The History of Debt in America
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Debtor's Prison and the New World
At the end of Daniel DeFoe's 1722 novel The Fortunes and Misfortunes of the Famous Moll Flanders, the heroine flees her miserable existence in Great Britain to settle in the American colony of Virginia. The full title of Defoe's novel gives a sense of the difficult arc of Moll's all-too common life as a pauper in the 'civlized' world of the 18th century:
"The Fortunes and Misfortunes of the Famous Moll Flanders, Etc. Who Was Born In Newgate, and During a Life of Continu'd Variety For Threescore Years, Besides Her Childhood, Was Twelve Year a Whore, Five Times a Wife [Whereof Once To Her Own Brother], Twelve Year a Thief, Eight Year a Transported Felon In Virginia, At Last Grew Rich, Liv'd Honest, and Died a Penitent. Written from her own Memorandums."
Moll is an invention, but as such not an outrageous one. Though her story seems fantastic to us today, during the 18th century her life would have been uncommon only in that she survived it and made it to the Americas to start anew.
Defoe himself spent time in Newgate prison in 1692 for a debt of 700 pounds, and in 1698 went bankrupt due to some failed business ventures, but by the mid 1700s people in Britain were being imprisoned for debts as small as 20 shillings. Many famous novelists and writers of the 18th and 19th century spent time in debtor's prisons, including (to name a few) Defoe, Charles Dickens' father, and Samuel Johnson.
Being thrown into debtor's prison was much worse and more perilous than being thrown into prison for committing a crime. Debtors had to provide their own food and heat while in prison, and if they didn't have either they were left to die from cold or starvation. The thinking behind this was that if a debtor had any friends or family with any money at all, those supporters would come forward at and pay off the debt to prevent the dangerous incarceration of their loved one.
Sometimes debtors were indeed bailed out this way by friends, family, or benefactors, but just as often no money or help emerged because there was none to be had, and in these cases the debtor often died in 'gaol' (an early term for debtor's prison). The poorest debtors were placed in underground cells with street level grates through which they could extend their hands to beg for food and coins from passersby. The inhumanity and ineffectiveness of this practice gave rise to a movement to abolish debtor's prisons, but it wasn't until 1869 that Parliament actually abolished the law that allowed a debtor to be jailed indefinitely.
During the early 1700s the idea of shipping debtors overseas took hold and gained ground as reform became more of an issue. James Oglethorpe, a member of Parliament, founded the colony of Georgia as a refuge for debtors after as many as ten thousand of them (all of whom owed less than 20 shillings) were released from British prisons. Oglethorpe pushed for the passage of a reform prohibiting the indefinite confinement of persons who owed small sums of money after learning that a very close friend had died in Fleet prison over a minor debt, but he soon realized that the thousands of newly released debtors had nowhere to go and nothing to do.
So off to America it was.
The precedent of sending imprisoned debtors overseas had already been set by the practice of 'indentured servitude', which initially promised safe harbor for any debts incurred in Britain in exchange for seven years free labor in the American colonies. As many as two out of three American colonists came to the U.S to escape such debts, either through indentured servitude (and the erasure of the their debts in Britain), or by being shipped to the New World involuntarily after English reform provoked mass release from debtors prison.
Send Us Your Poor, Your Tired, Your Deeply Indebted
When American school children are taught the reason for the founding of the United States of America, they hear a lot of talk about the quest for religious freedom and tolerance, and about the ideals of "freedom and justice for all" put forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
That's nice talk, and those ideas certainly are contained in those documents, but focusing on that alone conveniently leaves out the fact the first British settlers of America were often not tolerant nor were they free.
Many of the fanatical 17th and 18th century English religious sects (except for perhaps the Quakers) who came to America for religious freedom left Britain because their own intolerance in the homeland made them very unpopular there. The first religious settlers in the American colonies were looking for a place where they could establish religious purity and homogeneity, not tolerance.
Nor did the first settlers have any intention of taking the equality and freedom thing all that seriously outside the rhetoric and formal discourse of political philosophy. (Jefferson himself owned slaves, women had no rights to own property, and native peoples were routinely lied to and slaughtered without remorse in order to steal their land.) Voting, even after the country declared its independence, was confined to free, white men who owned land. Women, slaves, indentured servants, and poor people were not welcome at the polls or in the early U.S. government.
