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By A.M. Gwynn

April 1869 The Dream

 

“We musicians seem to be willing to self destruct in order to achieve our goals. We are willing to suffer any obstacle in order to recreate the great masterworks of music with passion." *

 

We like to put people on pedestals. We also want front row seats, so we can bear witness to their self destruction. Musicians have been known to self destruct. Other creative people: poets, actors, scientists, philosophers, painters and writers, have all displayed a self destructiveness over the course of history. Musicians and highly creative people in general, have always walked the fine line of the world's psychiatric analysis and it has encouraged them to behold in themselves some flaw, some separateness.

The gatekeepers to the definition of sane, would have creative people believe because they are creative they have tendencies toward suffering a mental illness. But these "illnesses" however real or imagined are actually relative to the population. Highly creative people are set apart in some ways, but they have no more a propensity to madness than their non-creative counterparts.

I agree for the most part with this statement made by an anonymous poster on a discussion board on this subject on May 5 2009:

"Anyone who knows something of the psychology of creativity, also knows that creative people suffer more severely from social pressures than 'adapted people' because they are more sensitive to them, because their creative drive is emotional in nature, not rational, and they have to rely upon them without the security of rational argument which makes them extra vulnerable to hostility from the environment." (2)

Psychiatry has finally been forced to admit (if not to themselves then to the population it treats) that most of the brain and it's intricate essential make-up is unknown to them. There are many behaviors, tendencies and mechanics of the mind they do not understand. Anyone willing to spend some real time conducting in-depth study, can find many flaws with the theory of 'creativity equals mental illness'.

If you play music with passion and love and honesty, then it will nourish your soul, heal your wounds and make your life worth living. Music is it's own reward. ~Sting

 


Prague
Prague

 

Yes, highly creative people in all of the arts and sciences have sometimes displayed manic depression, schizophrenia and other related psychiatric psychoses, but within the population of the millions of creative people, variably most of them live out their lives by society's standards of "normal." And remember too, one man's sanity has always been anothers lunacy (vice versa).

I found the following quite real and amusing, a humorous hitting of the proverbial nail on the head in part:

"Being creative is a tortuous process. First we torture ourselves as we try to find a creative way to show an idea. Then we're tortured by the average minds who laugh and watch as we torture ourselves. Then we're tortured by the people who sell our ideas to all those average minds, because the only way to sell to an average mind is to average-out the idea. And if the idea still doesn't sell, well, now the torture really begins. The only entity in that equation more tortured than a man with an idea, is the idea itself." (3)

Andrea Marie Kuszewski, a researcher from Bogotá, Columbia recently posted research papers on: The Genetics of Creativity: A Serendipitous Assemblage of Madness. She seems to believe in the hypothesis that creativity and madness are linked. Yet the opening statement to her papers says:

Creativity is a subject that has been relatively neglected in psychological research until recently. The difficulty in defining and measuring creativity has been a contributing factor to the small amount of research in this area to date.” (4)

If this is so, how is it that we already have a diagnosis linking highly creative people to mental illnesses from the Psychiatric profession?

 


 

"Music - The one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind but which mankind cannot comprehend." - Ludwig van Beethoven

 

According to a recent Gallup Survey there are nearly 63 million musicians in the United States; professional and non-professionals pursuing the creation of music. Music is a part of human DNA. Even before birth, we are exposed to music and song. And truly, every one of us, carries their own soul song within them.

It is the one life essence that is common to us all, so deep and all encompassing that it literally connects us to every other human being. Regardless of race, continent or society, it bypasses any politics or religion. It is bound by no language, no law, no definitions. Music's intention is unconditional. It exists without asking for anything but an instrument. It gives everything that it is. Music has it's own brain.

Perhaps from this we might speculate that musicians as opposed to non-musicians do as well? Have a separate sort of brain I mean. We know that there are some for whom music is so compelling and innately powerful, they are unable to contain it within themselves. They can no more separate themselves form music as they could their own limb. And that world is where the artist revolves and evolves. They don't choose, they get chosen. There are people who love music and there are those who are music.

We get to look through their glass, find our affinities in them. They are our reflections in the mirror. Perhaps we are all in the throes of mental illness? Certain Associations would have us wonder as much. We have never been so medicated in all of history. I for one grow weary of the psychoanalysis. Is the psychiatric community justified in leading us to believe that creative people possess some inherent madness that propels them toward creativity? Is their creativity born from madness?

