The Long And Winding Road -Updated 7/8/09
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Waking Up
Have you had a revelation that went against all that you were taugh in church or Sunday School? Are you confused at what that might mean? Did you read the Bible for yourself without the interjection of the church and seen something different then what you have been taught? Have you come across some disturbing things in that book and are now wondering what the heck?
You are not alone! Many have been there. Yes, right where you are. I had an extraordinary thing happen to me and it shook my world and my religious beliefs. I have researched and read that Bible back and forth to find the answers of what had happened to me.
Don't be surprised if you feel like you are an outcast. Don't be surprised if they call you names and try to reconvert your thoughts. There are some things in that Bible that do make sense, for those who are able to hear and see them. Don't go throwing the book away because you will need it in the future to understand the society that those people lived in.
Now that you woke up to the fantasy that religions want you to believe, you will come under fire. You now will be a threat to them instead of with them. I will give you some things that may help you on the Long and Winding Road you are now on.
World Religions
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First Things First
The first thing that is good when starting your journey is to read that Bible even if yu are not a Christian. After you have finished with that then go and search and read church doctirnes or laws. I know the Catholic Church has their cannon and laws on-line. I wrote a article stating what some churches are to teach their parishioners. You can read how the Catholic Clergy are to train their parishioners on that as well: http://hubpages.com/hub/What-Are-Cults
Now you can expand and start your own "Religious Studies" by going and reading about other religions and what and how they came to be here: http://www.religionfacts.com/index.html and here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/
-added 7/17/09--Then find out what Jesus was all about and how he lived and his values tht he had hoped they would have imparted on his followers instead of the religios and control they have today. He even expected this to happen:
http://www.thenazareneway.com/
*added 11/02/09-- Find out the truth of the Catholic Church doctirnes about Worshipping Mary and what other Heresies there are: http://www.thechristianwebsite.com/gpage12.html
NOTE: I am constantly updating this article with links that I am finding that I have and have forgotten about. So check back often for new information.
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Logically
After reading the Bible you will need to know what caused and still does some of the destruct ions they wrote about. Most of the climate and Natural destruct ions were due to Natural Cyclic Climate changed that occur on this earth. They did not have the scientific knowledge then as we do today. They only explained natural occurrences in the language and knowledge they had then and blamed them on invisible beings, such as Satan or God or Gods and Angels and the like. Get a good understanding of weather and natural occurrences of Earthquakes, soil erosion, volcanic activity back then. It truly was/is, what they reaped is what they sown. Farmers know that if you continually plant the same crop in the same place year after year that the soil will be depleted of nutrients and eventually wash away. They learned this in the Dust Bowl Years. It is nothing new, but religions will put a shroud of mystery around such things. Here are a few sites to visit and study too that will shed some knowledge on those occurrences:
http://www.readinessinfo.com/eqindex.shtml
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001746.html
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/jericho.html
Some of the words used in the Bible and today's definition of them:
Brimstone -- Sulfur--like what comes out of a volcano.This would be the Fire and Brimstone that is speckled all throughout the Bible.
Hell --really was an actual physical place where Rome burned all the bodies that they crucified on crosses. They crucified lots of people on crosses, not just Jesus. They crucified anyone who remotely came up against the control and power of the Roman Empire. To cleanse the area they had to put all the crucified bodies in a trench and burn them. This is what Hell is and the other names they used are Gehenna, and Seoul. Doesn't this sound close to what they do to you when you come away from their power and lust for control? That is the fire you will experience. I believe there is something mentioned in the Bible about going through a fire to be Christ-like. They will twist your words around in an attempt to keep control of you.
Angels, Satan, Messengers of God
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Angels, Satan, Messengers of God
Many books have been picked through and left out of the Bible. The Jewish Rabi's chose which one would be in them and which would not be included. In those times you must realize that the clergy was not to speak to the people as they do today. They put their backs towards the people. There are many other changes that occurred throughout time. Once Rome got hold of those books, they also decided what would be in that book and what and how that those words they didn't understand were written therein. In other words they stole Jewish Scripture to make it their own to control the populous.
