The Science Of Faith
74The Science Of Faith
What is faith? If will first describe my idea of faith and then I will provide the webster definition for all of the webster buffs.
Faith is belief without logic. If logic can be described as a chain to find truth through thought, imagine faith and emotion having links being thrown into the chain of logic. Faith and emotion would only disrupt the chain. When finding logic, faith is a disruptive link.
How do emotions play into faith? To simplify it, emotions contradict logical decisions and beliefs. When there is more emotion, there is more faith. The stronger emotional high the believer is given, the stronger the believers faith will be.
One of the webster definitions of faith is: Faith: Belief and trust in and loyalty to God. :Belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion. Firm belief in something for which there is no proof. Complete Trust
Why does religious belief require faith? Because it contradicts logic.
Which is stronger? Faith is much stronger to the believer than logic. Why is this? Because faith is what the believer wants to believe. Logic is the debate that contradicts what they want to believe.
What faith based belief is the strongest? The one that has the most followers. Power is in numbers. The more believers, the more power.
What are the two largest religious beliefs in the world? 1. Christianity 2. Islam
It is estimated that Christianity has 2,100,000,000 – 2,200,000,000 followers worldwide while Islam has an estimated 1,300,000,000 – 1,600,000,000 followers worldwide.
What are the differences in the two largest faiths in the world?
I will try to simplify the two.Christianity is taught through the bible, Islam is taught through the Qur'an.
Christianity is the belief in Jesus as the savior and the only way to God.
Wikipedia: The foundation of Christian theology is expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds, which contain claims predominantly accepted by followers of the Christian faith. These professions state that Jesus suffered, died from crucifixion was buried, and was resurrected from the dead to open heaven to those who believe in him and trust him for the remission of their sins.
Islam is the belief that the Islamic prophet Muhammed is the savior and only way to God.
Islam is taught from the Qur'an. The Qur'an teaches that Muhammed was the last prophet of God and the most important. A majority of Muslims also teach against Jesus as many Christians teach against Muhammed.
What do these conflicting faiths do? They cause separatism and wars because believers choose faith over logic.
Faith is control of the group, logic is control of the individual.
Faith based beliefs are for control and power over followers. The more followers, the more power and control. If a group of people believe the same, they can be taught to think and behave the same. What happens when a person breaks the faith of the group? They develop and individual belief! What does the faith based group do to the individual? It destroys all credibility of the individual to protect the believers faith.
Your faith contradicts logic. There have been many innocent deaths because you feel the need to protect your faith. Is it logic or faith that tells you to kill those who don't believe as you? Logic would say everyone is entitled to free belief that doesn't intrude on others. Many more innocent lives will continue to be lost for the protection of faith.
In faith, Logic does not exist.
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I think one difference between Christian and Muslim is the
way Islam controls their followers. It is more like a dictatorship and in fact most Muslim countries are theocracies where you cannot separate the church from the state. These days numbers don't mean a lot since the Muslim religion is growing while the Christian is in decline.
Hello Advisor, Thank You for reading. I'm sorry to say that Jesus does just the opposite. There is no difference in christianity, muslim, or any other grouped belief. They teach favoritism for faith in their designated belief for control. This is a government, not a God. Any religion is a separatist belief that causes uneccessary wars to protect faith.
There is no global peace in separatist belief systems. There is no equality or unity in separatism.
Hello GA, thank You for reading and commenting. I agree with you. It seems the muslims are much more demanding of faithfull believers than the christian teachings. However, both contradict ability to form an individual belief. So, both have a lot of similar characteristics to control followers.
I would say that Christianity had its controlling times but that was way in the past. Religion, or people's interpretation of it, is at the back of so much trouble around the world.
Thank You for reading and commenting Ethel. Way in the past? The bible still teaches the same things it did in the past. It's whether or not preachers pick and choose or "interpret" what to preace. Heaven is a lot nicer to make people believe than constantly talking about hell for not believing. Any religion is seperatist, no matter what they claim to preach. All offer favoritism through faith and belief.
Again. You don't know anything about what you talk of. And you delete my comment because you cannot support your argument in the face of its flaws.
Why are you so scared to speak about the things you claim to have such an understanding about.
Do not be an intellectual coward, explain to me your flawed understandings. And you should stop deleting my comments, so the others can see and consider the real facts.
You said,... "In faith, Logic does not exist."
My God tells me,... "To test all things, hold fast to that which is true"
Anyone who doesnt follow that advice is lost.
I deleted the comment because you make emotional irrational insults in protection of your faith. This is what the bible teaches you, God acts off of emotions rather than logic, so you follow your teacher. You are not up for intellectual conversation, only circular emotional insults to protect your faith.
I just did a search and found the same stats you gave: Christianity #1, Islam #2. Interesting Islam has now surpassed Catholicism. I distinctly remember hearing a few years ago that Christianity was #4. Wonder what the spin was? Have you seen any spots on Full Quiver? Like the Dugars with 18 children? They are pretty forthcoming in saying they want to increase the population of fundamentalist Christians in the world. At any rate, given the recent Twilight Zone, good to see you here with your usual logical brain.