Certainly creativity can become so powerful that it can cause great anxiety, fear, contradiction, sadness. Yes, perhaps madness exists within us all to some degree. But why is there a need to continuously link creativity to some disorder? Is it a fear in ways we don't understand that we have in ourselves? Do we wish to glimpse inside some deviant or mysterious room that we don't have the key for?

 


A Brief Glimpse

 

Below is a partial list of some of the names of the people from Kay Jamison's book: Touched With Fire; Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament. It is meant only to give the reader a resource for further study and is meant to be an illustrative not comprehensive list.

KEY:

H = Asylum or psychiatric hospital

S = Suicide

SA = Suicide attempt

Famous Poets with Bi Polar Disorders:

Marina Tsvetayeva (S)
Walt Whitman (S)
Charles Baudelaire (SA)
Ernest Dowson
T.S. Eliot (H)
Randal Jarrell (H, S)
Samuel Johnson
John Keats - More
Louis MacNeice
Osip Mandelstam (H, SA)
Vladimir Mayakovsky (S)
Edna St. Vincent Millay (H)
Boris Pasternak (H)
Sylvia Plath (H, S)
Edgar Allan Poe (SA)
Ezra Pound (H)
Alexander Pushkin
Theodore Roethke (H)
Anne Sexton (H, S)
Percy Bysshe Shelley - More (SA)
Sara Teasdale (H, S)
Alfred, Lord tennyson
Dylan Thomas

Famous Writers with Bi Polar Disorders:

Hans Christian Andersen
James Barrie
William Faulkner (H)
F. Scott Fitzgerald (H)
Maxim Gorky (SA)
Kenneth Graham
Ernest Hemingway (H, S)
Hermann Hesse (H, SA)
Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)
Charles Dickens
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Herman Melville
Eugene O'Neill (H, SA)
Mary Shelley
Jean Stafford (H)
Robert Louis Stevenson
Leo Tolstoy
Tennessee Williams (H)
Mary Wollstonecraft (SA)
Virginia Woolf (H, S)

Famous Musicians & Composers with Bipolar Disorders:

Composers

Anton Bruckner (H)
George Frederic Handel
Charles Ives
Otto Klemperer (H)
Gustav Mahler
Modest Mussorgsky
Sergey Rachmaninoff
Giocchino Rossini
Robert Schumann (H, SA)
Alexander Scriagbin
Peter Tchaikovsky

Nonclassical composers and musicians

Irving Berlin (H)
Noel Coward
Stephen Foster
Charles Mingus (H)
Charles Parker (H, SA)
Cole Porter (H)
Kurt Cobain, musician (Nirvana) (S 1994)

Famous Artists with Bipolar Disorders:

Ralph Barton (S)
Francesco Bassano (S)
Ralph Blakelock (H)
Francesco Borromini (S)
John Sell Cotman
Richard Dadd (H)
Edward Dayes (S)
Thomas Eakins
Paul Gauguin (SA)
Theodore Gericault
Hugo van der Goes
Vincent van Gogh (H, S)
Arshile Gorky (S)
Philip Guston (H)
George Innes (SA)
Michelangelo Buonarroti
Adolphe Monticelli
Edvard Munch (H)
Georgia O'Keeffe (H)
Jackson Pollock (H)
Dante Gabriel Rossetti (SA)
Pietro Testa (S)
George Frederic Watts
Sir David Wilkie

 


 

The partial list is long enough but there are hundreds on the list. As one sees, there is good cause perhaps why those in the psychiatric fields may conclude there is a definite link between creativity and mental disorder.

And are those who have mental illness simply in denial? Would they even recognize their own illness? It could very well be that without their "illness", such creative genius that flows forth from them might be impossible. Is it a curse, a blessing, both or neither? Creativity will always return to us our imagination and our magic. If this is all born from madmen, from some dis-ease, could it be the most glorious madness we have ever imagined?

Perhaps no analysis is necessary. Perhaps it simply is.

I neither advocate that mental illness is acceptable, in the sense of the harm it may do to a person, nor that if a person seeks medication to control their illness that it is either a bad or good thing. I am not in the business of medicine.

