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By Chef Jeff


 

By Chef Jeff

Just the other day I heard on NPR that one of the last surviving WWI veterans, Frank Woodruff Buckles, now 107, was being treated to a special party. In the 1930's, he would have been given a different kind of party, especially if he was one of the WWI vets who participated on the March on Washington and lived in a Hooverville encampment.

You see, vets have not always been appreciated, especially after the war is over and people want to move on with their lives. No one wants to linger long on the terrible subject of war; neither those who watched it from afar, nor those who participated in it.

Just the same, it's usually easier for a non-vet to move on, especially if they didn't lose anyone in the war, than it often is for the vet. In WWI, "The Great war", there was something medics called "Shell Shock", which was the reaction soldiers had to any loud, sudden noises. In WWII they called it combat fatigue, and recently we have a full-fledged medical term, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, or PTSD.

These are all different words for the same thing - anyone who sees terrible things, witnessed powerful, horrible events is subject to PTSD. Soldiers are not the only ones to suffer from it, but our veterans are more likely than others to suffer from it.

The War to End All Wars?

Making an enemy into an animalistic caricature is one propaganda technique often used to vilify others.  Pundits use the same techniques every day on TV and radio!
Making an enemy into an animalistic caricature is one propaganda technique often used to vilify others. Pundits use the same techniques every day on TV and radio!

My old friend, now departed, Bob Bainbridge, was also WWI vet, and he trembled uncontrollably when he recalled the trenches. He wanted to speak with me about it, since I am also a vet, and he told me about the struggles he had, personally, and on behalf of other WWI vets, when they had to literally fight the government to get the things they had been promised for their having volunteer to go "Over There".

World War Two Saw More Propaganda

People of "other" ethnic groups are so easy to make into funny images, aren't they?  reminds me of Ann Coulter's "Camel Jockey" and "Towel Head" remarks.  No wonder it was so easy for the U.S. and Canada to put citizens of Japanese descent into camps
People of "other" ethnic groups are so easy to make into funny images, aren't they? reminds me of Ann Coulter's "Camel Jockey" and "Towel Head" remarks. No wonder it was so easy for the U.S. and Canada to put citizens of Japanese descent into camps

Another friend I met while stationed in Spain was Max, who participated in the Normandy landings in 1944. His boat was in the first wave and just as soon as the door dropped, the men were all killed or wounded by a German machine gun that was right in front of the vessel. Max was in the back, and the men fell backwards against him, burying him and pinning him at the back of the ship. He had to endure the long trip back to England under the dead and wounded comrades he had spent his entire Army career with up to that point. He was the only one unwounded, and one of the few to survive.

Every year at the end of May Max would begin trembling, drinking, swearing and he got angry over everything. He would check into the hospital, which is where I first met him, and mumble incoherently as the valium began to take effect. He would stay semi-comatose under the drugs until the middle of June, after which he would slowly come out of it and resume his normal life.

A shocking poster image from the Korean COnflict

We had the bomb, as this poster points out.
We had the bomb, as this poster points out.

My friend John was in Korea, where he was nearly captured as his unit was overrun just after Chinese troops entered the war. He had blood on his jacket and he was able to hold his breath long enough to pass for dead, and as the lone Chinese soldier who walked by bayoneting the wounded turned his back, John reached up, pulled the man to the ground, and slit his throat. This was the only time John had ever killed a man. John, you see, was a medic. The wounded were patients in his M.A.S.H. unit. John was also the lone survivor, and was only saved when a sudden counter-attack by allied troops took back the camp.

And of course Viet Nam was a "special war".

In Viet Nam posters had become less effective as recruiting and propganda tools, but they were still around.
In Viet Nam posters had become less effective as recruiting and propganda tools, but they were still around.
 

My other friend John was in Viet Nam. He was drafted, so he went because he had to. He didn't believe in the war, protested it vigorously, but went when his number came up. One other friend asked him, ‘Why are you going when you hate the war'? He replied, "If I don't go, some other guy will have to". John, a U. S. Marine, died in Viet Nam, killed by a booby trap as he tried to disarm it and save the lives of others in his platoon.

It's easy to blame all unpatriotic statements and actions one one group or another.  The attacks by Sunshine Patriots on those who disagree with them, or who propose a different way of resolving conflicts, is just another way of diverting public atte
It's easy to blame all unpatriotic statements and actions one one group or another. The attacks by Sunshine Patriots on those who disagree with them, or who propose a different way of resolving conflicts, is just another way of diverting public atte

As a Civil War re-enactor, our unit goes to participate in early June at the V.A. home in Milwaukee. We get to see and interact with many of the veterans there, men who largely are forgotten by their families and friends. It seems odd that as soon as someone is injured, or suffers from stress-induced mental illness, people abandon him or her. Veterans suffer deeply, some more than others, but if you dig enough, you'll find, I truly believe, that all vets have some memories that trouble them. It is a shame that vets who most need personal contact with other human beings are deprived of that simply because it is inconvenient, or uncomfortable, for us to see them with their injuries.