In the midst of all the heated rhetoric today about patriotism and debt and government, it's important to note that the American Independence movement was fueled as much by the massive indebtedness of America's early plantation owners as it was by abstract political beliefs about equality and religious tolerance. In fact, debt was almost certainly a greater force behind the movement than any lofty set of political ideals.
By breaking free of England and forming a separate nation, Virginia plantation owners like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington cancelled out the heavy debts they owed to benefactors who helped set them up in the New World.
That's no mere coincidence.
In fact, though we hear it very little here in the U.S. today, the early American colonies were basically set up as debtors asylums; places where English people who owed a little or a lot of money could flee their creditors or, if they were very poor, flee their old creditors and gain new American ones.
As the movement to abolish debtor's prisons in Britain grew throughout the 1700s and into the 19th century, America became a dumping ground for people with no money. If you release debtors from prison, then what?
Then you send them to America.
Liberty and Justice for Some
In a recent article in The New Yorker, Harvard history professor Jill Lepore recounts the up and down saga of bankruptcy as a public institution in the United States.
Bankruptcy tends to become a reform issue during the years following a panic in the economy (such as the one we just experienced), but then quickly becomes derided again once times are more prosperous.
For the first 150 years or so in the U.S., bankruptcy was seen as a way to regulate the economy and as such was considered a necessary safety valve; releasing the top tier of the wealthiest bankers and industrialists from obligations incurred during boom times as a way to get out of bust times. Bankruptcy in the U.S. (in the beginning) was therefore available only to businesses and investors, not to individual persons.
Incredibly, even though two out of three colonists came to the U.S to escape debtor's prisons, such prisons were quickly re-established on American soil, by Americans. One of the earliest was in New York City in the garret of City Hall on Wall Street. Wealthy debtors were imprisoned on the upper floors, where they read books, penned essays, and tried to get their friends to bail them out. Poor debtors were once again consigned to the basement, just as they were in Britain, where they starved and died. Debtor's prisons were not abolished in the U.S. until 1832 (although, to be fair, that was indeed 27 years sooner than in Britain).
In spite of this two-tiered system, the long and troubled relationship of Americans to debt and to debt imprisonment created a 19th century movement not only to outlaw debtor's prisons (that movement had also taken hold in Britain), but also to extend bankruptcy protection to individual persons as well financiers and factory owners. In the past, investment debt had been seen as an economic issue, whereas personal debt was seen as a moral issue.
Rich people faced market issues. Poor people were bad.
This colonial split between the economics of debt (between what the country thought Wall Street and big business must be allowed to do to foster growth) and the morality of debt (a term usually applied to individual persons when they could not pay back what they borrowed) is evident in America even today.
We tend to see the billions in aid flying around high finance right now as a function of specific economic problems. These debts are 'clean' in the sense that they are anonymous and numerical. We may be angry about them and call for accountability, but we have no human target to pillory, and we're used to accepting business failures and problems as a natural part of economic cycles. By contrast, we tend to see the guy down the street who just lost his house as a schmuck who probably deserves it and should have been more frugal.
If you take the time to read a bit of history, just a bit, then it becomes quickly clear that banks, debt, and slavery have always been intertwined. Where you find one, you'll generally find the others close at hand. Slavery solved a practical economic problem in the early days of the United States: the labor shortage; and banks were anxious to get on board. By supplying free labor to run the tobacco and cotton plantations, slavery enabled a mercantile economy to grow, and where there's a mercantile economy there's banks loaning out money to it.
Many major banks were directly involved in the slave trade, providing 'slave insurance' to help finance slaving missions to Africa. When Abraham Lincoln realized he would have to raise a Union Army to prevent the secession of the Southern states (over slavery), the banks were so dead set against it and so powerful that Lincoln had to create the first national currency to get around them: the Greenback dollar.
By declaring the dollar the official U.S. currency (before that time banks were state-run affairs that often issued conflicting currencies of their own design), Lincoln was able to both raise the money he needed for a Union army (he just printed it) and at the same time disenfranchise the South (they had to invent their own currency, Confederate dollars, which were nearly worthless because most of the wealth was in the North).
As recently as 2004 J.P. Morgan Chase was still settling lawsuits related to its part in financing the U.S. slave trade before the Civil War.
Today, debtor's prisons are outlawed in the U.S., slavery is of course formally outlawed, and women, poor people, and minorities all technically have the right to vote and own property (if they can afford any), but debt still serves to keep people laboring at jobs they would never even consider doing if they did not have debts.
