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There Was No Pie on Thanksgiving

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By Patty Inglish, MS


Not the Meal You Expected

On November 13, 2008 faculty and staff of The Ohio State University met with Native American students and all other interested students to discuss the real events on the first European (English) settler's Thanksgiving in the New World. Some of the facts in the case were stunning.

There was no pie at the first Thanksgiving held by the British settlers with some Native Americans in attendance. The Caucasians did not call themselves pilgrims, but saints (meaning individual "believers"). Historians of the future decided that these people were pilgrims and so they have been called.

As a response to the information brought out and revealed in this meeting, historical documents, and written and oral histories among Native Americans in the Northeast and in Ohio, our local Native American Nations and people sympathetic to learning and respecting the truth in this matter (fellow travelers of a sort) are instituting an alternative celebration to Thanksgiving on the OSU Campus and in the surrounding community. We already have Native American Day, but wish to go a few steps further. At OSU on November 20, an alternative meal from the original menu featured below will be served by the OSU Multicultural Center. Some other surprises follow here -

Vlad the Impaler at Plymouth Colony

In mid-October of 1621, one saint from the Mayflower at Plymouth wrote just one paragraph about the first "Thanksgiving", which was not even called by that name. It was just a general feast and there was no prayer from the white men and women at all. The saints did not wear black, but bright colors. They brewed beer and drank heavily. There was a lot of drinking - by the English, to the disgust of their Governor. Some of the men waved rifles around in their drinking, and the Native Americans must have wondered what sickness this was.

The “Indians” were not invited, but their leader Massasoit was, so he invited 90 more in the tradition of sharing. Massasoit himself also brought all the wild fowl and 5 deer for the feast for 150 people. He'd already been giving the saints food all along. The English farm crop failed that first summer and fall, but the Native Americans grew and harvested twenty acres of corn and gave much to the saints initially, but continued to help them with food and agricultural instruction.

Soon after the feat, Myles Standish decided to behead a Chief (of people that had helped the whites survive) and instigated rivalry between two Natives to start a feud and gain "better intelligence" from their arguments [Did dysfunction begin with the British? I can ask that, I'm 3/8 UK heritage.]. Then a wall nearly 12 feet high was built around the English settlement to keep the natives out. Standish took the guise of a fur trader and then beheaded the native Wituwamat, putting the head on a wooden spike at Plymouth as a symbol of power, like Vlad the Impaler. Standish earned the English the name of Wotowquenange, meaning cutthroat stabbers.

However, we can make our own Thanksgiving traditions and leave behind these monstrosities, having learned from them.

Charlie Brown Thanksgiving - Toast & Popcorn


The Menu

Remember A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving? When Snoopy and some of the kids were left behind on Thanksgiving Day, they prepared buttered toast and popcorn for their meal, because that is all there was. They also had some whipped topping in dessert dishes. The real first Thanksgiving for the saints/pilgrims and Native Americans was similar to Charlie Brown's.

Few food items were available in the frigid lands of what is now New England in the early 1600s. This is one of the causes of the large number of deaths among the settlers during the first winter. There were no fresh fruits, although dried cranberries may have been present.

The Indigenous Peoples may have had some ground acorn flour with them, but the saints from the Mayflower ship likely had no flour with them with which to make pies.

The First Thanksgiving Menu

  • Venison - deer meat, likely roasted over the open fires or cooked in a stew.
  • Wild Fowl - duck, geese, pheasant, possibly wild turkey
  • Corn Porridge
  • Fried Pumpkin Mush - mixed with acorn flour and fried in deer or duck fat; served with honey, perhaps dried cranberries 
  • Cooked Squash - maybe with honey.

While some Native Americans may have helped some of the first British settlers through the first winter, some settlers robbed the sacred gravesites and even burglarized Native American dwellings.

Native Americans had been holding Harvest Fesitivals in the autumn of each year for at least 12,000 years in September, October, and November [the link describes them in detail] and this was long before the British came to the New World and had a Thanksgiving Day. In fact, Harvest Festivals were a millennia-old "Old World" tradition in many cultures of the Far East and Middle East, as well as Africa and India, among other regions. They'd been going on for 1000s of years; today in the 21st century, some American communities have reverted to a Harvest Festival in place of, or in addition to, Halloween and Thanksgiving.

Recipe: Venisen Stew

This recipe is about as close to the original recipe in what is now New England as one can approach. The duck fat can be found in gourmet markets or you might ask your butcher.

SIMPLE INGREDIENTS

  • 1 large wild onion, a bunch of small wild onions, or 1 good sized leek, sliced medium
  • 1 onion, chopped coarse
  • 2 carrots or 1 sweet potato or 1 northern potato, sliced
  • 1 handful of wild herbs
  • 1 handful of dried cranberries
  • 1 pound of venisen meat, chunked or cubed
  • 1/4 cup oil or duck fat

INSTRUCTIONS

  • Place venison in large pottery or ceramic bowl (metal will react and cause an off flavor)
  • Mix vegetables, cranberries, and herbs together in another bowl and pour this mixture over the meat for a marinade.
  • Let sit, covered, overnight or at least for 12 hours in your refrigerator.
  • Remove meat and vegetables & cranberries onto separately plates and save the marinade.
  • Heat half of the fat in a skillet and brown venison for 3-4 minutes.
  • Heat remaining fat in another pan and fry vegetables & cranberries lightly for 2-3 minutes.
  • Add fried meat into the other ingredients and stir the marinade back in and bring to the boil.
  • Reduce heat to low and simmer, covered, for 2 hours.


Corn Porridge

You will need 4 cups of water and 2.5 cups of corn meal to serve 6 people.