And when they die in the service to their nation, people forget their sacrifice, forget that what they did could have been worked out some other way. I have certainly had my share of people yelling in my face, first because I served at the end of an unpopular war, Viet Nam, and later because I said aloud that Viet Nam was a needless war, a politicians' war, brought about by ignorance, unreasonable fear, willful pride and the stubborn inability to talk first. It was also a war where few people of wealth, or the sons of the same, fought. Their fathers screamed "Do your patriotic duty!" but refused to allow their sons to participate. That is why, perhaps, the Credence Clearwater song Fortunate Son was such a popular hit amongst the troops "over there".

Lately, talking with potential foes has been likened to appeasement. But to me appeasement is when you needlessly give up things in a vain attempt to allay a bully. It is used by fools who think if they just give in, then war will be prevented. It is operating from a position of weakness, with the vain hope that if you ignore a bully, he will go away.

Diplomacy is the vigorous give and take that can often reduce tensions, leading to a peaceful, or at least less bloody, reduction of anger. It is backed up by power, by the notion that if the talks are not entered into seriously, then war may be the result. It is bargaining from a position of strength.

Propaganda is the antagonist of diplomacy, and we, as a nation, must be wary of the jingoistic propaganda being forwarded by people who have an agenda to push. Talking with Iran or Cuba does not mean we have to mindlessly give up our areas of interest, our important national goals, just to get an agreement. It simply means that we first try to resolve the conflict, from a position of diplomatic and military strength, and then if that doesn't work, and if it's in the national best interest, we take it to the next level, and possibly to the level after that, if again, it is in our best national interest.

That said, I, as a veteran, do not want people who are paid to spout their opinions on TV, radio and in the printed press to make policy, make demands for war, and to influence people to support idiotic ideas. These, I most heartily agree, are the Sunshine Patriots we read about in Social Studies class.

Read your Thomas Paine and learn the truth about who these Sunshine Patriots are, what they want you to do, and why they are unwilling to fight themselves, but are perfectly willing to send you, your sons and daughters, into deadly combat for ideas and ideologies that are most likely NOT in the best interest of the nation.

Sunshine Patriots are phonies who fire up the crowd and then deny any responsibility for the effects they have brought about. They set one group of people against another in order to force upon you their point of view, and then slink back while others, (meaning you), take the beating. They live amongst us, and we can hear them, see them, read their words, every day.

My father told me at an early age: Be careful when someone tells you to look over there, because that is when they slip the something past you. I pass this sage advice on to you: Be careful when a pundit tells you to focus on his or her agendas, because they are slipping something past you, and you may not even know it.

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In The Doghouse profile image

In The Doghouse  says:
2 years ago

Chef Jeff,

Several of my uncles fought in WWII. Two of them are my mother's brothers.. one came home and blamed God, the other praised God. Such different perspectives from two similarly raised men. Neither one of them ever wanted to talk of the carnage they had witnessed. My other uncle comes from my husbands side, but I am even closer to him. He has discussed many of his wartime adventures, but only done so recently, as he has aged. The stories are unbelieveable for one who has never witnessed these things first hand. I will ever be grateful for all of our wonderful veterans who have selflessly given to fight for what our nation believed to be right. War is simply a terrible thing, it would be wonderful if all conflicts could be settled peacefully...but wickedness abounds and for now, I am afraid that is not a reality. Thanks for the warning at the end of your Hub, I am afraid that there is a lot that is slipping past all of us.

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white atlantic  says:
2 years ago

great work .it s glad to see ur hubs

white atlantic profile image

white atlantic  says:
2 years ago

great work .it s glad to see ur hubs

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MrMarmalade  says:
2 years ago

In The Doghouse says:

one came home and blamed God, the other praised God. Such different perspectives from two similarly raised men. Neither one of them ever wanted to talk of the carnage they had witnessed. My other uncle comes from my husbands side, but I am even closer to him. He has discussed many of his wartime adventures, but only done so recently, as he has aged. The stories are unbelievable for one who has never witnessed these things first hand. I will ever be grateful for all of our wonderful veterans who have selflessly given to fight for what our nation believed to be right. War is simply a terrible thing, it would be wonderful if all conflicts could be settled peacefully...but

This is a great hub.

Val's Father died in WW11 in Egypt. She worked for 16 years at the War Vets Hospital and her tales relate to the above in so many ways. The horror and all

It took our Viet Nam Vet almost 25 years to be recognized in Australia.

Thank you for putting it all together.

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Constant Walker  says:
2 years ago

Excellent hub, Chef. My step-grandfather was in the Korean War, and very rarely - in fact only 2 or 3 times that I can remember, he would relate specific incidents. Little snapshots of the hell he lived through. I could only sit there with my mouth hanging open - they were horrific accounts. He was an incredibly strong man, right up to the end.

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ColdWarBaby  says:
2 years ago

This has become, probably my favorite quote.

There is no way to Peace. Peace is the Way.

zylla3philippines  says:
2 years ago

Excellent way of remembering our veterans. Thanks to your service to the country, too.

