Theory: The World's Oldest Language
77My Theory
I believe that the world's oldest language is Hebrew, and I have some good reasons why I think so.
First of all, Hebrew is the oldest known language still in use today. In fact it is more widely used than all other ancient languages. If it was the first language, it would make sense that it is still in use. Why would the world's first language ever fall out of use?
Another interesting thing is, the Hebrew language has MANY overlaps and intersections, if you will, with other aspects of the world. By this I mean that, it fits into the world like a puzzle, and is one of the only languages that does so. Arabic shares a lot of these properties, although it is a very similar language. I will focus on Hebrew, however. There are three things that it relates to well--concepts of man and God, the Bible, and the periodic table of elements. I'll go into each one in detail below.
The Hebrew words for man and God are very similar. The word for God is Yahweh. However, since Hebrew is an Abjad, vowels are not written in, but are assumed. So, in Hebrew, God's name is spelled "YHWH". These four letters have amazing significance when compared to equivalents in the Bible and the elements. If you take the Hebrew alphabet and "map" it to the periodic table, the H's turn out to be the element Nitrogen. In the Hebrew word for man, one of the H's in "Yahweh" is replaced with the letter that corresponds to the element Carbon. Now think carefully about the astounding significance of this! Our physical bodies are composed mostly of what element? Carbon! We are said, in the Bible, to be made in the likeness of God. Only ONE LETTER differs in the Hebrew words for God and man! Finally, the Bible describes spirits as being "like the wind." What element is 78% of earth's atmosphere made of? Nitrogen! And that's not all. When you consider what the atomic numbers of those elements are, it makes your head spin. Carbon, man's element, is number 6. God's element, as you might guess, is number 7, Nitrogen. Man didn't "make up" these numbers by accident, or because they were convenient. They represent the number of protons (and electrons) already present in the atoms, which was God's doing.
Maybe that was a long way around, but I think it gives excellent evidence that Hebrew is the world's first language. "Coincidences" like that don't just happen, they're intentional, they all have a purpose. And perhaps that purpose is to help us better understand our world.
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You cannot prove Hebrew as the first language with the help of Bible. Hindu religious texts which were composed in Sanskrit are more ancient than Bible. You were trying to prove your theory with the help of alphabets. Alphabets originated much later than the spoken language. Therefor you cannot prove anything with alphabets.
However Sanskrit also is not the oldest Language. If you can consider a dead language in this question, then the Languages spoken in Ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Babylonia etc. are more ancient than Sanskrit. Even in India there were lot of native languages prior to the aryan migration into India. sanskrit evolved in india after they entered India by about 1500 BC.
Indeed, you two are correct that Hebrew is not the oldest WRITTEN language. I was therefore wrong to say that the Bible was the oldest known writing. However, my argument still stands upon the fact that Hebrew is the OLDEST language, regardless of when a writing system was adopted for it. The letters and words of the language existed without the need for writing, which are characteristics that the oldest language would no doubt have. In addition, the basis of my argument relies more on the periodic table than anything, which was conceived by God and simply discovered by man. When the Bible came along, it simply explained the relationships between the elements, the Hebrew alphabet, and concepts of man and God (and how the numbers 6 and 7 relate throughout all of them). I would also venture to say that I can, in fact, use the Bible to support my argument, regardless of the fact that it was not the earliest written text. It doesn't matter what the earliest WRITTEN text is; as I said, my argument is that Hebrew is the OLDEST language, irrespective of when its writing system was added.
I do appreciate you sharing your own thoughts, and please feel free to post anything more you wish to say. I realize that my argument may not be correct, but to my current understanding, it is. Even if my theory is not correct, one thing I know for sure is that Hebrew is the oldest language still being used today, which is another reason it makes an excellent candidate for being the world's oldest language.
The story of Ramayana first written by Balmiki goes back 1,800,000 years when Rama existed. The earth was populated by humans some 2 million years before when the language spoken was Sanskrit. Sanskrit is the mother of all languages. There was no sign or existence of western culture. To substantiate this evidence I ask anyone to unearth the city of Dwarka in India which submerged more than 10,000 years before from the great devastations of Tsunami.
Hmm, unearthing a city called Dwarka in India to prove that the oldest language is Sanskrit? I shall have to try that sometime. I wonder why no one else has done it yet, if it's such good evidence? Also I would be interested to know more about this Rama you mentioned. Anyhow, thanks for the comment.
World oldest language is 1.SANSKRIT,2.TAMIL,3.KANNADA....this is fact as per history..
My friends,
We simply can never know what constituted the earliest language. History will not tell you because history is younger than language. There is growing evidence that the Neanderthals had language and certainly the earliest Homo Sapiens did as there is no other way that knowledge could have been communicated between individuals in such a manner as to launch the 'rise' of man to his present status. I doubt very much that this earliest language was Hebrew, Sanskrit or any other that we can decipher today. What HAS been established is that there are word roots for very fundamental objects and concepts which are common to many diverse languages today and which may constitute the last embers of evidence for an original universal verbal communication system. Language is much older as a human skill than any language we have today or can read today. It has no alliance to YHWH or any other 'gods' because the inventors of language, who may have lived a million years ago if he was a Neanderthal or hundreds of thousands of years ago if he was Homo Sapiens, did not know any of them!
vimalan, thanks for the comment
Dave Roberts, I must say that you are absolutely correct that there is no way to know for sure what the first language was. It is only my hypothesis that Hebrew was the first, and I should certainly say that Yahweh was very much "in alliance" with the language, as you put it, because I should think that the being that created the universe would, at the same time, design a method of communication among its inhabitants, whom he also created. Did He not design our lips and tongues and teeth, the very things that produce our speech? Is it not reasonable, then, to think that he also designed the first method for the intelligent decernment of differences in sounds and how they are combined, which is, in effect, the first language? It seems highly unlikely to me that man simply began speaking and eventually it evolved into some sort of intelligent communication. What does seem likely is that, outside of any sort of theology, the search for a first language may very well reach a dead end, because you've rejected the creator of the language, and therefore, the very existence of the language itself. Then, since no first language ever existed, it is a miracle that any of us are speaking today.
Cybermouse
All very interesting I am sure. But you assume that I agree that Yahweh created the Universe. Unfortunately I don't, and neither do I believe that Re-Atum or Amun or Baalzebub, Odin, Zeus or any other god did. You see, I am an Atheist and see all around me the evidence for evolution and language was a facet of evolution just like the fact of the shape of our bodies and the shapes of the bodies of other species. To an Atheist your argument, and accordingly your theory, are nonsensical as they are dependent upon a belief in a supernatural creator- being (and who created him or her by the way?) for whom there is no evidence.
But then this is a separate debate isn't it? One which I would be pleased to continue elsewhere. But with respect to language, it is becoming increasingly apparent via experiment that chimpanzees and possibly whales and dolphins too have rudimentary languages! Now why would Yahweh give a species a RUDIMENTARY language? If he felt a species needed to communicate verbally he would have provided a fully blown Language wouldn't he? Like he gave us Hebrew according to your theory. The chimpanzees language skills are EVOLVING, just like ours did aeons ago. Let us hope that we, and they, survive long enough as species for us to talk to each other sometime.
True enough, this is no longer a debate about language. I believe in a supreme being, and you do not, yet we are both humans living on the Earth. I will say that were I an atheist, I might be inclined to agree with you regarding the world's oldest language. That is, if I somehow thought that the universe coming into existence of its own accord made more sense than a supreme being creating the universe, regardless of the fact that we have no grounds to base any judgements of what beliefs are "nonsensical" as compared to others. The very fact that we exist could be considered nonsensical, yet we accept and live with this fact on a daily basis simply because it is the way things are. I would also agree with you that this isn't a good place for a debate, but I will leave you with one of my favorite quotes.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." -Phillip K. Dick
Exactly, and the Universe does not go away when you stop believing in gods. That is the reality.
Neither does the God I believe in cease to exist simply because I stop believing in Him. The fact that I cannot physically perceive Him makes no difference at all. If I were to look at another human being, I cannot physically perceive their internal organs, yet I know they exist because I see the proof that the person is living, therefore something must be keeping that person alive. Also, alternate dimensions have never been physically proven to exist, but research and statistics from many different fields of science all point to a high probability of there being higher dimensions that we as humans are not able to perceive. If you were blind, there is no way you could prove to yourself that anything exists based on sight, yet you would still know something is out there because you could hear it. I suppose you could choose to ignore what can't be seen and still say that nothing exists, but this would obviously be a narrow conclusion to jump to, given all the other evidence from your remaining senses. Similarly, all my senses give me evidence for God's existence in all the ingenious designs of things in this world, and I feel that I might as well be blind if I treat them as the result of chance. Air cannot be seen, yet if it did not exist, we would all be dead. In my experience, I have found that entities which cannot be seen are the most permanent and important parts of reality.
Let me start by saying, What is more likely, That God has existed for all eternity and came from nowhere; That God developed as we are and came to be as he is now; Or we are developing on our own in a universe that may someday contain (or perhaps does contain) powerfull beings who have evolved to that state; or the Universe has been around billions of years and we are alone, no god (gods) and will someday cease to exist without having ever known a portion of what realy exists.
I find the most plausible to be a state where there are a few living things in the universe, and no God. However, I know that there is a God, He created us in his own image and for his own perpose. He loves us and wants us to learn of him through faith in his son Jesus Christ.
There is annother dimension, Spirit. I can feel it. You can feel it. Enyone who realy wants to know what is true can feel it, and know for themselves that the things which Jesus taught are true.
Im not here to argue, but I hope that someone can read the things that I have written and try it out for themselves.
"For this is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man." Moses 1:39
Cybermouse and Shadowire,
Air CAN be seen. It can be seen when you breath out on a cold day because of the water it contains. It can be seen in the bubbles when you breath out under water. If it is cold enough it can turn into a liquid. But nothing we do can reveal the gods (or god) for examination. Ergo, there is no evidence for god. Any theory, whether of language or any other concept that depends on faith in a supernatural being for whom there is no evidence is conspicuous by its lack of foundation. It is like arguing for the origins of the patterns of flowers on the basis that we believe the fairies made them!
First...show me the fairies!
Look carefully at the history of the Universe. It began with simple elements, Hydrogen an Helium. These elements formed the earliest stars which had short lives but within which the heavier elements were made. These heavier elements made a second and third generation of stars which made everything of which WE are made. The history of the Universe is a story about the incremental increase in the complexity of matter over time, and by time I mean billions of years. This increased complexity of matter has resulted in LIFE, the most complex matter of all. We are not made of 'spirit' we are made of stardust. While I am an Atheist I am not militantly so. I do not seek to decry your faith in a god, that is a matter for you. All I ask is that you do not seek to answer questions concerning the origin of language or any other facet of the Universe via the employment of your faith....a view (and a faith) which not everybody shares.
Shadowwire, thanks for your comment, I appreciate it :)
Dave Roberts, thanks also for your comments. It has been quite an interesting discussion, and though it could no doubt continue, I don't think either of us would gain anything from it. You have your opinion and I have mine, and since you so graciously do not wish to decry my faith in God, neither will I try to whittle away at your beliefs. However, I feel that since my beliefs do lie with God, that I have the right to also believe that He created the first language. Whether or not you agree is your business, but my purpose in posting this hub was merely to offer my opinion as a possible suggestion. Outside of a faith in God, as you said, my theory makes no sense at all. I hope you'll then take it for what it is--a theory, and nothing more. Please feel free to post more comments about anything. I wish to value the opinions of others rather than cause arguments, so I apologize if I strayed from this path in anything I said to you. It is obvious that no act of mine can change your mind, and therefore I would prefer to be on good terms with you, unless you have any objections.
I am intrigued by the comments of the atheists. Understand this, there is no greater scientific evidence in favor of evolution than there is in creation. In fact, the reverse is true. You see, in Darwin's day, science had not progressed far enough to understand a very important viewpoint that has come into light recently that has shoved aside natural selection; that being the concept of irriducable complexity. IE: there are structures that have been discovered that are so complex, that there simply is no way of having them evolve, so natural selection is unable to answer complex questions about the origin of species. One of those irreducably complex structures is DNA. The DNA code, according to Bill Gates is more complex than any computer code ever written. Stop and think about it, the second law of thermodynamics refutes the chance of DNA arizing by chance. And, by the way, if you wish to discuss the first written language, you might consider DNA as a strong contender, since it pre existed all written languages! So that being said, the new concept of irreducable complexity is an argument in favor of intelligent design as opposed to accidental origin.
Thanks for sharing that! DNA is an excellent candidate for the very first language. I'd recommend reading "The God Code" by Gregg Braden, who seems to know quite a bit about the science behind DNA and how there is a hidden message encoded in every cell of every living being. It is a fascinating topic, and anyone with an interest in details will enjoy the astounding science of how DNA, Hebrew and/or Arabic, the periodic table of elements, and the Bible all fit together like pieces of a puzzle. This book is nothing but truth, and scientific, proven evidence that this world was designed, not spontaneously evolved from lifeless matter.
Hi,
As per historical evidence the Oldest languages which have written forms as from their Origin are Sanskirit and Tamil. Both are the Indian languages, that are prominent on Northern and southern part of the country resp. The fact that hebrew and other languages were also there but they didn't emerge with a Strong and typical Written form. A language is like a body without soul, if its existing or existed without proper written form.In this point, I insist to say that the written form is not the One with scripts but also with excellent Grammers, Phonetical Intelligence, etc.
Hi,
It is not appropriate to say that Hebrew is the oldest language by just comparing and spaeking it with Bible. Even Bible is merely older for 2000 years. Before that itself so many languages and religions existed and still continuing their existence...We know that Hindu religions mythology and epics (older that 6000 years) say that the Hindu Gods spoke in a Language called 'Sanskirit'. The sanskirit is also referred as 'Deva lipi (languages of Gods)'. And also Tamil is having a grand history of more than 3000 years. The most of the words and their phonetical signs of this language are similar to the sounds of Nature. For ex, in tamil the word refers to mother is 'Amma' and we know that animals also call their mother with the same phonetic sound (mmmamma..). And also most of the words envisage the specifying things. So, its unfair to say that hebrew is the Oldest language that too by merely grabbing the evidences from Bible and chemistry. That might be apt for a particular race but not for all.
A fascinating discussion! I too have dabbled in researching this topic a number of times over the years. But I strike a wall with one concept. I am not totally convinced all the theorists have the same understanding of the concept of language. Some refer to language as symbolic sounds. Others do not acknowledge language until there is a "thread" between sounds. So, to try to pin down the first language must first clearly state what that constitutes.
Smiles and Light
Thanks for the comment! You're right, it is important to define what language you are talking about clearly. For my theory, I would define language as any form of communication between humans that uses sounds produced by the tongue, teeth, and voice, whether or not there is a written form of it.
If sanskrit is the oldest language, why isn't the whole world talking and typing in it? If sanskrit replaced an earlier language how then can it claim the title of being the oldest? Sanskrit is complex, showing it borrowed and invented heavily. But from whom did it borrow and copy from? Hebrew of course. But Hebrew is a subset of an even earlier older language, the one from which Adam and Eve spoke. As taught to them by the Spirit that walked in the cool of the day with them as their visitor and teacher. That same spirit walked with both Moses and Joshua. Each time speaking a form of Aramaic that unusual and counter intuitive to what we may think.
Ramayana is a myth! sanscrit also a myth! Dravidian languages are the oldest in indian languages!
ALL I GOTTA SAY IS YOU GUYS ARE ALL IDIOTS, AND I AM THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE. I CAN INTELLIGENTLY CONDUCT MORE THINGS THAN YOU PEOPLE EVER CAN IN A LIFETIME OF EXISTANCE. MY INTELLIGENCE OUTNUMBERS YOURS A BILLION TO 1. AETHEISTS ARE MORONS. WHY? BECAUSE THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF SCIENCE COMES FROM RELIGION. THE FIRST UNIVERSITIES THAT EVER BROUGHT ABOUT ACTUAL FACTS AND PROGRESS INTO THE WORLD CAME AFTER CHRISTIANITY WAS FORMED. THE FIRST FORUMS HELD IN GREECE AND CHINA DEALT WITH NOTHING MORE THAN PHILOSOPHY; THE FIRST "EDUCATIONAL" FACILITIES WHERE THEORY AND SUCH CAME INTO EXISTANCE ie. - SOCRATES, PLATO (ALL USELESS). ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF SOCIETY CAME AFTER CHRISTIANITY WAS BROUGHT FORTH INTO THE WORLD, EVEN WITH PHILOSOPHERS (ie.- LEONARDO DA VINCI, GALLILEO, SIGMUND FREUD) DURING THAT TIME CHRISTIANITY WAS THE FOREFRONT RELIGION IN MIDIEVAL EUROPE.
PROGRESS WASN'T TRULY ESTABLISHED UNTIL CHRISTIANITY WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE WORLD, WITH THAT IN TURN, AMERICA WAS FOUND (NOT TO MENTION, BY PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS ESCAPING RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION). FROM THERE A NATION WAS FINALLY DEVELOPED UNDER CHRISTIAN MORALS, ETHICS, AND VALUES, WITHOUT ACTUAL GREED AND POWER INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS ie.- FEUDALISM. GREECE HAD TRIED TO DO THE SAME THING AS WELL AT ONE POINT IN HISTORY, BUT WHAT DID THEY LACK? CHRISTIAN MORALS, ETHICS, AND VALUES, SAME WITH ROME AS WELL. THE ROMAN EMPIRE INSTILLED GREEK METHODS OF CONTROL AND GOVERNMENT ie - FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND EVERY REGION IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE STILL RETAINS LOCAL RULERS WHICH WAS IN PARTISANSHIP WITH THE ROMAN EMPIRE, BUT IN TURN BOTH GOVERNMENTS ENDED UP FAILING. CHRISTIANITY WHICH WAS FINALLY INSTILLED IN THE CREATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, SEEMED TO HAVE PROVEN TO BE A SUCCESS, WHY? FOR ONE, THERE WAS MORE TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENCE ADVANCES IN THE LAST 200 YEARS, THAN ALL OF HISTORY COMBINED. JESUS CHRIST HAS TO GET SOME CREDIT FOR THAT, SINCE THIS WAS A NATION FOUNDED UPON CHRISTIANITY, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT TO BE A TRUE ABSOLUTE, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, IGNORANT BIGOT. YOU AETHEIST FOOL, BUT I DON'T BLAME YOU, ITS LIKE BEING EMO, AETHEISTS JUST LIKE TO GO AGAINST THE FLOW TO PISS PEOPLE OFF. CONGRATS!