But creativity itself is not a madness. It needs no analysis, no diagnosis. Whatever shall we do with ourselves other than to create, from wherever that emanates from? Whatever can we do but learn to live with ourselves and our creativity in the only way we know how? Perhaps in the future we may have clearer answers to these questions?

 


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* Janet Horvath; Associate Principal Cellist - Minnesota Orchestra

(2) Creative minds: the links between mental illness and creativity:
Roger Dobson, The Independant/©independent.co.uk Tuesday, 5 May 2009
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/features/creative- minds-the-links-between-mental-illness-and-creativity-1678929.html

(3) Ahmad A. Jordan: Is Everybody Creative? My Head Space
http://www.my-head-space.com/musings.asp?slno=77

(4) Kuszewski, Andrea Marie,The Genetics of Creativity: A Serendipitous Assemblage of Madness(March 1, 2009). METODO Working Papers, No. 58. Available at SSRN: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1393603

 

 

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Drum Lessons Beginners  says:
8 months ago

Cheers this was a great read :)

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
8 months ago

I appreciate that. Thank you so much for reading.

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midnightbliss  says:
6 months ago

nice hub and really interesting topic.

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
6 months ago

Thank you midnightbliss. I appreciate you taking the time to read. It certainly is a compelling issue.

Andi  says:
6 months ago

Hello... I randomly found this blog that cites my paper on Creativity. Thank you for taking the time to read it!

The point I was making when saying there is "relatively little research done in this area" it was in comparison to other traits, like intelligence. Because it is difficult to define the phenotype of creativity in terms that most researchers can agree on, people have chosen not to study it as much as they would intelligence or psychopathology. However, the last 10 years, and especially the last 5 years, we have seen an exponential increase in the amount of VALID research being done in this area, thanks to the neuroscientists who have so diligently designed studies in which to measure this behavior in the brain.

For the most recent research on this subject, look to Rex Jung, PhD from The University of New Mexico and the Mind Institute in Albuquerque; he just published a paper on the "threshold theory of creativity", giving biochemical support to the phenomenon that was noticed by Guliford years ago, but was only a hypothesis.

Because creativity is SUCH a complex trait/phenomenon, it is difficult to separate out the "noise" and measure what you are truly trying to measure. Incidentally, the link to psychopathology has always been there and noticed, but what we are trying to figure out is this: what is the distinguishing factor between having the genes for schizophrenia and being functionally creative, and having the genes for schizophrenia and having the manifested disorder? What are the controlling mechanisms in the brain that help to mediate those necessary divergent thinking tendencies yet in a way that is optimally functional?

Anyway.... I am still working on the answers to these questions, but thank you for referring to my work. Have a good week!

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
6 months ago

Ms. Kuszewski, thank you so much for responding to the citation.

This "valid" research conducted is certainly interesting. It has been such a long suffering hypothesis with no concrete results; though I am wondering if there truly can be anything concrete that could definitely link creativity to illnesses such as schizophrenia? I will research Rex Jung's work. Any findings in this area can be no less than compelling, as no straightforward findings have ever been forthcoming from this theory.

I have always been under the impression that the goal was only to link mental illness and creativity. There is so much we as lay people do not understand about the process and particular points involved in this research; though we are extremely interested in it on personal and intellectual levels.

For many years we have been bombarded from the mental health professions, with the "statements" that mental illness is inherent in high creative drive. But we have never had medical or scientific evidence of this and so, as often times as mental illness and highly creative people have seemingly coexisted for centuries, as I also stated here in my article: "highly creative people in all of the arts and sciences have sometimes displayed manic depression, schizophrenia and other related psychiatric psychoses, but within the population of the millions of creative people, variably most of them live out their lives by society's standards of 'normal'." I am concerned as to why we are hearing this from them when there has been no real finding to date?

I hope that in the future, we can find the answers to these questions that compel us to this research. And those of you in the field of this research should be commended. At the same time, I am concerned that in finding some definite correlation between mental disorder and creativity, where will the mental health field possibly direct themselves in relation to diagnosis, treatment, and future detriment to the process of creativity itself because of the findings? We have certainly been mis-diagnosed enough, drugged to the gills with sometimes dangerous drugs and led to believe that creativity therefore must be monitored and perhaps controlled.

Thank you for the information on Dr. Jung. I hope other readers will also seek out any information they can from this work.