Indeed, for the past thirty years debt has been the major export and (almost) the sole commodity of the United States, which is part of the reason we are in the mess we are in right now. President Bush's post-9/11 admonition was not to conserve energy to get off foreign oil or be brave or support the war effort but rather:
"Go shopping."
(Or else the terrorists win.)
When industries default on their debts, we still tend to see that as a function of markets and free trade. As a culture we recognize that sometimes 'stuff happens' and businesses have to start over for the greater good of all; either by reorganization or selling off everything and 'going belly up'. When individual people default on their debts we still tend to judge them personally and harshy: We label them deadbeats, slackers, irresponsible lackeys.
We want it both ways. Go shopping or the terrorists win. But if you can't pay your debts because of the reckless practices of big business, high finance, credit card issuers, Wall Street, banks, government, or simply because you yourself have fallen on hard times (just like businesses do) through personal tragedy, job loss, or poor health, then rot in the street you lazy slackers you--you should have been more frugal.
We still have a double standard when it comes to debt: Justice for some.
And we still have a government of, by, and for the powerful and the monied.
What is Debt Anyway?
Money is symbolic. It only means what we as a society and a culture agree that it means.
The history of banking in the U.S. has been a series of boom times followed by repetitive panics and banking collapses, until finally the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913 opened the door to a unified national monetary policy (which itself gained support only after the Panic of 1907). In fact, the history of banking in general reads like this: boom, bust, boom, bust, boom, bust--partly because banks only make money when they loan money.
Banks are debt factories.
That's what they are, seriously.
During Colonial times, currency and bank notes were so variable and volatile that sometimes debt could be created simply because the value of the asset backing the note changed dramatically between the date of its issuance and the date of its redemption.
Ironically, after Andrew Jackson ran and won on a platform which railed against the banks as purveyors of debt and social woe, the country saw 25 of the most unstable financial years in its entire history, a period called "the Free Banking Era," (1837-1862).
The title "Free Banking" sounds very inspirational and patriotic, but in actual fact it amounted to a time during which thousands of state run banks with no regulation or consistency came and went in rapid succession, each of them lasting only a year or two until bank runs killed them off like clockwork, one by one. This was back in the 'good old days' of the gold standard, and yet money often was literally not worth the paper it was printed on, regardless of what theoretically backed it. (The paper also wasn't standard, so you often couldn't be sure of where or whether a note could be redeemed. Notes were not universal.)
At the end of the poorly-named 'Free Banking Era', as mentioned earlier, Lincoln had to create a uniform federal currency in order to raise enough money to fight the Civil War.
Lincoln's 'Greenbacks' were fiat currency--meaning they were backed only by the reputation of the government issuing them, but since the government issuing them was (at that time) a wealthy one with huge and growing factories and railroads, that actually worked out better than the treacherous state-run banks with specie currency (notes backed by gold, a.k.a. 'the gold standard').
The period between 1933 (the Depression-inspired Glass-Steagall Act regulating banks and separating investment, insurance, and depository institutions) and 1999 (the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealing Glass-Steagall), was the most stable financial period in American history.
Politcal ideologues have favorite scapegoats for our current situation with regard to debt and money, all of them based upon specific facets of the symbolic world of finance, facets these critics often don't understand themselves.
For example:
It's the Fed's fault. "The Fed is an evil centuries-old banking cabal." Or, it's all due to the abolition of the gold standard (which, historically speaking, did not result in less economic volatility--in fact some of the worst volatility in American history occured while the U.S was on the gold standard, but nevermind the facts). Or it's our evil socialist government (or fascist government, or whatever). Or it's the evil banks.
It's some new villain every week.
Weirdly, we now have talk of secession again over all of it, this time from Texas.
Yet it seems to me that the common thread running through all this money misery is not any specific facet of finance, but rather, debt itself, the concept and the embrace of that concept--and it also seems to me that we don't really think very hard about what debt is if we think about it at all. We just accept it. We feel it's necessary and normal and right. And we're all pretty sure that when it all goes horribly wrong it's some other guy's fault and we shouldn't have to pay for it.
I think it's time to re-examine our attitudes in the light of actual historical facts.
If money is symbolic (and it is) then debt is also symbolic.