While I couldn't agree more with most of your points, I don't exactly think that insulting anyone for their beliefs is going to get you anywhere. If you want people to really, intelligently listen to you (assuming you think this is possible, which from reading your comment, I seriously doubt) then you have to give them a chance and listen intelligently to what they have to say FIRST, and then acknowledge that you have indeed heard what they said and interpreted it correctly. Only then can intelligent communication take place. Insults have no place in valid arguments, and neither does ego-centric thinking, which your comment is brimming with, sorry to say. Even if you are correct in everything you said, if you really want people to hear you out, you need to treat them with the same kind of respect you obviously think you deserve. Again, I agree with most of your points; in fact I couldn't have said it better, except to ditch the insults and say it in such a way that you don't begin to sound like some of the names you call others might just apply to yourself. At any rate, thanks for the comment I suppose. Just remember that atheists do in fact have brains and can reason for themselves, and occasionally when they do decide to use their capacities for reason and logic, the truth will eventually make itself known, without the need for someone like you to blare it out to them in a way that makes them want to cover their ears.
WELL YOU KNOW WHAT I LEARNED CYBER MOUSE? THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH ALL THE INSULTS AND ALL THE HARASSMENTS, AND DEPICT THE TRUE POINT OF WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET AT. A LOT OF TIMES, PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HUMBLE THEMSELVES, WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE FR*CKING MORONS. IF THESE PEOPLE TRULY KNEW WHAT POINTS ARE IN FACT VALID AND INVALID, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE PAST THE PSYCHOTIC INSULTS, AND SEE THE TRUTH BENEATH THE PRIDE AND THE EGO. YET MOST OF THE TIME, A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE JUST INSTILL CONVERSATION AS A SENSE OF A "POPULARITY CONTEST." IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME, I DEAL WITH STUPID, IDIOTIC, IGNORANT, SELFISH BIGOTS DAY IN AND DAY OUT, BUT WHAT DOES BOTHER ME IS THAT THESE STUPID, IDIOTIC, IGNORANT, SELFISH BIGOTS DON'T JUST DIE OUT, LIKE THEY SHOULD LIKE FR*CKING DINOSAURS. THEY REPRODUCE (USUALLY BY MASSIVE AMOUNTS) AND CREATE MORE IDIOTS. I'M SORRY, BUT ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE SLAM DOWN IDIOTS WITH A VENGEANCE. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS WHEN PEOPLE WERE HUNG FOR STEALING SOMEONE'S COW, OR BURNED AT A STAKE FOR NOT BELIEVING IN CHRIST? THAT'S WHAT MADE AMERICA GREAT, NOT THIS HUGE OVERDOSE OF SEX AND MTV. GOD DAMN THE USA!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JobynUg0ftg
I'M THINKING IF I DON'T SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID, NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO SAY ANYTHING UNTIL ITS TOO LATE, WHY? BECAUSE EVERYONE IS A FUCKING IDIOT. THANK YOU GOODBYE!
While it is indeed sad to see the state of things getting worse by the day, if all these idiots are as dumb as you say they are, then none of them will be able to even listen to what you have just said for more than a second without wanting to run away, much less try to make sense of it. Even if they did try, I seriously doubt that, being stupid, they could see through the insults you have thrown at them and gain any truth from it. Therefore, there is something wrong with the way you are going about it, and frankly, I think your end result is screwed up as well. Do you really want them all to die? Will that really help anything? If they all die we'll be left with you, won't we? You exhibit all the same things you accuse of others, despite the good points you want to make. Again I will say that the only way to truly get anyone to listen to you is to stop swearing and start treating people with respect, whether or not they are ignorant. If you display the same ignorance and stupidity you accuse them of, what reason do they have to listen to anything you say? You say people don't know how to humble themselves, yet you could not even acknowledge a single thing that I said to you in my last comment. Nothing you said in either of your comments was in the least way humble. I suggest you get the plank out of your own eye before you go around taking all the specs of sawdust from the eyes of your earthly brothers and sisters, my friend.
The film "Youth Without Youth" by Francis Ford Coppola concerns searching for the oldest langauge, and beyond that, the first precursor to it, a proto-language.
Historical and science fiction to be sure, much of the language search material has some basis in fact. According to this, there were two-three languages before Sanskrit, but a proto-language could not be found. it is also true that some circumpolar languages may be older than Sanskrit, but research is still underway.
Since the DNA tracking (Smithsonain) and Human Genome projects find that human life began in either Africa near the Congo or near the Middle East (Garden of Eden) or in the Middle East, then that maybe be the site for the first language.
Two or three nations claim to have produced the oldest language, mathematics, science and other disciplines, but older evidence has been available in other locations.
Thanks for the Hub.
wow, cybermouse, what a fantastic hub you have here...mainly due to the comments spurred afterward! I have to confess, though, that I didn't read all of the comments as they are long!
"THE BEST"- I don't think me correcting you will do either of us any good, but hey man, try not using the CAPS. Also, I completely disagree with 95% of what you said and 100% of the method in which you chose to say those things.
Now, on to the real comment- cybermouse, I'm not sure as to the historical accuracy of Hebrew being the first written and/or spoken language, but I loved the thoughts toward the end where you wrote of the differences between the Hebrew words for God and man! Thanks for making me think.
Excellent hub with a lot of interesting comments. Thanks!
Patty--thanks for mentioning that film. I'll have to look into it sometime! Another excellent film is called "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" and it pretty much explains the science behind the intelligent design view. It really makes it clear what the truth about science is. Many people claim to believe that the evidence supports evolution when it really does not. When one does enough research and actually studies it for him or herself, one finds the evidence to be in favor of creationism in some form or another, which in turn points to God's designing the first language as well. My theory is simply that this first language could possibly be Hebrew, even though its writing system was not adopted until some time later.
WeddingConsultant--thanks for the comment. I'm glad you got something from my hub. Most of my ideas for this theory came from the book "The God Code" by Gregg Braden that I mentioned earlier. It is truly an excellent read in which a scientist puts forth truthful evidence about DNA and how everything fits together like pieces of a puzzle. If you can't find one to purchase, at least borrow it from the local library. I think you would really enjoy it.
Bluebird--thanks!
I've read the God Code and a dozen other works on this - DNA is definitely a mathimatical type of language, planned and created.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.... Okay, to respect Wedding Consultant's wishes, I will not type in caps. As for the points I made, I believe them to be valid points whether or not people want to read it or not. I mean after all if people (the truly stupid ones who couldn't get pass the first sentence of this forum and already dazed out after reading Sanskrit; oldest language; historical proof, ect, ect,) could make it pass that first topic and end up reading all the way down to my thread, yet wouldn't give a chance in flying hell to read my thread because I call them stupid or I type in caps, and just ignore everything I have to say, then honestly I don't know what to say. It is usually the educated people who are mostly the idiots of society (moraless, ethicless, selfish, ect, ect). Stupid people who in fact are not educated, usually do what they're told by force of command (normally, educated people with good ethics, values, and morals, do not have any sort of command whatsoever as they are for the most part entirely passive, ie- Cybermouse). Usually, the people who do have a say as to what is what are usually the educated dumb asses (refer to up above) while the educated ones usually just keep to themselves and not say a single word to reach the masses per say, but only the educated dumb asses, or a better word would be jackasses, or other passive stupid people who just remain passive all the same, while its the educated jackasses that usually end up reaching the uneducated masses. All I'm trying to say is there should be some good educated people that says things a bit aggressively to counter the affects of the aggressive educated jackasses, so uneducated people do not end up turning into aggressive educated jackasses because more times than not, uneducated people admire aggressiveness over passiveness, and yes in Christianity (which I fully claim) righteous anger can be used more times than not, as bad as it sounds, as long as it is within the boundaries of love. If you're an educated Christian you should know what that means.
NOTE- I HOPE YOU FR*CKING DUMB FR*CKS IGNORE MY POST BECAUSE YOU SEE I'M KOREAN, LOL, YOU RETARDS.
REQUEST: CYBERMOUSE COULD YOU POST A LIST OF ALL THE FORUM SITES YOU VISIT? I WOULD LOVE TO FREQUENT THEM ALL.
THANKS!
THE BEST--I must thank you for toning down the use of profanity, it makes it much easier for people to read what you have written, whether you think so or not. Also, I would agree that there are unfortunately too many people in power who do not deserve it or know what they are doing. That doesn't mean you need to call them names. Calling them names will not change anything. If you want to see positive change, you need to do something about it rather than complain to normally educated people with morals and values (i.e. Cybermouse). I see the problem as clearly as you do, but I obviously am not as upset about it as you are, and perhaps that makes you a better person. I agree that people who have morals and values should not live peaceful lives and ignore the problems that we are faced with in today's society. However, if you fully claim Christianity as you said, and you truly wanted to use righteous anger in the boundaries of love, which I would agree that you can, how loving is it to insult the people you are talking about just as easily as they would insult you? (for being Korean or Christian or whatever else they can think up) That doesn't seem a very loving thing to do; instead it seems like you are using their own bad methods against them. God tells us to love our enemies, does he not? If they do nothing loving towards us, why should we copy anything they do? What would be loving instead is to take the Christian apologist standpoint and gently and kindly show them where they are wrong, and if they cannot see the truth, pray that God would make it known to them according to His will. Also, I would love to post a list of all the forum sites I visit, if this were not the only one. As of now, it is the only one, therefore I cannot post a list. I was not part of any forums until I joined this one. This website is really my major publishing outlet right now. I do have a blogger site but it's about games and I haven't updated it in about a year, and my xanga site is equally run-down. I just don't have time for those anymore, I barely find time to publish hubs.
THE BEST- As brass as some of your comments were, I think I underrstand the message. And I agree that most "ignorant" people are well educated! It's as if people who pursue higher learning (sometimes) lose common sense.
But I can't talk with you any more because you're Korean. haha j/k
I admire that you're still on here posting comments, though. You should join hubpages! Give yourself a username and contribute in our forums and by writing hubs. I'm sure what you'd write would promote many comments and questions!
p.s. the name "THE BEST" makes me laugh when I read it. Maybe you could pick a more subtle username? ;)
THE BEST--Actually now that I think about it, there is one other major posting I've done that you might be interested in, but it's on facebook. If you're not on facebook you won't be able to see it, but it's free to join. If you're interested, just go to www.facebook.com to sign up and let me know your user name and then I'll contact you on there with details about the posts. My email is cybermouse8[at]gmail[dot]com in case you want to contact me that way.
THE OLDEST SPOKEN LANGUAGE IS THE BIG BANG. IT IS THE WORD OF GOD FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE RELIGIOUS . BOTH ARE WAVES OF ENERGY...SOUND.
ALSO CYBERMOUSE IF YOU FOLLOW THE BIBLE ,TORAH,KORAN... ,THEN YOU WOULD KNOW OF THE STORY OF THE TOWER OF BABLE...THE ONE UNIFING LANGUAGE THAT EXISTED BEFORE THAT POINT COULD NOT BE HEBREW...BECAUSE ALL THE LANGUAGES AFTER WERE MADE TO CONFUSE...INCLUDING HEBREW.
EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE IS VIBRATING...LANGUAGE IS VIBRATION . TRUTH IS HIDDEN IN THE ONENESS OF ALL THINGS, INCLUDING YOUR QUESTION ON WHAT IS THE FIRST SPOKEN LANGUAGE.COMBINE THEM ALL...IN SOME WAY YOU WOULD HAVE A BETTER ANSWER....THEY ALL CONSIST OF POWERFUL BASIC SYLLABLE VIBRATIONS ....SCIENCE TODAY IS USING COMPUTER PROGRAMS IN AN ATTEMPT TO UNLOCK THIS AND HOW WE MANIFEST MATTER INTO THIS WORLD. WHEN IT HAPPENS THEN WE SEE SCIENCE AND SPIRIT UNIFIED. THIS IS THE REASON THE POWER OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE HAS BEEN HIDDEN.LETS JUST HOPE THE RELIGIONS CAN BE UNIFIED SINCE THEY ALL ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, MOST OF THESE STORIES DIRECTLY TAKEN FROM KEMETXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX XX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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So, Gij,j=0 are you saying that the first language was annihilated when God confused the languages at the tower of Babel? I know that story well, yet it does not say that God's original language was lost. It only says that new languages were made to confuse the people. This does not mean that the original language could not exist after this event. As long as the original language is different from the others, it would not prevent the confusion that was the purpose of the new languages. In fact it would help with the confusion. Just because it was the first language doesn't mean it had to cease to exist simply because new languages were created. I believe that it did not cease to exist, but that only a few still knew it, and that this language was indeed Hebrew. To me this makes the most sense. God is a creator and he doesn't annihilate things that are not evil. It doesn't make sense for God to annihilate something good that he created, such as the first language. By annihilation I mean the complete removal from existence.
nope...annihilate.... such finality from an old jedi it is...SO DEFINATE ..I see you are religious ...so i will speak in these terms ...division is the MOST powerful weapon of the "Devil". I SPOKE OF UNITY AND ONENESS. EVEN HEBREW OR I GUESS YOUR SPEAKING OF THE LANGUAGE OF ONE OF THE TRIBES OF ISREAL THE CANAANITES..BECAUSE THERE ARE.... IM NOT SURE BUT, SOMTHING LIKE 11 TRIBES THAT ARE MISSING ...NOONE KNOWS WHERE THEY EXSIST...RIGHT? FROM SOME NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES TO JAPAN TO ETHIOPIA, ENGLAND TO NIGERIA THERE ARE PEOPLES ALL OVER THE PLANET WHO HAVE ORAL TRADITION CLAIMING TO BE THESE LOST TRIBES. CHOOSEN PEOPLE...HAHAHAHAHAHA ..ONENESS. I FEEL THERE ARE CHOOSEN PEOPLE IN ALL THE "RACES" ...SUCH A WONDERFUL FAIR LOVING GOD...NO?
AND DONT CLAIM TO KNOW ANY STORY OF THE BIBLE TORAH KORAN WELL...UNTIL YOU HAVE READ ALL OF THOSE SAME INSTUCTIONS IN TEXT THAT PREDATE JUDISM...WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY VERY EASY TO DO EVEN IF ONLY LOOKING AT ANCIENT EYGPT...Hahaha BUT THERE ARE MANY MORE.ONENESS
THE TIME IS NOW TO OPEN THE CLOSED AND DIVIDED MINDS.
AS MOSES METEPHORICLY BROUGHT US OUT OF THE CONSTELLATION OF TAURUS (THE BULL) AND INTO ARIES (THE RAM(ROSHASHANA BLOW THE RAM HORN hahaha) AND YESHUAH (JESUS AND HIS DISIPLES OF FISHERMAN) FROM ARIES INTO PISCES.....NOW ...AS EVERY 2000 YEARS OR SO OUR PLANET ENTERS A NEW VIBRATION ...NOW IS THE TIME OF AQUARIOUS(THE WATER BEARER..POURER?...HHAHAHA)....WAVES..LETS OUR BRAINS SURF A LITTLE CYBERMOUSE OUTSIDE THESE BATHTUBS OF THOUGHT GIVEN TO US INTO AN OCEAN OF CONSCIOUSNESS.
I FOUND VERY GREAT YOUR THOUGHTS ON KEMET MYSTERY..OOPS I MEAN CHEMISRY ...SPEAKING ON THE NITROGEN(7NITRO I THINK FIRE) ATOM AND THE NAME OF GOD AND CARBON (6MAN) BEING ONLY ONE LETTER SEPERATING US IN HEBREW...NOW THINK ABOUT HYDROGEN (1 I THINK OF WATER)ONENESS...HAHAHAHAHA..oooo...HYDROGEN IS THE SIMPLEST ATUM 1 ELECTRON , 1 PROTON, 1 NEUCLEUS....EVERY ELEMENT IS SIMPLY A COMBINATION OF HYDROGEN ATUMS ...UNIFIED THEOREM ...CARBON HAVING 6 ELECTRONS ETC ETC ..SO ACTUALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE ELEMENT IN EXISTANCE...HAHAHA ONENESS
WE CREATE WORDS TO DIVIDE...TO SEPERATE OUR SURROUNDINGS...TO DEFINE..THE INFINATE.
IF YOU LOOK AT MY LAST MESSAGE I SPOKE OF HAHAHAA ONENESS.
SOON I FEEL WE WILL KNOW THIS ANSWER YOU ASK ...BUT AQUARIOUS ARRIVES SOMETHING LIKE 200 MORE YEARS SOOO .......
IN THE MEAN TIME LETS START TO CHANGE OUR MIND SET...AND STOP THE WARS OF SUFFERING PLAGUEING OUR UNUNIFIED RACE.
ONENESS
Gij,j=0, I disagree completely with your statement "Don't claim to know any story of the Bible, Koran, or Torah well." First of all, I do not believe that the Torah or the Koran were God-inspired in any way. If prophecies have been fulfilled from them I might begin to investigate, but as of today I am not aware of any actual proof of anything being divine scripture except for the Bible. I definitely have the right to claim to know any story in the Bible that I have read, and I have most certainly read the tower of Babel story. I know for a fact that nowhere in the story does it say that the first language fell out of use after the languages were confused. If you don't believe me, you can look it up yourself on any good bible reference website--the story is found in Genesis 11:1-9. Also, nothing you said was even halfway relevant to the first language, let alone the tower of Babel. If you're going to change the subject to metaphysics or superstition, then at least provide some kind of transition. I couldn't follow half of what you said and I certainly don't understand how it relates to the first language. Please try to use clearer language and a more structured response in the future, and then I might be able to understand what you're saying. Also I would really like to know what is so funny that requires you to have "HAHAHAHA" strewn throughout your comment. I might add that it doesn't contribute a whole lot to your credibility!
An interseting Hub excelent points through out, Cybermouse I mite recomend checking the Torah out as it is just the Old Testement (remember the Jewish dont give validitay to Jesus so no new testiment) it will give credability to what you say and as for the Karan Or (Quran) it lacks the structure of the bible but also says the same things based again on the old testement. Worth looking at as points of prophetic fullfilment. The origin of lingustics is traaceable in art works and symbolic structure in essaance it is the ability to communicate orgins and destinations and the question arises was it written in the stars before the creation of man as well as imbedd in the inermost parts of our beings (DNA). Pleased to read all views and greatfull to grow in understanding.
laughter.....love.....hahahaha oneness. read my statements closely . no superstitions . bisous
Questioning--Thanks for the comment. While I do have an open mind and I believe that if I were to read the Torah or the Quran, I would no doubt learn from them, I also believe that nothing can best the Bible itself, and I reserve the right to believe mostly and fully in the Bible as opposed to the others. Even though the Torah and/or Quran may or may not contain useful insights, there is nothing better than the Bible, and my thinking reflects this.