In the first books there were may Angels written about, but during the 15th Century some of them were deleted from the books that we now have today. It is also during this time some of the translations were changed and more books were left out of certain translations of the Bible then there were in others. When those who seem to think that you are a follower of Satan and try to get you back or those who seem to think of you as a threat, they will tell you that the book is complete. If it were then all books would be included and nothing taken away and they would even know their own history of how the Bible came to be. They will tell you that they are Gnostic and myths and were not included because there was something wrong with the books and they didn't come to par with what is real--------to them.
Satan -- When first mentioned he was as a prosecuting attorney for God and God allowed it. Satan was to tempt us to do evil things so that we would turn back to God and show him our allegiance.
Today the Christian churches have Satan as an evil being wanting to get your soul and take it with him to Hell. They use him to threaten you to get you back with their beliefs. He did not fall because he wanted to be better than God as they will tell you. He fell because God wanted him (the First Angel he made) to worship Adam. He couldn't understand why, when he was the First made by God and debated with God and the outcome was that God threw him out of Heaven.
If you have no way of ordering or getting this DVD, there is someone else that has the exact information on his hubpage. You can read some of the content that is in the DVD.for yourself:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Counterpoint-A-Different-View-Of-The-Devil
Lilith was also put out as a myth. She was made when Adam was made in God's likeness. She was made as an equal. Adam didn't like that and asked God for a mate. Eve was taken from one of Adam's ribs and that is how she was brought forth. Lilith got mad and cursed all the children of Adam and Eve and so when a child died she was blamed for it. All this and much more is in the movie, Angels: Good or Evil. You can order it on the right.
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Who or What is God
By now you are wondering if there is a God or what is God. God is who you feel or seems to be for you. There is much history of how God came to be and how the One God Theory originated.
In the Land of Canaan they had many Gods and the Three Patriarchs of the Jewish Faith go to Canaan and do as the Canaanites do. Remember this is the Jewish Religion that starts this, not the Greco-Roman Christian, that come later. During this time they end up going into Egypt. It appears that they kind of begin to over-populate Egypt and they begin to feel uneasy as they have thoughts of them taking over their society so they enslave them. This is how the Exodus came about. This happens many other times and all are historically recorded.
Also mentioned on the DVD's is the thing about the many Gods/esses being transformed into the ONE GOD. All they did was make the other God's into the Saints that we have today. In the times before there was one God there were many and each God/ess was in charge. The logic would be to have Saint's and in them they also do a specific functions for humans on Earth. In the beginning it was the Angels that filled the roles of the other Gods/esses.
You will want to get yourself aquanted with this too and you can get the DVD The History of God on the right.
If you have no way of ordering or getting this DVD, there is someone else that has the exact information on his hubpage. You can read some of the content that is in the DVD.for yourself:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Counterpoint-A-Different-View-Of-The-Devil
For a List of Catholic Saints and who they are and what they do for humans you chack check out the Saint's Pages
There are also Celtic Saint's and you can read about them on the Celtic Saint's Page.
For a Chronology of the people this is a very good site to learn about the agriculture, and science and other technology that happened in an easy to read timeline: Antiquity: The People's Chronologyy
Other sites you may want to visit for the History of the people that in the times of when the Books of the Bible were written are:
The History of the Persian Empire
Pagan Origins of The Christian Myth this redirects you to their new site so give it a moment.
The Books That Were Left Out and Other Places For Study
Being as some books were left out of the Bible makes you wonder why sme of those books were mentioned in the books that were left in at all. I mean if they didn't want us to know about them at all then why even leave a scent of them in the Bible. This just adds to the notion that the Bible is Not complete and some things have been added and some have been taken away, contrary to what they stand on as 'gospel" truth that it has not. One of the things that I notice and they cannot tell me why it is so is that the Catholic Bible does have a few more books in it then the King James Version. That right there tells me that the Bible is not whole nor complete. The Bible itself tells you that it is not complete.