Debt, it seems to me, is a contract between people who have means and people who do not. When debt is a function of wealthy people supporting each other in the service of creating even more wealth for themselves, then debt is seen as an economic good even though we can clearly show that, historically, debt generates intense misery and inevitable economic catastrophe and social collapse.
When debt is arranged between a person who has enough and a person who does not, debt is basically a slave contract. Debt essentially says in so many words, "I own you until you give me back 'X' amount plus interest. This agreement cements my status as a person of greater worth and power than you, and by accepting these terms you accept your inferior status."
It is the extreme inequity and the fact that basic existence is at stake that makes debt between social unequals slavery. When the creditor owns the means to sustain the life of the indebted person and uses that debt to maintain a contract of service which impoverishes and diminishes the subordinate, it is not just 'money' that is at stake.
If money symbolisms wealth, then debt (or its lack) symbolizes the power that monied persons wield over others and use to bend them to their own will. The symbolism here is like gravy over road kill. It hides something ugly, something you would never swallow unless you were very hungry--or just conditioned to think no other choice existed.
We no longer lock up debtors, but we still lock up the poor. One in every ten people in the U.S. is in prison today--the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world, higher even than China or all of the Arab nations combined.
And who fills our prisons? Petty theives, drug users, low level drug dealers, persons of no means, of no hope, of no use to society except as prisoners whose care and maintenance creates jobs in rural penal colonies. (Many are owned by a subsidiary of Haliburton.) Almost no one wealthy has been imprisoned for the recent collapse of the U.S. economy. No laws were broken. The wealthiest Americans made the laws.
Perhaps the current collapse will be the last, and when the dust settles, we can create something less ugly out of the ashes.
I doubt it though.
When will we get to the understanding that the diminishment of one human being diminishes all? Will it happen in my lifetime? Will it ever happen?
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Hi jk--I worked at a bank for almost two years. Ugh. Before that, insurance. In other words, I worked for Satan, pretty much. Never again if I can help it. (At least I'm not in debtor's prison though!)
Your hubs are always so insightful, thank you. Isn't it funny how we pat ourselves on the back, congratulating ourselves on how far we've come, when we still life in a very class-based, have and have-not society?
Hi CennyWenny--Thank you! I think everyone (me included) likes to believe nice things about themselves, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I also think we are fed a lot of propaganda and then not encouraged to read or think for ourselves, and then things go wrong and it feels like it's coming from out of left field, when really, it's happened in the past, there's a coherent story going on. I think we've fallen pretty far from some of our favorite America myths, but then in other ways, historically, you can see the thread was there all along.
Another great hub. Once again we are indebted to you! :)
I love that you started off with Moll Flanders (a book about making specific sums of money work; when there is no money to be had, about making speculation work; when that fails, about making crime work) and traced the history of debt, rather than the history of the banking industry or anything else. This society needs our debt. It's a big inverted pyramid shape, with individuals at the bottom owing the least, and (until recently) big businesses at the top owing the most -- now government is at the top, owing godless amounts of money to creditors outside the country. No wonder we feel the weight of it all.
The idea that you could imprison someone for failure to pay a small debt always struck me as appalling -- as imprisonment ensures that the person can not work to pay the debt off. I would be in debtors' prison right now if they still existed.
Thank you for outlining some of the real reasons for emmigration from Britain to the American continent. Financing a boatload of indentured servants must have been a good investment for businesses, and it ensured no "new start" for the passengers -- they were in debt again the moment they got on the boat. It might almost have been -- no, scrap that: it definitely WAS better to be arrested in Britain for stealing a loaf of bread and sent to the prison colonies in Australia. There, it was possible to achieve financial independence and freedom, leading to vital agriculture and infrastructure developments (well: the aborigines probably didn't quite see it that way, but still . . .).
Again, you engage the reader with your excellent manner of making complex issues readable, and your hubs are always a treat -- and always educational. A wealth of informayion, if someone hasn't already beaten me to it with that pun. . .
I'm about to spread this hub around Pam, fantastic. The reference to debt being equal to slavery is very meaty, especially as ignorant credit users live in debt and are complacent in understanding they are actually enslaved and not empowered. I loved your angle on this, very human.
Thank you for writing this hub. It's deep and powerful. Thank you for articulating something I've seen all my life.
In ancient civilizations, many of them, there was an annual date when all debts would be abolished. No one was in debt for more than a year. I think that mitigated it. But you're right about peolpe blaming the individual no matter what things outside their control ruined them personally.