Gij,j=0, perhaps I was mistaken in saying that you were superstitious, but your comments were very hard to interpret and made little, if any, sense. This is what I meant. I couldn't think of a better word for describing what you had written, and my point was that you said hardly anything about the first language, and went into a subject that I am not interested in discussing, at least on this hub.
Cybermouse,
After reading each and every comment, all I can say is, not only "May The Force Be With You" but "The Force IS With You!" Definitely!
You've got your head screwed on straight and I don't care what anyone else thinks! Neither do you, and that is one of your strengths, indeed, you have many, my friend. KUDOS!!!
Excellent hub!!!
Dear One, great work and potent insight. You might find the works of Zechariah Sitchin of great use in your ever-continuing search for your personal truth.
By the way, your mother sent me your way after reading my Hub on the Edison Trait ~
Toni Elizabeth Sar'h Petrinovich PhD
www.sacredspaceswa.com
www.angelichuman.com
Bluebird--Thanks very much! That rings true even more so because I like Star Wars.
sacredsarrah--Thanks for your comment as well! I shall indeed check out Zechariah Sitchin.
Hi, I've been reading all of the comments, and to be fair most have valid and reasonable arguements. I'm not going to enter into the debate, but would like to pose a question/thought to the topic.
I used to go to Sunday school as a child and I kind of remember a story about the Tower of Babel. As I recall (and my recall isn't very good I'm afraid) there was one language and when the tower of Babel fell, no one could communicate with one another because everyone's language had changed. If the language that we spoke back then was changed, then Hebrew as we know it came about after the fall of the Tower of Babel surely? If this is the case, what was the language spoken before the Tower fell?
lol @myself...missed a whole section of this hub about the tower of Babel >.< am reading it now !
This whole hub is very interesting :)
I just have been reading the bible genesis 11 vs 1-9 and read a lil further back too...The language spoken at the time of Babel was the language spoken by Noah and his offspring... this is obviously because all of mankind was wiped out by the floods that covered the earth in Noah's time, thus the only language left to survive was that of Noah's native tongue. According to Genesis, the language spoken by man was one unifiying language and of one speach, and from what I read, God didn't like the idea that much because it meant that we as humans could accomplish anything we set our minds to, so in His wisdom God decided to confound the language of man, because we weren't obviously ready to accomplish these amazing things God foresaw us doing. vs 7-9 state "Lets us go down, and there confound their language that they may not understand one another's speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore the name of it called Babel; becuase the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and dfrom thence did the Lord scatter them all abroad on the face of the earth"
So, from that I'm guessing that the tongue of all the earth was that of Noah, which, if I am not mistaken is Older than Hebrew
. God doesn't do things by half...if He confounded the language of all the earth, then the language spoken before the time of Babel would have been lost. All languages that formed after Babel are Old. They would be the languages of the people scattered across the face of the earth. Hebrew being ONE of those languages to come from Babel and one of the oldest, but I don't think Hebrew is THE oldest language.
You have to think about modern language and regional diferences in accent and dialect. In England we all speak one language, but in different parts of the country we have different words for different things, this is a regional thing, and the same would have applied to ancient times too, before Noah. After the flood the only language available to the earth was that spoken by Noah and his family, hense the reason we all spoke one common tongue and speech. No where have I read that Noah spoke Hebrew.
Thanks for the comments, Liz. The reason I believe that God did not get rid of or annihilate the first language at the tower of Babel is that it doesn't make sense for God to simply get rid of a language he created. I believe that a select few still spoke it after the confusion of the languages, because no where does it say that it WAS destroyed. Until I find evidence that it was destroyed, I'm going to believe that it wasn't. Of course, I have no more proof for this theory than you have for yours. You just haven't read anything that contradicts your theory. So until either of us read something that evidences our own opinion, there's really no reason for us to argue about it. In fact I'm glad your opinion differs from mine. The search for truth would mean nothing, after all, if everyone knew the truth. For now, we only have theories, and this is my theory.
WOW! Cybermouse ur so cool. Speechless
dipz--Thanks for the comment! Cheers :)
Hey there all humans,
One wise person in between was babbling a lot about socrates and other scholars of ancient period. Well my dear, the great Indian vedic period dates far behind even the great great grand dad's grand dad of Mr.Socrates. Arya bhata who himself was a scholar might have been a good looking mummy that Mr.Socrates can see if he was preserved after his death. Huh, and about dev nagri and Brahmi, the oldest scripts ever, is a proven fact. You guys check in google please if you cannot find a wise man to ask next your door.
My friend who wrote about dwaraka was absolutely right and i am enclosing certain facts of Dwaraka.
Oldest Civilization
Sunken City Off India Coast7500 B.C.? 10 000 B.C.? 50 000 B.C.?
How to fix the date of the MahabharataA practical suggestion
The following text is taken from the Mahabharata.The text in Section VI predicts the sinking of the City of Dwaravati. Section VII describes how the city of Dwarka was swallowed up by the ocean. Geological expertise can help determine the period when the city of Dwarka was lost beneath the ocean waves.
Tsunami? (Earliest recorded event of Tsunami)
From The MahabharataMausala Parva, Section VITranslated by Sri Kisari Mohan Ganguli
Vasudeva said:This city of Dwaravati, after Arjuna’sdeparture, will, with its walls and edifices, be swallowedup by the ocean without any delay.
Sunken City Off India Coast-7500 B. C.?© 2002 by Linda Moulton Howe
February 16, 2002
Surat, India - A month ago in mid-January, marine scientists in India announced they had sonar images of square and rectangular shapes about 130 feet down off the northwestern coast of India in the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay). Not only are their sonar shapes with 90-degree angles, the Indian Minister of Science and Technology ordered that the site be dredged. What was found has surprised archaeologists around the world and was the subject of a private meeting two weeks ago attended by the Indian Minister in charge of investigating the underwater site about thirty miles off the coast from Surat.
An American who traveled to that private meeting was Michael Cremo, researcher in the history of archaeology for the Bhakti Vedanta Institute in India and author of the book Forbidden Archaeology. I talked with him today in India about the dredging operation, what the ocean engineers found and the implications of first carbon dating of artifacts at more than 9,000 years.
Michael Cremo, Researcher of Ancient Archaeologyand Author, Forbidden Archaeology
"Within the past few months, the engineers began some dredging operations there and they pulled up human fossil bones, fossil wood, stone tools, pieces of pottery and many other things that indicated that it indeed was a human habitation site that they had. And they were able to do more intensive sonar work there and were able to identify more structures. They appeared to have been laid out on the bank of a river that had been flowing from the Indian subcontinent out into that area.
According to the news releases, they have done a radiocarbon testing on a piece of wood from the underwater site that is now yielding an age of 9,500 years which would place it near the end of the last Ice Age.
Yes, those are the indications that are coming. There were actually two radiocarbon dates: one about 7500 years old and another about 9500 years old. The 9500 year old one seems to be the strongest one. That's the one they are going with. This was announced by Minister Joshi (Murli Manohar Joshi is Indian Minister for Ocean Technology) at this meeting I attended in Hyderabad, India. He said there is going to be more work going on. It's difficult because it's very difficult to see down there. There is a very swift current. So, it's going to have to be a pretty massive effort, but he said the government of India is willing to put the resources behind it to do whatever it takes to further confirm these discoveries.
I also spoke in Hyderabad with an independent archaeologist not connected with the Indian government, but who has a deep interest in these discoveries and he says they are still going to have to send divers down there. Up to this point, they have not sent divers down. The information they have is based on the sonar readings and the dredging they have done. Eventually, they are going to have to find a way to get people down there to take a closer look at this. I think this effort is going to go on.
Now, another American archaeologist, Richard Meadows of Harvard University, is proposing there should be an international effort here. On the surface that sounds like a good idea, but it also may be an effort of American archaeologists and others to control the project. I don't think they want to see a civilization being as old as it appears to be according to these new finds at 9500 years ago. So, I would hope the Indian archaeologists and government would be very cautious about letting outsiders in there who might have a different agenda and who might try to control what gets let out about this very important discovery. It could be quite revolutionary.
Cultural Background of People At Underwater Site?
Even if we don't know what the cultural background of the people is, if it does happen to be a city that is 9500 years old, that is older than the Sumerian civilization by several thousand years. It is older than the Egyptian, older than the Chinese. So it would radically affect our whole picture of the development of urban civilization on this planet.
Now, if it further happens that additional research is able to identify the culture of the people who lived in that city that's now underwater, if it turns out they are a Vedic people - which I think is quite probable given the location of this off the coast of India - I think that would radically change the whole picture of Indian history which has basically been written by western archaeologists.
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I write a lot on the Hebrew language. I think you are correct. I have a few hubs on the origin of the alphabet and the symbolism of the Hebrew language. I would invite you to check them out sometime.
Those are good Hubs you've written, Peter.
I want to see the entire Old Testament in original language with literal translation of the picture symbols and the factual historical/cultural commentary next to it for better understanding - like a side-by-side translation Bible, only with the full truth.
Great discussions here.
Well my thoughts might be weird but I'll put them forth anyway,evolution theory says our first language was,oooh and aaah,and creation theory doesn't know cause we are confused because of the splitting of languages.So I know this doesn't help the debate much but might put some laughter into it.
Peter--Thanks! You're the first person to explicitly agree with me that Hebrew was the first language. I will definitely take a good look at your hubs.
Patty-I know there are editions of the Hebrew Pentateuch that are as you described. I can't recommend any good web sites to buy any from, but I know they do exist. One of my college professors has one. I'll ask him sometime where he got it :)
Cybermouse,
I would also be interested in knowing about the Hebrew Pentateuch that you are referring to, will you post your findings? I must question, are you thinking that Hebrew was the pure Adamic language? Have you read any works of the scholar, Hugh Nibley? This Hub has generated a great discussion. Thanks.
In a book Fossilised Customs,they said today's Hebrew is old day Babylonian Hebrew is there any proof to this,for I also think Hebrew is the oldest language though like others I can not prove it.
In The Doghouse--I will indeed post my findings on here, if I can discover where my professor got his copy. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more than one. He teaches one of my classes which is called BTE for short, which stands for Biblical Theology and Ethics, an upper level course on Christian Apologetics and the foundational ideas and various logical proofs behind Christianity, as well as proofs against all other worldviews.
Graceful Guardian--Thanks for your comments. To answer your question, the old testament was originally written in Hebrew. This is the same Hebrew used by the Babylonians as you have said, therefore the Pentateuch itself (the first five books of the O.T.) is proof that this is the same Hebrew as that of today. It is not the exact same language as it was then, but this is insignificant when you consider that other languages have changed too, especially ones that have not been around as long as Hebrew has.
Wow, very interesting...I just spent well over an hour reading all of these comments. Where to start? First I would say that Cybermouse, you did enlighten me with the periodic table. But like with all things in life, we as humans can find an explanation for anything, hence the many religions in the world. I do not agree that hebrew was the first language, although it is quite ancient, and it's not spoken the same way as it used to be, and also the idioms are totally different now. I can't recall the person who wrote about the tower of babel but that brings a good point. The languages were split (assuming we believe this to be historical) so what does this mean? The languages all evolved. Can we prove this? Of course we can. Let's take our language as an example. I'm sure you have heard of the classic "Beowulf". A movie was made of this classic book recently, for those of you who live in a cave. Anyways, this book was written in english. But can anyone reading this post actually read it without a translation? Furthermore, if you can read it, are you able to read it without a commentary? I doubt that, unless you study that old english it was written in. It's so old that it is literally another language. Not just english, but spanish is this way too. I'm sure we are all acquainted with the KVJ. That isn't as old, but giving that to a young child to read would be futile. This is the same with hebrew. Can anyone read the ancient Tanakh in hebrew without a translation and without a commentary? No one can read this and learn this on their own, even an israelite born speaking hebrew and/or aramaic cannot do this. It's a totally different language. In the western world, christianity even teaches hebrew slightly different than in the east, or the jews in the western world.
Hebrew was the language of the canaanites. Abraham was son of Terah, who was part of a Canaanite tribe. Abraham left his tribe to follow G-d. Later on, the descendants of Abraham were called "hibiri". Like today, people call jews insulting names. All of the canaanites were called hebrews, but to the descendants of Abraham, they were not worthy to be called hebrew, so they would call them hibiri. Some might argue that aramaic was the official language of the canaanites, I have read theories of this, and how hebrew evolved from aramaic, it is possible.
Another thing, the issue about the flood. To me this is the most interesting thing. I know a lot of you religious folks will disagree with me. In the torah it says the G-d flooded the "whole earth" and everyone was killed except for noah and his family. A simple examination of the hebrew we read that G-d flooded the whole "ha-eretz". eretz can be translated as earth, land. That would be a literal translation, but at the time, the ancients did not know how big the earth was. Whenever you read this in all of the tanakh, it is a reference to the known world. Like When Xeroxes conquered the whole world in Esther/Ezra/Nehemiah, he did not conquer the whole world, just the known world to them, I mean what about the Americas, and what about the nomad arabs that went to the east? The chinese? I don't think that was the case lol.
Patty I think it was who asked about a literal translation of the tanakh with the pictorial hebrew. To my knowledge, no-one has actually done this, but there is a website that actually has this. I have it saved somewhere, I will find it for you if you are interested. But if you would want it with the masoretic hebrew script, you can find this on amazon, although its not the best, because its just some quick printing to make a few bucks, its better to just learn hebrew and get the critical text of the masoretic text and of course the biblical texts of the dead sea scrolls. But I would highly recommend the BHS its one of the best ones, although not all of the dead sea scrolls variant readings are including, but they are updating it, and the new one should be coming out in 2 or 5 years, I forget, its called la quinta. It does get complicated, but this new one, will incoporate the lexingard text as well as the full masoretic text.
Another thing Cybermouse. Torah means teaching/instruction in hebrew. In the new testament yeshua(jesus) speaks of the law of moses, a horrible translation I would say, but that word in greek is nomos which is the word they used in the LXX to translate torah, so in other words...the Torah, is the first five books of the Christian bible. The tanakh is an acroynm for torah navi'im and ketuvim, which is the teaching, the prophets, and the writtings. The old testament for the christians.
Well one last note. I think that one guy, the best, is the reason for much of our horrible past as a society. That kind of mentallity is what drove the vatican into these horrible wars, like the crusades, and burning people at the stake for not allowing people freedom of choice, nazi germany is another one. It's all ignorance really, I am not a christian, I used to be a while ago. But I am quite knowledgeable in the scriptures, and do intend to further my studies in religion to hopefully enlighten people like you one day. What does Paul say in your scriptures? hmmm recall Ephesians 2:8-9? "Be kind to each another tender-heartedly, forgiving each other, even as Christ, for G-d's sake, has forgiven you" I may not be a Christian anymore, but this verse still holds truths in my life, minus the G-d and Christ part. I am not here to force you to believe what I believe, I am just here to discuss and debate if need be, but nothing that would lead to a hateful relationship. I do respect everyone's beliefs.
I don't want to be considered an aetheist,but recent findings while reading the bible have made me start to question the accuracy and the writers on the whole teachings but this is not what I wanted to add.While SANSKRIT might be the oldest documented written language I still don't believe it to be the first,history has proven that CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS to be a damn liar when he said they discovered countries when in fact there were people living there before.Now conserning the birth of the socalled SANSKRIT:early 17th century,the Harappan society declines after 2000bc,1500bc immigrants moved from the mountains northwest as the Aryans spoke an indo-european language that became the source for the SANSKRIT,with iron tools and weapons conquered the earlier inhabitants the DASAS and spread into the eastern Punjab and along the Ganges River valley,which reveiled the priestly class,the BRAHMANS in the literature of the VEDIC SOCIETY,it wasn't until 200bc that Valmiki began to compose the Ramayan.HOMO SAPIANS appeared in Africa 130000 years ago under the PLIOCENE EPOCH,AUSTALOPITHECUS has proven that the first sign of human life originated out of Africa,whereas India broke off from Africa 200000-150000 years ago.Mesepotamia which is now called Iraq were the first to domesticate sheep and dogs for hunting purpose long before the Asians created the first sea going boat 62000 years ago,therefore all know the original language of Iraq is ARABIC and Iraq was part of Africa,Eden is in Africa,the first Neanthertal drawings were found in Iraq and African People true religion was supposed to Muslim and not Christianity and civilization started in Africa it is therefore safe to say that ARABIC was the first language written until proven otherwise.The BIBLE was translated in HEBREW first and then ENGLISH after the DEAD SEA SCROLLS were written in ARABIC.Now conserning the questioning of the Bible it has mostly to with circumstances concerning the death of JUDAS,Matt27:4-8,Acts1:16-20, and to add the OLD TESTIMENT was written in Hebrew and the NEW TESTIMENT in Greek more on these findings visit www.answering.christianity.com ,so I hope this shared some light on the subject ,sorry Hindus you were told wrong imformation from birth
Trini to the bone,
Wow. Interesting stuff there. The dead sea scrolls are all in hebrew/aramaic/greek none are in arabic to date, none that have been released to the public at least, and it would not be possible seeing that the arab nomads had nothing to do with those writtings. The qu'ran was written a few centuries after jesus in classic arabic, and it basically has the arab version of what happened in the ancient days. It's actually interesting, if you ever read the qu'ran, there is one race of people described in the torah that we know nothing of, but in the Qu'ran it has the story, because those people were arab.
Anyways. Islam is the religion, and muslim is a believer of islam. It get confusing, you can argue that islam has been around for years, because thats what muslims say, islam means devotion to G-d/Allah. So with that definition it has been around for ages. I don't know if I can agree with you about arabic. But its hard to say. I can argue with the script its a bit more advance than hebrew aramaic and phoenician, due to the fact that arabic is a cursive language. But that means nothing, because thats script not the language, hebrew and arabic are cousin languages, that is true. You can see it with words as salam/shalom ente/attah abba/babba etc...If you ask an arab they probably would tell you the same thing, but ask a jew the same. I really don't think this is the case, if you read my earlier post you can see why. But, I most certainly won't rule it out. I could be totally wrong, and you could be right.
