The Social Security Card Number SSN and Weirdness You Won't Believe!
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The Social Security Number Explained
Read this hub if you want to or just go down to the bottom of this page to the part that starts with-
Here is something Very Interesting Doctor Watson
and read that part -- it is really freaky.
Social Security USA-How the SSN Helps Locate People (even though it isn't supposed to)
Of course there is a lot more to this but this is the basic beginning to understanding how it works.
The first three digits of the social security number are useful in locating people because those numbers show the state the person (or their parents) applied for it in. It is nearly always regarded as the person's home state, the state where they were probably born, a state to which they may return.
It is also a state they very well may have friends or relatives they stay in touch with or physically stay with from time to time or receive help from. Somewhere in your investigative search, collection efforts, contacts, a county, city or town in that state might be referred to and may lead you to your missing person.
The key to determining the state in which the Social Security Card was issued is only the first 3 numbers of the SS number. When all else fails, do a surname only search in your subjects home state. You are pretty much guaranteed to then be able to talk with family members, neighbors or old friends who might have a lead for you.
This list below shows every states first 3 number code of the SSN.
004 to 007 Maine ME
008 to 009 Vermont VT
010 to 034 Massachusetts MA
035 to 039 Rhode Island RI
040 to 049 Connecticut CT
050 to 134 New York NY
135 to 158 New Jersey NJ
159 to 211 Pennsylvania PA
212 to 220 Maryland MD
221 to 222 Delaware DE
223 to 231 Virginia VA
232 to 236 West Virginia WV
237 to 246 North Carolina NC
247 to 251 South Carolina SC
252 to 260 Georgia GA
261 to 267 and 589 to 595 Florida FL
260 to 302 Ohio OH
303 to 317 Indiana IN
318 to 361 Illinois IL
362 to 386 Michigan MI
387 to 399 Wisconsin WI
400 to 407 Kentucky KY
408 to 415 Tennessee TN
416 to 424 Alabama AL
425 to 428 and 587 to 588 Mississippi MS
429 to 432 Arkansas AR
433 to 439 Louisiana LA
440 to 448 Oklahoma OK
449 to 467 and 627 to 645 Texas TX
468 to 477 Minnesota MN
478 to 485 Iowa IA
486 to 500 Missouri MO
501 to 502 North Dakota ND
503 to 504 South Dakota SD
505 to 508 Nebraska NE
509 to 515 Kansas KS
516 to 517 Montana MT
518 to 519 Idaho ID
520 Wyoming WY
521 to 524 Colorado CO
525 and 585 New Mexico NM
526 to 527 and 600 to 601 Arizona AZ
530 Nevada NV
531 to 539 Washington WA
540 to 544 Oregon OR
545 to 573 and 602 to 626 California CA
574 Alaska AK
575 to 576 Hawaii HI
577 to 579 District of Columbia DC
587 to 588 Mississippi MS
589 to 595 Florida FL
646 to 647 Utah UT
648 to 649 New Mexico NM
581 - 585 Puerto Rico & Guam & American Samoa & Philippine Islands
586 - Guam & Mariana Island & American Samoa & Philippine Islands
650-699 unassigned, for future use
700-728 Railroad workers through 1963, then discontinued
729-799 unassigned, for future use
800-999 not valid SSNs.
Some sources have claimed that numbers above 900 were used when some state programs were converted to federal control, but the current Social Security Administration documents claim that no numbers above 799 have ever been used. (Yes, well, read dr. watson) I don't believe ANYthing they *claim*.
The middle two digits of the social security number are the group number and have no geographical significance. They just break the SSN into conveniently sized blocks for use in internal operations and order of issuance.
Also, it is helpful to know - SSN's are never reassigned when people die. Benefits may be payable to dependents and survivors or the SSN holder long after the social security number holder dies. The SSN is used to administer the payment of these benefits. The current 9-digit number provides roughly 1 billion SSNs. Roughly 478 million SSNs have been issued.
The last four digits of the social security number are the serial number; representing a straight numerical series of numbers from 0001-9999 within each group.
Here is something Very Interesting Doctor Watson - In all the years I have been P.I.ing around, two times, twice -- I have actually SEEN in a data bank with my own 2 little eyes social security numbers that have a LETTER attached to the end of them. One was the letter *A* and the other one I don't recall.
I actually phoned the SSN administration office to ask them about it. They completely denied they exist. They said there has NEVER been a letter in ANY social security number on any card EVER issued. So, being curious AND the families I was helping wanted to know what it meant as they thought it was a typo-- I looked further into these two cases. One of them was definitely military - the other I could not find a military record FOR but that doesn't mean he wasn't.
DELETE...if you get my drift.
Here's the thing that bugs me to this day...It can't BE a typo because unless the rectangular spot on the data input persons program has been altered by a programmer; it will only HOLD 9 digits! So, yes, they can and do make typos - transpose numbers, etc...BUT they cannot add an extra number or an extra anything....UNLESS THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND PUT THERE FOR A REASON.