I very much appreciate that you took the time to respond to this. I hope you continue with success, and I look to your work with great interest.

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danielchakraborty  says:
5 months ago

this is a great writeup. thanks for posting.

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
5 months ago

Thanks Daniel. I appreciate your feedback!

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elisabethkcmo  says:
5 months ago

Your hub made me think.. Recently I saw a program on PBS about music and the brain (Sorry, don't remember what it was called.) But one of the researcher's points was that sex, drugs, and rock and roll all share the same pleasure center in the brain.... makes we wonder about the penchant for addictive behaviors (or self-destruction) among those that have that passion and gift to create music, hmm... is the different wiring of the pleasure center both a gift and a curse? ever met anybody who didn't care that much about music with an addictive personality??

just some thoughts, hope that makes sense

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
5 months ago

Elisabeth... yes, I saw that too. I believe it was called exactly that, "Music and the Brain." It was definitely fascinating.

You make perfect sense, and raise an interesting question:

"Ever met anybody who didn't care that much about music with an addictive personality??"

I am sure there are those who don't have an addictive personality who Love and create music. To be completely honest... I don't know a one of them! ha

Andi  says:
5 months ago

Hello! I wanted to update you on a new piece I just wrote for Scientific Blogging on creativity as the necessary element in genius, in case you wanted to take a look. It relates to the idea of being talented in multiple domains as a predictor for adulthood creative achievement.

http://www.scientificblogging.com/rogue_neuron/wha

There are lots of interesting and thoughtful comments following it as well. I hope you have a great weekend! :)

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
5 months ago

Absoluely fascinating. I loved it!

You made several points in your piece that I have often wondered about... the concern; not concern really but curiosity with, the IQ Test as the sole defining factor of intelligence. I also liked that you touched on 'practical ability'.

And I had no idea that researchers even bothered with the lower end of the distribution.

This is a must read for anyone interested in the subject of this Hub. Thank you very much Andi, for giving the link here to your piece. Much appreciated!

http://www.scientificblogging.com/rogue_neuron/wha

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Bard of Ely  says:
5 months ago

An interesting and well-researched hub about a topic I am well aware of being a musician and writer myself who has in the past been treated for depression, anxiety and drug problems. I also have a lot of friends who are bi-polar and depressives to the degree that it has made me wonder why this is!

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
5 months ago

Hi Bard! You and me both. And I'm sure millions of others, contemplating this very thing.

Thank you for your comments.

Sometimes it feels like to me, that WE think we are normal, because this is how we live and then we find that we are actually subjects of research. Ha! It can be a double edged sword perhaps.

I cited researcher Andrea Kuszewski's work for this article and she was kind enough to read it and respond. Her detailed comments are above. She has written extensively on this very subject and is continuing her research. Do look at her work. It's fascinating.

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Bard of Ely  says:
5 months ago

Yes, I will have a look when I get a chance - I should be working! lol Just wanted to add that Adam Ant is another well known bipolar music star whose condition it seems gave him the inspiration to succeed as well as his creative drive although it has also caused him big problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Ant

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
5 months ago

Thanks for that link Bard!

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Bovine Currency  says:
2 months ago

Nicely done. Creativity is positively not directly linked to mental illness. Mental illness is not a measuring stick separating some from others. We all have some type of mental problem. I prefer the more modern term, disorder. Such is the mind, we are all at least a little different. That is the sublime pleasure of life. For some, the differences in one's mind might be drastically different to the general community, hence, the major mental disorders are regarded so. This does not mean sufferers of those disorders are bad, evil or have something wrong about them. Mental illness does not define a person and it is largely a subjective decision to draw a link between any particular disorder and other major personality factors. By major mental disorder, as defined by psychiatry, they are the psychotic disorders. Including schizophrenia type disorders, general psychotic disorders and bi-polar disorder (bi-polar, all though like its old name suggests, is a form of depression, also has the possible symptom of psychosis). There is also manic disorder with no depressive symptoms and major depression with psychotic symptoms. I do believe there is some link between artistic creativity and psychotic disorders. Psychosis, according to the most agreed upon research, is a break from reality and any of the symptoms such as delusions, hallucinations or loose association of thoughts and ideas, for obvious reasons would be an advantage to the artist if in enough control to function without a complete break from the reality the seek to represent with their chosen art.