If I'm the treasurer of one thousand nugets of gold and wanted to build a school to further develop the minds of future generations I could pay everyone on this hub one nuget each as a laborer including myself and use one hundred nugets for materials to build the school. We all have equal rights and equal pay.
That's only in the fairy tales. Now MANY people have taken over the treasury and they think they should make the most money and then they hire businesses like monsanto to come in and put small farmers out of business. I mean who cares? They are just the little people right? And besides if we put monsanto on the stock exchange, me and my buddies can invest in their company and make a ton of cash and to hell with the serfs.
The people mentioned in the above paragraph think the Earth and the Sun were put there by chance.
It was not until 1606 that the Virginia Company of London received a charter from the newly-crowned King James I. Following the precedent set by other companies such as the Moscovy Company and East India Company, the Virginia Company was a joint-stock company, which sold shares. All who purchased shares at a cost of £12 10s shared in the success or failure of the venture. The Virginia Company was formed both to bring profit to its shareholders and to establish an English colony in the New World. The Company, under the direction of its treasurer Sir Thomas Smith, was instructed to colonize land between the 34th and 41st northern parallel.
http://www.nps.gov/jame/historyculture/the-virgini
The colonies were a for-profit venture by a capitalist corporation.
When will we get to the understanding you mention? When the profit motive ceases to exist. When the power of love is greater than the love of power.
Pam -
As usual, a brilliant and an insightful hub! Good job!
Quillographer--thank you!
Teresa--There are some very good productions of Moll Flanders available on tape. It's a great story, and although it is often remembered as a bawdy one, in fact it paints an ugly and serious picture of the West and its traditions and history. I wrote this because it's been bothering me for some time, the crackpot statements people make about the economy and money and the way things should work. There are some things you can only say with a straight face if you're willing to accept a pile of lies and then close your eyes and plug your ears, and it seems like these days we hear all of those things on a daily basis. Thank you for your comments and for taking the time to read my hub.
Jewels & Robert, thank you. You know, I have to think lots of people are defaulting on their debts right now. I hope they are. I hope the whole thing falls down and can't be rebuilt.
White Horse--'Free markets' do not stay free, as one of the first things the people at the top do is enslave the people at the bottom. When you talk with a free market fanatic and ask them where are these free markets they worship, they always say there are no examples because their ideas have never been fully applied. The reason for that though, is that things go ugly and wrong so fast that there are rebellions and reforms, and for good cause. These people do literally think the the Earth and the Sun were put there by chance, and that is the heart of the problem. As a culture we do not value respect--we literally cannot see things right in front of our eyes, and to 're-spect' literally means to 'see again'. If you can't see to begin with you can't see again.
CWB, on the same page as usual. Imagine how the world would be if love really mattered? It barely even matters in religion these days.
bohica, thank you for stopping by. :)
Pam,
I enjoyed your hub. It was very educational. One step to coming out of this mess is to create more businesses that actually provide true value. Unfortunately, most businesses nowadays such as banks don't do much more than try to rip off as much money from people as they can. When enough of the "little people" stop cooperating with these parasites, that's when we'll see some positive change.
Hi johngriggs--I agree wholeheartedly. It seems that so many businesses today just gouge people and then set up 'customer service' 800 numbers that are hard to reach, hoping that people will just give up and accept it. Over the past three months I've seen increases in my cable, cell phone, and electric bills that seem to have no rational explanation on the bill itself (not that anyone could decipher those bills anyway, but I know nothing is different in our usage) and yet trying to get 1) a person on the phone and 2) a person who cares and understands and/or can fix the problem (if there is one) is a task for which you must set aside AT LEAST a half an hour. I think this is just the modern equivalent of a mugging.
I could not work at the bank call center after only two years. I could not stomach it any more. All day I listened to insanely angry people and had to explain policies I myself thought were borderline criminal and THEN try to sell them things! LOL! I couldn't do it anymore. I can't believe I did it as long as I did. So much of what we did there was designed to trap and fool people. It's so messed up. When I found myself encouraging people to stop using the bank I knew it was time to go, but honestly, I spoke with people who routinely paid $5,000 a year in fees--and they were NOT rich people. Thank you for your comments. :)
Pam, have you watched the movie I.O.U.S.A.the movie.
This is the 30 minute version on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_TjBNjc9Bo
Reality would suggest the next 20 years for the USA is not pretty, as you yourself have indicated.