AND I HIGHLY SUSPECT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM and that THEY DO EXIST MUCH MORE THAN I'VE RUN ACROSS AND THAT THEY JUST ARE *REMOVED* FOR WHATEVER REASON before they leave where ever they were that put the letter there in the first place.
So, when someone is entered, the powers that be above have already removed the letter at the big P or where ever before they ever get to being used in databanks (where they were NEVER EVER meant to be in the first place).
What do you make of that and have you ever seen one? If you have seen one - PLEASE OH PLEASE write to me and let me know.
Another thing that happens that never should is sometimes people are issued more than one number. I have NO idea how this could happen but it does and here is one story - it happened to a very close friend of mine. She had moved abroad for several years and upon returning to the US she went to the SS Admin office as she had lost her card and wanted a new one. She had never before requested a card since she'd been issued one she at age 17 she thought.
She told me that the lady looked up from the monitor and just flatly as you please stated ;
"You have 2 numbers, pick one."
Well, sheesshh, geeezzzz. I mean - after ALL those years wouldn't you think you and THEY would want to know which number all the earnings had been going under?? Split? One or both or something else? Pick the wrong one and you get --NADA??
She could NOT get any further and could not get any answers; she HAD TO PICK ONE. Just like that - right then - on the spot. What dod you do? Demand to phone your congressman on the spot?
In conclusion (boring ending-big let down)
Invalid SSNs:
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Any SSN conforming to one of the following criteria is an invalid number: Any field all zeroes (no field of zeroes is ever assigned). First three digits above 740 The key to determining the state in which the Social Security Card was issued is the first 3 numbers of the SS number.
***A last note - Canadian Social Insurance numbers (SIN#), which are the equivalant of the SSN, can be the same as a number issued in the USA. SO if you have a number that doesn't show up in the USA, try it in a Canadian database - You just may find it there. Example: I entered a Canadian friend's SIN# into a USA database for a particular reason and came up with a SSN issued in Texas/year issued, ect... Not Good.
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That is really interesting - so how does the government
#1 - collect taxes?
#2 - pay people old age benefits?
I'm reading this with my mouth opened. This blows my mind! I checked down the list and you're absolutely right about the first three digits! Amazing.
Well if you didn't know this maybe a lot of people don't - send this hub to them because everyone should know this!!
Dear Mr. M - I am still very curious if AU has nothing like the USA SSN - then how does the country keep track of taxes? Or don't you lucky Aussies have to pay them!?
Do you know the meaning of the red number on the backside of social securitycards?
No but now that you mention it I am going to find out.
Thanks for asking that.
I'll post it when I discover what they mean.
Melanie
This apparently is what they mean although I am unable to verify the accurateness of this information.
"It is your Social Security Account Number, (PIN) I think the one they are trying to implament in your personal savings plan with Wall Street. Pretty Quick HUH. The changes have been made before the vote, or do we get to vote, I can't remember."
When I took my eldest daughter to the hospital, as a baby, for an emergency, she didn't yet have a social security number, so, our insurance company used MY social plus letter A in order to start medical coverage benefits for her. When we received her SSN we updated the insurance records.
Maybe this is how you've found socials with a letter A at the end?
The problem is that the social security numbers started around 1934 and now they are your master identity number, including your tax id number. This is not a good use of the SSN.
Why, because it makes identity theft really easy.
good hub
It's funny. I remember my grandfather telling me about all the talk and discussion going around at the time of the creation of the SSA back in the 1930's. One thing he said has stuck with me through the years. Politicians of the time swore on their eternal souls that the SSN would never be used as an identifer of a person. Oops. So much for the promises of politicians.
That part about the first three digits is interesting, I never knew my parents applied in CA for my SSN. I always thought it was MO. Great hub.
someonewhoknows - ummmmm.
I have NO idea what you are talking about here!!!!
None.
Worked for a private detective for three years, never saw a letter attached to one then. Worked for one of the big three credit bureau's in a governmental division that provided false ID for secret service and FBI purposes, saw it then, but have no clue what it meant.
Jerilee -
THAT is very interesting. Any other thoghts as to what it may mean?
Or do you surmise it is just that - false ID for secret service and FBI purposes.
I've thought about it, but nothing that I'd be willing to write about after years of working on Capitol Hill. Maybe government purposes, but I can't see why because it would raise eyebrows anytime you'd give it out. It was rare and no one wanted to talk about it.
If I recall correctly, SSNs with an "A" suffix aren't SSNs but Medicare ID numbers - which are basically the same as SSNs. You may want to explore that road regarding the "A" suffix.
There's a block of SSNs in the 500s (I believe they fall into the Mississippi group )that seem to have been utilized for SE Asian "boat people" back in the 70's and 80's. I once worked at a large bank and could do a customer search by SSN or partial SSN and discovered that every customer with a number beginning with that three-digit prefix had an Asian name.