I inform my opinions of mental illness on personal experience as a patient of the state psychiatric system, as a willing patient at times and involuntary at other times. I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia, I dropped out of school and have been wiped out by all sorts of drugs, illicit and medical. I went back to study at 19, studying alcohol and drugs care work and then moving to university to study english literature and philosophy. I never completed my course for several reasons but I study a great deal in my own time. While at university and under psychiatric treatment, including very heavy duty tranquillizers, I still managed very good grades. Now I write. Cheers all.

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
2 months ago

Bovine... beautiful comment!! I adore it.

You know, I just might have to admit that I personally have issues with the psychiatric community. Perhaps that tainted my article a bit, which I didn't wish it to do.

It's not their "profession" so much that I take issue with, but for several reasons I mistrust them, find them ever increasingly fallible, faulty, knee jerk and overly eager to diagnose disorder and therefore glorify their prescription pads and credentials and many times with great harm.

Without a degree in this field myself, I am certain I could practice equal to or better psychiatry.

That may be pompous self glorifying on my part, but I do have issues with them.

That said... if creativity IS linked to some psychoses... what a glorifying madness!

Thanks for your real and powerful insight.

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Bovine Currency  says:
2 months ago

pleasure is all mine. I can relate to your last comment, I went through all that. I have not discarded by suspicions just moved on to another way of seeing it all. Check out my hubs if you get time, I wrote some more regarding this topic

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
2 months ago

I'm just waiting on the psychiatric Hubpages community to descend at this point. HA!

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Lowell's Notes  says:
2 months ago

This is fascinating! I am an OCM--obsessive compulsive musician :)

...I intended that as a joke, but as I read it I realized how true it is.

I'm sure a psychiatrist would have a field day analyzing my passion for music.

I have earned a comfortable living due to my creative illness, and I wish to be left to my madness. :D

All joking aside, I have seen what I would consider to be manic disorders in many musicians and artists through my years of playing music professionally and while working in recording studios.

This was a very informative article. Well done!

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
2 months ago

Thanks Lowell.

I know there IS a certain "quality" that creative people have that is inherant in them that is not in others.

The differences between the creative and non creative brain can be striking at times.

Maddening yes... and striking.

Thanks for reading Lowell!

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Bovine Currency  says:
2 months ago

This following link might be a bit out there but it came up first on the list with googleSearch in googleBooks. I searched for neocortex and creativity. The neocortex as I previously mentioned (somewhere) is the section of our brain (according to neuroscience) that is responsible for perception of reality, it recieves and attempts to make sense of all input, olfactory(smell) tactile(touch) smell, auditory, visual and taste. Madness, or the psychotic disorders are largely due to a disorder in this section of the brain. I.e. the hallucinations side of it. The delusions assumingly, are beliefs founded on the conclusions founded by a dysfunction neocortex. The link between madness and creativity, if you believe the neuroscience explanation, is right there in the neocortex. Perhaps some of the best art is created when the artist can dance the line between madness and a gifted vision. Cheers :P Cash cow Currency.

P.S. The link is long and ugly. Just google neocortex and creativity or, "Jausovec" "Neuropsychological bases of creativity" I need to work out hotlinks.

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
2 months ago

Thank you Bovine Currency for that link (or the info in finding it).

I am on my way now to give it a good read!

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A.M. Gwynn  says:
2 months ago

Bovine, You said:

"Perhaps some of the best art is created when the artist can dance the line between madness and a gifted vision."

I believe that.

It is like.. those golden moments, those moments of such clarity... a state of creative nirvana during an idea, a piece, a line, a brush stroke, or a note... it makes your hair stand on end. Your brain aches and your chest quivers. The blood, the soul, and the universe all align. You know you are apexing and that it can never be as Godlike in interpretation as it is right then, and it all comes together... and there is no other golden moment like it, when all lays out before you in such crystallized perfection.

After.. you are drained yet energized. You are at peace and yet... tortured onward toward the next moment.

For those that know what I'm talking about, they could perhaps explain it differently... and perhaps none of us can explain it exactly.

But you know it when you are in that state. It feels like madness, like joy, like power, like sadness, like God.

And sometimes perhaps, it is possible to go past that....

Or something like that.

Hell, call for the bus. I'm ready to go. HA!

(Still reading the articles..)

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