What if Your Bank Fails? Facts about FDIC Insurance
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How to Tell if Your Money Is Safe
Chances are you've seen the news footage of angry, frightened customers lined up for blocks outside California's IndyMac Bank to get at their money before, or just after, IndyMac's recent bankruptcy. The FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) seized the bank this past Saturday for being inadequately capitalized, which is a fancy way of saying the bank went belly up. It didn't have enough assets to cover the money its customers had deposited there.
The FDIC has a list of 90 financial institutions that it expects may fail in the coming year, and it expects to expand that list to 150 institutions very soon.
What happens if your bank fails? Is your money really safe?
The FDIC was founded after the Great Depression to insure deposits in retail banks and in doing so to (hopefully) prevent bank runs. A "run on the bank" occurs when customers lose confidence in a bank and all of them begin to withdraw their money at the same time. This can effectively cause even a healthy financial institution to shut down very quickly. Bank runs are panicky, ugly affairs that, once started, are hard to control.
Basically, a run on the bank is a self-fulfilling prophecy: Short term loss of confidence in a financial institution leads to large scale panic withdrawals which lead to bank failure. IndyMac may well have failed on its own eventually, but what closed IndyMac even faster than its own bad decisions was a classic bank run that took place over the course of last week.
The recent hubbub over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was also basically the result of a bank run (except Fannie and Freddie are investment banks, not retail banks like the kind where you have your checking account). Investors all wanted out of Fannie and Freddie at the same time and panic spread like wildfire in only a few days. Since investment banks are not covered by FDIC insurance, the federal government stepped in instead. Bear Stearns was also an investment bank: No FDIC for Bear Stearns, so Bernanke personally brokered a deal to prevent an upset of the entire US financial system.
The FDIC insures your deposits in your retail bank for up to $100,000. That figure represents a total of all your deposits at a single bank. (So, if you have money at a second retail bank as well, you have another $100,000 in FDIC insurance.) Deposit accounts refer to most ordinary liquid accounts such as checking and savings accounts, and also term accounts like Certificates of Deposit (or CDs).
Say you have $100 in your checking account, a savings account with $700, and a CD worth $52,000, all at Big Wipe Bank Inc, for a total of $60,000 at Big Wipe. Your entire $60,000 is insured by FDIC, and you could safely deposit another $40,000 at Big Wipe and still be insured. This means that if the Big Wipe fails and is shut down, you get all your money back from the federal government through FDIC. You go to the bank after the failure, they give you your money, The end.
If you are married and hold joint accounts at Big Wipe, you are insured for up to $200,000 for the combined amount of your joint holdings, or $100,000 for each of you. If you have an IRA at Big Wipe (an Individual Retirement Account), your IRA is insured by FDIC for $250,000.
What if you have more than $100,000 at Big Wipe? (Or, if you are married, more than $200,000?) What should you do?
Sometimes, simply by titling your account differently, you can obtain another $100,000 in FDIC insurance. Ask someone at Big Wipe who knows what they are doing if you can add a signor and by doing so get all your money covered. For instance, if you have a CD worth $200,000 at Big Wipe in your own name, you may be able to put $100,000 of it into a separate CD with your name and your nephew's name on it. That would give you two CDs insured for the full $100,000, because they are titled differently.
Maybe you don't trust your nephew as far as you can throw him, and you'd rather not put him on your CD thank you very much. In that case, should Big Wipe fail, you will get $100,000 of your CD without any problem, but only a percentage of the amount over $100,000. Currently, the FDIC is anticipating paying out 25-50% on deposits over $100,000 at IndyMac. That means you would get as little as $125,000 on your $200,000 CD from FDIC should Big Wipe go down the tubes.
Should you pull your money out of Big Wipe if you have much over $100,000?
That depends. Most CDs come with hefty penalties for early withdrawal, so you have to factor that into your decision. If Big Wipe is in the same league as giants like Citigroup and Bank of America, leave your money alone. Those banks are not going to fail. Don't stress yourself out by moving your money all over the place out of fear.
However, if your $200,000 is in a troubled regional bank and you feel you have reason to be worried, talk first to your banker about retitling and redistributing your wealth to make certain it is all insured. You can read all the guidelines, and even use a handy calculator at www.fdic.gov and determine on your own how much insurance have before you even go down there.
In fact, I recommend you do that. You can also request a free brochure at the webiste which lists all the FDIC insurance guidelines and rules. Take it with you when you go down to Big Wipe to talk with them.
If it turns out that you do have to move some of your money to another bank in order to have all your deposits insured, please be sane and calm about it. Don't run down to Big Wipe and take a cash withdrawal of $50,000 out in front of other customers, then make a big noise and scream and cry when they say they have to plan that in advance, then set off a panic and risk getting your neck broken on the way to your car and all your money stolen.