There is magic spells to summon the Angels in the historical accounts in the Book of Solomonthat was not included. In another book on Daniel many Angels were named before they edited them out in the 1500's.
Some books you may want to read are:
The Books of Adam and Eve-where Satan's true role is mentioned and other things. The main site for this is where there are many religious subjects and other books you will want to read too. The Reluctant Messenger
The Gospel of Thomas-where Jesus shows a sense of humor and other things There are many other books here as well.
Acts of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul
The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles
Joseph and Aseneth =There are many more books on the main site Early Jewish Writings that were written in the very first years after the death of Jesus. Scroll beyond the comment box on the site and you will get a list of books.
The Ten Commandments and what each society's rendition of them are. They are different and you will want to read them.
The Works of Flavius Josephus --an unbiased author's account of what was in his own time and that of the man they called Jesus.
Did you also know that the Pentagram was originally a Christian Symbol and not the Wicca or Witch symbol as believed by today's Christianity. You can read about that on The Ancient Pentagram - A Christian Symbol and also on The Star Of David
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Other Things You May Want To Check Out
Lords Prayer, from Aramaic into Old English
Translation by G.J.R. Ouseley from The Gospel of the Holy Twelve
Our Father-Mother Who art above and within:
Hallowed be Thy Name in twofold Trinity.
In Wisdom, Love and Equity Thy Kingdom come to all.
Thy will be done, As in Heaven so in Earth.
Give us day by day to partake of Thy holy Bread, and the fruit of the living Vine.
As Thou dost forgive us our trespasses, so may we forgive others who trespass against us.
Shew upon us Thy goodness, that to others we may shew the same.
In the hour of temptation, deliver us from evil.
Amun.
The History of The Lord's Prayer is also on the same page this is from: The Lord's Prayer
The First Missionary War
The Church take over of the Roman Empire
THE ORIGINAL SIN
The Bible/UFO Connections. Don't just brush this off without going to the site and reading lots of what they have there. Some of it makes sense.
The Lacerta Files --This is also something that goes along the line of Reptilians controlling Earth's Inhabitants.
Agnostic Review of Christianity - This web site is dedicated to examining and evaluating fundamentalist Christianity and the claims it makes about the Bible and the nature of the universe.
- Reincarnation In Christianity
2000 years ago I lived as Jacob and was known as the brother of Yeshua. As predicted, Satan has ruled the hearts and minds of believers, and the church has become spiritually disenfranchised by manmade doctrines. Our Heavenly Father has heard your pr - http://www.dhushara.com/book/genesis.htm
- The Origin Of Sin
- The real facts about Christianity
As I stated in my profile, I am a bedraggled refugee from the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church. As a member of the Church I learned next to nothing about Christianity. You are told what to believe and NOT... - Pope: Basilica bones belong to apostle St. Paul - CNN.com
Scientific tests prove bones housed in the Basilica of St. Paul in Rome are those of the apostle St. Paul himself, according to Pope Benedict XVI. - The Apostle Paul. Rabbi Saul – Could it all be a fabrication?
Uncompromising exposure of the counterfeit origins of Christianity and of the evil it has brought to the world.
Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do
No matter what you believe, this information should give you a start of gaining some wisdom and knowledge of what religions are all about. I say to those who do not believe in a God or any doctrine's the whole of the Universe is Within You and you cannot get away from it because you are that which it is made up of.
As you go through these things and you begin to see thinks in a better light your thoughts about yourself will begin to change. Those who will undoubtedly fight this will show the bitter side of their religion. For the rest of us--just remember these words and they will help you through whatever you experience:
Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do.
Remember also that this goes for you and me too. Everything happens in it's own time and for specific reasons. You may not know them now but you will later in your life.
Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do To You.
Also a bit of Karma (oh and read some of the Indian beliefs and others ----
You Shall Reap What You Sow.
