opposite of "POSITIVE INTIMIDATION", and who ever you are if you are an American, you would never sell me anything you have to offer, not with your negative attitude having to knock what others are doing, rather than being positive about what you offer only.
Take a course on Ethics, this is one you can probably get in Book Store or the Library.
I could go on but after puking after readng this negative garbage of insults, take it for what it's worth.
You must be a teen-ager with an inferority complex. Get help
you hit the nail on the head... I am trying to get people in my program..... its not a big money thing, its free and does the same thing as TN without the selling of a big package. thats it. and I am only negative when someone is negative to me.... read the review, it is not negative only what my experience is... I make about 60 bucks a month and growing from the program that I compare to TN, but no investment was needed, so you have me on the overall money, but I am not selling anything, so its fine with me. I make quite a bit from affiliate links on many different websites (but I am not selling that here) and I make some from a few ptr programs that I was fortunate to get in on early on in the nineties. So all told with a few other things, I pull in about 1700-2000 a month by promoting different things online part time with no investment, plus I work a full time job (that I enjoy, so the quiting for TN money is not an option) plus I own a piece of a construction company and part of a golf driving range. I am a bit over 6 figures a year on my own (my wife stays at home) so I am doing fine with the money, maybe not as good as you or as good as I could with TN but, I am fairly content... So as far as me being insulting and negative, only when attacked first... show me one time on this thread where that is not the case. have good luck with TN,,,, and I would love to be a teenager with any complex. (amway is cool, my neighbor sells me soap and I bought a powerwasher through his amway biz) cant buy stuff from TN reps though, unless I drop the 2200 bucks first.
Hi Mortimus. Whatever your thought is about Team National, is your right. And the USA gives you the freedom to express them here. Isn't it great to live in a country such as this? Our ancestors and others from other countries have risked their lives sneaking from their countries and navigating oceans of water in rafts and small boats, many of them losing their lives because it was worth it. This is the land of opportunity and yet most of it's citizens have forgotten that and resigned to working for someone elses dreams. TN offers hope and a real chance at financial freedom through it's incredible compensation plan. I cannot imagine finding another company with more honesty, integrity, and compassion for it's members to succeed with a willingness to help all of it's members as much as they possibly can. But you would have to invest more quality time to find that out, and you don't have to purchase "the coupon book" to do that. They're personal growth training would match that of any large fortune 500 company. Self made multi-millionaire Robert Kiasaki, (who does not need an introduction), says that MLM is THE way for the average person to build wealth without a large investment/risk. But, you have to have mental toughness, and that MLM will develope that if you don't quit. I think I can safely say that 100K is a fair price to start a small business. It usually takes at least 5 years to see any profit with a large percentage of them failing within that time. What I saw when I looked at TN, I saw an investment into hope and a huge opportunity without any risk what so ever, as long as I made the effort to use the benefits package. What price can you put on financial independence? Is it not worth $2195? (By the way, when you realize how much the company pays back to it's IMD's, Independent Marketing Directors, it boggles my simple mind that they can do it with just charging $2195). If I never made a dime, I would still get my money back through the savings benefits. I saw the $2195 benefits package as an insurance policy, safety net, guarantee, etc. for my time investment of an incredible opportunity. I was able to get the 2195 back easily and still have full usage for the rest of my life. (LOL. I hope I still have 30 years left to live). I have tried other MLM businesses before and couldn't afford to stay in them. I spent more on the products, to increase my commissions, than I made with them. Although a little slow to start out, I am beginning to have success. Yes some are better and faster than others at building it. Those of us that are less talented just have to be patient with our personal growth. Jim Rohn says it best: "a person's wealth will never exceed his personal growth." That's fact. If you want to build wealth, AND KEEP IT, you have to build on yourself. And as much as we don't want to hear it, the fact is if you add your 5 closest friends incomes together and devide by 5, you will get a good ballpark figure of your income potential. What that means is that if you want financial success, you may have to change who you hang around with. Team National is by far the best mlm that I have either been involved or checked into. Remember though, it is merely a vehicle to get you to your goals. When you learn how to drive it, look out!
PS You can go to any personal Team National website and buy from the non-member mall at great savings, without the coupon book. Try mine. It is bign.com/rcthorpe
(I hope to have our picture there soon.)
PSS I appreciate your intentions.
Robin
Robin and Carrie, thanks for the link to your bign site.... this is new to me and actualy very impressive, what I think they should have done the whole time to help sell TN... although some of the discounts are impressive, I can still find most of the savings on my own, but for the mlmer Tn is looking a bit sweeter for you...... liked the 18% at famous footwear.. I admit I cannot beat that anywhere... (I still am not interested, but have bookmarked your site in particular as a frame of reference and potential purchase... THANKS AGAIN!!!
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seethroughthebs says:
2 years ago
It's so obvious...Bash one opportunity to promote your own. Maybe if you quit wasting your time talking out of your arse and focus more on the business opportunity you CHOSE, you may actually see positive results.