I don't know too much about arabs, but one final note...if we go with your theory, it is known (not 100% fact though) that when ishmael and hagar left abram they went to the east, and all the decendants(of which they say are arab) became nomads, and so there is no history of the arabs just traditions passed down and later recorded in the qu'ran. So if this is true, then your theory is flawed, because if hagar and abram spoke arabic, they would have kept that language. If you read the hebrew pictorials, you can understand the tanakh better, for example the word hallel means to praise, in the hebrew pictorial it is spelled HLL the "H" is a man with his hands up in the air (similar to our h...makes u think) and the to "L"'s are shepards staffs, so hallel means to praise because the pictures say it...a shepard putting his hands in the air. the oldest arabic script we have is from 1ce i believe it is. So if we go with this, the arabs did not write their language down till much later, and so how would the jews write their bible without this script?
pQsk
;seems to me that you have a little bit of knowledge of the bible but you are forgeting that before MOSES wrote the Laws of the Torah(Hebrew)means instruction,in the Hebrew Bible the first book was called BERESHITH meaning in the beginning,a name taken from the opening words of the book.the english bible follows the Greek bible made in Alexandria in the third century and calls it Genesis meaning "source".Abram came long after Enoch(gen4:17-18)Seth(gen4:25,gen5:1-32).The red sea was formed in about 20,000000 years ago with the seperation of Arabia from Africa.Seth,Enoch,Mahalaleel are all names of arabic decent,Abram came after the fall of the Babel tower and the confusing of tongues.Now about the writing of the Quran it is from the early 17th century but it still doesn't prove that the Arabic language is not the first language ever written,so to say the Bible was 3rd century,Sanskrit 17th century,Quran 17th century,Moses 1300bc,Aramaic 300bc,Greek1500bc,So as to say what was the beginning shall be the end.One last thing drawings is a form of writing too and the very first writings or drawings were recorded from the Neantherthals in Iraqian caves
Yes I knew that all that. But names in the tanakh, whichever text it is, does not prove anything, but thats another subject entirely. I am not saying hebrew was the first language, I do not believe this at all, neither do I believe arabic to be, it would not make sense, in my opinion that is. But you do make valid points about the written arabic. If the romans would have successfully destroyed all of the 2nd temple, I'm sure we would have lost all of the hebrew, and we would have a similar debate about the hebrew written form. :-)
pQsk .............let's forget about the neanthertals etc, it's true the romans did destroy the 2nd temple but the first temple was built in 2500bc in the Babylonian city Nippur where it was filled with clay tablets which also was the first library in the Mesopotamian territory.In 3500bc the egyptians developed the first known system of writing which consisted of hieroglyphic symbols that represented objects,sounds and ideas(egyptian language arabic "semitic language").3010bc Cuneiform (wedge shape)writing is invented by the Sumerians in Uruk(ancient city of southern Mesopotamia,Iraq) consisting of about 1400 symbols which was used to record goods and transactions on clay tablets...........As for Kalki,Naga,Akshat Pandey, Sudesh Anand and Vimalan Munusamy on their little comment of the subject,at the beginning of the Indus Valley cilvilizatin, writing first appeared in south asia at Harappa which was't until 1500bc and that's when Hinduism was created,450bc Nyaya philosophy develops,400bc Panini writes sanskrit grammar, 200bc--200ad the Bhagavad-gita was writen.So it is safe to say that everything started in Africa and will return to Africa.To put in another way Semitic languages:-arabic, being the intermediate transportation from other languages to english ,hebrew, aramaic, maltese, amharic, Sanskrit is not a Semitic language. Try using the encarta 2008 dictionary to look up these words....................................................................
pQsK - I haven't had time to read any of your comments except the first one, but I completely disagree that one cannot learn the ancient Hebrew language. It is no different than learning Spanish. The claim that we cannot know what the original authors wrote is completely unfounded and illogical. If you need proof of this, take any basic class in Biblical Theology and Ethics, or a class in basic logic for that matter. I am in such a class right now in my current semester in college, and we thoroughly covered the subject of ancient languages being reliable if one puts forth enough effort to learn them. If you need live proof, I would be more than happy to introduce you to my Bible professor, Dr. Rapinchuk, the one who owns a copy of the Tanakh. It's important to realize that one's knowledge about such things (such as ancient languages) might be incorrect. For instance, you wouldn't debate the theory of relativity with Einstein--no one did. This is because the man knew what he was talking about. If a chemist were to show me a picture of a glucose molecule, I wouldn't debate with him or her whether or not it is really a picture of a glucose molecule, because the chemist obviously knows much more than I do about it. Similarly, it would be foolish to debate the reliability of an ancient language with a Bible professor who knows and fluently speaks in ancient languages. I admit that I stated the names of things (Torah, Pentateuch) incorrectly, as it's been four semesters since I took Biblical Survey and learned what they were all called. I couldn't remember the word "Tanakh" but that is what I meant when I said "Torah" and "Pentateuch." I realize they are not the same thing, and again, I meant to say "Tanakh" as you rightly corrected me to do.
cybermouse.........................I would agree with you that anyone can learn any language but you cannot base your facts on something is being thought in a class room without questioning the evidence,therefore if someone is to tell you that the bull full is to believe.11000bc Mesopotamian civilization domesticated sheep and other small animals.4200bc was the dawn of Sumerian civilization(sounthern part of Mesopotamia)and in 3600bc that the biblical city of Uruk(Erech..hebrew translation in the Tanakh)was founded.TANAKH "sacred book of Judaism".Judaism developed following the exile of the Judeans to Babylonia in 586bc,It originates as a confederation of hebrew tribes sharing one common belief in one god Yahweh.400-500bc the Talmud,a body of the Jewish law an commentary on the Torah is first complied and consisted of the Mishnah(codification of laws)and the Gemara(commentary on the Mishnah).2 compilations existed:1st Palestine, 2nd Babylonian,the palestinian talmud was written in west Aramaic and the babylonian was written in east Aramaic,of the 2nd the babylonian was more intensive and elaborate.The terms Judaism and religion do not exist in premodern Hebrew.Christianity originated as one among several competing Jewish ideologies in the 1st century Palestine gods and Islam,these religions had an impact on the subsequent history on Judaism.................................. civilization started in Africa but it is hard for the world to say that because whites did not originate from there,even Aramaic was before Hebrew .The bible was written in many other languages before translated in hebrew.
Trini to the bone: I am just curious where you came up with the arabic language being the ancient egyptians mother tongue? What class did you take where you learned this? what book did you read? what professor teaches this, or what scholars say this because I have never heard of this ever. Last I heard (and the majority of what I have read to present) was that coptic was the closest thing we know to what the ancient egyptians spoke, but the coptic we know now is just the "last phase" of that dead language. I don't disagree with you on civilizations coming from africa, one would be dumb to make this assumption, but about arabic being the original language and being spoken the same as today is absurd. I would really love to know where you got this info, and I hope its not something like wikipedia. And also how the tanakh was written in several languages before being translated into hebrew, I really have not heard of this, not even from secular scholars. Where are these sources really? Not even Dr. Feather with his crazy theories has gone that route, although I do agree with most of his research.
Cybermouse, I apologize, I must have not come across correctly, yes I know anyone can learn the tanakh, my question is, can some-one learn this with out a commentary? If you learn modern hebrew/aramaic, would someone be able to read the tanakh perfectly without that commentary to give you the background on the culture and the way of thinking? The language has changed so much over the years that it's not even the same, hebrew is only around because ancient jews decided they wanted to revive the dead language. And it is true what trini says. Christianity, in my opinion, stems more from the Essens, which if you read their writtings and compare it to the gospels and all of paul's letters, they make much more sense. You should check them out sometime you would be quite amazed especially the gospel of john, that has "essen" written all over it. There is even the prophesy in matthew that scholars have debated over years, I forget the chapter and verse, but it speaks of a prophesy of a nazarene which is not in the tanakh, but there is a similar prophesy with the essen scriptures, which points to the Jesus movement more to the essen's, although he was against them. In any case that is my opinion, there is still a lot more research to be done on the subject. But read some of Dr. Feather's stuff, it opens eyes, but some of his theories are off the wall.
Hi guys fascinating how we all think with the constraints of our own society and language. Aboriginal people came to australia 40000 years ago give or take 5000 years ( as far as i can acertain from the most recent research on the african diaspora) These peoples lived in australia in relative isolation since that time. Chances are there language or language group, some still spoken today are 40, 000 years old. Also there many animals have rudimentary language elephants whales and dolphins definately do, i would assume they are millions of years old.
Greetings to all!
Firstly can I receommend a book by an author named Edward Horowitz ' HOW THE HEBREW LANGUAGE BEGAN', it is very defined in it's presentation for all language students. I have read all the comments posted and felt that the current world setting poses a threat to the very essence of language as jargon and abbreviations abound. The media smothers us with slogans, phrases, and new terminology which varies from people to people. My point in this is I feel we have lost the seincerity and character of language which has been thrown aside by a invading culture of Globalism. The argument from the Indian subcontinent about sanskrit and tamil and other languages being older than hebrew is missing the mark. Mankind is not evolving mankind is suffering a decline. From Babel to the New Babel - the new world order, Sanskrit being the oldest language, which by the way has links to Latin, Greek and Persian. In india a lot of people are not using original words in their correct usage for example 'Farsh' in India means 'Floor' but in Persia it means 'Carpet or Rug'. Here's an interesting question, if Sanskrit is older than Hebrew let's look at the word for 'One' Sanskrit - 'Ekam', Hebrew - 'Echad' Which came first, they both sound the same! To understand a people we need to understand the language they speak, unfortunately in this declining world, I would like to know the Language God speaks, as he uses all languages equally does he not! Maranatha!
The above book is titled ' How the Hebrew language grew' by Edward Horowitz,. sorry my mistake!
I think world's oldest is language is SANSKRIT
according to me,the oldest language is 'bhramalipi' and the 'jains' had 23 'thirthkoro' and the 24th thirthkoro had 'lord mahavir'...the 1st thirthkar had 'lord rushabh dev' and he had a daughter named 'brahmi' who founded the script 'brahmalipi'...this language has said to be the earliest to date before the jains (jainism)...and the last thirthkoro(24th) had lord mahavir who is supposed to be worshiped by the jains till date....lord mahavir's existence is known to date back 2500 years from now,each thirthkoro has an average span of 100000(yes,one hudnred thousand years!),so this language,namely,'brahamlipi' is said to be the oldest instead of 'sanksrit'
Ok, I have am late into this but I have to let “the one” know about a verse in the bible that he seemed to defend and believe in. Matthew 5:22 But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. If anyone wants to respond go ahead I will never read it so have fun venting or arguing whatever. I will start for you (that is judging and you will be judged by the same measure). Wrong I am not judging that word is offensive to God and me.
Sorry the name was "The Best" not "the one"
Hi,
A very long discussion.....I doubt that the oldest language might have a name (or the name exists now)!! Since the existence of Life started in the world, there needed some form of communication. We need to be firmly believe that the written language came before the visit of spoken languages. Yes... at first the humans used to write or draw the figures to communicate with their fellow beings....Thus written form came before spoken form of languages...Probably the first language might be called differently from what we have the names of language fossils which we have now a days. The oldest language might not sustain in the same name...Even not seperately, without the adulteratied with other languages....That language might got diluted in more than one forms...that is one or more language forms. Also we need to clarify that speech is different from language...A bird or any animal could able to imitate human voice...The main thing in our context should be that the language is the sum of scripting, grammer and spoken dialect....the soul of the language is said to be its dialect but the body is its script.....what u say?
cybermouse,
Aside from the fact that you pose none of your conclusions in a scientific manner, your conclusions ARE ALL WRONG. Your reasons for believing and your proof that Hebrew is the oldest known language still in use today is, and I quote, "Hebrew is the oldest known language still in use today. In factit is more widely used than all otherancient languages. If it was the first language, it would make sense that it is still in use. Why would the worlds first language ever fall out of use?"
Is this really your deep scientific reasoning and conclusions? Really? I find nothing even remotely scientific or interesting about your conclusions.
Also, about your conclusions about yahweh and carbon and man; what does a mythalogical god have to do with language? God DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!! Don't even bring that crap up in this forum. Just because mommy and daddy wasted their money on sending little Johnnie to an institute of mythalogical (theological)learning and little Johnnie had ONE class in languages does not make him qualified to stick his nose into the circle where qualified (and undeluded) linguists and people with real qualified opinions gather to INNTELLIGENTLY discuss scientific matters. So, go sit your silly ass back at the kiddy table. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.
A fine example and demonstration of religious fundamentalism's ignorance and arrogance. Thaks for the lesson.
mavericksims,
Unlike you, I do not believe that science is the only way to gain truth and understanding about the universe. It used to be that logic and reasoning were perfectly sufficient to explain things, but now if it isn't scientific then it's wrong, which is a bunch of baloney. Also, in response to your "don't even bring that crap up in this forum" ignorance, this is MY FORUM, buddy. I wrote the hub, and you chose to comment on my hub. I'll bring up whatever I want to in my hubs, and if you don't like it, there's not a whole lot you can do about it. Besides, nothing you said in your comment was any more scientific or provable than anything I said in my hub. Who decided that science was the ONLY place to gain truth and understanding from, and why did anyone listen to them? You provided no scientific explanation to back your opinion that God does not exist, and yet you expect me to provide explanations for my beliefs. You also insulted me personally and compared me to a little kid. It sounds to me like you're the one who ought to examine your own beliefs and grow up a little bit. Insulting people whose opinions differ from yours is for 3rd graders, bud. Adults should know how to intelligently discuss (as you mentioned but did not do) topics like this. You said you found nothing interesting in my hub, and yet you commented on it anyway rather than ignoring it. Now THAT'S what I find interesting.
Just to put some more thought into this. How is it known that the first language was verbal or written at all? I cant remember the exact numbers, but isn’t it that a larger percentage of language is non verbal or to put in better perspective body language? Just a thought ponder. And didn’t God give us self awareness to understand language and interpret it, and our surroundings? And in the end is language an interpretation of our selves and everything around us?
Oh and by the way nice hub, I like to read other people's interpretations of existence to help me better understand mine. Thanks
It look like you might be trying to use faith to help solve a scientific problem. Folks have tried to do that for centuries and the results are, well, not the best. You end up with the sun revolving around the earth, disease caused by "humours," that sort of thing. No matter how well intentioned, faith and religion have almost never done a good job of explaining the natural world.
On the other hand, science can't explain faith or why we're here. It doesn't even try.
If you want to know about biology, physics, or - in this case - linguistics, look to science. In other words, science can send us to the moon, but religion offers an explanation for what the moon means.
So about the oldest language? We'll never know. It would have died out long ago before writing was invented. No language lasts forever!
darrenb5, all I can say to that is that the Bible has taught me a lot more about life and the universe and everything than science has. Science as you said cannot give us a reason for existence, nor can it offer a solution as to why evil exists or why it seems wrong to begin with. The Bible and "religion" have known the answers to all these questions for centuries. Although I don't think of it as a religion at all. I can't stand when people use the word religion--it sounds so fake and intangible. What I do as a Christian based on my beliefs in God I would describe more as a relationship. Yes it may be difficult to have a relationship with a being who can't be physically percieved, but He listens to us when we pray and we can listen to Him by reading His word. Just because it is beyond our current understanding or our scientific ability to prove doesn't make it wrong. Something is only wrong when it is proven wrong, and I personally have seen much more solid evidence behind Christianity than anything science has offered. As far as the oldest language, I am not using faith to prove anything. I'm using the Bible, which is documented, historical evidence. Approximately one-third of the Bible is historical fact, not "religion." Just because the other two-thirds aren't history doesn't mean the history that is in the Bible never happened.
Cybermouse, I agree with you that THE BESTs way of communication instills a rebellious thinking that makes people want to believe the opposite of THE BESTs spewings. If anyone here has read any type of philosophy or debate, they will agree that logic and reasoning prevail over emotion and shouting at any time.
As for the worlds oldest language I am unsure. I believe that the spoken form is not recorded or known expect maybe to God. Following a christian view point, I believe the first means of communication was telepathically. God spoke to Adam and Eve through their minds according to the bible. And is it not true that I can think of a word in my mind and yet not say it? I believe the mind can convey emotions and feelings as well, and because of this communication was more intimate and efficient. For this reason, I think that the mouth and tongue were used primarily for eating and drinking, while the mind was used to communicate. Perhaps the voicebox originated when the telepathical type of communication was lost. Because i believe that evolution is real to an extent, maybe the larynx was evolved over time as the need to communicate orally arose. As for when this method of communication was lost I will attempt to say, for I am unsure myself.
Other than that, great hub Cybermouse, it sparked a legion of interesting and mind-boggling thoughts.
hi friends
i think that sanskrit is the oldest language,the reason is that vedas have been written in sanskrit and rig veda has been included in the list of world's heritage list due to oldest written proof.As hindu gods used to talk in sanskrit and vedas had been written thousands of years after hindu god's existance or you can say origin of hindu religion which itself is oldest religion on the earth so it clearly indicates that sanskrit is the oldest language on earth.
think seriously that nothing is included in world's heritage list without proof & research. otherwise god has given mouth to everyone & everyone can tell that his language is oldest bye.
i like the whole debate on which was the first language
but i personally think it wass Sanskrit, the oldest religon is hinduism and so hindu gods spoke in sanskrit! but its not right to always follow science because we r just humans and there are millions of things we still havent discovered and only GOD has the answer to all of them!
but this doesnt mean we humans are stupid it just means that we cant always rely on science..watever god has made, has made for good!
we cant change anything other then how we view things.
try to look at things in Wisdoms point of view and not as a mortal human
The above discussions are interesting. But, the fact that worlds oldest language or the worlds latest language cannot change our fate.
Our fate is in our hands. We are the outcome of our own deeds.
So, please go back to work.