Just be kind to others and respect them is all the message that Jesus really wanted us to know--oh and that we will do greater and more things than he ever was able to do in his short life here on Earth.
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Comments
Thank you Peggy for your comment. You are right! Being in the forums you can really see the bad side come out in any religious belief. The more they don't seem to be getting you back on their side the more they do temper tantrums and end up calling others dirty, nasty names and the like.
Wow excellent research.
Thak You Mohit for stopping by. Yes I did lots of research over the years........and some keep saying that I don't know anything. Go figure!
Nice hub LG with lots of references for the broadminded. Interpretation becomes easier when having experiences, and not relying on dogma as belief.
What I have found is one lie after another, after another and after that even and then told to the greater peoples as it is the truth. These liars are playing with people and THAT is what I think is sad. Those who persecute me for one and others and then turn around and tell us that we don't know anything are the real ones who are being lead by the nose and believe in the lie after lie after lie------blindly lead and blindly follow.
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The Tanakh (Old Testament) was written in Hebrew and some in Aramaic. New Testament was written in Greek.
The New Testament books were selected by Reformers only, which was written in Greek. The selection was chosen on the basis; weather there was references from the Tanakh - Old Testaments. If there were no references they were not selected. There were many books written. But not all books are authentic. The Apocrypha books were not selected, since they were considered as heretic. Catholics have it. They were written in Greek but consider as a part of Old Testament (Tanakh). There are not present in original Hebrew language, an original Bible. They were written later.
God already told us and revealed us His will, what we need to know. We do not need more books to add to the Bible. The Bible was completed and closed. The Bible is unique and it is living Word.
New Age people, today, embrace all gods, all religions. It does not matter some could be attractive to man’s feelings or not. I think it is offence to God. He does not need other gods He is only One. He warned us from confusing people and pagan religions. Satan, god of this world is one of them and he is father of lies. He is also accuser of believers day and night.
Some claim that Jesus is their Lord. But they do not listen what He is saying or what He is teaching.
The angels are servant of God and men. There are enormous amount of the angels. What we know about them is enough. There are not our gods and we do not have to pay so much attention to them.
Rest writings outside of Bible are only opinion of man and not of God.
I knew that I would get a hard core liar or one who has been fed lies all their lives. Now I have all the information that says otherwise and you still believe the lies being told to you.
A lie is still a lie even when you don't even read the whole hub and research the sites that are given. It is not my fault that you refuse to see these things and don't tell anyone they are going to hell because you believe in a lie.
Great Hub, LG
I never felt any need to read the Bible, so people can make of that what they will. I find it amusing that they call us New-Age. Going back to a time before the Bible is surely 'Old-Age.'
If folks want to judge, they are more than welcome - I care not!
'Love thy neighbour' is the only relevant bit. I never felt the need to live my life according to a collection of stories. Or spend time in a church, for that matter.
Thank You Surfidreamer. All they want to do is stick their heads in the sand and let others run their lives while at the same time thinking that they can get away with anything until GOD comes to erase all their lies and mistakes. I find it quite sureal when they are the ones who act as their SATAN wants them too and yet they can point fingers at others who don't and call them names.
Satan was supposed to be unleashed for a thousand years or so, this sounds like the work fo their SATAN to keep them in the dark as it were in a church full of lies.
Yup - I tend to ignore such people, as I find their opinions offensive and also narrow-minded. I am pretty happy with my spiritual development, so do not care about the judgement of others.
Glad that there are open-minded people like you, Mo and CW on Hubpages - keeps any discussions interesting.
Forgive me if I offended you. I did not mean to. I do not think you spend more time in Bible as I did. But nevertheless, I have a literature which support my statements. We did not live in time of writing. I do not see any wrong in it. You also have a literature which you believe what you believe. We have a freedom, do we? We have a freedom even to be wrong. But not all open minded is good. To call me layer is not fair.
God bless you.
Vladimir,
When you haven't even read the whole hub and you automatically tell me that I am wrong..........how else is that to be taken.