Hello rmcrayne, Thank You for reading. Yes, I am still logically here! Don't tell anyone! There is actually a method behind my madness. I assure you, it is with logical intent. Thank You for reading.
Hmmm... I just hope no cruelty to the gullible ones, and no intent to try to provoke believers to un-Christ-like responses when you pull the rug out. I want to turn away, but can't help myself from staying tuned into the saga.
Rm, I am simply showing the difference between logic and faith. The faithfull ones believe me, the logical ones do not. It is amazing that no one reads what I write until I claim to share the same faith as them. This is separatism. The faithfull accept the faithfull and reject the logical.
Faith is something that should be kept within.
Hello tantrum, I agree. Thank You for reading.
Lots of interesting things to observe in your forum thread. Even with several posts referencing this hub, even providing a transcript, some are oblivious. Still they go on and on. I guess it explains a lot, about a lot of hubbers’ forum habits. Silly me, I read as much of a thread as possible before commenting. Or even look at key hubtivity. Don’t think I’ve ever tracked someone down on a hub before though.
This is my point of what faith does. It believes without logic. Why did you check up on me? Because you have a logical mind and don't trust faith over logic.
Faith is trust, and you, with your untruthfulness, have abused the trust others had in you.
It has been said repeatedly in the Bible that real faith is demonstrated, is proven by works. It is neither unreasonable nor sinful to ask for proof, and if you were a real believer in Jesus, you would know that. I got enough proof of your "conversion." Your work has proven yourself to be deceitful, cynical, and all too willing to exploit the good will of others to then turn and mock them.
Valerie, the only way the faithfull such as yourself will listen is when one says they share the same faith. If someone disagees with their faith, the believer does everything possible to discredit the individual for challenging their faith. The only way a believer will listen to logic is when you say you believe as them. If you didn't limit your mind so much from faith, you would see my logical point of doing what I did. Much can be learned about how logic and faith works. You refuse to learn anything that challenges your faith. Instead, you have an emotional outbreak and cry foul when a believer will constantly lie and be hypocritical to protect faith. What else did I prove? Logic rules over faith for finding truth.
I was smart enough to sniff you out, seek proof, and find it. (Jesus did say "Seek and you will find." I've got more proof that He was right there, as well as proof that Jesus wants us to be logical.)
You have proven yourself guilty of jerking people around, pulling strings, and all to prove a "point" that believers are mindless sheep who will believe anything. A few believers have smelled a rat. I'm not having an "emotional outbreak." I'm just as interested as Yoshi is in exposing the truth.
This little experiment of yours proves you have no standing whatsoever to criticize anyone for lying. Whether any religion is or isn't factual, its believers believe it's truth, so they're not lying in perpetuating it. You, on the other hand, have deliberately lied, which makes what you've done worse.
Why do you think it's okay for you to lie, but not okay for others?
Valerie, I already explained why I did what I did. You do not accept it, so you make things up for why I posed as being saved. You say "and all to prove a "point" that believers are mindless sheep who will believe anything."
You prove my point with your faith based emotional arguements. The point is, your faith teaches believers to destroy the individual to protect faith. Pretty logical when you understand how your faith works.
very well put together and well written. Thanks for sharing.
I cannot repeat this enough
F A I T H
For All Intelligent Thought Hallucinate
I cannot repeat this enough
F A I T H
Forget All Intelligent Thought Hallucinate
Thank You for reading and commenting Misty. Much appreciated.
Opinion Duck, Thank You for the logic!
I wonder why it is, that everytime someone wants to make a negative comment about spiritual principles, they ALWAYS fail to include two points. First, they leave God completely out of the discusion. And secondly, they fail to include mans tendency to fall short in all of his endeavors. These two points are so crucial to have an adequate conversation concerning faith and logic, to discard them is irrational and unlogical.
Danny, are you speaking of the bible God?
thats right 'in faith logic does not exist'. fantastic
Cleanclover, Thank You for reading and commenting. I may actually go back on that comment. I think faith does and can work with logic when logic is found before the faith. However, I think it is contradiction to finding a logical truth when faith is used before logic.
advisor4qb says:
2 weeks ago
I cannot tell you how many times I have had to take on faith that the right thing would happen in my life, and it did...Sometimes that leap of faith is a hard move to make.
I think that the argument between Christians and Muslims is simply a case of ego. People who are truly connected to the Master Spirit we all think of as God (really, He is what I consider to be the source of all energy and thus the creator of everything and believed by some to be synonymous with Jesus)operate in love and believe in universal laws that bring the most happiness for the greatest number of people by operating from a place of higher understanding.
A global vision of peace, as opposed to conflicting egos, may be the prescription to alleviate the existing power struggles between opposing factors.