The below are the six Unmatched Features of Sanskrit.....go and read it..... The perfection of the pronunciation (of the consonants and the vowels) and the uniqueness of the grammar that stays the same in all the ages from the very beginning of human civilization and up till today are such features which prove that Sanskrit is not manmade; it is a Divine gift to the people of this world. The following six examples demonstrate some of the unique features of Sanskrit that distinguishes it from other languages of the world. (1) The vowel-consonant pronunciation of the alphabet The most striking feature of the Sanskrit language is the vowel-consonant pronunciation of the alphabet and the uniqueness of every consonant (or its combination) as a complete syllabic unit when it is joined with a vowel. For example: Its 16 vowels are the actual 'voice pattern' of the sound and 36 consonants are only the 'form' of the 'voice pattern' of the sound. So a consonant alone cannot be pronounced as it is only a 'form' of the 'voice pattern' until it is attached to a vowel. Thus, a vowel, which itself is a 'voice pattern,' can be pronounced or it can be modulated by adding a consonant to it .This system was not adopted in the languages of the world. Thus, their syllables have no uniformity. For example, in come and coma 'co' has two different pronunciations, and in come and kind or kiss, the letter 'c' and 'k' both have the same pronunciation.In Sanskrit, the basic structure of its vowel-consonant pronunciation is the unique foundation of the language that precisely stabilizes the word pronunciation where each letter (or a combination of consonants with a vowel) is a syllable. (2) Formation of the Sanskrit words The second unmatched feature is the formation of the Sanskrit words. Since the beginning there was a complete dictionary of root words called dhatu that could create any number of words based on the requirement by adding a proper prefix and suffix described in detail in the Sanskrit grammar. There are 90 forms (conjugations) for every verb to be used in the 10 tenses and 21 forms for other words. The formation, modulation and creation of words have been originally the same, in an absolutely perfect state since the beginning, as they are today. (3) The uniqueness of the grammar The most impressive uniqueness of the Sanskrit grammar is that, along with the Sanskrit language, it is unchanged in every age because it is a Divinely produced grammar. Its conjugation system, word formation and the style of poetry formation are all unique, unchanged and perfectly detailed since it appeared on the earth planet through the descended Saints. Take a line of the Yajurved, There is a noun janah (people), and verb gachcòhanti (to go into) which is formed of gam dhatu (to go), like, gachcòhati, gachcòhatah, gachcòhanti. All the 90 conjugations of the verb gaccòh (to go) and all the 21 forms of the noun jan (people) are used in the same way without any change in the Vedas, in the Puranas and in other Sanskrit literature as well, because they are ever perfect without any sound shift. The Sanskrit language represents the literal form of the Divinity on the earth planet. (4) The style of literary presentation The three styles of Sanskrit are: (a) the Vedas (sanhita), (b) the Upnishads and (c) the Puranas. All of them were reproduced during the same period before 3102 BC. But their literature has its own style. The difference in the style and the uses of words in all the three kinds of scriptures does not mean any evolution or improvement in the vocabulary.Vedic verses do not use the full range of words as is used in the Puranas because the Vedic verses are mainly the invocation mantras for the celestial gods and that too for ritualistic purposes, not for the devotion to supreme God. So they don't need too many words to relate a mantra. The language of the Bhagwat Mahapuran is very scholarly, poetic and rich as it explains the richest philosophy of God, God's love and God realization along with its other affiliated theories. The language of the other 17 Puranas is less rich. The language of the Upnishads sometimes leans towards the Vedic sanhita side. The peculiar characteristic of the Vedas can be observed in the tenth canto, chapter 87, of the Bhagwat Mahapuran where the Vedas themselves are offering their homage to supreme God Krishn. The whole chapter is like this, grammatically perfect, but it is a kind of twisted and uncharming style of language. This is the style and the character of the Vedas (the sanhita). All the chapters of the Bhagwatam, before and after this particular chapter, have elegant literary presentation but this particular chapter, which is in the style of the language of the Vedas, stands out with its own peculiarity. The difference in the literary presentation of the Vedic sanhita and the Puranas has their own nature and style and do not relate to their seniority or juniority. (5) The apbhranshIn every society there are many classes of people. Some are educated, some are less educated and some are much less educated. Accordingly, the quality of their speech differs. Thus, during the time of Ved Vyas, when Sanskrit was the spoken language of India, there may have been some people who spoke a localized form of less perfect Sanskrit. As time went on a new language developed in the Bihar area of North India which was a combination of the localized dialect with the apbhransh words of Sanskrit. The pronunciation of the Sanskrit word changes when it is spoken by the people who are less educated or not educated in the Sanskrit language, and then such words permanently enter into their locally spoken language. These, partly mispronounced words, are called the apbhransh. Just like the words teen and sat are the apbhransh of the Sanskrit words trai and sapt which mean three and seven. It was called the Pali language in which the teachings of Gautam Buddh were written around 1800 BC. Still, Sanskrit remained the spoken language of the literary class of India at least up to the time of Shankaracharya.When Shankaracharya went to have an audience with Mandan Mishra he found two parrots in two cages that were hung in front of his house. They were happily uttering Sanskrit phrases, which they had memorized by listening to the scriptural discussions that were usually happening in the house. All over India Shankaracharya debated in Sanskrit language wherever he went. It was around 500 BC.That was the time when the Greek and Latin languages were in the course of their development. Trade communications between India, Persia, Mesopotamia, Syria and Greece were already well established. The stories of the Puranas and the Bhagwatam had already reached, in a broken form, into those countries which they then adopted in their society and incorporated into their religious mythology. The Iliad and the Odyssey in their earliest and incomplete forms were composed around 600 BC, and later on certain Sanskrit apbhransh words were added in the Greek and Latin languages. (6) Sanskrit, the scriptural language up till today Sanskrit is the language of Bhartiya scriptures. It is also the language of the Divine abodes. The word 'language' is termed as bhasha in Sanskrit. Thus, the bhasha of Vaikunth abode in its original form descended on the earth planet through Brahma in the form of the Vedas and the Puranas and all of its affiliates and branches along with its grammar. First it was called the bhasha as it was the only language of India, literary and spoken both. Later on, when its offshoots developed, it began to be called the Sanskrit bhasha (Sanskrit language) to distinguish it from the other local languages that used the apbhransh words of Sanskrit mixed with their locally spoken tongue. For convenience, these local languages were called the 'prakrit' languages by the history writers. Sanskrit maintained the glory of eternal Bhartiya scriptures in its perfect linguistic representation since its appearance on the earth planet. If someone's conscience fails to comprehend the eternal authent
Very interesting hub. I really do not understand how God/Christianity/Universe/Hebrew/Sunskrit/DNA actually fit into the origin of a language. But i would say DNA makes the most sense. Mathematics is language of the universe. The wonders of the univese are decipered on the concepts of mathematics. DNA is a very complex thing, with very complex over and undertones. The universe is def. desinged now to prove that we as faithfuls and atheasts can all live together without the retarded comments of the korean chritian extremist. Catholism or the early church of God as we evolved as humans wanted to control everything and that being the reason for their reason in everything. As for the techonological advancement over the past 200 years is due to fact we are over accelerating over thought process. For example the atom collider, it took years to build and it will take years to fully undersatnd but for future generations (our grandkids) for them it will be taught as part of their studies. Now because they are given that high quaility of understand at a young age they are free to explore more ideas leading to more discoveries Christinaity has nothing to do with the way we think. As for Hebrew being the first lauguage i disagree, you have very creativly found a link between two words ( do you want a lollipop) Example, words in sankrit are similiar to words spoken in latin/persian/celtic. Oh well who cares, back then ppl migrated and took native/tribal languages with them until someone smarter then them decided to use it and take credit for it. The idea of a Euro-Indo language as being the first makes sense as ppl travelled/migrated and adopted each other languges and added to it just like my idea of teaching our grandkids as you learn more the easier it is to learn something new. I know i haven t edited this post but DNA probabaly is the most evidental proof of us being formed from some supreme being or a (dying species or super species = our great universal ancestors) and the only way for them to live was thru DNA and it is thru DNA that they have survived. Everywhere you look you see the concept of life and death with it comes the idea of SURVIVING. Basically trying to live trying to be free trying to see another day trying to keep going. Isn't that waht humans/earth is all about. Now this has turned into something bigger than i wanted to and i hope some responses to my theory of A SUPER BEING or better yet UNIVERSAL ANCESTORS from another galaxy/universe wahtevers out there who knows ...
This is my personal theory on how the universe was created.
There was a huge PLANET maybe like earth but million times bigger with a million different species living on it peacefully. One day a retarded extrimist blew it up and the BIG BANG happened. After the big bang all those species living (for our discussion purposes i will call it) Planet 1 had a genetic code written inside of them as a form of code to survive. Now as galaxies formed and planet formed the pieces of DNA which were frozen in time finally landed on our planet just like other planets all over the universe and with it came all these differente species who are yet to think intellectually like us humans but somewhere else on another planet out there in another galaxy or in our own there might be a planet ruled by birds who speak who have faith but will never know the truth and we won 't either. But we can only imagin that is the reason why we have brains of which we only use about 8 % or so i believe and i could be wrong ...
Hebrew is not the oldest language still in use today. Greek, Tamil, and Chinese are just a few that are older or as old still in use today.
Since it is NOT POSSIBLE to definitively PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt which ancient civilization created the first written language, let's all focus on the more important issue: the need for common global language. Without effective communication between the common people of all nations, we will continue to have senseless wars started by corrupt, greedy, and sometimes INSANE governmental leaders who put their lust for power and control before the interests of the people they represent. How long do you think women in Africa would be sexually mutilated or women in Afganistan would be butchered in "honor" killings if there were a common language through which the basic code of human decency could be transmitted? While each of you defend the religious belief system and the God you were born to accept and worship, millions of people, particularly women, are enslaved in nations that have not progressed beyond ignorant cave dwellers. Why is there such a drastic disparity between the residents of New York City, USA, and primitive tribes in the darkest regions of Africa and Australia? It is because the barriers of human language have prevented them from rising above their own destructive ignorance. Communication is the key to peace, but only if the human family is joined in at least one common language. By the way, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord of Lord and king of Kings, and I am thankful that Christianity is NOT today a barbaric, intolerant religion that enslaves people, but actually sets them free from earthly governments. If you have to believe in a "God" or need something to worship, ask yourself this question: What kind of "God" requires you to bomb, maim, kill, torture, or beat unbelievers into accepting your brand of religion? If YOUR god is nothing more than a cowardly serial killer who uses "suicide bombers" or people like YOU to do his dirty work, then you better rethink what kind of "God" you are worshiping. SATAN is the author of murder, chaos, cruelty, intolerance, and the lowest form of human evil. Get out of ANY religion that traces its current practice of recruiting members by forcing people into submission or wanton killing. YOU are actually worshiping SATAN, and his language is all too familiar in the world today. Help get rid of this cancer among civilized human beings by being tolerant of all faiths in your community, and work toward at least one common language among us.
To: Cybermouse
Your commentary on the Bible, the Hebrew language, and its relationship to the periodic table is facinating, and yes: it is more than a mere coincidence. Thanks for your insight and putting forth such an interesting analysis.
i cant believe you actually think hebrew is the oldest??? the oldest language that is still spoken today is Farsi!!! look it up. sanskrit is older but only a handful of people still speak it for historical purposes. LEARN YOUR WORLD HISORY
Greek? Chinese? Are you kidding me?? This mike guy needs to open up a world atlas
Hey guys gud topic for discussion. But y did Philosophy or Religion come into dis. And dont think I'm an atheist. I'm a firm believer in GOD. NO DOUBT abot dat. But dat doesn't make me blind to SCIENCE n REALITY. God doesn't think we r FOOLS. After al, v r HIS Prime Creatures. HE didn't create evrythin in an instance n wanted us to beliv it. Evrythin evolved slowly n steadily. Lik d single atom 4m where it al came. And dats wat science tels us. But how cud dis atom come al of a sudden. Dats where d GOD comes in. He made dis atom and wanted it to evolve, create a BIG BANG, form d Universe, Galaxies, Stars, Planets n Ultimately His Dear Ones, Us, d Human Beings. So dis is it. Science n Faith goin in hand with hand harmoniously. And guys, GOD n Science are not entirely two different things. Dey r lik d two faces of d same coin. God created evrythin accordin to certain plan, certain rules. And these rules are our science. Its lik a computer executing its tasks according to a program built 4 it. Evrythin happenin on dis world is with some reason n some rules for a cause set by a Supreme Being. No fruit can fall off a tree by just magic, U hav to climb d tree up to pick it. Science just explains how a thing occurs, but y did it occur, cant b answerd.. Its only Faith dat can expain it.
And of now comin to d main topic 'OLDEST LANGUAGE OF D WORLD'. Now evryone needs ground to stand upon, we cant stand on air. Likwise we need a proof to beliv somethin. And considerin d proofs n records we can come to a conclusion dat der r MAINLY 4 languages to dis status GREEK, LATIN. SAMSKRIT n TAMIL. And again shortlistin it, v get Samskrit n Tamil as d contenders.. Now ppl supportin these 2 languages put forth their own explainations n proofs. Mainly d aryan invasion of the Indus civilization and the existence of a Proto-Dravidian language wich is the Old-Tamil even b4 the invasion. But no record of such things happenin were ever found. But al v hav is d Rigveda(oldest Samskrit literature) n d Tholkappium n Some carvings on stones(oldest tamil literature), wich suggest both des languages existed n flourished centuries b4 dat.. Now pin pointin at a xact time wen these languages were born is very difficult or almost impossible. So lets leve it to time n d GOD to reveal it.. Until den v cant say wich one is d oldest. Lets Wait n See..
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sara, you said that the oldest language is Farsi and that I should "look it up." I'm curious where I should go to obtain such information. Also, do not be so alarmed when someone else's opinion is different from yours. This does not necessarily mean that I don't care for your opinion or even that I disagree with you. The whole reason that I included the word "theory" in the title of this hub was so people wouldn't get all uppity about it, which they did anyway. A theory is a simple statement of what someone believes to be the truth to the best of their knowledge, which is what this hub is for me. I didn't call it "the ultimate and definitive truth about the oldest language that you should believe too unless you're a moron." Based on your reaction, however, I might as well have called it that. I am not trying to force my opinions on you. YOU'RE the one who decided to read my hub, after all.
srikanth, I like what you said about leaving it to God to reveal what the oldest language is. That is largely my own opinion on the matter. Why, then, did I write this hub? I actually only wrote it because I saw a request for it in the request blog, and I thought had read enough about the subject to have an opinion on it. And thank you in return.
In the 15 months since the first comment, nobody has commented that, in the periodic table of the elements, H is the letter for Hydrogen - element 1. N is the letter for Nitrogen.
petebob, read a little bit closer. If you're talking about the English mapping of the table of elements, you would be correct. I know that N is the letter for Nitrogen just as well as anybody. In the Hebrew mapping, however, which is the one I was referring to, the letter H is in the same numeric position as the element Nitrogen in the periodic table. Thus, it is used to represent Nitrogen in Hebrew, but not English.
Hebrew?? That is an absurd notion that Hebrwe is the olderst written language. Any textual scholar would laugh that notion off the face of the Earth.
What does one say to that? Well, I laugh you off the face of the Earth back. I never said that Hebrew is the oldest "written" language. In several of my comments I made it clear that this is NOT my theory. My theory is that Hebrew is the OLDEST language, regardless of when its writing system was adopted. Any textual scholar should have easily been able to determine that by reading more carefully. I do not consider a language's written form; all I'm concerned with are the sounds and syllables that make up the spoken form of the language, and all the evidence I've seen so far, to the best of my knowledge, leads me to believe that the oldest spoken language is Hebrew. Just because I have a theory doesn't mean I'm asking you to believe it too. It means I have seen no evidence that my theory is incorrect, and nothing more.
I agree with you that Hebrew is the first language humans ever spoke. The Bible also agrees with you and what you say about God name is very interesting, although I don't know if it really is so, but why not? All names have meanings and origins. Here is some information on how human languages from one Hebrew became so many...........
How Human Languages Began to Multiply
Language scholars estimate that today there are about three thousand spoken languages used on the earth. Some are spoken by hundreds of millions of persons, others by a few hundred. How did all these come about? Bible history alone explains the origin of this diversity in human languages.
Up until some point after the global flood of Noah’s day, all mankind “continued to be of one language and of one set of words.” (Gen. 11:1) The Bible indicates that the language later called “Hebrew” was the original “one language.” It preceded all other languages. But this does not mean that all other languages stemmed from and are related to Hebrew. Then where did the other languages get their start?
The Genesis account describes the uniting of some part of the post-Flood human family in a project opposed to God’s will. Instead of spreading out and ‘filling the earth,’ they wanted to centralize human society. They concentrated on a site that became known as the plains of Shinar in Mesopotamia. Evidently this was also to become a religious center, with a religious tower. (Gen. 9:1; 11:2-4) However, Almighty God broke up their project. He did this by confusing their common language. This made impossible any coordinated work on their project. It led to their scattering to all parts of the earth.—Gen. 11:6-9.
Available non-Biblical evidence is in harmony with this account. Concerning the focal point from which the spreading of ancient languages began, Sir Henry Rawlinson, Oriental language scholar, observed: “If we were to be guided by the mere intersection of linguistic paths, and independently of all reference to the Scriptural record, we should still be led to fix on the plains of Shinar, as the focus from which the various lines had radiated.”
Sanskrit is thought to be the oldest language in the world. But on the contrary it is TAMIL that is the oldest language and it is still alive today. History says that Sanskrit language originated from the Aryan civilization who invaded India and drove the existing dravidians down south of India. The oldest dravidian language is TAMIL which has history of about 6000 years to 7000 years B.C. It's an irrefutable fact.
Returning to the original question, I feel the languages of the Australian Aboriginal peoples are likely to be far older than that of the Hebrew language. That is as a Spoken language. The cultures of these diverse peoples are arguably the oldest living in the world. And yes they are still widely spoken among the remote and urban Aboriginal communities.
The Hebrew language though undoubtedly ancient cannot be traced back as far as that of the Fisrt Australians. What bits of the language can be are not Hebrew but a "language" or "root words" from which Hebrew is a derivative.
I wish to state my agreement with earlier posters that the First language spoken by man or his ancestors cannot Yet be ascertained. We can only theorise what is the oldest of those we have knowledge of. Hebrew is not it.
It is fact that Sanskrit is the oldest language why because according to the Archiological survey .. it has been decided by the experts that it is exists more than 7000 BC, and answer to the language Sanskrit why few people speak is this is the most diffuclt & toughest language to learn which required at least 5 years to learn such a vast language, even i think hebrew doesn't have such vastness.
Please note that the Australian Aboriginal culture has been archaeologically proven to have existed for 40-50 thousand years. Though not a written language until the country was conquered by the European invaders, the spoken language is older than Sanskrit, archaeologically speaking.
Guys, Especially 3 people on whom I would say over kill it a bit. (Tamil, Hebrew and Sanskrit). Even if one of these languages were really old, some fo the over enthusiastic claims and patriotic fervour removes any legitimacy based on these ''facts". Somebody write with real knowledge.
What about our GENETIC written history, the history written in our genes which shows that we are all Africans who emigrated out of Africa no longer than 30.000 years ago!! Indeed the first indian families to have migrated from Africa have even been located. Their genetic history shows they are relted to a precise African nation.
Hebrew, Sanskrit or Arabic are all derivatives of different African languages.
All humans being genetically Africans, maybe all these languages claim is their ancestry to the Mother Continent.
I have a hammer. It is very, very old. I have had to replace the handle twice, and the head three times.
The oldest language in the world would be that which is more closely in a direct succession to the original world proto-language. This would be Hebrew.
