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By Bard of Ely


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Keith Allen and Bard of Ely in Rebecca's Daughters
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Celebrities are often not how we expect them to be

All of us have actors and actresses, pop stars, rock singers, musicians, sports stars and other celebrities who we admire and maybe even idolise or think of as heroes and heroines but it often turns out that such people are nothing like how we imagine them to be. Sometimes they turn out to be wonderful people and the image we have of them is well justified but other times we may end up shocked by how a person we are a fan of turns out to be in real life.

I have met a lot of famous musicians and quite a few film stars too over the years and as a younger man I was very disappointed with how I found some people I was a fan of to actually be when I met them. The interesting thing about it is although I may have been very disappointed with them as people I still continued to be just as much a fan of their music.

Two examples are Captain Beefheart and Marc Bolan of Tyrannosaurus Rex and T Rex fame.

Back in the 70s I had paid to see Captain Beefheart playing at the Student's Union in Cardiff. I had first discovered his unique brand of psychedelic and surreal blues and experimental rock on the late greatJohn Peel's show and was a big fan of his music.

However, as it turned out the audience were kept waiting well over an hour and I discovered why. Captain Beefheart was sat in the passage that led to the toilets and he was autographing anything fans brought him. By anything I mean anything - clothes, tickets, hats, bodies even. He was just making a squiggle with a felt marker pen and then it was the next one's turn.

To my mind we had paid money to see him on stage not doing what he was doing and it annoyed me. I could see the queue was long and that the wait for him to actually perform was going to be a long one. I got in the queue and hatched a plan.

When it was finally my turn I brought out a cigarette and said "Please sign this and then I'm going to smoke it in protest!"

"You can't do that," a girl said, "not if the Captain writes on it."

"Just watch me," I responded and when he scrawled across it, I immediately lit up and started smoking. "I came to watch you play," I said, "and this is what I think of the show so far," I added as I stubbed out the cigarette.

"You c**t," was all Captain Beefheart said. I sold my ticket on the door and cleared off to another venue having registered my protest. I wouldn't have minded if he had been seeing fans after the show but keeping us waiting like that wasn't what I had paid my money for. I still love his music though.

Marc Bolan was another act I had discovered on Peel's show and had most of his albums. Unicorn was one of my favourite records and I had come to think of Marc as being very much part of the '60s hippy alternative culture. I loved the unique way he sang and his mystic Tolkienesque words and cosmic imagery. I was just as much a fan of his new electrified T Rex as the old acoustic Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Marc Bolan and T Rex were playing the Top Rank in Cardiff and of course I was there to watch him live.It was at the time of the album Beard of Stars with great songs like Ride A White Swan and By The Light of a Magical Moon.

I needed no encouragement to start dancing when Marc asked us to do so. As usual there were a lot of people standing or just sitting on the floor and in those days I often ended up being one of the first people dancing. This time it all went very badly wrong because a bouncer grabbed me, pulled me up the stairs, punched me in the mouth and threw me out of an exit doorway.

I was hurt, bleeding, shocked and had lost my jacket, which I had left on a chair inside the venue. I made my way to the reception desk in the front and explained what had happened. I told the girl working there that I had only done what Marc Bolan had suggested we do and this was how I got treated. She wouldn't let me back in though until the gig had finished.

I found my coat and made my way up to the stage area where Marc was enjoying the attention of a large group of fans. I managed to get his attention eventually and complained about what had happened to me.

All he said was "Well, what the f*ck do you expect me to do?" and carried on chatting to some girls. There was no sympathy, and he didn't appear at all sorry. I thought he could have at least said how terrible it was, or got me my money back or something. It was a far cry from his hippy songs and image. Perhaps that's all it was - an image?

Actor Keith Allen has been portrayed as "hell-raiser" but I found him very approachable and friendly. I was an extra in the Welsh comedy film Rebecca's Daughters, directed by Karl Francis, and Keith was playing the role of Davy, a man with a pet piglet. The story by Dylan Thomas was about the Rebecca Riots in which a group of villagers banded together in rebellion against the English landowners and unfair toll-gates. So they couldn't be identified the men blacked their faces and wore women's clothes. Keith was happy to pose for a photo with me on the set of Rebecca's Daughters with me dressed as a "daughter."

