We are Being Sold a Lemon
68So why are we just now getting serious about electric cars, like it is something we just figured out how to do? Read the comments on this hub and you will see this concept has been within reach for quite some time. You know what they call the Shipyard that builds Submarines in the Groton, CT. Electric Boat. You know why they call it electric boat? Because for years they have been building electric submarines, trust me if you can make a Submarine run on battery power, you can make a car a hell of a lot easier. It never has and never will be about the ability. We have been sold this Idea like it is new or revolutionary, we seen the news hype and the pundits running in circles like little hamsters. To bad no one thought to rap a coil of wire around them and put them in a Magnetic Office, then our energy crisis would be over.
I have had the great fortune over the years to be able to go to all the National Labs and see all the wonderful things we have the ability to do. Here is the catch and the rub, all this research is paid for by private business and the Government.
What does that mean? It means, that this entire technology will only see a production floor if it can kill a shit ton of people, or inflict major damage to infrastructure. Or can be marketed for a huge profit. If it doesn’t meet that test criteria, then it sits and gathers dust until someone figures out how to make it do one of those two things, or the best is to make it do both. You get all kinds of Kudos and awards for that, but somehow you never seem to get to share in the profit.
People have a lot of government and industry programmed opinions on what I am about to say next, but, believe me as Sci-Fi as it may sound it is very close to the truth. We have as a nation for many years already accounted for all the contingencies regarding Oils eventual demise. The people I have had the privilege to work with are the best and brightest minds in the world. So here I go. The reason we have not switched from oil is because there is a lot of money left in oil. Only when, and not one minute before, the last dollar is squeezed out of the ground will we bring in other sources of energy. Sadly, this is both good and bad for the country; it is bad because all this money goes to the top, the wealthiest people in the world. It is good in the sense that our lifestyle as we know it comes from all the crumbs that spill off of the Masters table, and as long as the table is crowded there are lots of crumbs. This reality that everyone is hopping around about is just a crumb dropping existence if you think about it.
We have the ability to provide unlimited energy and have had the means for sometime. We do not and will not use it. We will use these expensive job creating methods like solar, thermal, hydro, hydrogen, all of them resource intensive and inefficient, because that will be the excuse for the high prices to the end user. Plus, this government needs the inefficiency to keep people employed to a level that will not cause riots. We live in a FascistState; our government will act in the best interest of the ruling class. That is to sell us on this Idea that if we work hard and do the right things someday will crack open a cold one and all those girls are just going to appear.
Here is the real grabber we have been sold this Idea of Electric cars, like it is a good thing like it will get us off of oil. Trust me, as an Engineer, I tell you that it will only increase the use of oil. Because, no mode of energy conversion is more efficient than about 24%, in your car you burn gas which direct drives your car. For, an electric car, the electricity is produced by burning Oil which heats a drum of water into steam, there are losses in this cycle, then the steam hits a turbine creating rotational energy, there are lot’s of losses here (Tip leakage, Windage, Friction and more). You can search the internet on the Rankin cycle for more info. Then we transmit the energy over miles of line with lots of I2R losses, and then we charge a battery with more losses (called Hysteresis losses and internal resistance losses). Then convert this stored energy which will also be subject to leakage, into rotational energy with a lot of losses again. This will more than double the amount of Oil and Coal needed to power these beast’s and it sure won’t clean up the air, you just won’t be able to see it from your window.
This bailout is a tax grab to give private business the means to use our money to make their infrastructure changes in order to sell us a car that will ultimately cost us more in the long Run, and Increase the Oil Profits as well as the Auto Industries profits and keep a lot of people employed just above the poverty level so the margins can stay nice and high. It is the same old Robber Barron’s using the same old tactics. Then, once Oil is near the end of its life, we will see a whole bunch of Nuclear Power plants crop up using this great technology that makes waste a non issue, everyone will think it is the cat’s ass, but the reality is, we have been able to do it since the 80’s. But, we keep the whole thing mucked up with a massive disinformation campaigns so people are either scared or unsure.
Yes, the collapse of the U.S. auto industry will be harmful to a lot of people; yes this bailout will have the ability to make our car companies at the top of the pile with fresh plants and updated equipment (Which also means fewer workers to operate them). Yes it will give them a huge plus on the bottom line as we the people financed this, instead of the CEO’s having to work with the Bankruptcy Judge with accountability in place, that is exactly why these CEO want a bailout, they do not want to have to answer to an independent appointed authority, they want to answer to their bought and paid for politicians. But, it will not cure our ills as we the people will not share in the increase in value this bailout will give, we will face the same woes the same corporate games, and we will get robbed again and again only each time it will be easier as we have set the precedent. There is a war going on out there, and it isn’t against terrorism, it is a class war, we the people have our blinders, on and we are taking heavy casualties.
