Water as Fuel? Is Increased MPG Possible Using Water?
69Water Increases Efficiency Proven Since WW2
A few years ago I was reading information about WW2 fighter planes. Most of what was covered was miles per hour, ceiling limitations (how high they could fly), climb rates and other items that pertained to horsepower. The main topic of the information was about how the use water injection gave the planes a big boost in horsepower.
Water injection allowed the timing to be advanced without detonation, also known as pinging. Detonation can destroy an engine but by adding water injection the flame propagation was slowed, the same as is the case with raising octane ratings, and the fuel was burned more completely giving a boost in power through more efficient use of the same amount of fuel. Having been involved with driving race cars professionally and maintaining them for eleven others through my businesses, I had known about the benefits of water injection for a long time and had used a personally modified version on the cars for drag racing and road racing very successfully. In drag racing the objective is maximum horsepower for a reasonably short duration, but in road racing it’s necessary to have maximum horsepower and increased fuel economy, especially for endurance type racing that includes multi-hour races of eight, ten, twelve or more hours. The less pit stops, the further you can go in a given period of time.The article(s) I was reading were multiple pages long and covered the power increases and the advantages of those increases in great detail, including less maintenance costs and longer intervals between spark plug changes. At that time, and not until just recently, very few people were overly interested in fuel economy. One piece I was reading was three pages long and only in the last sentence of the last paragraph was anything mentioned about fuel economy. It said, “and the cruising range was increased by about 30%.” Cruising range, known to most of us as miles per gallon, has taken on a new and more important role since the price of gas has sky rocketed in the last couple of years. Many people believed it would go back down, but that has proven to be a fallacy and fuel prices will continue to rise if all indicators are correct.I resurrected my early prototype in the latter part of the last century, made some changes to the basic design to make it more user friendly, workable with later automotive computers and added it to our vehicles. Water injection is too complicated and expensive to warrant installation but water vapor injection, when properly installed, can and does take it’s place. Water vapor injection has increased the MPG on all types of vehicles, ours and many others, by increasing efficiency. More efficient combustion increases miles per gallon and horsepower, the best of both worlds. But, if you use the increased efficiency strictly for HP, you won’t realize maximum benefits where MPG is concerned. This is one instance where “either, or” is the rule. One disadvantage with the fighters and early non-computer cars was: if the water ran out, the timing had to be retarded or the engine could be damaged due to detonation. Computer controlled cars don’t have that problem, if the computer hasn’t been modified, because the computer resets the timing if any detonation is sensed and a check engine light should come on if the system is run out of water. An ounce of prevention works and is as easy as checking the oil to implement: make sure the water vapor system doesn’t run out of water.There are systems on the market that work to “fool” the computer. These can cause the computer to lean out the mixture too much and change the timing. Both of which can damage the engine.Sixty to eighty percent of the fuel that goes into the engine is there to cool internal engine parts. Water is two hundred times more efficient at cooling than gasoline. So, why not replace the expensive and less efficient fuel with water? More information, including how-to and photos, can be accessed at http://www.mileageman1.comPrintShare it! — Rate it: up down flag this hub
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It works on motorhomes too. See the mileageman1.com website.
It's pretty sweet, that's for sure.I'm going to have to take a better look into it.
One word for your whole hub on water injection and your experience of it. Crap.
I do not believe your background either. With the knowledge you claim to have you could not be that bone ignorant.
The word you needed was pinking not pinging. Pinging is a word used mostly by those who no little or nothing about ICE's.
I have been in the motor industry most of my life and spent many years in the motorcycle industry designing 2 stroke combustion chambers and porting. I have developed many 4 stroke racing motors.
I also know enough about thermodynamics to be very certain of my grounds for canning this sort of rubbish.
I sell dyno's and engine analysers these days.
I do not expect you to post this.
Google has finally started to look at EPA results and have begun to ban this sort of junk once and for all.
Larry even if your maths are right and I don't for a minute think they are, if you do happen to get all these savings happening. What concerns me greatly is the fact that you have all this water sloshing around in a metal engine, have you heard of rust corrosion? People why do you think exhaust pipes and mufflers corode out? Water and condensation!