Besides being a very successful actor Keith has also had several hits including Vindaloo by Fat Les.

On the same film set I also got to meet Joely Richardson who was playing the heroine Rhiannon. Like Keith I found her to be happy to talk to me and she posed for a photo with me. I gave her a tape of some of my songs and she said she had been playing it in her car on the way back to London. She said her favourite was my song Always Look So Fine.

Gruff Rhys of the Super Furry Animals I got to meet at a Neil Young tribute night in Cafe Calcio in Cardiff. I was impressed with how friendly he was. Gruff bought me a beer and I told him I had an EP out and that it was on sale in Spillers Records. Gruff said he would buy it when he was next in town and he did. That meant a lot to me. I have met Gruff at various local events in Cardiff - at gigs in Clwb Ifor Bach, or the "Welsh Club" as it is commonly known, and even at a final year student's art exhibition at a college in the city. That Gruff supports the local music scene and would spare the time to go and see a friend's art college work is something else that shows what a really great person he is.

In conclusion I would add that we must remember that art and the artist are two separate things, and a famous star's public image is something else again. We cannot expect how we picture someone famous to be right based on their work and what we have read about them. We may well find that they are not as we thought they would be in real life but that is no reason not to appreciate what they create and are famous for.

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Hovalis profile image

Hovalis  says:
15 months ago

It's true. I think we go into a situation where they are present with certain expectations. The truth is that they are not obligated to meet them, if you know what I mean. I've met a few 'famous' people, mostly through conventions. Okay, they were Star Trek and Farscape conventions. Do I need to paint a geek picture of myself? Some of the actors were wonderful and giving and great to have drinks in the bar with (which we did), others preferred to keep to themselves. Some were outgoing, and some were not. Some were arrogant, some were not. Just the normal spectrum of human nature you would expect at any gathering. I suppose the thing to do if you are in that situation is to try and drop the expectation, which is easier said than done!

mistyhorizon2003 profile image

mistyhorizon2003  says:
15 months ago

This hub is so true Steve, and if you get a chance (unless you have already), you should try reading my Hub http://hubpages.com/hub/Oliver-Reed-in-Guernsey as this perfectly illustrates that our assumptions about a famous person's personality are not always correct when they are being themselves away from the spotlight.

Great Hub as always.

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for your comments, Hovalis and Cindy!

Cindy, yes, I read your interesting hub about Oliver Reed.

pgrundy  says:
15 months ago

Steve, so true, and it just makes the idolization of stars and celebrities and so forth all the more silly and insane. I know at my last job I was surrounded by women (adult women!) who talked about Tom Cruise and Brittany Spears as if they knew them personally. They were always talking about their love lives and at first I thought they were talking about people at work, until I realized "Tom" was Tom Cruise the actor! LOL! I can't imagine it myself. I'm lucky if I can keep my own life just marginally sorted out--no time for the famous here! Thanks for an entertaining hub!

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for posting, Pam! I am "lucky if I can keep my own life marginally sorted out" too!

Amanda Severn profile image

Amanda Severn  says:
15 months ago

HI Bard,

Thanks for the interesting insight into the behaviour of famous people. I guess there are good and bad in all walks of life, which is only reasonable as they are mostly just ordinary people, who have talents or abilities that happen to make them of interest to others. I don't know any famous people personally, and I don't have a big range of encounters to draw on, although as a one time resident of Brighton I've seen quite a few celebs flitting around (David Jason, Kim and Aggie, Dora Bryant, Denis Waterman, Simon West, to name but several) I'd recommend Brighton to any stargazer, as it seems to draw quite an arty crowd.

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for your feedback, Amanda! And The Levellers band are based there!

JYOTI KOTHARI profile image

JYOTI KOTHARI  says:
15 months ago

Dear,

Nice hub. My experience matches with you.

Jyoti Kothari

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for posting!

Chef Jeff profile image

Chef Jeff  says:
15 months ago

When I lived in Galena they were making a movie called "Field of Dreams."  The stars were usually out of plain sight, but occasionally when shooting a scene they would be close enough to touch.