What's even cooler than the prefix numbers being assigned geogrpaically is that if you have the right info, the middle two digits ("group") can give you an idea as to when a SSN was issued and to tell if it could logically belong to the person claiming that number.
The group number for each prefix is issued in the following pattern: 01, 03, 05, 07, 09 - then even numbers 10 to 98, then 02, 04, 06, 08, and then odd numbers 11 to 99. So, for example,if you look at only the middle two digits, 02 is a newer number than 78, 09 would be older than 02, and 77 would be newer than 78. Any SSN with an odd group number less than 10 was probably issued no later than 1939 or so.
There have been SO many interesting therories presented here. THANKS!
It IS a very interesting topic and still a mystery. Not much proof to PROVE
our concepts.
All three sets of Social Security Numbers have meanings. There is an excellent article: "Structure of Social Security Numbers" with information contributed by Jerry Crow (crow@anasaz.com) and Barbara Bennettthat explains that the first 3 digits are the state of issue; the next two are the year of issue; and the last 4 aare the serial nuber that is just the order in which your number was issued. There is a link stevemorse dot org slash ssn slash ssn where you can enter numbers and you will see that the explanation is accurate.
As for the alpha at the end of a SSN. My 84 year old aunt has my grandfather's card. It has an A at the end of his number. The Social Security Office told her that card was never issued to anyone. But it was his card. To my knowledge he was never in the military. He was born in 1879 but I cn find no record of hin prior to the late 30's or early 40's no matter where I search.
Interesting!
Sorry about the typos in the previous posting.
Can you use a Canadian Social Insurance number instead of a
Social Security number.. for curtain things, such as
employment. Please email. me
>>>> up2datyme@gmail.com
I am not sure what it is you mean...?
A SSN cannot be used in Canada for work and the same goes in reverse.
They may only be used in the country they are designed for...as in, that is what a *green card* does if you move from say Germany to USA...you get a USA number then if you work and live there...
Another interesting hub. I worked for the IRS in the 60's and I found out about the first three numbers. Thanks for the rest that I didn't know. Great hub.
dear freta - wow - that is wild you worked for the IRS and didn't know the rest.
Guess they like to try and keep everyone in the dark! lol
Best - Melanie
My mother and I have SSN's that are literally two digits off each other on the last four numbers. She applied for her card and mine at the same time (I was born in Australia, where she had lived all her life, and she wanted to move to the US to live with my dad.)
What is interesting, though, is that she applied in Australia for our numbers...but according to our numbers, we applied in Ohio. None of my friends from Ohio have numbers beginning in 275, either.
I wonder why?
The codes following a Social Security number indicatethe type of benefits you are entitled to. The Social Security number followed by one of these codes is often referred to as a claim number and they are only assigned once you apply for benefits. These letter codes may appear on correspondence that you receive from Soical Security or on your Medicare card. They will never appear on a Social Security number card.
For example, if your Social Security number is 123-45-6789, then once you apply for retirement benefits, your claim number is 123-45-6789A. This number will also be used as your Medicare claim number, once you are eligible for Medicare.
Code
Identification
A
Wage Earner (Retirement)
B
Wife
B1
Husband
B2
Young Wife
C1-C9
Child - Includes disabled or student child
D
Aged Widow
D1
Widower
D6
Surviving Divorced Wife
E
Widowed Mother
E1
Surviving Divorced Mother
E4
Widowed Father
E5
Surviving Divorced Father
F1
Father
F2
Mother
F3
Stepfather
F4
Stepmother
F5
Adopting Father
F6
Adopting Mother
G
Claimant of Lump-Sum Death Benefits
HA
Wage earner (disability)
HB
Wife of disabled wage earner
HB1
Husband of disabled wage earner
HC Child of disabled wage earner
M
Uninsured – Premium Health Insurance Benefits (Part A)
M1
Uninsured - Qualified for but refused HIB (Part A)
T
Uninsured - Entitled to HIB (Part A) under deemed or renal provisions
W
Disabled Widow
W1
Disabled Widower
W6
Disabled Surviving Divorced Wife
tdugan - wow...WOW...I mean WOW!!!!! OK - I am NOT saying I believe you. But if you are correct, PLEASE enlighten us all (or Pretty Please me privately!) HOW do you KNOW this??
I mean, NOBODY I have ever asked knows this. You read this - you saw even ppl who work for them didn't even know there *are* letters.
BUT...in TWO cases I personally know that there was, in fact, an *A* on the card itself.
I am having a Very hard time believing this...I think perhaps you are refering to something similar but yet different to this hubs real meaning.
Melanie - Please write back!
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MrMarmalade says:
2 years ago
In Australia we do not have a SSN
Federal Government is endeavouring to bring them into force, meeting a lot of opposition.
Thank you