You every wonder why you never hear the term class these days, it is all about lifestyle. They keep this façade up, that you to can have it, and all you have to do is get a good education and work hard. It is a Skinner box carrot that is less likely to produce than the lottery. But as long as the rose colored glasses are on, well then let's run for the prize. Anyway, to much soapbox, I just get worked up. My next hub is on the College lie, how we have been made slaves and how they used our children and our hopes for them. to do it.
TMG
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I can see now that you were nuke! And now you know why I chose my user name.
Unfortunately, people will not listen! They stand around with one thumb in their mouth and the other up their ASS! And on the count - switch thumbs!
I was still working in southeast Mississippi, during the run-up to Iraq invasion and I attempted to explain the world to people that have never traveled further than New Orleans. But, it proved to be an exercise in futility. I will be forever thankful for the education and experience that I received in the US Navy. Seeing the world through a periscope gives one a unique outlook on the world and life.
We need to get a web site or group of ex nukes in a blog and call it "The Shit Stirrers!"
Well, Tesla is coming out with an electric car costing $100,000, and they have run out of money and are asking for government help. GM is coming out with the hybrid Chevy Volt in 2010, but they say they still have battery issues. They don't seem to be able to make or buy a battery that will provide more than a 50-60 mile range between charges. Hydrogen is another option, but that has problems also--lack of availability of hydrogen supply stations and danger of explosion in event of crashes. European car makers are producing some excellent high mileage diesel car engines. Diesel has been neglected in the U.S. Just applying the laws of elementary physics--reducing the weight and horsepower of cars--would go a long way toward improving energy conservation in the U.S.
Good Point Ralph,
Diesel has been highly neglected in the U.S. it is cheaper to refine, less flammable and therefore less dangerous.
The method of combustion used in modern European cars is a very high temperature/pressure process that burns very clean.
You are spot on when ever you can increase the power to fuel ratio you increase the fuel economy by definition.
I think the electric car is more of a smoke screen than anything. Everyone will feel good for a while and lot's of money will be made, a lot of people will buy this car thinking they are helping the environment and that is not how it works.
Others, will think they are helping their pocket book by not pumping gas, but that again is not how it works. The cost will transfer to the electric bill and all other goods as electricity gets scarce and companies have to pay a premium or build their on CoGen plants in either case the cost will be passed to the consumer.
TMG
Another obvious problem with electric cars from a an enviromental and climate change point-of-view is that electric cars won't help if we and China keep building dirty coal-fired power plants. I guess the auto companies figure gas-electric hybrids or all electric cars will help get the enviornmentalists off their back. And I guess they will help on the energy independence issue.
Great hub!
Whenever people talk about electric cars, they always go all macro with it--Like oh this won't solve our energy crisis because...and so on. OK, but why does it have to? A toaster won't solve our energy crisis either but I own one and I like it. If I could buy an electric car I would, because for me, it would be a great and inexpensive way to get around. I mostly tootle around town and rarely break 45 MPH doing it--often I'm putting around at 30 pissing people off. That's hard on a gas engine and it wastes a lot of gas. Why can't we have electric cars AND hybrids AND big gas hogs AND diesel AND compressed LP gas trucks and so one and so forth? Why can't we have SOME electric cars?
But yeah, in the 1950s the Peak Oil Curve was laid out and we've been following it pretty closely, with arguments and fine tuning and so forth--and nothing has been done and it remains to be seen if anything will be done.
I still want my electric car though. When my 84 Honda dies maybe I'll convert it, but at 160,000 miles it's not even close to the end yet. (o:
I KNOW PEOPLE CAN SEE IT WAS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND POLITICS. OUR GOVERMENT SUCKS JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN GAS JUST DROPS ,THE GOVERMENT TREATS ITS PEOPLE LIKE WE ARE THEIR ENEMIES .I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN BUT OUR GOVERMENT IS SO CROOKED AND CORRUPTED I DONT TRUST NONE OF OUR POLTICIANS. BARACK OBOMA SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW THAT I DO TRUST I HPE HE DONT LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DOWN. HE REALLY SEEM TO BE TRUST WORTHY BUT THEY ALL HAD US FOOLED! TIME WILL TELL SO RIGHT NOW A CAR IS MY LEAST WORRY IM HOMELESS!