Kevin Costner was pleasant, signed autographs and chatted with people.

Burt Lancaster was also pleasant enough, but he upset people at restaurants by being too demanding and throwing temper fits.

James Earl Jones was through and through a perfect gentleman.  I had seen him when Conan the Barbarian was being filmed in Spain, and I mentioned to a few friends that I had spoken briefly with him. 

Later, Mr. Jones came up to us and tilted his head, narrowed his eyes and asked if he and I had met.  Before I could answer he mentioned Spain, Conan and the brief encounter.

To this day I don't know if he truly remembered that half-a-minute of time or if he had overheard me talking with my friends.  It doesn't matter - he took a moment from his busy life to acknowledge a fan, and he made a life-long fan of me.

I have met singers, bands and stars and I agree - sometimes they are very different than what we at first believe them to be. 

Sometimes it is a good thing to remember that people are not made noble and pleasant by their fame.  Some people are born with class, others never learn that lesson.

Great hub, and I too did like Captain Beefheart, even if he was an idiot.

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for sharing your experiences, Chef Jeff!

Jerilee Wei profile image

Jerilee Wei  says:
15 months ago

Great point and hub! Haven't met too many famous artists, but your premise especially applies to politicians and leaders of countries (at least the ones I've met).

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for posting, Jerilee!

Chef Jeff profile image

Chef Jeff  says:
15 months ago

When I was a child I met John F. Kennedy at a rally he held in Bensenville, IL. My dad took me there and Kennedy stopped, patted me on the head and gave me an autograph. (Later a kid at school took it from me!)

We also went to see Richard Nixon, who was a long distance away from the crowd and never got close enough to shake hands.

I believe that is why Kennedy won that election, because he could feel comfortable and makle you feel comfortable.

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marisuewrites  says:
15 months ago

Very interesting Bard of Ely!!  One time my husband and I saved our money and paid quite a bit to see a small performance by Mel Tillis.  It was supposed to be a little club performance that would allow us to see him up close and personal, dancing, dinner, etc.  We had looked forward to it for some time.

The performace was very disappointing!  His band sang for a long time, they all had attitudes, Mel Tillis came out after 2 hours and sang 2 songs and it was over.  It was amazing that he didn't get tomatoes thrown at him in protest. 

You could tell he thought the occasion was beneath him, what was he doing in that "hick" town, etc.  I really wanted my money back!

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thanks for sharing that, Marisue! It's such a disappointment when things like that happen!

magnoliazz profile image

magnoliazz  says:
15 months ago

This is an interesting hub. I will never really understand people's fascination with the rich and famous. To me the famous are not real people, they are a carefully built up image of what people wish to see and pay hard earned money for. One thing is for sure, they owe everything to their fans. Without the fans there would be no famous people, something they should all remember.

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

My personal fascination is usually because I am a fan of their music!

And of course I'd love to be rich and famous too! lol

Christoph Reilly profile image

Christoph Reilly  says:
15 months ago

A great read! Your stories are very interesting. It's true, the real people behind the image are rarely known, and it can be shocking to some to find out that their hero (or whatever) isn't what they thought they were. Thanks!

P.S. I used your avatar in my new hub about avatars. Just letting you know in case you want me to remove it.

dineane profile image

dineane  says:
15 months ago

I think the only *famous* person I've ever met was Michael Jordan. I was a student at UNC, and it was only a year, maybe two, after he graduated. We were at a bar on Franklin St late, no crowd, and one of my friends - a huge fan - could not resist approaching him. She said something apologetic like "I know you've been shaking hands all night, but I'm a huge fan, and I can't resist." His response was, "No one has shaken my left hand." She of course melted when he extended his left hand. And yes, I got to shake it after she did.

I never met him, but I had friends who worked at the NC Outer Banks that said good ole Andy Griffith was a beligerant customer in restaurants.

Another great hub, Bard. Celebs are really just people, too.

Bard of Ely profile image

Bard of Ely  says:
15 months ago

Thank you Christoph and Dineane! And Christoph, its fine with me that you are giving me a bit more publicity! I am on my way over to have a look!

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