Instead, first shop around for another CD or high-interest savings product at a stronger bank (ING has great rates and is one of the few international banks that steered clear of the subprime mess, so its solid as a rock), then have your new bank initiate a wire transfer of your funds out of Big Wipe so you don't have to turn yourself into a mugger's wet dream.
Never act out of fear. That never, ever goes well in any venue.
How Can You Tell If Your Bank Is Secure?
Maybe you are thinking, yes, yes, but what if a bunch of banks fail and I can't get my money because FDIC is freaking out too?
First of all, calm down will you? Didn't you read the last sentence of the last section?
Seondly, there are lots of things you can do to make yourself feel (and be) more secure. A good place to start is to begin educating yourself about your chosen financial institution. Did you open your account with your current bank because they have a cool hologram of the Ramones on your debit card, or because they were giving away insulated coolers that week? Fine, don't beat yourself up, just get some more facts and check them out a bit.
Go to the New York Times website and check out your bank's performance by entering its stock symbol in the rectangular box on the right under the stock averages. The box says 'Get Quotes'. (If you don't know your bank's stock symbol, you can look it up at MSN Finance by typing your bank's name in the lookup box on the left.) The 'Get Quotes' box will take you to a page that shows your bank's current stock price, as well as how the current price fares against the price for the past 52 weeks.
Has the price dropped 70 to 90% in a year's time? That's one red flag, but don't go taking all your money out just yet. At the bottom of the page you will see a list of articles about your bank that appeared in the NYT over the course of the past year. Read some of them. Look for subprime debt problems. Does your bank own a lot of debt? Were their problems with their debt-holdings resolved or are they still hanging over the bank's books?
Then look at the press releases the bank has issued about itself. (They are located under the news articles.) Red flags here include recent CEO turnover, news releases that state that everything is fine, (a bank never issues a release like that unless everything is not fine), and attempts at capital infusions (attempts by your bank to borrow or raise money) with no later releases about how happy the bank is that it got the money.
Once you are done checking out your bank, check out how it fares compared to other banks. The NYT page about your bank will show how banks that are roughly the same size and type are doing by comparison on the top right.
This all may sound boring, but here's the thing: You still can choose where to keep your money, and you don't have to wait until the world is crashing around your ears to make those choices. If banks know that depositors don't care for high risk shenanigans and they know they will lose customers over it, they may or may not change, but if you make informed choices based on your own research, not the latest doo-dad freebie offered to entice you, you will at least know your money is as safe as it can be, given the current climate.
Knowledge is as close to power as you are going to get in this arena.
Finally, keep some cash around. This is just good sense. Most homeowner insurance policies will cover cash in your home up to $200 in the event of a break in, so don't keep much more than that, but if you can, put $200 in a freezer container and keep it on hand in case of whatever. If a storm knocks out your local power or you have an emergency, it's right there to get you through a day or two at least. If your bank fails, you can pop open that freezer container and keep yourself in toilet paper until you can get down there and wait in line for the government to give you your money.
What if the government fails? Geez, how should I know? Take that $200 and get your butt across the Canadian border before they shut it down!
In the meantime, relax.
It's only money.
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Hi CJ! No I haven't seen it, but I'm familiar with it. I suppose I should watch it one of these days. My gut reaction to the idea is that it sounds too much like a conspiracy theory, and in seven years of hanging around financial types I've found that keen intelligence and subterfuge tend not to be their defining character traits. The ones who succeed are greedy, blunt, and kind of boring, usually. But that's just my personal experience as a failure, so of course it helps me feel better about myself to think of them that way. Maybe it's true--maybe the Depression was manufactured, but I doubt it.
In the end, it doesn't matter. 99% pay for the lavish lifestyles of less than 1% of us no matter what the historical truth is, and that's the reality right this minute. I thought about taking my money out of our bank, but honestly I hardly have any money, and how can I tell people who call in to calm down if I freak out and pull my small sum out myself? If it gets that bad, it won't matter what anyone does, we will all have bigger problems by then for sure.
Good to see you back! I hope your childrens' book went well.
wow pgrundy, this is so thorough, even I could understand it. I tend to understand, "have money, don't have money." and That's the extent of my financial expertise.
Maybe we should all collectively, kiss our financial aaaa....sssss...0k, rears goodbye...or squirrel it all away in a deep dark hole...or store food, I mean, it's just really hard to know what to do. The world keeps spinnin and I keep wondering how much longer can it go round. Maybe each generation thinks their disaster is the worst...but it feels it. sigh...
Have been involved with a lot of banks
Could not agree with you more.
Was a child of the Depression. Do not believe it was manufactured. The Depression came out of something more than Making money.