You assume that I have not read the Bible as long as you have......that is an assumtion on your part with information that you don't have. The same goes for this information that you will not even look into or read or any of that, but you give yourself the right to tell us what YOU think is right..that isn't right.
Too much openmindedness------or too much truth to even remotely delve into?
I was not always this way and it is years and years that I have gain all this knowledge and my FAITH in the God that is everywhere and in everything supports this. Now I am expecting other to come here and again insinnuate that it is Satan that is guiding me. There is no Satan, no matter if you believe it or not, but at least have the respect to at least give my information a look over and read. I read the Bible and all the other documents of the churches that I have been with. It is only fair that you do the same.
Maybe you are right. Maybe you are older as I am. But what I was saying was about Apocrypha which are not part of OT Bible. First they were written late in Greek. The last book Malachi (OT) was written hundred years BC., precisely 331 BC. There is not significant in Apocrypha books, except many repetitions. There is not quoting from Tanakh. What did I say wrong?
I know you are screening comments before you placed them for the public. This is why my comment was bomble-jumble. My text disappeared before I edited it. I could not see it again. I do not accusing you as I am talking generally about Satan. But you surely accuse all the time, which I consider offensive. I or others do not deserve it. I would like to be your friend. But what I should do if you are wrong? I just lay down my thought when I read yours. But I will not comment if it is your wish. Perhaps I should write hub instead.
Weather we are consider perfect or not (nobody is), the Christianity was tested for 2000 years. New age was not tested.
Since there is no Satan where evil came from?
We know that we messed a lot. But Lord Jesus is perfect. He did not mess anything. Lord is watching over His Word to perform it.
You red the Bible it is OK. But you do not seem to fallow. Why I should believe you. I do not know you. But I know God and His Word.
I do not have to read all what you give me to read. I did not write article, you did. I was only responder.
Vladimir,
How can you sit there and say those things about me without even knowing me and God. God speaks thrugh everyone. That is written in your Bible. Jesus was not descriminatory as to whom he was visiting or walking with or even who he was talking to. MAN did that, not God. God speaks to me and he also answers my questions. Your version is what the chruch has taught you and they have changed thigs so many times. You still have not read that and that makes me sad that you will tell me that you have when it is clear that you have not. That is the Glass Wall between us.
I listen to God and Jesus in my heart because that is where they said that they are. I also read history and believe in that and not just what some group of people tell me that I should and shouldn't read.
Yes I wrote the hub. I don't see your point in that and the reasons why you won't read it. If I didnt' want anyone to read it then I would not have wrote it. How about Jesus guiding me to write it.........I guess not huh, since you already are pretty sure that what others are telling you is better than anything that God can write.
You once told me in another one of my hubs that youwill use me to challenge me. So be it, but I challenge you to read my whole hub and get those DVD;s and learn something new--er old. How do you know that other things were not tested? Did the chruch doctrine teach you that? How do you know that that book was written in 331 bc, did it have a rubber stamp on it and a date to tell us when it was writen.
I don't think you want to read this hub and I don't understand why you are here then.
I accuse! When I wrote that liar bit, if you re-read it it says that those who were taught a lie and not you specifically. Now it does say in your Bible that Jesus said that the words and things were not to be taught from any book. You go find that verse and that chapter for yourself. Jesus said the Kingdon of God was within you--he didnt' say anyone in particular at the same time he did not leave anyone out. So everyone has that wiithin them. If you read it differently then you must askyourself who taught you that it is the way that you interpret it and why they told you it was that way.
God gave each of us a brain to use. He never said to not use it. Jesus says to go and those who seek him with find him and he didnt' say in a book. I want to know what makes you think that you are better than anyone else on this earth that have been given the same qualities that everyone ele shares? Who? Did God or Jesus say not to read anything of anyone else or culture? If you think that he did then tell me why they are here on this earth?
Vladimir,
What evil? Is it something that someone does to you or another that you don't like. Is it murder? Is it war? Just what is your definition?