Hi guys, I run into this a lot, not only in the automotive sector but in other areas, like health. It's always good to get a second opinion. I've had forty years of experience using the system on tow cars, family cars, drag race and road race cars, with a few updates to work with computers, and I've never had any of the problems that seem to be so apparent to those who've never used them. I'm always amazed how ignorant I've been all those years, and with all those good experiences, when someone else, who's never tried them, knows they won't work. agvulpes, you don't just pour the water in, you regulate it as water molecules. That's the drawback with the other systems, no way to regulate how much water you introduce into the engine. Ask yourself what steam engines were made of. Earnest, I have friends who have used water injection successfully for years. Friends who've been national and world record holders in drag racing, plus national and regional champions in road racing, myself included. Other friends have flown fighter planes and some who've been mechanics on, and flown, B-52's using water injection. If you ever encounter any of them, please don't tell them it won't work. They'd probably feel bad if they found out that all those years, all those wins and experiences, were nothing but a figment of their imaginations and their lives never really happened. Think how you'd feel. But, maybe it wouldn't bother you, since you profess to be omnipotent. We have over 125,000 combuned miles on two of our vehicles and our pickup has 270,000 miles and still has 155 psi in all four cylinders. Nothing has rusted out or rotted off on any of them. The muffler was replaced on the pickup about six years ago after being torn off while out adventuring in the desert. In the brain and learning research that I've done, researchers say that the largest majority of people stop learning when they get out of school and that iinformation's out of date by the time we learn it and even more outdated by the time we use it. Research also states that what comes out of one's mouth is generally connected with, and an indication of, what goes on in the person's brain. Pinging is the word most people understand, relate to and use for detonation, where I live. Maybe pinking is used wherever you live, I'd suspect the UK, but it's never been used in any of the automotive circles I've been around. If you've been in the motor industry and built four stroke racing engines like you say, I'm amazed that you've never run into water injection in drag race and road race applications. Maybe, it's because you know so much that everyone figured you already knew, or they were hesitant to tell you because of your vast knowledge. It's also possible that you were an "also ran", you know the ones who always have an excuse why they finished last or didn't finish at all, and they didn't want you to be a top place finisher because they didn't want to listen to your rhetoric: flatulance, grandiloquence, pompous and bombastic are other meanings for rhetoric. My referrences are all verifiable and on my www.larryRmiller.com website. I'm glad you wrote, I needed a subject for my weekly newspaper column and now a lot of it's already written. Thanks, and have a nice day.
Larry I am looking for the link to your website but I just can't seem to find it can you tell me were it is please, I wish to be educated!
It's http://www.mileageman1.com I will be making some major updates in the next week but the basics will be the same.
Larry the information I was looking for was where the planes in WW2 used the water injection I could not find anything on your site about this subect. Do you have any refererences for me. I'm sure that the engines in the planes were designed to have water injected into them . I'm not too sure about the cars of today?
Hi, been busy with R&D. One place to look is Wikipedia English version, search for water injection (engines). The parenthesis have to be included. The water injection on those engines also included advancing the timing, usually manually with a lever that also engaged the water injection, and if the water ran out, the engine could self distruct, they weren't as sophisticated as modern engines. On computer cars, the timing is constantly monitored and the timing is automatically reset if any detonation is sensed. The Wikipedia info was on the website but deleted when last changed. More changes as R&D and time permits, but maybe my next week estimate wasn't realistic to the R&D schedule.
Hey Earnestshub, go to Wikipedia English version and search for "engine knocking." You'll find pinging and pinking. I hope this helps you expand your knowledge base.
Good your site and thanks for information..
Larry
I agree these devices do work and have been tinkering for many years trying variations of them.
Governments will never agree, its like asking them to kick themselves up the hole.
Great site
Hi Buck, talked to an old time car buff who'd bought a 49 Oldsmobile brand new. He put water injection on when he bought it, still has the car and told me there's absolutely no hard carbon anywhere in the engine. That's what I've found also. When I met the man in Kingman, AZ he and his wife drove up in a Mercury (maybe Ford) Meteor. It originally was a Canadian delivery vehicle but very similar to the 49 Mercury that the customizers loved in the 50's. We had a good talk and he had nothing bad to say about water injection, with 60 years experience. Since you've been tinkering with similar systems, go to my www.mileageman1.com web site and look at the pictures, you'll probably be able to figure out how it works and how to build it from the web site. Good luck and thanks for the read. Larry
driverslicense says:
15 months ago
I've personally been seeing a lot more about Water/Gas. It's interesting. There's also video's on youtube showing people running their vehicle's on water and gas. Hey if it truly work's the way they say it does, should be pretty sweet!