The oldest language most probably came out of Africa and migrated to the fertle cresent in the Mesopotamian area. The ancient languages of Mesopotamia were Sumerian, Akadian, Ebiate, Elamite, Phonician, and the Semetic languages. Not far from there the ancient Egyptian language, a cousin of the Mesopotamian languages, was being spoken. None of these ancient languages in their pure form exist today. However, parts of these languages were absorbed by the Hebrew language. Therefore Hebrew is the oldest language in the world. Do a google search on the word for "peace" in different languages of the world and you will discover most of them have a root in the word "shalom." There are many curious similarities between Hebrew and Sanskrit (as well as Tamil).Although no one from ancient Africa or ancient Mesopotamia would probably be able to understand modern Hebrew, it is still the direct survivor of the mother tongue of the human race. of course we must remember that english from the time of Shakespeare, only 500 years ago, is almost impossible for most high school students to understand—but it is still english. I cast my vote for Hebrew as the direct descendent of the oldest language in the world.
I have stated reasons for the languages of the Indigenous Australian peoples to be older than Hebrew and Sanskrit based on the infomration given by posters in this thread. Basically because the culture pre-dates the dates given by previous posters as it is proven and accepted by scholars to be at least 40,000 years old and beleived t be 50,000 years old. I realise no one can determine the oldest language absolute, as has been pointed out in this thread, however based on the info here it seems to be Aboriginal languages are the oldest living languages. however my point seems to have been ignored by consequent posters. Can I ask why is this and can you please outline some information that would disprove my argument.
Thank you.
At the time the Europeans first came to Australia (somewhere around 1788) there were 250 individual nations in Australia, and each nation had its own language and a few of those nations had multiple languages. Today 200 of these languages are extict. The Aboriginal people had no writing system until recently. The culture is very old but there is no way to determine if the languages they speak today are even remotely similar to the languages they spoke during the times of, lets say, the Sumerians or the Egyptians.Of course the Aboriginal languages came from the same source that the Afroasiatic languages (the language branch of which Sumerian and Hebrew is part of) came from, which would be the world proto-language Nostratic. At least with Sumerian, Egyptian, and Hebrew we have a written language which which assists us in follwing the evolution and the age of the respective languages.
The original language, from a biblical point of view, would be the Edenic (or Adamic) language. This language morphed into the worlds proto-language— Nostratic. From Nostratic came the most ancient Sumerian. The main trunk of the language tree evolved in the following order: Edenic, Nostratic, Sumerian, Egyptian, Canaanite, Phoenician, to Hebrew. Many believe that, although Hebrew kept many elements of the original language, that Hebrew re-absorbed other elements from its Egyptian, Canaanite, and Phoenician neighbors.This caused the Hebrew language to it slowly "un-evolve" or to revert back to the original language .Therefore the Edenic language would have been a proto-Hebrew language. From a religious point of view some believe it is possible that God slowly restored the original language back to his people. At any rate, Hebrew is undeniably the oldest language in the world in direct succession to the original. My vote for Hebrew as the worlds oldest language remains firm.
Actually i do have to agree with a few comments here stating sanskrit is older than hebrew.In your article you have stated that hebrew is the oldest language that is still used today.Sanskrit is still taught in most of the schools all around the world.I don't think the basis for comparison on which language is the oldest has anything to do with relegion because in that case the pre harrapan cultures and the egyptian civilizations would prove their point.Besides sanskrit , other languages such as chinese are much older than hebrew.This is all based on facts and radio carbon dating of the early scriptures.
Hey Zamurin . . . There seems to be an echo in here!
Who cares who created the earth and all the wonderful things in it. Go outside and enjoy it and get off the internet.
Ha,HA!
AMEN, Geoff !!!
I had a very, very old hammer.
The head of the hammer chipped, so I put a new head on it. Later I gave it to my brother. He was glad to receive such a very, very old hammer.
I decided to put another handle on the old chipped hammer head. Later I gave it to my brother-in-law. He was glad to receive such a very, very old hammer.
Question: Which one has the original very, very old hammer—my brother or my brother-in-law?
I began to wonder what company made the hammer so I later went back to my brother and also my brother-in-law and asked what company name was on the hammer handle and the hammer head.
One told me the name inscribed on his hammer was "Sanskrit." The other told me the name inscribed on his hammer was "Hebrew."
A few weeks later when I was cleaning out my garage I made an amazing discovery—I had four other hammers that my grandfather had purchased at the very same time he purchased the very, very old hammer that I gave away.
I then proceeded to buy each old hammer head a new handle and then to give each old hammer handle a new hammer head. I then gave them to friends who were all glad to have such a very, very old hammer.
I got to thinking again and called each one up to find out what company name was on their very, very old hammer. One told me "Nostratic," another told me "Sumerian," another told me "Egyptian," another told me "Tamil," another told me "!Kung Bushman," another told me "Aboriginese." another told me . . . well you get the point!
The following are excerpts from a FOX news article:
EGYPTIAN TOMB INSCRIPTION MAY BEAR OLDEST PROTO-HEBREW TEXT YET
Thursday, January 25, 2007
Jerusalem—
A magic spell to keep snakes away from the tombs of Egyptian kings, adopted from the Canaanites almost 5,000 years ago, could be the oldest Semitic text yet discovered, experts said Tuesday.
"This is the oldest connected text that we have in any Semitic language," Steiner said in a telephone interview while visiting Israel to present his findings in a lecture sponsored by the Academy of the Hebrew Language.
While Egyptians considered their own culture and religion superior to that of their neighbors to the northeast, they were willing to do anything to protect the mummies of their kings from the poisonous snakes.
"Come, come to my house," reads one section in the Semitic language that is supposed to be the snake's mother speaking, trying to lure him out of the tomb.
In another passage, the snake is addressed as if he is a lover with "Turn aside, O my beloved."
The Egyptian and Semitic sections are each an integral part of the magic spell and neither can stand alone, Steiner said. For this reason, the Egyptian experts could not fully understand parts of the religious texts until Steiner got involved.
The Semitic language of these texts that have now been deciphered was a very archaic form of the language that later developed into Phoenician and Hebrew, Steiner said.
The text includes words that have the same meaning as in Hebrew, like "yad" for hand, "ari" for lion, and "beit" for house, he said.
An earlier archaeological find:
"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton
Habiru (Ha biru) or Apiru or pr.w (Egyptian) was the name given by various Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Hittite, Mitanni, and Ugaritic sources (dated, roughly, from before 2000 BC to around 1200 BC) to a group of people living as nomads in areas of the Fertile Cresent from Northeastern Mesopotamia and Iran to the borders of Egypt in Canaan. It is believed that the Habiru were the Hebrew people.
Sumerian documents from the reign of Shulgi of Ur (around 2150 BC) describes a class of people who "establish their tents and their camps — they spend their time in the countryside without observing the decrees of my king".
One of the Sumerian texts uses the Akkadian cuneiform word Hapiri . The texts described them as "soldiers from the West". Their names are predominantly Akkadian; some are West Semitic, some unknown.
Tablets dating back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. were written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. The language was Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect.
The Periodic Table is a Tabular arrangement of the chemical elements according to atomic number as based on the periodic law. Now a law is a fact of Evidence. A law CAN NOT be CHANGE. That is use to describe the elements you can see the Name of Yahweh (YHWH) in us and around us.
HWHY (YHWH) is Seen in the Hebrew because Hebrew read from Right to Left. If we examine the letter H would be first letter in English Write from Left to Right.
H on the Periodic Table is first and it stands for HYDROGEN it value is 1. Hydrogen weight, 75% of the Visible Universe it is Colorless GAS (Spirit). Its 90 % of ALL atoms — three quarters of the mass of the universe! This element is found in the stars, and plays an important part in powering the universe through both the proton-proton reaction and carbon-nitrogen cycle. Stellar hydrogen fusion processes release massive amounts of energy by combining hydrogen to form Helium.
In the space you can see what is call the EAGLE Nebula Because of the reaction Hydrogen between the starlight.
W on the Periodic Table corresponds to TUNGSTEN is value is 74. Pure tungsten is Steel-gray to tin-white metal. It’s the only metal third transition series that occur in bimolecular. In its pure form is mainly in electrical applications. Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metals, and at temperatures over 1650C has the highest tensile strength.
Now that brings me back to the Letter H, which also means HE in Periodic Table. Which already mention in Hydrogen to form HELIUM it value is 2. This Helium is colorless inert gas that glows (understanding or light).
Helium has the lowest melting point of any element and is widely used in cryogenic (storage system) research because its boiling point is close to absolute zero. Also, the element is vital in the study of super conductivity. (Now Yahweh said HE is ELOHIM, Still that a shape and form ELOHIM is SUPER INCORPOREAL (angelic) form of a man. Elohim is what Moses saw on the Mt it was colorless it was the body in it Clearness.
Except for hydrogen, helium is the most abundant element found in the UNIVERSE. Helium is extracted from natural gas. In fact, all natural gas contains at least trace quantities of helium.
Then it brings us to the Letter Y, which is on the Periodic Table as YTTIRUM it value is 39. It has a silver-metallic Luster and is STABLE in AIR. It is RARELY seen in is PURE STATE. It is a RARE-MINERAL. When ignited in air exceed 400 C. Now Yahweh has a Pure State His understanding of Him is RARE.
So we have elements of Hydrogen (H), Tungsten (W), Helium (H) and Yttrium (Y).
Now Here Food for thought Now before we can even make a sound we must breath first every man women and child and this earth breath in a two count breath. WE inhale and we exhale.
We inhale with the sound of YAH and we exhale with sound WEH
Juris Zahrins has proposed that pastoral nomadism began as a cultural lifestyle in the wake of the 6,200 BC climatic crisis when Harifian huntergatherers fused with PPNB agriculturalists to produce a nomadic lifestyle based on animal domestication developing a Circum Arabian nomadic pastoral complex, and spreading Proto-Semitic languages.
Since cuneiform was deciphered a century and a half ago, Akkadian has provided bountiful new lexical material offering valuable parallels to numerous words in biblical Hebrew and keys to their meanings.
A stream of water (we will call it the Mother Stream)) may break off into three different smaller streams (Streams #1, #2, and #3). Joe may trace the stream in front of his home, which is stream #1, back to the Mother Stream and claim his is a continuation of the main stream. Jack may trace stream #2 which runs through his property back to the Mother Stream and claim HIS is a continuation of the main stream. Jerry may trace the stream on his property, stream #3, back to the Mother Stream and contest HIS is a continuation of the main stream. Which one is correct history? They all are. However Joe's stream, #1, would be the only stream that Joe could trace back from his house to the Mother Stream. Streams # 2 and # 3 would be irrelevant and, having split off earlier, would be irrelevant to the tracing of his stream (#1). All languages today, no doubt, all stem from a common Mother Stream. HOWEVER only through ONE of those streams can John Doe trace his personal language through back to the Mother Stream. If John Doe believes his language to be the "chosen" language then it is the particular stream that John Doe has traced his language through that is the true history of his language. He may consider the others as offshoot languages. Whether John Doe is correct or NOT that HIS language is the "chosen" language he is still absolutely correct that his history is the true history OF HIS PARTICULAR LANGUAGE. When I state a certain language can be traced through a chain of other languages in history I am stating the history of that ONE particular language. I am not tracing the other languages because they are irrelevant to my particular languages history.
Hi..
First of all.. hebrew came after Arabic - Ismail (peace be upon him) was the first one to spoke arabic.. and he was the brother of Ishac (peace be upon him) and - he was the jewish people father -.. But I can say one thing.. ARABIC is the most living languages on earth and the most fruitful language.. no offence to other.. The beauty of it catches you.. Now adays it is English as the "Language of science and communications globally.. But guess what "Chinese, Arabic and English) are on the top of the rank of number of speakers..
Check this out:
http://news.mongabay.com/2005/0724-unesco.html
Arabic if estimated by native and second language should be 1000 million people.. but I gess the UN will not keep it.. all muslims they need to know arabic to read Koran.. Salam or Shalom
WORLD'S OLDEST LANGUAGE TRACED THROUGHOUT THE AGES :
Lashon Ha'Kodel
Adnatu Lisanu
Nostratic
Sumerian
Akkadian
Egyptian hieroglyphs
Proto Canaanite
Aramaic
Phonecian
Classical Hebrew
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Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew
Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language
Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth
Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization
Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew
Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian
Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew
Aramaic — Close to Hebrew
Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.
Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.
Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward
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Pure Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel Hebrew was the original language. After the fall of man the original language morphed into the natural language of Adnatu Lisanu, which was the only language of the natural earth. It morphed further into Nostratic which branched off into the other languages of the world (after the tower of Babel). The Mid-Eastern branch, Sumerian, was the first (archaelogically accepted) civilization of the world. They were replaced by the Akkadians which were Semetic and retained a very Proto-Hebraic language. The Egyptians and Proto Canaanites ruled for some time, but it was the latter that kept a purer Proto Hebraic language. Aramaic and Phoenician restored much of the former language of old. Those that had retained the purer Hebrew language were present all along but they were very small in number and were close to extinction. They later grew in might and became a major reining Kingdom during the days of King David and King Solomon. After several set backs their existence became endangered once again as both a nation and as an ancient language, while they were dispearsed throughout the Diaspora of the modern world. Then when Israel became a nation in 1948 they once again became a great nation and the Classical Hebrew tongue once again became a major spoken language. Classicasl Hebrew is not the pure Hebrew of the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel but it is the closest to it than any other language in all of the world and it contains a rich library of history, mystical power, and untold secrets of the ages. One day mankind will once again speak the pure, original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel.
Research courtesy of Dr. C. Ward
To Ibrahimic Descendent,
Yes, Arabic is a very beautiful and melodic language. It has much in common with Hebrew and Aramaic. I think the Sufi sect is the most interesting of all Arabic sects. They have much love, have a personal mystical approach in their belief system, and are very tolerant of others.
But getting back to the languages . . . Ishmael and Jacob were brothers. Don't you think that both brothers spoke the same language? Hebrew and Arabic didn't separate as languages until much later.
It is my belief that Hebrew is older. If you think Arabic is older then that is fine. Enjoy what you believe to be true. Just be kind to me and I will be kind to you and we will pray for each other. Which ever of us is doctrinally correct may be able to win the other one through love and prayer.
Silaat, Silam, and Shalom
Sorry to disagree with such thorough research there Curtis, but I'm not sure I could put much faith in the idea of an Edenic Language (Lashon Ha'Kodel). By it's religrous connections it demonstrates a bias which then renders much of the theory related to it as being questionable when looking at it from a purely objective perspective.
Though I cannot claim it to be the oldest language, your dismissal of the various Australian languages because there is no way to demonstrate they are the exact same as they might have been is somewhat harsh I feel. There is nothing to suggest they are changed especially in the remote communities where Eurpeans made little or no inroads.
If one where to use your arguement how can you claim that Modern hebrew resembles any "Edenic" language? Even if a language has changed how can it be claimed it is not the same language but evolved?
Sorry in a rush towards the end of this post but I'm sure you get the idea.
I look forward to your response :-)
Horusofoz ... The fact that there are so many different Aboriginal languages demonstrates that that their languages were constantly morphing and changing. I do not deny that these languages are quite ancient. However, I do question their stability as a fixed language.
The early Sumerians, Egyptians, Akkadians, Hittites, Elamites, etc. are all gone.Their language, their culture and their people have all disapeared. Most of them, no doubt, assimilated into the cultures which conquered them during various tribal wars. However, there is one of these ancient peoples that no culture or nation in the entire world have been able to force into assimilation—the Jews. They have been plummaged, robbed, raped, and killed and yet they have managed to maintian their solid identity. Babylon tried to assimilate them, Rome tried to conquer them, and Hitler tried to exterminate them. For two thousand years of Diaspora the Jews wandered homelessly throughout the nations of the earth. Other cultures would have disappeared in that long of a time span, but the Jews remained Jews and their identity has not wavered. While other ancient languages, such as Egyptian, Sumeriann etc went extinct, Hebrew managed to survive the ages. Even when it was not a spoken language for a few thousand years it miraculously revived in the twentieth century as a national language. While other languages were morphing, changing, and evolving, Hebrew remained much the same as its original form. It was religiously and studiously preserved.
I do not claim that Hebrew has remained unchanged at all throughout the ages. But it has changed much less than any of the other languages. It is the closest we can get to the ancient languages of the very earliest Mesopotanian civilizations. It is the closest we can get to the original language. I agree that it proposes difficulty for you to have faith in a proposition containing religious connotations, however this is what religion and spirituality is—faith. I was not there when Adam and God spoke, but by faith I believe they did. I cannot prove this to you but it has already been proven to me by my subjectiove experience—I have personally experienced the Creator. Therefore it has been proven to me that he is. However I cannot prove this to you because it is a subjective experience.
I know by fact that Hebrew is the only existing of the ancient Mediteranian languages. I know by faith in the word of God that it was the original language.
Horusofoz . . . you asked how I could claim Hebrew as the Edenic language if it has eveolved and changed. Please let me explain.
The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.
The language of the !Kung San Bushmen is very, very ancient. The language of the Aborigines is very, very ancient. Sanskrit is a very, very ancient language. Grrek is ancient. Latin is old. I do not wish to minimize the antiquity of these languages. However, I believe Hebrew is the closest form of the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel.
Ok I think I understand your logic and appreciate the work that has gone into illustrating your point of view within the structure of your belief system. However to demonstrate your point of view to those who do not share your beliefs it would require evidence or ideas that are not influenced by religion.
Please don't get me wrong as I admire the thought that has gone into structuring your theory. However, I respectfully disagree with it. I do not think I know the oldest living language but I beleive based on the information available to me that it is the languages of Australian Aboriginals that are the oldest. I say this taking into consideration the information given by yourself and others in this discussion. Though not an argument one would want to enter a true debate with, I can find no information in any of the posts above that says there is a language older than 10,000 years which is still spoken and is presented in a manner not influenced by a belief system.
Before the European invasion the Aboriginals lived in a near unchanged manner for 1000's of years (believed to be between 40,000 to 50,000) and it is more likely their language has remained as unchanged. Again no definite proof here but from a strictly fact based perspective it can be strongly argued that the languages Aboriginal Australians are the oldest living in the world. Theres's is the oldest living culture from a purely factual basis so again their's is most plausibly the oldest living language.
I belive SANSKIT is he oldest language.
Many people will say that Sankskrit was used for writing religious stuffs and etc.. but we all have to understand that the creators of the sanskrit are the Aryans who were intruders to the Indian soil and the illiterate Aryans learnt the arts and lit frm the Dravdians of the indus valley the oldest civilisation ,who spoke the native language Tamil.
Then after the Aryans fabricated Hinduism and and forced their created Sanskrit and stuff like the caste system in Hinduism, these are well known facts, the birth of sanskrit is only during the 1500bc after the arrival of the Aryans.