I do believe a lot of people made a lot of money through the depression.
Thank you
I loved this hub! My wife is a personal banker at Big Wipe, and we were just talking about writing a hub about FDIC, because of the flood of customers in the past few days asking about it. I concur about ING. I love that institution!
Oh, and a little fact about the Great Depression; there were more millionaires made after the depression than any other time in history. The second largest group was after the recession in the 80's. So what's that say about the near future? Get some money saved up, there's a huge sale event coming!! What people need to realize about a recession, depression, time of war, time of peace, etc., no matter what YOU might be feeling financially, the money in the world is the same. You just don't have as much. The coming depression will simply be a transfer of wealth, and those with the knowledge and the right thinking will become the newly wealthy.
Pam: I and my friends may know about the FDIC since we all worked in banks, but have sent your hub to one of my best friends at Citicorp as besides giving information, you share resources I was not aware of. Another very informative hub!
Hi mariesue! It does feel terrible, doesn't it? At some point we will hit bottom, but it's scary imagining what 'bottom' will be.
Mr. Marmalade--I agree with you about the Depression. It's possible for people to make money off of other people's suffering without any grand plan. Sometimes a default plan just comes together due to mutual greed--I think that is what is happening now.
Hi Paradigmshift! Thanks for your comments. I'm a personal banker at Big Wipe too! I totally hate it though. If unemployment weren't so high here I'd be doing ANYTHING else. Yesterday, I wrote about FDIC for the blog I do at Amateur Economists and I only got half finished. I was going to to come back, finish it and submit it, but they published it while I was at work before I was done with it--I guess it's topical and they wanted someone writing on it pronto. Oh well, that saved me an hour's work! I read in the New York times that what is happening right now in the US does amount to the greatest transfer of wealth since the Great Depression, which is all the more obscene when you consider how wealthy the top 1% already are. They don't need it, and it's hurting the rest of us.
Hi Violetsun! Good to hear from you on this. I hope Pandit can turn that joint around. What a mess they were when he took over! First thing he did was jetison the mortgage lending arm that made and serviced all their subprime loans.
Scary times.
Pam, you have summed up the FDIC in a very matter-of-fact way. This hub will be an asset (no pun) to many. Since my wife is an employee of a major bank, I hear my fair share of stories. Granted, she works in an area somewhat detached from both investment and personal banking, ie. 403b accounts and the like, but the tales of money being withdrawn out of investment accounts for daily needs are scary.
We'll just have to see how this all shakes out. I appreciate your knowledgable wit and encouragement. Nice work.
Thanks Rob! Working on the front lines in personal banking has been beyond unpleasant lately. I think 9 out of 10 people are really hurting right now, and it won't take much to spark a widespread panic. Everyday on my way in to work I wonder, will I get through this today? Often I write this stuff as much to calm myself down as to calm others. I hope it helps.
Thanks nice tips
Such an excellent and timely Hub!! You are a voice of sanity amid the chaos. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain to those of us trying to understand things calmly.
Thank you for the comments summer10 and shineshark!
It's funny, Wall Street was happier today, so everyone has kind of calmed down about it all. I think that will last until the next catastrophe, which will certainly come along any day here...
I hate the volatility. I really do. But much of it is beyond our control. I did read today that some banks are refusing to cash IndyMac bank checks now, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of FDIC. That's scary. But no one seems too whipped up about it at the moment.
Wow what a great hub,all I can say is thank you for all the insightful information that you've given us on whats going with the banking system here in the United States.I was just talking to a financial guy the other day,and he recommended taking anything above and beyond a 100,000 in one bank account out, and transferring that difference into short term CD's.Every-body's on edge with the economy the way it is right now,all we can hope for is that things will get better.
Hi Kevin, thanks for your encouraging words. I think you are right, everyone is on edge right now. The economy feels very wobbly. I know we will get through it in the long term, but for the short term, yikes!
I have two words for you: Well Written!
Thanks for this great hub. Most of it I knew, but the one thing that caught my eye was also a huge relief, and that is the info about joint accounts for married people. Great info and I had no idea it worked like that.
Thanks again for this great information
Love the hub - one comment you made scares me though "This means that if the Big Wipe fails and is shut down, you get all your money back from the federal government through FDIC. You go to the bank after the failure, they give you your money, The end." - The Government is just as broke as the banks and thus the only way they can give you back your money is raise taxes! Ouch Again and Again
Neil Sperling
Hi Neil,
Thanks for commenting. I think you are right about our government. At some point all of this is going to bite us in the ass, hard. (Worse than it is already, that is). They had to borrow the money for our tax 'incentive' rebates and now Nancy Pelosi is calling for a new round of rebates. I like Nancy Pelosi well enough, but this is the wrong way to go at it. Our problems are so much deeper than that, and going even farther into debt won't solve them. This is the most clueless and useless bunch of clowns (Congress) I've seen in some time. There are some good Congresspersons, but they can't seem to accomplish anything.