Great Hub …
Who kill the electric cars? The electric cars were too far ahead of time to be acceptable. The BIG boys saw that as a threat to the economy. I will not say that I agreed with it but I understand the technicality. As for me, our priority should be the environment not profit.
Yes you right some technology, ideas have been in place for a while now. However. to prevent a sudden shift in the market, leaders and corporate members have found it beneficial to placed a pause on the technology until the time is right. Although I see this as holding the future hostage, I don't approve of any change without a transition platform.
In my previous hub Greed as an hazard to future manufacturing, I advised not to hold the future hostage for the purpose of holding on to jobs. Which mean if future technology can replace jobs perform by humans let it be. But at the same time I also talked about the importance of the transition process. We must understand that we can't just come out with new technologies and expect them to hit the street the next day. No, they must be a transition process so that jobs are created at the same time jobs are lost. If we were to let something like that occurred not only the stock market would suffer but too many people would lose their jobs to fast. Utility is a necessity, an energy source that should only be shift gradually.
At one time in this country coal were used to heat our homes. Most part of the country used coal even the big cities. Now there's very limited coal being used. Although coal mines still exist until today, it's main use are for the purpose of creating electricity which must also end. They is no such thing as a clean coal don't let corporation full you with their commercials …..burning coal causes more damage to our planet than oil which is just as worst.
OIL most likely will not end forever but it will be in less use throughout the world as time passes. However though we must allow the transition process to evolve for it's the only way. To alter our energy use, we must provide alternative to replace our consumptions as time progress.
Very insightful. Personally, I think the future is fuel cell technology, not electric. Not unless there's a nuclear power plant on every street corner.
We do not have a fuel crisis as much as a stupidity crisis.
As always, TMG - a thought-provoking hub! What about CNG and ethanol? Would you say they would be a more practical alternative to an electric car? Especially since the existing cars - or most of them anyway - can be converted?
I guess governments and corporates are the same the world over - look at the pharma industry!
good hub,
What is stopping people from using some of the technology you claim to have seen? Laws, patents security clearances? If they are available, and profitable, some entrepreneur should get one of them going. Oh, I said the naughty word, profitable. If it isn't profitable, it isn't going to happen. Only when somebody stands up and does it for the good, instead of profit, will it be done.
Money Man, excellent Hub. I know what your talking about when you talk about the technology that exists behind closed doors. I had a run in once with a certain group in the remote Desert of Palmdale California, I had tresspassed without realising it, well, kind of. I knew for sure that I was a dead man, why they let me go after what I saw, I can not explain. I'll tell you this much, if we had only 10% of the technology I seen that day, released, I don't think we would even be talking about needing electric cars or conserving oil and fuel. You know, I have never mentioned this to anyone before, it may be because I am so sick that I no longer fear retaliation. What gets me also is the fact that I seen this many years ago, so I am quite sure that they have advanced even further. I can understand not releasing certain technology because of security etc. but come on guys, we know you can do much more than you are.
We the people need to wake up and step up and get what we want instead of only what is fed to us.
Thank you all again for the comments
TMG
Would electric cars not be a good idea if they were run by renewable electricity? I'm thinking of places with almost endless supplies of it, such as Iceland and Norway, from geo-thermal or hydro-electric generators.
Interesting comment,
Yes, in an environment with that kind of resource, in terms of pollution absolutely. In terms of efficiently using this resource not so much; however, at present in that scenario the electric car is the best choice. I do not condone hydrolectric from damming rivers, but from tidal currents I think it is one of the best sources.
TMG
I agree with you about tide power.
Thank you,
I have a couple of turbine designs for tidal power, but they are hard to sell, because nobody in business likes the idea of free electricity.
TMG
I think this is a Great hub! Hubbers don't pass it up!!!
I was left sick to my stomach, though. Why is the US doing this? Why? I don't get it. But hey, I don't like how the US treats her Veterns either... But, man- I just don't understand it sometimes. I think the American people have lost control of Washington.... What do you think? Thanks for the great information. Bravo!!!
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goldentoad says:
13 months ago
You got me angry now. It never ceases to amaze me that the government and the money people just don't want to do the right thing from the beginning. Great hub, look forward to the College Lie.