The birth of Tamil Language is unknown but one of the earliest text is even dating back 5000bc, which clearly speaks for itself,Tamil as the OLDEST LANGUAGE
Please understand that this debate is not about the oldest written language but the oldest language itself. I have pointed out that the Aboriginal Australian culture(s) have been archaeologically proven to date back at least 40,000 years. Their language being a product of that culture is far older than your date for the Tamil text of 5000bc (7000+/- years old).
briefly on the point of oldest written language, the earliest evidence I can find through a quick search of the net is from 3200bc. Examples from around this time Sumerian and Egyptian.
If the Tamil text does still exist and can be dated back to 5000bc than you certainly have a case. however if it does not and it is only later texts that refer to a text that is that old than one cannot really use that as an example. If that were proof then there are various texts from across the world that date themselves back millions of years. Evidently we cannot accept these as proof.
To answer the question literally the oldest languages would be Adnatu Lisanu and Nostratic. This are not the oldest SPOKEN languages but are the oldest of languages ever spoken. Parts of the langage have been reconstructed. It is from these that all languages evolved.
Horusofoz, I am curious...when you say Aborigines ids the oldest language, which of the existant 200 Aboriginal languages do you believe to be the oldest?
One can't say which of their languages is the oldest for that would be like claiming one tribe was the first. However if one wanted to be extremely technical one could say the people inhabiting the are with the most ancient remains that demonstrate a developed a culture (The 40,000 to 50,000 year old remains) could be the oldest.
I myself would not claim this but if one was going to be ruthlessly technical and specific. I prefer to think of them all as the oldest even tough I realise that cannot be technically true. One interesting idea though is how the majority of the tribes have Uluru as an important part of their belief structure.
Can you explain Adnatu and Nostratic. I haven't heard of them and before I search I'd like to get your take on them and how they are the oldest languages ever. Are they theoretical languages, languages bound within a religious context or something else?
The only one of the languages I listed above that are bound within a religious context would be the Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel.
The language of Adnatu Lisanu may or may not have religious connotations depending on how you approach it. Adnatu Lisanu is Akkadian for "World language". Secular linguists usually refer to this language as Proto-World Language.
The term Proto-World language refers to the hypothetical, most recent comman ancester of all the world's languages – an ancient proto-language from which are derived all modern languages, all language families, and all dead languages known from the past.
The Nostratic Language family includes all of the language families of Europe, Asia, Africa, and North America. The hypothetical ancestral language called Proto-Nostratic would necessarily have been spoken at an earlier time than the language families descended from it, which would place it toward the end of the Paleolithic period.
The Proto-World Language and Proto-Nostratic is being re-constructed by a few researchers.
I am presently trying to identify which of the 200 Aboriginal languages that linguists consider to be the earliest or most basic of the Aboriginal languages of Australia. Do you have any leads on this info?
Thanks.
I fortunately do not. Being a member of the Aboriginal community it would be extremely uncomfortable for me to feel one tribe was older than another. However if you do have any luck I guess I would appreciate knowing. I think for something as important as which of the tribes of the oldest cultures still living is the Most ancient, I feel it would be much better for that information to come from a source outside the communty. This should minimise any political feuding that would result therefrom.
Thank you for the info about the hypothetical language from before the "Diaspora" of mankind and his language :D I'll be looking into this for its a good idea I feel. The fact is we can't prove the oldest language ever spoken by man but using this hypothetical language as a base we can start theorising to advance our knowledge.
Looking forward to your findings :-)
Horusofoz . . . Are you saying that you are an Australian Aborigines? If so which tribe? Would you be interested in having my email address and exchanging ideas?
@Curtis
Yes I am an Aboriginal Australian. Please note "Aboriginal". The term Aborigine is not used so much these days. From my personal point of view it's like the term negro. For many this is considered a slight ethnic slur against black africans though it is still technically a neutral term. Understandably few people outside the Australian nation are aware of the difference and sadly many within are not aware of the difference. My indigenous heritage comes from the Narrindjerri though I have family who are Pitjantjara. These are both South Australian groups (Nunga).
I would be happy to exchange ideas. You can contact me at horus-removetext-ofoz-removetext-@gmail.-removetext-.com
Horusofoz, I wish to apologize if I have offended you. In our exchange of ideas concerning the world's oldest language I was unaware that you were in defense of your own native tongue. As I stated in my post above on the Mother Stream (the twenty third post above this one), "When I state a certain language can be traced through a chain of other languages in history I am stating the history of that ONE particular language. I am not tracing the other languages because they are irrelevant to my particular languages history." I was simply offering the results of my studies on the lineage of tracable languages. Since the Aboriginal languages are apparently untracable they may very well be direct descendents of the Adnatu Lisanu and Nostratic languages. Even in such a scenerio (in which the Aboriginal language was proven to be a direct descendent of the above), I would still deem Hebrew amongst the oldest, I would simply view the two very old languages as twin branches that split very early in their development.
I must thank you for directing me toward the Aboriginal langueages. Since we first communicated I have done much research in this area and have discovered some very surprizing and interesting material. I am anxious to learn more.
I will write you personally later today.
Many, many kind blessings.
cybermouse,
when talking to Gij,j=0 you say the following God is a creator and he doesn't annihilate things that are not evil. what? really? ok well you also say this It doesn't make sense for God to annihilate something good that he created...it doesn't make sense for god to annihilate something good? being lost is not annihilated in my opinion. but i think gij,j=0 has a good point if you look at what language they were speaking before the tower of babel then you will find your answer. also people talk about speaking in tounges. I read in a book by chris heimerdinger(grant it it is fiction, it has a good idea) kids go back in time and talk with everyone. they can speak to them and the people they talk to hear them in the language they understand. the first language must be something not grasped but an idea to be held. that we will never get back because good hid it from us. Who are you to question why god did this? i don't know i'venever met you.
Hi, first of all jumped a long way down (skipped comments ) so i could speak my mind...
First of all "The Disciple" says DNA is the first language which is wrong, hence it is not a language.. Difinition of language in this case is the one we speak/write... And yes, DNA is far more complex than any computer code.. Computers are simple in comparison to the human (or any animals) mind.. And Bill Gates is a newb (personal opinion)..
You can prove evolution, and there is no thing to complex for nature. Intelligent design leaves massive holes in it's explanation. If god created the humans and all the animals first, where does the dinosaurs come into the picture. If you are christian, then you simple cannot believe that dinosaurs have existed and that is a random act of stone hanging togehter.
Second of all, good freaking damit "The Best" you are an idiot. You clearly have no brain at all and seems to be the least intelligent person among these forum commenters. You beleive what someone told you to believe rather then believing what is real.
There is no god, yes i am an atheist, and no it is not the same as an EMO, since EMO often are religious, and only see the negatives of things. The most common question that i am aksed if i say i am an atheist is "well who created the big bang? it cannot just come from nowhere", it was just there, (a massive energy pool). Well i say right back at them "who created god? he cannot just come from nowhere".
Well, to actually write something about the main question, i will say, that the first written launguages is most likely the oldest one (sanskrift).
And i hate to see ignorant christians. Good christians are good because they have moral and ethics, but too many are ignorant and try to force their believes on others. And i hate the republicans in the USA, they have a narrow and conservativ way of seeing things, and are very christian. Fuck off with your nationalistic bullshit "The Best", USA ain't shit better than any other country.
Freedom to think.
SUCH A SHAME!!!! no one mentioned anything about the phoenicians and they were the ones who actually invented the alphabet and began constructing the language and yet people talk about sanskrit!! the closest languages to the phoenician language today is hebrew then arabic. phoenicians were known as world traders and sailors and this is in 5000BC even older, they sailed through many countries trading and invented alphabet to make it easier for communicating and this is how languages were spread and then changed into latin and others such as farsi,sanskrit,tammil...etc phoenicia was located in what is present day now Lebanon. this is a fact you can go search for it online!
Reality, you provided absolutely no proof for anything you said. You claim that evolution can be proved, but you did not specify which type of evolution. There are three different meanings of that word, and it is important to qualify which one you are talking about.
I would argue that there are, in fact, things too complex for nature to have evolved from spontaneous generation (not to mention the fact that spontaneous generation itself cannot be proved). When I say evolution, I'm really talking about naturalism, the belief that life spontaneously came from nothing and evolved into what it is today. I have studied naturalism in college, and it seems to me that both intelligent design AND naturalism are riddled with holes. Naturalism has holes because some species make large jumps in their "evolution" that cannot be explained my micro- nor macro-evolution. I do not completely agree with intelligent design, because that viewpoint does not acknowledge God as the intelligent designer.
Reality, your supposed refutal of the question "Who created the big bang?" does absolutely nothing for your argument. You simply switched the argument around, asking "Who created God?" This is not a valid way to refute an argument, and does not do a whole lot for your credibility. You might want to take a class in logic or debate before trying to argue for atheism. Generally when arguing for a position, the worst thing you can do is to simply claim your opponent is wrong, which is what you were doing. You need to give evidence for why you believe it. The absence of proven evidence for a belief is not the same as evidence against that belief. In other words, you cannot claim that God does not exist because there is no evidence of it. That logic does not work. If you cannot come up with valid evidence for why God doesn't exist, you cannot prove anything about whether God exists or not. This doesn't work because you are confusing epistemology with metaphysics.
billythekid, I am not questioning WHY God did anything. I am debating whether or not he did it at all. You seem to believe that he annihilated the first language when all the others were created; provide me evidence of this, and I might be more inclined to believe it. For me to question WHY God did something, I would have to first acknowledge that he did it at all, which I have not. I do not believe that he annihilated any language--therefore I am not questioning WHY he did it, because I don't believe that he did.
So much of this thread comes down to how we "know" things.
If our primary source of knowledge, overriding all else, is a book like the bible (or koran or whatever), then the argument is reduced to interpretation. Clearly this is the basis for accepting Hebrew as the first language. If you are committed to the bible, then you will deny any perceptions or conclusions of your mind that contradict it. But this bible (in its various forms) is an anthology of writings by people who believed that the sun revolved around the earth, that a talking snake ruined mankind, that ghosts or a ghost in the sky monitors every moment of our life, and that he (no, not she) demands adoration and submission, and punishes even children for non-compliance, in eternity.
On the other hand, we can acknowledge the value of our perceptions, when coupled with our conceptualization and logic (however flawed at times) for understanding reality. Do we ease pain through anesthesia, or deny it because it interferes with God's plans to torture us? Do we use science to increase our agricultural yields, or do we wait for bread and fish from Jesus ( or bread flying through the sky)? Which is more compassionate, a tradition that threatens to send all those in non-compliance to a horrible torture for all of eternity, or a practice that reduces suffering, extends life, and provides opportunities for full engagement of human beings?
Astrology or Astronomy? Alchemy or Chemistry? Mythology and Magic or Science and Engineering? Which have benefited man the most? The choice is clear to me.
Hey, very interesting. I thought the word for man in hebrew was "Adam" it came from the word "Adama" or "ground". I'm not seeing how that is like "Yahweh". Maybe there is another word that i am unfamiliar with for man. i dont know.
Where do you think Aramaic fits in because i speak Assyrian (Modern Aramaic) and some of the words are very similar to hebrew. Where on the timeline do you think it goes?
skywalker is ryt! indeed i beliv dat d hebrew language is d oldest im very sure. u seei, my self was an aheist b4 but after i studied & seek it i ther4 conclude dey r d oldest try reading d bible it is the only book of all books dat was vry precise in details stablishing thier geneology from adam to abraham which is d father of jewish people.
The oldest language is SILENCE....
Through meditation you can speak language of SILENCE :-)
tamil is worlds oldest language...if u believe in scientific proof....and if u belive in mythology and story then each religion will blabber some thing so lets be scientific as science is common to all religions...i believe in science and say tamil is oldest language of the world and its still living today
Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew
Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language
Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth
Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization
Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew
Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian
Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew
Aramaic — Close to Hebrew
Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.
Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.
Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward
The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.
An archaeological find:
"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton
Horusofoz . . . Are you still around? You wrote me awhile back and right after that my computer crashed. I was unable to return your email. I would like to resume communication with you concerning the very ancient language of the Australian Aborigines.
Thanks.
its a good discussion... Hebrew originated around 10 BCE while Tamil orginated around 3 BCE. Hebrew is spoken in 1 country and by over 6m people. Tamil has official status in 3 countries, spoken in over 8 countries & by over 12m people.
A broken jar with tamil script was found in Egypt couple of years ago and the age is dated around 1st century BC.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/21/stories/2007112158
if you dont get the link just bing tamil egypt and you should get "Tamil Brahmi script in Egypt"
So I believe it has to be tamil.
Sorry, Manju, but if, in your above figures, Hebrew originated 10 BCE and Tamil originated 3 BCE, then Hebrew, even by your estimations, is MUCH older than Tamil !!! Just look over your own figures!
In other words, 10 BCE is older than 3 BCE.
Phoenician - about 1000 BC
Aramaic - c. 950 BC
Hebrew - c. 950 BC: Gezer calendar
Phrygian - c. 800 BC
Moabite - c. 800 BC
Ammonite - c. 800 BC
Old South Arabian - c. 800 BC
Etruscan - c. 700 BC
Umbrian - c. 600 BC
North Picene - c. 600 BC
Lepontic - c. 600 BC
Tartessian - c. 600 BC
Lydian - c. 600 BC
Carian - c. 600 BC
Eteocypriot - c. 600 BC
Tamil - c. 600 BC: Tamil-Brahmi[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
Thracian c. 6th c.BC
Venetic c. 6th c.BC
Old Persian - 525 BC: Behistun inscription
Latin - c. 500 BC: Duenos Inscription[11]
South Picene - c. 500 BC
Messapian - c. 500 BC
Gaulish - c. 500 BC
Old North Arabian - c. 500 BC
Mixe-Zoque - c. 500 BC: Isthmian script (disputed)
Oscan - c. 400 BC
Iberian - c. 400 BC
Meroitic - c. 300 BC
Faliscan - c. 300 BC
Mayan languages - c. between 300 BC and 200 BC[12]
Volscian - c. 275 BC
Prakrit - c. 260 BC: Edicts of Ashoka[13][14]
Galatian - c. 200 BC
Celtiberian - c. 100 BC
Korean - adoption of Hanja c. 100 BC, evidence of proto-Idu c. 500 AD[15]
Tamil is alone alive in these languages
Phoenician - about 1000 BC
Aramaic - c. 950 BC
Hebrew - c. 950 BC: Gezer calendar
Phrygian - c. 800 BC
Moabite - c. 800 BC
Ammonite - c. 800 BC
Old South Arabian - c. 800 BC
Etruscan - c. 700 BC
Umbrian - c. 600 BC
North Picene - c. 600 BC
Lepontic - c. 600 BC
Tartessian - c. 600 BC
Lydian - c. 600 BC
Carian - c. 600 BC
Eteocypriot - c. 600 BC
Tamil - c. 600 BC: Tamil-Brahmi[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
Thracian c. 6th c.BC
Venetic c. 6th c.BC
Old Persian - 525 BC: Behistun inscription
Latin - c. 500 BC: Duenos Inscription[11]
South Picene - c. 500 BC
Messapian - c. 500 BC
Gaulish - c. 500 BC
Old North Arabian - c. 500 BC
Mixe-Zoque - c. 500 BC: Isthmian script (disputed)
Oscan - c. 400 BC
Iberian - c. 400 BC
Meroitic - c. 300 BC
Faliscan - c. 300 BC
Mayan languages - c. between 300 BC and 200 BC[12]
Volscian - c. 275 BC
Prakrit - c. 260 BC: Edicts of Ashoka[13][14]
Galatian - c. 200 BC
Celtiberian - c. 100 BC
Korean - adoption of Hanja c. 100 BC, evidence of proto-Idu c. 500 AD[15]
Tamil is alone alive in these languages
Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew
Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language
Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth
Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization
Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew
Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian
Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew
Aramaic — Close to Hebrew
Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.
Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.
(Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward)
The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.
An archaeological find:
"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton
The oldest language is Arabic, it exixts since the birth of the universe. The language of God.
"In addition, the basis of my argument relies more on the periodic table than anything, which was conceived by God and simply discovered by man."
God doesn't exist. It's a whole bunch unscientific Jewish, HIndu, Muslim, Christian and pre-Hindu mumbo-jumbo.
Akkadian is an attested old language predating Hebrew by thousands of years. It has many linguistic features like case-system which have died out in Hebrew.
All of you are becoming Nazi by the day showing exceptional pride in your language when they have originated from even more ancient languages that are extinct. See, the Nazi's believed that the older the language, the purer the blood and the prouder you should be. With the way everyone is fighting and bringing myths and superstition like religion, it is laughable.
Scientists have discovered an allele of gene FOXP2 in Neanderthals which is responsible for human speech. But of course, you probably don't believe in Neanderthals. All linguists are of the opinion that primitive languages are dead due to destructive evolution and the languages we know today are a far cry from being primitive. Hominids had a hypoglossal canal more than 400,000 years ago the size of modern humans. Scientists agree that the primitive language (ie, proto-language) evolved during the great ape language era. Fully modern humans evolved some 50,000 years ago. Archaic Biblical Hebrew or Sanskrit or Tamil definitely didn't exist then. If they did, evolution would have consequently destroyed them and today there would be different languages in the world.
Helium was derived from the Greek word Helios meaning sun in ancient Greek, later used to signify the Sun God. It was derived from Proto-Indo-European language and Nitrogen from "Saltpetre forming". These are found the universe and scientists believe that life could have easily originated from space in the form of a comet collision. From single-celled organism, we evolved into humans over millions of years. And these are facts with experiments conducted. Every year scientists find more evidence to support human evolution. If you are going to use religion to argue such sciences, then you must also believe that some other "religion" may have the ultimate answer. It could be Hinduism, since the Vedas have made many so-called prophecies and contain 'coincidences' like other texts. It claims to have created Sanskrit as a divine language eons ago so maybe Sanskrit is the oldest language to use your twisted logic. Few religions don't reserve bragging rights for languages. Like the Koran seems to be completley uninterested in the concept of evolution of human languages by "cleverly" taking a nuetral stance. The only reference to language is where "God" says that he created multiple languages for humankind to know each other and in these languages are signs for those that are well-learned. Arabic is not considered a divine language but it says that for each era, a language was chosen. There were languages chosen before Hebrew, then Hebrew was itself chosen for Moses and Jesus and then Arabic was chosen as the final language. But it doesn't refer to Arabic as the oldest and in that sense purest language. However, it loses points for going against human evolution. Tsk tsk tsk...
xxx, in one of your earlier comments you claimed that God doesn't exist, yet you provided no proof, instead saying that it was all religious mumbo-jumbo. That is possibly one of the worst arguments I have ever heard. Is that really your profound reasoning and critical analysis on the matter?
"All linguists are of the opinion that primitive languages are dead due to destructive evolution and the languages we know today are a far cry from being primitive."