Yes I am moderating all comments, not so that I deny those who disagree with me, on the contrary. There is one person that I dont' want any comments from at all and that is why I am having these moderated.
I pulled this off of one of the forum posts that I made:
Peter was the one who kept the old ways also known as The Way--from Nazarene. Most religions call all that gnostic, but it was what Jesus taught way before politics got involved. Those religions are also taught that gnostic is wrong and evil...........Peter was the Rock and Foundation of the church........so who are they really listening to because it certainly isn't Peter. Instead of spreading fear for what they don't know they should be getting acqaunted with the real history.
I think the original christianity is beautiful and is entwined with gnosticism, knowing, experience. It has a depth that is amazing and when it comes to awakening and knowing your own self, the Nazarene way, original christianity, gnosticism bodes well. I align very much with Sufi where he says modern christianity is like christianity inc. The teachings, well they don't feel like teachings.
The teachings are more like threats. The Way as Peter was teaching it was living a simple life like Jesus never left. That IS the basis of what Jesus was teaching and not anything like what the church teaches to day. It all changes with the Coucil of Niceae.
Thank you Jewels for stopping by. It is always a pleasure reading your messages of love.
Excellent hub, Lady G. So glad you put in all those links. You bring up great points. And yes, the bible should definitely read out of the cataclysims of the church. It should be read personally. Nicely put together.
Thanks Frieda.
Fascinatingly simplistic; but, has in depth meaning as well.
Thank You Reddawn for you nice comment.
Thank you for you efforts. Nice Hub.
Keep on Hubbing!
Thanks for stopping by eovery. I am sorry that I keep misspelling your name.
At least you do not put an "a" instead of the second "e" and imbarish me.
Keep on Hubbing!
This is fantastic Lady Guinevere! I didn't know what I've been missing. I've bookmarked all the links you've provided and will try to spend time researching them soon. In regard to folks like Ivan, your considerable skills are wasted in attempting to reason with irrationality. For the fundamentalist it's just so much easier to let others do their thinking for them. After all, critical thinking is the original sin. ALL the books of ALL religions are the work of MEN, and I say men advisedly, written and circulated to serve their agendas.
You've got a new fan.
Thank You Very much ColdWarBaby. I do my homework. They may say that I am Satan, but I don't have anyone over me telling me what I can and cannot say or read or understand. As life unfolds for me there may be other links coming. This is just the beginning!
Sounds like your becoming a specialist Lady Guinevere. If so, you've chosen a subject that will always be controversial.
Yes, it certainly is. I have something in the worls that isn't about religion at all.
I look forward to it.
I added a couple more links and a separate link box for them. Paul was a myth and made up fiction?
More excellent links for you:
Biblical Origins in Ancient Egypt:
http://home.austarnet.com.au/calum/egypt.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
Thank You Eccles!
New Links added to the link section
Added a new link about Jesus and who he was and lived and his values, unlike the Church's. They say it is heresy. That is bunk when you read what they decided to leave out. Decide for yourself after reading without judgement.
Debbie, you have already cautioned people abotu how to read the bible and how it is interpreted by the various Churches. The whole TRUTH should be studied about the real foundation of Christianity - the Roman Catholic Church. It was not founded by Jesus Christ. It was founded at the First Council of Nicea 325CE by Constantine I.
Here is the TRUE history:
http://www.exminister.org/Forgedorigins_ofNT.html
Added another site for your reading and learning: http://www.thechristianwebsite.com/gpage12.html












Peggy W says:
9 months ago
You are apparently very open minded and that is such a pleasure. Some people I know in different religions say that their way is the only way and others who are not equally enlightened will either go to hell or at the least never get to see God. I have never believed that. As you pointed out, books in........books out...........translation differences, etc. make for very different interpretations.
If everyone adopted the Golden Rule......just THINK what a better place this would be here on earth. Eternity awaits us all.