Hi Jewels--Thank you, I look forward to takinga look at that. There's another one called "Maxed Out" that is pretty good too. Thank you for posting the link.
You put a lot of research into this one! It seems that many of the younger generation today do not realize there was a time you could not charge the things you wanted now. We do need to get back to the mindset that if you do not have the money you need to save for it until you do.
Hi Camping Dan--I agree, I think it will happen by default. Soon it will be much harder to get credit, and I kind of hope some of these big credit card companies will be finally reigned in. There is work being done now on credit card reform and regulation. Right now companies are sending out big rate increases to good, on-time customers to make up for all the defaults, and so good customers who can go elsewhere are doing it. I think credit cards will become much less viable as the next several years go by, and that's a good thing IMO. Thanks for your comments!
What an angle, Pam, that was just THE BEST read all month -- no offense, anyone :-) I realy don't have much to add to all you said, just hats off to you for the superb essay, thanks for writing it!
Thank you Elena! I really worked on this--too hard I think. I get obsessive sometimes about these projects. I really appreciate your positive feedback. I think, for HP and net it's a little too much--it's too long and too involved, but I really enjoyed writing it. It does make me want to watch one of the Moll Flanders movies again though. The one with Alex Kingsley is good, and so is the other most recent one. If you haven't seen either, check them out when you're looking for a good movie. Thanks again. :)
Pam, reading the results of your hard work, "too hard" paid off fabulously. And it's not too long, I could have gone on, tends to happen with good writing. I don't think I'm the only one around who thinks that. Stop fretting about long, give it to us in any size that fits the content, honest, we can take it :-)
'course now I will need to look up one Moll flanders or another :-)
Thanks! I am fretting. lol! (Another one of my sterling qualities...I'm a big fretter.) :)
The worldwide economic crisis has caused a series of problems, the economies of the countries have been affected to a certain extent. Credit system is far from perfect, long-term economic development will be a crisis to tide over the crisis, tomorrow will be even better!
Just seeing how long this Hub was made me really depressed about debt... It's clearly not something that we are a stranger to. You can tell how hard you worked on this! Imagine shipping debtors off now... Who'd be left? :P
Hi glassvisage--Thank you for stopping by. The sad thing is that this isn't the half of it! I had so much more I wanted to include and just had to stop writing. Maybe there's a book in this? Seriously, there could be. But yeah, so many Americans are in hock up to their eyeballs. I don't think there's enough prisons in the world for all of us! Thank God!
Very well researched piece. Good flow of relevant information. I loved this hub..........
I finally had time to read your entire article. Stellar job as usual. It seems to me the whole thing boils down to the subjugation of the many by the few, and money happens to be the means. They (whoever 'they' are) own all the energy, land and food, and are fast buying up all the water. What's next? Air?
Hi Tom--It does seem like that--you put it so well in a single phrase, "the subjugation of the many by the few, and money happens to be the means." The more I learn about American history, the more I think blind patriotism is misspent emotion. Thank you for your comment and for reading my hub.
I try to read all your great work. It's my loss if I don't!
Ya, patriotism. Too much of patriotism is about "this is mine and you can't take it". If it weren't being driven by these same thieves, "globalization" would be a great idea.
Yes I agree--in fact, in the long run globalization might still be a great idea, but in the short run it looks like it will be hard times for most people who live in the U.S. I don't understand the new crop of "me first, screw everybody else" fanatics. I just don't get that. And it's not like most of it is supported by any facts, it's a choice, a kind of irrational choice.
Such a well written hub!
"The first religious settlers in the American colonies were looking for a place where they could establish religious purity and homogeneity, not tolerance.."
I find it sad kids aren't told of this side of the story. And putting the Salem witch trial's into mind, I can't but help make some comparison to the pilgrims and Jim Jones to some degree.
Money is power...and if debt hangs over your head, you're stressed.
G|M
Hi GM--Yes, I think it would be great if kids got a more balanced view of American history instead of just getting all the myth and propaganda. It's interesting you mention the witch trials. In Europe, they were very much tied to land grabs by the Church. Here, it's murkier, but that would make a really interesting hub in itself! Thanks for stopping by.
Fantastic!!!
Jyoti Kothari
Thanks Jyoti. :)



























jkfrancis says:
7 months ago
A very interesting hub - makes you stop and think - especially for me, an ex-banker