INSTRUCTIONS

  • Bring 3 cups of water to the boil in a large soup pot.
  • In a bowl, combine 1 1/2 cups of cornmeal with 1 cup of water and mix well.
  • Reduce the heat under the soup pot to medium-low and add the cornmeal/water to the boiling water, stirring with a wooden spoon constantly for 5 minutes, slowly adding 1 more cup of cornmeal.
  • When the porridge is thick, it is ready to serve in bowls. Or you can cook it until it is very thick, shape it into a ball, slice it and serve with butter or jam.

 

Fried Pumpkin Mush

You will need a medium sized fresh pumpkin or squash, several cups of water, some flour or cornmeal, and some oil.

INSTRUCTIONS

  • Cut off the pumpkin stem end and remove the seeds and save them to roast.
  • Scoop out the flesh.
  • Place flesh in a large pot of boiling water and then reduce heat to a simmer and cook until tender (8-10 minutes).
  • Drain the water and stir and mash the flesh.
  • Add enough flour or cornmeal to make a mixture that holds together. You may want to add some salt and pepper, to taste.
  • Heat some oil in a skillet and fry the pumpkin mixture by large spoonfuls or scoops in the way that you would a potato pancake, until golden brown on the bottom. Flip and repeat.
  • Serve with honey, butter, syrup, or even salsa.


Irving Berlin - Let's have another cup of Coffee, let's have another piece of Pie. Glenn Miller Orchestra.

Let's Have Some Pie

I wish you all a happy celebration of your own Thanksgiving or harvest time traditions. Often, our own traditions are happier when we know the truth and create something good from it.

My tradition is to make as many different kinds of pie as I can. I have more pies than the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company had shrimp dishes -

Cranberry pie, sweet potato pie, pear pie, squash pie, vegetable pie, quiche, turkey pot pie, shepherd's pie, mince meat pie, butter pie, apple-walnut pie, and many others. Most of them are around Hub Pages somewhere.

The YouTube presentation below begins with a short instrumental and then adds the swing lyrics from around the Depression Era. Way before my time, but I like it.

How Thanksgiving has Celebrated for 1000s of Years

Here is some useful and fun history about how Indigenous Peoples in North and South America, Asia, and some other parts of the world have celebrated the concept of thankfulness for millennia. 

Native American Harvest Feasts Before Thanksgiving

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Pie on Thanksgiving in the News

  • The need is up at charitable missions on Thanksgiving Day 2009WLBT 3 Jackson9 hours ago

    JACKSON, MS (WLBT) - Thanksgiving lunch never disappoints at the Gateway Rescue Mission on Gallatin Street in Jackson. The guests poured in at a steady pace.

  • Americans Turn Out For Thanksgiving Day ParadesCBS4 Miami9 hours ago

    Giant balloons, floats, marching bands and clowns with confetti brought smiles to thousands of revelers eager to catch a glimpse of a parade as steeped in Thanksgiving Day tradition as turkey and pumpkin pie. Thousands lined the streets of Manhattan on Thursday for the 83rd annual Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, and crowds gathered nationwide for parades in cities such as Detroit and Philadelphia.

  • A Tradition That Cherishes Poker, Not Pumpkin PieNew York Times8 hours ago

    At Mohegan Sun, Thanksgiving was ushered in by thousands of New Yorkers with Chinese roots who have made a casino visit an annual holiday activity.

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jimmythejock profile image

jimmythejock  says:
13 months ago

Thanks Patty, you always give great answers when I make a request and I get a bonus with this one lol recipe's too I love food.....jimmy

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS  says:
13 months ago

Man, you are one fast Scotsman to comment so quickly. If I can't live in a bookstore or library, I'll take the back of a restaurant! :)

B.T. Evilpants profile image

B.T. Evilpants  says:
13 months ago

Pie is something for which I always give thanks! I never met a pie I didn't like (except maybe for humble pie)!

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS  says:
13 months ago

Ah, the Great Evilpants is back -- Time for a Pie Nation Takeover.

And some pies have gravy too - double bonus.

Netters profile image

Netters  says:
13 months ago

This is a great story. And you included recipes! You are awesome. Thanks.

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS  says:
13 months ago

The recipes turn out pretty good, but they may need some seasonings that we are more accustomed to using. I hope you try one or two of them.

Tony  says:
13 months ago

Very nice page. It's amazing how history gets twisted over the years to suit the purposes of what you want people to believe.

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS  says:
13 months ago

That is surely correct, Tony. I now wonder where writers of history got the notions of black clothing, "pilgrims", and a completely happy feast. We need a real WayBack Machine, similar to that in the Clarke/Sterling story "Light of Other Days"!

Thanks for visiting.

lakeerieartists profile image

lakeerieartists  says:
11 months ago

This is an incredible hub. I love it. Learned a lot and had fun too!

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS  says:
11 months ago

Hi, lakeeirieartists! - This one enjoyable to do, with some information that a lot of Americans are never told. I still love pie best, anytime -- Thanks for reading!

couch guy  says:
9 months ago

One thing you may not have thought to talk about was that the indians probably nixtamalized their corn, a practice that European settlers didn't adopt, but was in use by indian populations who subsisted on corn.

I imagine an indian corn mush to maybe have been something more similar to a mexican pozole because that is the kind of corn that the indians might have ended up with.

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Patty Inglish, MS  says:
9 months ago

Thanks for the addition, couch guy!

Spiritwind profile image

Spiritwind  says:
2 days ago

Thanks Patty for sharing your knowledge with us. My fathers family was from the boarders of Canada and Minnesota. Love the recipes.

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