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What Kind of Father Wants His Children to Fail?

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By Ivan the Terrible


One thing bothers me...

 Even though I am a non-believer, I am bothered by one thing.  While I admit that most religions have some good points, rules for common sense living, I am also bothered by the idea of a supreme being who, it seems to me, wants and expects most of his children to fail.

I am going to play devil's advocate here and pretend that I am interested in finding a faith to follow.  (Please, evangelists, do not call me or knock at my door!)  I want to know how I can become one of those very few who will be allowed into eternal bliss after I breathe my last.  No that might seem a simple thing to ask for, but it can be complicated, and becomes complicated, if you read the various authors of hubs and other sources of information about religion, Christianity in particular.

In this scenario, my aim is to live the kind of life that gets me into heaven.  I am told that I must believe in Christ by Protestants, Catholics tell me that I must believe that Church is God's intrument on Earth, and various other groups of christian-like religions tell me other things I must do.

But as I look a bit deeper, I am beginning to think that it is not as simple as people say it is.  According to one hubber, most people, no matter their attempts to follow what they interpret as Christian duties, they are following wrong doctrines and won't be saved.  Heaven is out of the question for them. Yet another person disagrees and tells me that I should ignore person A and follow a different set of instructions.

If I were building a model, and had five very different sets of instructions, how would I know which one is right until after I built the model and discovered I chose wisely or not?  This, I believe is what many Christians are telling me, to follow their instructions, and I will find the right model life built after I am dead and standing before God.  And if I chose wisely, then all is good, but if I chose foolishly, then I am doomed.  Yet the only real way to know is by building my model according to what I think is the right way and then hope I wasn't fooled into following the incorrect instructions.

When my son and daughter were little, I instructed them very carefully in how to act, how to save, how to get along with others, and so forth.  they learned the lessons and there was no ambiguity. This is the way to live a healthy, fulfilling life.  I left them no doubt.  I did leave them the freedom to either follow my instructions, or to do their own thing.  Of course, they did their own thing until they saw that some of my ideas made sense and then more or less followed them.

I am told by Christians that this is our choice in how we relate, or fail to relate, to the God they claim to follow.  But I find many of the instructions very vague, indeed.  It does not matter, for example, if you do good things in your life, there is always another step you must take.  I never told my children, do as I say or you will die.  I always told them, I found out this is a good way to do this, and then they either did that or tried their own way.  Of course I am not God so sometimes they did better than I did, and I learned from them.

But that aside, in reading the Bible, which Christians explain is our guide book to pleasing God and saving our souls or spirits or whatever we have from damnation and Hell's lake of buring fire, or whatever it is that condemned souls are sent to, I have found that the path is not so clear as some people claim.  And then there's all that nasty "If you follow their path, you'll sizzle like a slab of bacon on Satan's griddle" stuff that makes me doubt the path I'm on.  And if I hear this from enough differing points of view, I am REALLY confused!

Would God really make me sizzle just because I followed this group instead of that group?  weren't they all claiming to be Christians, following what the Bible told them to do?  Didn't I also read the Bible and see that their message made sense from my interpretation of it?  Why is this happening to me?

My own idea is that while the BIble does indeed have some good, common sense stuff in it, don't commit adultery, don't steal from your neighbor, don't murder, etc., there is also a lot of stuff that apparently even Christians can't agree upon, the meaning is that confusing that people with equal fervor pray for answers and often get opposing sets of instructions.  Then, each side claims only THEIR interpresation is correct and the others must be tainted by some demon or Satan himself, and are doomed to the lake of fire, etc., etc., etc.

Hell, explained


So, what kind of Father wants or expects his children to fail?

 The kind of father who wants his children to fail, or who expects 99.999999% of them to fail, seems like a father who really has better things to do than to teach his children well.  God blew it in the Garden of Eden, telling Adam and Eve not to eat of the fruit of three, but not explaining the consequences to them.  Or surely you shall die just didn't cut it.  He could have said, "Look, there;s this serpent slithering around and he's going to try to to fool you.  Don't fall for it!"

After all, I warned my kids that there are creeps out there in the real world who want to fool them and trick them, and that these creeps had some nasty intentions.  That worked, so my kids avoided the traps others set for them.  To me, that is what a father does.  He warns his children, gives them reasons and consequences, and his instructions are crystal clear, not vague or hidden in language the kids may not understand.

In my humble opinion God the Father did not do this.  Oh, there is plenty of "Thou shall not..." in the Bible, but very few "here's why and watch out for this."  And even when there is, it is usually cloaked in some words I really don't grasp. And since Christians seem to believe that Adam and Eve got us into this mess, should God, omnipotent and all-wise, have foreseen that unfettered freedom without proper instructions would lead to disaster?  Why would he allow his beloved children to get themselves into such a long-standing mess?  And then why would He make getting out of that mess so obscure to us?  And why does he only write his instructions so that only a few of us will ever see the message?  I am still puzzled over that one, unless other humans are not quite as beloved to God as some are.

And worse, even among those who WANT to please God, I am told most won't and will fall short of doing even what they want to do most of all in their lives!  Sorry, but this strikes me as cruel and even sadistic.

OK, I have said my piece, and now it's up to others to either enlighten me or agree with me or tell me I'm just doomed.  For the latter group, is asking questions not a way to find enlightenment, because for me, I have to know why some one-thing is better than some other thing.

Christianity & the Bible

Is Christianity, and therefore the Bible, the only path to God?