It sounds to me like you're the one making assumptions. Perhaps you wouldn't consider me a linguist; however, I would, and I certainly don't believe as you say I do. I also seriously doubt your claim that all linguists believe that primitive languages are dead. Generalized statements are another quick way to make your argument sound like rubbish.
"But of course, you probably don't believe in Neanderthals."
Once again, this is an assumption. What ever gave you this idea?
"Presuming you're all religious, you probably don't believe in any scientific theories of evolution. If you have ever heard of destructive evolution, then you should know that languages become extinct and their foundations change. None of you have an in-depth knowledge of languages. You probably can't even read the ancient languages let alone figure out the differences. You probably read Wikipedia and think you've known enough to make ridiculous statements that your language is the oldest, whether Hebrew, Sanskrit or Tamil."
I am shocked that you consider such a comment a valid way to refute an opposing point of view. If you had taken any class in debate or argument, you will find that your comment is brimming with ego-centric thinking, one of the major fallacies common in bad arguments. Insulting the opposing point of view by suggesting that "we know nothing" doesn't lend anything whatsoever to your credibility. Try attending college before you go insulting people who have by suggesting they get their information from Wikipedia. To me, your argument, if you can call it that, sounds like it came from Wikipedia, since you provided absolutely no solid proof for any of your statements.
Why does it matter how a comment is written? It's the information which is the intersenting thing, isn't it? And I have to angree with xxx. Great points!
You couldn't possibly deny that we can't for certain know what language was the first. We can't really assume either. You see, what IS language? No language is complete so really monkies has a language. This debate will lead nowhere because there is no answere that we know of. But I do think it's a very interesting debate because it led to the question about gods existens.
And I'm sorry if my english isn't good enough for you, I'm from a none-english country and I haven't attended college yet.
I belive that Hebrew is the original language of the world, before the story of the "Tower of Babel", because before that everyone spoke the same language
you have got the wrong symbols for nitrogen which is N not H the H on th periodic table is for hydrogen and is the first symbol on the table. here is a link to a picture of the periodic table so you can see for your self :)
Sam, I was not commenting on HOW the comment was written. I was commenting on the content itself, which was not valid as a logical argument. I then proceeded to clarify which logical fallacies it contains.
Marshall, I did not state that H is the symbol for Nitrogen. You need to read more carefully. I said that when the Hebrew or Arabic letter "H" is MAPPED TO the periodic table, the element in the seventh slot (which is the same slot that H is in the Hebrew alphabet) is Nitrogen. I never claimed that the letter "H" (which, by the way, is part of the Latin/English alphabet) is the symbol for Nitrogen. Again, read more carefully.
Oh well, it doesn't matter. My point was that you have to define WHAT language is, otherwise there is no answere.
Have a nice day!//Sam
sorry , cybermouse
first i experss my thanks
from my point of view from bible is that hebrew is not the oldest bcos there are much older languges.
i think sumerians are the most oldest civililzation with written law.
now some say tamil is the oldest becos of its nature and oldest language which has grammer . but i couldnt prove
hebrew offshooted from armaic , sanskrit is a creation of the intruders aryans who seeked shetker during 1500bc
Tamil is the language of the first civilisation , after the african diaspora settled in India , then cam the language , it is archeologically, linguistically and historically proven that Old Tamil is the oldest language
the oldest language in the world is mathematics ... and yes mathematics is a language ....... its the language of the universe and even aliens living millions of light years away would understand mathematics .........i see 90% of people here trying to put forward the christian frame of mind ... this is possibly due to the white supremist tendency that white people still have .... Christianity is still considered the religion of white people ..... and white people will do anything to propagate no matter what the cause .... considering adam and eve as the first human being is a matter of complete ignorance..... and people who believe in something as stupid as adam and eve aslo believe that hebrew is the oldest language ......
"and white people will do anything to propagate no matter what the cause .... "
White people? So you think ALL white people are religious?? Yeah, and we are the ones who are ignorant. Don't you dare say that ALL the millions of white people have the same belief!
This has been a most interesting and enlightening read for me.I was interested in finding out something about the 'first language' and now I have more questions than answers but I am certainly much better informed than I was a couple of hours ago. Thank you all.
In terms of authentically preserved, I would have to say that Arabic is the best guess. The modern (and classic) understanding of Hebrew, for example, came from the resurgence of Rabbinical scholars in Andalusia (southern Spain) after studying Arabic grammar. Arabic is also Semitic, like Hebrew and Aramaic. Also, considering languages change over time due to different reasons, we can never be certain which living language is intact. Saying that, the main reason languages change is from outside influence. For example, when the Arabs conquered Persia, Farsi became intertwined with Arabic words. The same can be said about Spanish when they conquered Spain. However, the original Arabic language (al-FusHaa) is still studied and spoken by students and scholars (and religious people in mosques and schools) all around the world. Since the Arabian peninsula was *never* conquered by an outside force (Alexander just passed it by, Cyrus didn't physically enter it as he was simply paid tribute, etc.) and the tribal people of Arabia never gained unity until the Prophet Muhammad united them upon one religion... and that religion suggests the utmost importance of preserving the Arabic language for the sake of understanding holy scriptures, one could only deduce that of the Semitic languages, Arabic is the most well-preserved. Not to mention, if you want to throw Bible references in there, Arabs were mentioned in the Bible - and Arabs never spoke anything other than Arabic. That, on top of the fact that one could conclude that Hebrew, Aramaic and even Sumerian are all branches of Arabic. Arabic has a complete root system with rules of "I'rab" (i.e. Arabization) that no other language can boast, i.e. the changing of ending vowels that alters the grammatical sense of a word. There is much that can be said about this. I suggest it be looked up :)
AS FOR THIS HUB, IT IS MOST INTERESTING (BESIDES THE ANGER AND INSULTS BETWEEN THE ATHIEST AND THE BELEIVERS). AS FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE LANGUAGES, FIRST WE MUST SEARCH THEIR PLACE OF FORMATION. ADAM AND EVE DID HAVE A SPOKEN TOUNG IN WHICH IS OR HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN OR ALTERED IN ITS ORIGIN. THIS TOUNG WAS THE TRUE ANGELIC TOUNG TO BEGIN WITH (ONE OF MANY). AT THE TOWER OF BABEL, THESE HUMANS WHERE CONSTRUCTING SOMETHING THAT GOD DID NOT WANT THEM TO MAKE. GEN.CHAP.11 VER.4 SAYS THAT THESE HUMANS EVEN KNEW BEFORE HAND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM IF THEY CONTINUED IN THEIR TASK. THEY SAID"LET US MAKE A NAME FOR OURSELVES INCASE WE WERE SCATTERED". STRANGE TO THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE KNEW OR HAD THE ABILITY TO FOERSEE THE PLANS OF GOD? FOR THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD DID TO THEM. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD CAME DOWN IN PLURAL. GEN. CHAP.11 VER.7 "LET US GO DOWN...." THE LANGUAGES THAT WERE GIVEN WERE ALL ANGELIC LANGUAGES FOR THESE LANGUAGES WERE NOT OF THE MAKING OF MAN. WITH THIS IN MIND I MUST BELIEVE THAT NOT ONLY THE LANGUAGES WERE GIVEN, BUT ALSO THE DIFERENT RACES. IN THE BEGINNING OF ADAM AND EVE THERE WEREN'T OTHER RACES. SO WHERE DID SO MANY RACES COME FROM? GOD SCATTERED THEM ACROSS THE WORLD TOGETHER WITH NEW TOUNGS AND NEW PHYSICAL FORMS (WHITE,BLACK,ORIENTAL,HISPANIC,INDIAN YOU NAME IT). I BELIEVE THAT THE ANGELIC HOSTS ARE EVEN GIVEN CLASSIFICATIONS NOT ONLY IN RANKS BUT LANGUAGES AND RACES. IF NOT, THEN WHAT IS THE REASON FOR PRAYING IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES IF THE PRAYER WOULD NOT BE UNDERSTOOD BY GOD OR THE ANGELS. THE TRUE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE IS PROBABLY NOT KNOWN. EXAMPLE: ANCIENT EGYPTIAN. AS FAR AS I KNOW WE ONLY HAVE THE WRITTEN FORM OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN AND UNDERSTAND IT'S MEANING BECAUSE OF THE ROSETA STONE BUT THE WAY THAT IT IS PRONOUNSED IS LOST BECAUSE THEIR IS LITTLE OR NO ONE LEFT WITH THIS LOST KNOWLEDGE AND WE ARE TALKING OF A CIVILIZATION THAT IS NOT THE FIRST TO APPEAR ON EARTH. IF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WOULD BE FOUND IN WRITING, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S MEANING BY SOME FORM BUT MAYBE NOT IT'S TRUE WAY OF PRONUNCIATION. ABRAHAM (ABRAM BEFORE GOD CHANGED HIS NAME) WAS LIVING WITH HIS FATHER FIRST IN CHALDEAN LANDS PROBABLY HIS BIRTH PLACE SO ABRAM WAS CHALDEAN. GOD MADE A PACT WITH ABRAM THAT HIS SEED WOULD BE THE ELECTED FOR THE PLANS OF GOD AND FROM THERE ON CAME THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. BUT ABRAM WAS ORIGINALY CHALDEAN. THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS NOT ME. NOW ABRAM WAS A DIRECT DESENDENT OF SEM (NOAHS SON). SINCE IN THE PRESENT CHALDEAN AND HEBREW LANGUAGE HAVES SOME SIMILARITIES, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY "WHAT CAME FIRST? THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG?" WELL WHAT EVER IT IT, TO GOD BE THE GLORY AND PRAISED BE HIS NAME IN THE QUEST FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE GOD-MADE LANGUAGE.
Om Shiva;-)
Hi Cybermouse....
here is something for you...
"unearthing a city called Dwarka in India to prove that the oldest language is Sanskrit? I shall have to try that sometime. I wonder why no one else has done it yet, if it's such good evidence?"
For your answer with video clippages and documents please visit each link.....
but I do agree the dates like beyond 10,000 years are still debatable at the same time we should update our history knowledge alongwith advancing technologies to do research on them.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2gQu3rWwxY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4
http://satyabhashnam.blogspot.com/2009/01/dwarka-u
http://unmyst3.blogspot.com/2008/10/ancient-city-o
http://deshgujarat.com/2007/09/04/lord-krishnas-dw
religion and sensible things doesn't go well together.
Lashon Ha'Kodel — The Holy Tongue, Edenic, Proto Hebrew
Adnatu Lisanu — World Language, Proto World Language
Nostratic — The proto language to all the other language families of the earth
Sumerian — The language of the earliest civilization
Akkadian — Proto Hebrew, Semetic, close to both Sumerian and Hebrew
Egyptian hieroglyphs — Borrowed from Sumerian and Akkadian
Proto Canaanite — Semetic, Proto classical Hebrew
Aramaic — Close to Hebrew
Phoenician — Contributed to Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc.
Classical Hebrew — The only language on earth that is closest to the original Lashon Ha'Kodel (edenic) language, which is the original pure mother tongue.
(Research notes courtesy of Dr. C Ward)
The original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel was the pure original tongue. After the fall of man the language began to change (A good example is to observe how much English has changed from Shakespear untill today). The Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel had now slightly changed to Adnatu Lashanu (Akkadian for the "World Language"). From this sprang all of the Mediteranian languages—Sumerian, Egyptian, Akkadian, Old Hebrew, ect. When the Old Hebrew speaking tribes conquered Canaan land they "reabsorbed" some of the original elements of the original language that they had lost (These elements were reabsorbed from the languages of Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Phoenician, ect.). When Moses (Moshe) and the prophets spoke with God they reabsorbed from his language the lost elements of the original Edenic Ha'Kodel tongue. Moses and the prophets, obviously, would pass these restored elements back into their tribes language as they were teaching and preaching to them. The result is Classical Hebrew which is the purist and closest form of language to the original Edenic Lashon Ha'Kodel tongue.
An archaeological find:
"These tablets date back to the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, almost 4,500 years ago. They are written in Sumerian wedge-shaped cuneiform script which is the world's oldest known written language. Deciphering these tablets, Professor Pettinato, also of the University of Rome, found the language used to be what he called Old Canaanite' even though the script was cuneiform Sumerian. This very ancient language is closer in vocabulary and grammar to biblical Hebrew than any other Canaanite dialect', including Ugaritic; this therefore gives evidence as to the age of the Hebrew language."- John Fulton
This hub has been in existence for two years. That is extremely interesting, to say the least. Cybermouse, you rock! in that you found a topic so interesting that after two years, no one can come to any discernable conclusion.
I read each and every post hoping that someone would frame my opinion in some sort of way, and in bits and pieces, many of you have.
"To know a thing's name is to know it's power...To speak that name is to release that power." -Ancient Egyptian
First, let me start by saying that while questioned in his hypothetical conclusion regarding the origin of the Edenic language, no one really responded to Curtis. While I plan to do further research which obviously cannot be completed on line, I am so very interested in learning about the Mother Languages he refered to. While reading I couldn't help but notice that the names of the languages sound Sumerian in origin, but that is not a point of argument. I would love to learn how you came to know these things, as I am one of the unwashed masses, self taught (like John H. Clarke) 'by libraries and well chosen second hand book stores'. Still, I have found no evidence by the atheist or the monotheist (or polytheist) which proports a valid conclusion which would make something stir in my soul and say, "YES! That's it!"
I was attracted to this hub based on a two day deliberation in my mind over the original language. Not the original WRITTEN language, nor the OLDEST SURVIVING language. I just was curious as to which was the oldest created language. While the Austrailian caused me to be curious, never was spoken about any particular language, so his argument could not be validated no matter how old they are. And while Cybermouse began talking about language, he has digressed into defending his religion and his God, which, by the very definition of the Power of the Christian God, needs no human defense (omnipotent?). But He did say one important (two, but more on that later) thing(s) I would like to mention here. He is both the creator of the darkness and the light, he created both good and evil, only he has done these things. (He created everything right?) It says those very words in the bible you hold so dearly. It also says that he "confounded/confused" the languages, it did not say that he replaced them nor annihilated them... Therefore, since everyone can point out how the languages are similar in origin and region (going back to the post above refering to unity), wouldn't the not so obvious theory be that maybe each of us in our respective ancestry and religious upbringing are still essentially speaking parts the same language, but what is meant by our conveyed words are not clearly understood by meaning for some and by form for others? I mean, if we all understood each other, how then could we debate-even in the same language? And even before the evolution of language as we know it, words we use today in American English (the mutt language it is) still resonate in the language of old. If we were not confused, there would be no conflict, even in speech. We would be of one mind, one thought, one goal. And in this "confusion" we have created variable sounds. For example: amma/mama; hola/aloha/hello; but they all convey a similar thought. (like a game of boggle)
The study of language is to study a people and its origins, its religions, its progression, etc. The original language had to die out like the tribes of old...but speaking of which, there are still regions in Africa which lie untouched by modern man. No one knows the origin of the KhoiKhoi; where DID the Aboriginal Man derive? Africa? And if so, what is the oldest AFRICAN language? Therein must lie the clue. For no one desputed the argument that we all derived from there.
While Colonization of new lands allowed even the creation of a whole new people (like the Cre`ole blood in me) the argument of a surviving language is dead to me, for I was "raised up" in the colony of my oppressors and speak with a tongue that is unknown of my ancestors and has been diverted from the original language of my land's founding fathers. (For even the word Cre`ole is an English derivation of French, Spanish, and Portugese...and can even be found amongst the Brits (see "Kriol"~Austrailian).
Ya'll, please stick to the topic at hand and enlighten one as me, kept in the dark by name calling and petty squabbling. Aren't we all trying to arrive at that most perfect language: Truth? (Shout out to "THE BEST")
Moreover, Curtis did paint a picture regarding the divergent rivers. We all (wait...Nazi? Really!) are just on the path of the stream flowing through our yard. But I was the wandering child, wandering into everyone else's yard to see their stream and wondering where the water flowed from in the first place, too. Was it a waterfall from the mist of the rainforest? Was there a glacier?
Back to the other important thing that the Biblical God said: "Let there be light." There was darkness and chaos and God created Truth and order. Somewhere along the way, man strayed from the order of Truth and was confounded because he decided to do his own thing. Now everyone is confused and babbling about looking for their Amma/Mama, their origin of expressed knowledge.
If you believe in the biblical story in any way, you must also believe in Adam and Eve (or Adama/Eva, whatever). You must believe that all life started with them and that they had a way of communicating, not just with one another, but also with YHWH, Elohim, angels and animals. You must also believe in Giants, Holy Spirits, Great Serpents and that Death rides on a horse. If you studied that book, you will understand what was meant when Caine went off East to the land of Nod where there were people who were skilled at making tools and weapons, away from his parents (migration). You must believe that his transgressions could be understood by others and that he feared death because of the act and conversed with God about it. If you truly believe that book, you will have to believe that the races of men were also established after the deluge by the splitting up of Noah's children...but that they all spoke one language...at one time...but their descendents are now confused as to what that language is now.
If you don't believe in the Christian faith, but you still have a faith, it is possible that your God or Gods (Demi-Gods) came to man and bestowed upon him a language that S/He/they also spoke to convey a message to the people to spread the faith of that language. And that more than likely, that language has evolved to txtg. (Shout out to filipino de zionista!)
And if you have no faith, I urge you to look at the world around you, from whom you have developed both your theories and language and discern how Star Dust (the thought of being star dust, admittedly makes me smile) has vibrated it's way from "BANG!!" to "what's hap'nin, ya'll?"
[And also, if man descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Please get back to me on that one, it's driving me crazy!]
And just to touch on the Religion/Science thing, If you believe in God, then you must believe that God is the Ultimate Scientist, for no one can deny our chemical composition even when our faith is denied. If you believe in Science, then you must believe that Science is God, for nothing can exist outside of it. It simply is.
I would also like to say that Hebrew has a way of being coded toward multiple meanings, just like slang and ancient Egyptian. Everything about that language has a correlation with something else in the world and everything in the world has a correlation to it, from Wicca to Wonder. But then the underlying foundation of Hebrew is its shape and its number system. I don't know what its mother is, but its father is definitely math. Math, by the way, although universal, is a vehichle to convey thought, but it is not, in my opinion, the ultimate mother language. For it speaks of structure and form, quantity and mass, but it says nothing for emotion and soul...it takes the words to describe the numbers to do that. And although I am very pr
Akshat Pandey says:
2 years ago
Der friend ,
according to me and the historical proofs , we all can say that SANSKRIT is the oldest language and the mother language for all the languages which we are speaking now a days.
the scripts were written in sanskrit thousands of years before the birth of writer of BIBLE.
if u have any comment feel free to communicate at
akspandey@gmail.com