It's all based on debt, overvaluation, representative money and fractional reserves. Smoke and mirrors. It cannot ultimately do anything but fail completely.
Hi coldwarbaby. I was thinking the same thing yesterday as Congress passed the housing bill meant to help people in foreclosure. It will only help a small number of those people and only IF the bank agrees to take a write-down, which they already never agree to do. However, it does put taxpayers on the hook for trillions for the bail-out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I think its a real mess.
This is a controlled fleecing of Americans. Fractional reserve banking is the death of America, and it is in the hands of a Privately Owned Federal Reserve Bank. Once our money was in the hands of a private, for profit org, we were sunk, and they are proving it on a daily basis.
Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws. — Mayer Amsched Rothchild, a prominent European banker in the eighteenth century
If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. — Thomas Jefferson
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. — Thomas Jefferson
This Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Wilson) signs this bill the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalized. — Hon. Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr., Dec. 23, 1913
Hi Jcockern, thank you for all the quotes. As events unfold, it looks more and more ominous to me. This latest foreclose 'rescue' bill that was passed with the Fannie and Freddie bail out tucked into it is a joke. It is way too little way too late and will only help a few people in foreclosure IF their lenders agree to take a write-down, which so far, lenders have been loathe to do. FDIC is fine as long as it isn't needed, but how can the US government back up all these banks when the government itself is broke and broken? Things will be fine until the next big bank fails, at which point I think it will get beyond ugly.
Another thing--they're talking about putting the Federal Reserve chairman in charge of regulating investment banks and hedge funds. Talk about putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
I wanted to calm people down by writing this, but the fact is we are doomed. If everyone wasn't so zoned out we'd all be stringing up our leaders right now instead of fooling around on the internet.
nice piece of work with lot of useful information...it helps thanks
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I just finished a hub pgrundy that relates to the weakness of the banking system. I hope you come over and comment. There are some really disturbing things happening and I have a recent comment from Roubini as well. I am worried about the banking system. They are not telling us how bad it is and are hoping it will pass, believe me. I usually don't post links but these two hubs are very related: http://hubpages.com/hub/How-Safe-Is-My-FDIC-Bank-A
Way to put it all in a nice little package!
thanks
Great Hub. Here is some additional information. First, a husband and wife can have up to $400,000 of insurance at each bank. They would open two separate, single accounts and a joint account. The single accounts are insured up to $100,000 and joint accounts are insured separately up to $200,000.
Secondly, you can add anyone these days as a POD beneficiary (there use to be some qualifications). POD accounts are considered as a separate account and insured separately from the above. So with a child, and the above scenario you would have up to $600,000 of insurance. POD (Payable upon Death) beneficiaries only receive the funds if you pass away, thus you don't have to trust them a signer on the account. When you do these type of accounts, POD must be on the actual title of the account.
Finally, the FDIC temporary increased coverage up to $250,000. This is set to expire 12/31/09 so if you have over that amount and the increase is not extended or made permanent, watch the calendar.
And one more thing. You can look up the financials of any FDIC insured bank at http://www2.fdic.gov/idasp/index.asp
Thanks for the info bankman!
Thanks for the informative hub! People should rest assured that their deposits are insured. I think people don't quite trust that the government will fulfil its promise to cover lost deposits, so the government probably needs to be more vocal about its commitment.
Here in Japan we have deposit insurance and during the 90s the cap on deposit insurance was lifted completely (so it was unlimited) but people still pulled their money out of unhealthy banks, putting them in the postal bank (then gov't owned) or others, or in cash under the mattress. People just don't trust their governments enough to risk their life savings, insurance or not. So the government has to be crystal clear and unequivocal about its intentions to cover any lost deposit.
Your last words sum everything up:
"It's only money"
But I have 1 change to make:
"It's only paper"
These bit's of paper we wave around don't mean squat. All the banks are going to stop soon anyway.
Hi Andy,
Thanks for your comments. Yes, I fear you are right. Paper will be worth not much (except in the bathroom) very soon here. I'm preparing as best I can, but I don't think anybody can really prepare. It won't be pretty.





























CJStone says:
12 months ago
Have you seen the film Zeitgeist Pam? It contains an interesting sequence on the economic system which Ron Paul has been using, which basically suggest that the Great Depression was manufactured in order to create economic failure, so that the big institutions could buy up failing smaller ones at a premium. Don't know. Maybe it's all happening again. Whatever, until they democratise the money system true democracy can't exist.