  • Yes
  • No
  • I really don't believe any of this
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Instruction Manual

Does the Bible clearly explain to you how to please God?

  • yes
  • no
  • I really don't believe any of this
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Your salvation

Do you believe you fully understand all that God wants of you by reading the Bible and by prayer?

  • Yes
  • No
  • I really don't believe any of this
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Belief of others

Other Chrsitians I disagree with are...

  • Fooled by Satan, i.e. tools of Satan
  • Still going to Heaven, but they interpret things incorrectly.
  • I really don't believe any of this
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qwark  says:
5 months ago

Hi Ivan: Before a "thinker" can consider the concept god/allah as it is portrayed in monotheistic scripture, it must be defined in, convincing, terms which make "it" factual. That is not done in any of the 3 major monotheistic writings. That "fact" relegates the monotheistic god to the realm of pure human fantasy. Only Interesting to those who enjoy reading puerile fiction. Thanks for exposing it for what it is:...nonsense! :-)

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fishmox  says:
5 months ago

Have you even read the Bible ? Or are you asking questions based purely on what you heard about as a kid, then as a "bright" college student from "brilliant" professors who though being a former monkey was cuter and more dignified than being created in the image of God.

No offense.

Just wondering.

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dohn121  says:
5 months ago

This is exactly why I'm Buddhist, not because my parents conditioned me or made me follow the path of Buddhism, but because I chose the path because it simply made sense to me. To me, Christianity tends to confuse many individuals whereas Buddhism gives reasons why they are confused. Thanks for writing this hub, as you've helped to cement my beliefs further! Good dissection hub, if I can call it that!

By the way, I'm not trashing any religion and am not recruiting either. I respect all religions so long as they preach loving kindness to all sentient beings.

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ColdWarBaby  says:
5 months ago

All the primary iconic figures from all the major religions are merely substitutions for, or the evolution of, the earliest "pagan" sun gods.

They all follow the same cycle of virgin birth, early wisdom, performance of miracles, a group of twelve "disciples", betrayal by a disciple, crucifixion and resurrection.

Every one of them is nothing more than a metaphorical depiction of the solar cycle.

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Ivan the Terrible  says:
5 months ago

Fishmox, yes, many times, it still confuses me. I see things that contradict each other and Christians still try to convince me that what I read is not contradictory. I find it at times very inspiring but not for the reasons others do. But this idea floated out there by some Christians that only a few humans will be going to Heaven troubles me. Thus my question.

As for my education, most of it was gained while I was being shot at in Viet Nam. It's funny how wise you can become dodging bullets after being lied to and sent to a war we never should have been in. that's when I decided the US was not the place for me.

Human beings were never former monkeys. Monkeys are lower primates. We share a lot in common with the Great Apes. Yours is a completely ignorant view of evolution, all too common. But to tell you the truth, I am skeptical enough to say that maybe evioution does not answer all my questions, either. It just makes more sense to me right now than any other answer. If I find out it isn't true, I am willing to look elsewhere. I am not dogmatic about it. And besides, who's to say that maybe the God you worship used evolution to make us?

Qwark, I agree, man!

Dohn121, good points - I personally have no beliefs because I haven't found much that makes sense to me. Write a hub about your beliefs, though. I think that would be very interesting!

ColdWarBaby, always glad to hear from you. So when you gonna move to Spain? I am always open to the idea that maybe I am wrong. I just haven't been convinced otherwise. Thus my question, what kind of father....???

My only answer is that if God does exist I am doomed. But if, as some people say, God made us, then why am I such a skeptic?

I guess it's a mental masturbation question, after all. Kind of like can god make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it? Or, how many angels can sit on the head of a pin? Or will Sarah Palin ever grow up and smell the coffee? Or more scary yet, will Americans be fooled enough by her in four years to actually vote her into office? Bill Maher had that same thought! Maybe her church will have chased out the terrible Liberal witches keeping her from winning by then, eh?

Have fun, my friend!

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ColdWarBaby  says:
5 months ago

Doom seems to me to be a very subjective concept Ivan.

I'd say the existence of a god is no reason to automatically assume you're doomed.

Actually, if it's out there, I'm looking forward to a serious confrontation at some point. Any omnipotent being that would allow this mess to exist has got some 'splainin to do!

For me it's really pretty simple. Until somebody can show me solid, documented and peer reviewed scientific evidence proving the existence of god, no such being exists. End of story.

Maybe after we die, the energy that animates us goes out into the universe, with all our consciousness intact, and joins a great reservoir of consciousness that explores time, space and dimensions beyond imagination without the need for a physical body at all.

We are energy. Energy goes on. It may take a lot of different forms, but it goes on. It doesn't need any help from a god.

The universe and its energy existed for billions upon billions of years before "man" invented god and will continue long after we and our myths are gone.

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Ivan the Terrible  says:
5 months ago

Yes, ColdWarBaby, I agree 100%, doom is a very subjective concept, and as a concept, does it mean anything more to me than those who tell me that the Mayan or Aztec calendars predict doom in two years? Or that Nostradamus wrote about things that have happened in our times?

Personally, I think that anyone writing any gibberish can be proclaimed a prophet at various times during human existence. After all, in the middle ages people followed insane individuals off to wars of crusade and then killed indigenous people who refused to convert to a conquerer's religious beliefs.

But if this GOD that Christians talk about does exist, then why did he or she or it make me a wondering skeptic? I am curious, mostly about Christianity because that is the religion I see and hear of the most.

Thanks for the reply.

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