Where archetypes live
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Jungian Archetypes: Jung, Gödel, and the History of Archetypes
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Jungian Archetypes
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A Jungian archetype is a psychic constant [1], a feature of the mind possessed and experienced by all humans, perhaps by all beings. There are indications that numbers, small numbers at least, are archetypes birds experience, since some birds eem to be able to differentiate between different sized small groups. For humans archetypes are generally human. They occur in various contexts, for example the Jungian archetype “The Wise Old Man” arises as the Old Testament Jehova, the Emperor in the Tarot and Odin in the Norse myths (sorry about the “old” Odin). The Maiden arises as the Virgin Mary, and the Trickster turns up everywhere, usually when least expected. The archetype is common to all cultures but the experience differs from culture to culture. A Christian may see the Virgin Mary, a buddhist might see Kwan Yin.
Where is the collective unconscious?
Archetypes supposedly reside in the “Collective Unconscious”, an area of the subconscious common to all humans. To avoid the idea that the Collective Unconscious is a form of Morphogenetic field [2] or worse a paranormal phenomenon, or stored outside the brain some proponents of the theory say everyone has a copy of this collective unconsciousness. The problem is that there seems to be no neurological correlate of the collective unconsciousness. Perhaps no one has looked for one, or they have looked in the wrong place.
At present I can see the following alternatives. The Collective Unconscious is stored in the Brain, in the body as a whole, perhaps in the DNA, or outside the body. I think there may be problems with all these theories.
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The DNA Theory
Graham Hancock[3] summarises a theory by Narby [4] that our DNA holds coded messages. This is partly based on the fact that the distribution of sequences in human Junk DNA follows a distribution common to languages and very different from the non-junk DNA. There is some confirmation for this idea in that researchers have managed to store textual information in DNA, but it is not clear what would disprove the theory that JUNK DNA holds coded messages. Hancock notes that different hallucinogenic drugs are associated with different experiences and speculates that each drug allows the user to tap into different realities with one particular drug tapping into the DNA message bank. It is important to note however that methods not involving drugs can also let the user tap into different realities, and I do not know of any experiments where the participant was given a placebo rather than a real drug.
Hancock's use of Narby's ideas is appealing and leads to the speculation – without further research it can only be speculation – that Junk DNA is the home of the collective unconscious. This would elegantly solve the problems of how we all come to have the same collective unconscious, except that DNA changes with time. Some form of stable self correction may have arisen in our DNA but research is needed to establish if this. Hancock's suggestion that some (ancient?) intelligence programmed messages into our DNA seems untestable, but if it were true one would have expected that they would have found a way to prevent their messages being corrupted over time. Whether that is a more elegant or believable solution than the notion that we all tap into some sort of psychic field – and some of Jung's reported experiences suggest a paranormal component to his theory – is an open question.
It would seem that if there is a physical basis for the collective unconsciousness it would have to have holograph like properties or very sophisticated correction against self copying. As far as I know there is no evidence for such structures in either the brain or the DNA
Outside the body?
The idea that every one of us has an identical copy of the same collective unconsciousness seems to me to have serious problems whether the storage medium is neurons or DNA, although the apparent evolution of perception of Elves and Fairies into gray aliens hints at long term changes in the collective unconscious.
The idea of the collective unconsciousness being stored outside the body leaves the gates open to Freud's “Black Mud of the Occult”, or at least Sheldrake's Morphogenetic fields [2]. It suggests that the collective unconsciousness is some sort of pool into which each of us can dip as needed.
Experiences reported by investigators of this pool also suggests it has inhabitants. And if we agree that it has inhabitants a quick scan of the darker sides of human nature suggests that it contains monsters. Some of these beings may have reached a stage of being self maintaining: not needing any single human not even needing the human race. It also provides a basis for practical sorcery, using the inhabitants of the collective unconscious to work our will on others.
Summary
The empirical observation that the human mind seems to have experience of universal forms. Jung's archetypes, and the notion each of us has a copy of Jung's collective unconscious raises the question of where it is located. Each proposed location raises problems. If it is in the brain it is unclear where it might be. If it is in the DNA it is not clear why, having no apparent survival value it has not decayed in the multimillion year life span of the human race. If the collective unconscious is stored outside the brain then there is the possibility of a parallel plane of existence influencing and possibly influenced by Humanity but separate from it and possibly not depending on us for its existence.
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Further reading
1.Jungian Archetypes by Robin Robertson, Nicholas Hays Inc, 1995, ISBN 0 89254 029 X
2.A new Science of life, Rupert Sheldrake, Blond and Briggs 1981
3.Supernatural: Graham Hancock, Arrow Books 2006
4.The cosmic serpent: Jeremy Narby, Gollancz 1998
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Thanks DynamicS. I think the collective fears you mentioned may be historical rather than archetypal, for example they may have been in desert for milleni and onte thing about large bodies of water is anything could be in them











DynamicS says:
6 months ago
Alexk2009, very intersting article about the collective unconscious. I like Jung's theories and I am very interested in the collective unconscious. What you said about the location of it is very interesting.
There are some patterns of behaviours that are prevalent in certain race of people, such as fear of large bodies of water, I would assume that this is a collective unconscious within that group? If this is correct then does this originate from the brain/mental/emotional??? (I hope that I'm not simplifying the topic)
Great hub. I look forward to reading your other insightful hubs. I am a fan.