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SweetiePie  says:
2 years ago

Today I saw a poster on a van that read "Nothing is free, support the troops to ensure freedom."  Not matter how much people protest the current war in Iraq there is no denying that our freedom has been ensured in the past by men and women who were willing to fight for our country.  Both my grandpas fought in World War II  and my dad and my uncle served in Vietnam.  The reception given to these two generations was very different.  My grandparents were treated as heros whereas my uncle was spit at in the streets when he came back from Vietnam.  My dad never encountered hostile treatment, but he felt very sad about all the people that died in that war. Veterans from every war era experience shell shock and feelings of regret to some degree, which is why we do read about the occasional account of enemies celebrating Christmas together, even though these accounts are usually not listed in official records.  War is never a pretty or beautiful thing, but we should give our veterans the respect they deserve and never treat them as second class citizens.  Veterans are ready and willing to fight and go to places that many of us would not want to be, so I feel we must all respect them no matter our views on war. Great hub and thanks for sharing.

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Storytellersrus  says:
2 years ago

One of my favorite books is a book about World War I, titled, A Very Long Engagement by Sébastien Japrisot. It depicts the horrors of war in the trenches and also enduring love.

My high school graduating class was the last to experience the draft. It's taken me years to even want to listen to music from that era, as I experienced so many conflicting feelings about all aspects of Vietnam. I did not serve. There was such a feeling of betrayal on many, many levels.

I am finally able to begin processing it all. I began the process when I stood beside the traveling Vietnam Wall and cried for those of my generation lost. Then, I spent time with vets from the Tenth Mountain Division and began a book about three generations affected by a grandfather's experience climbing Riva Ridge during WW2.

Certainly war is one of the most difficult issues for everyone. There is nothing easy about it.

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Chef Jeff  says:
2 years ago

Doghouse, there are many kinds of veterans - the ones I meet on a regular basis have a look to their eyes, it's called "the 1,000 yard stare", and what they have seen and maybe even what they have been forced to do, do not rest easy in the mind.

Imagine the most horrible thing you can think of, and then try to explain it to another.  As a medic, we often joked that we carried a syringe in our left hand, and a .45 in our right.

Medics were not supposed to be armed, but imagine being in a firefight unarmed.  Some medics refused to carry a weapon, while others were armed. That red cross they used to put on the helmet was a great target, too.  And the other side knew that if you took out the medic, the wounded would die.

Cruel mathematics, war.

My hat is off to your uncles who fought in WWII.  They joined my recently deceased father as the last of The Greatest Generation.

As for blaming or praising God - men who have been in combat either become instant believers, or they curse God for allowing this to happen.  Either way, convictions forged in combat take on extra importance to those who shape them. 

I only remember praying a lot, and it was while in the Air Force that I decided to become a Christian.  I simply had to believe that what we were doing had some importance far beyond what our leaders told us, and I hold that conviction to this very day. In that I joined the likes of C.S. Lewis, who was a WWI veteran and wrote much about his experiences as a Christian fighting in a terrible war.

I saw many others go the opposite direction, becoming out and out athiests.  They are as secure in their beliefs as I am in mine, forged under the same circumstances, but with tremendously different outcomes.

We remain good friends to this very day, in spite of our differing views on God and politics and many other aspects of human life, because we also learned to respect each other.  It's a bond that many peole feel after harsh experiences.

I have learned to hate war, but to expect it.

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robie2  says:
2 years ago

My father was a career naval officer who had command of a submarine in the Pacific during WWII. He never talked much about his experiences, but on the few occasions that he did, I realized that he had seen and done things I could not begin to relate to and that these had marked and wounded him deeply. On the other hand, his bond with those he went to war with was lifelong and profound and I think he felt more "alive" during that period than any other time in his life....a strange dichotomy.

Thanks for the reminder of the human toll of war. This was a very moving piece of writing and one obviously deeply felt by you. Thank you so much for another thought-provoking, excellent hub.

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Netters  says:
13 months ago

Very, very good article. Great writing. My Dad was in the Battle of the Bulge, he received a Silver Star for bravery. I loved to hear his stories, which he would only tell if you bugged him. He didn't like to talk about it. He went in as a rifleman but they made him a medic. He always said there were braver men that deserved the Silver Star. Especially the ones he couldn't save. Gee I miss him, he passed away 5 years ago. Thank you so much for the article.

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Chef Jeff  says:
13 months ago

Well, a huge thanks to all who have family member who served or is serving the nation in times of war and peace.  They left us a huge set of shoes to fill.  My greatest hope is that fellow vets will no longer needlessly suffer from PTSD and from the painful wounds, both physical and mental, that occur after being in war.

Netters, I, too, was a medic, but fortunately was never in a battle as bloody as The Bulge.  I recently also lost my dad, a WWII vet, and I know how you feel missing him.  Dad and I grew very close after a rocky start when I was a cocky teenager who thought I knew it all.

Thanks for sharing your heartfelt and warm memories about your dad.

Cheers!

Chef Jeff

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AEvans  says:
13 months ago

My Uncle was also in the Vietnam war and he told me that when he was there he had to kill a child or the child would have blown up the entire group of soldiers. He still has issues until this day.

My father served in WWII however is is no longer with us but was a very proud ARMY soldier he told me once that serving his country was the right thing to do, and kids now days would end up running the other way if they brough the draft back. However he would be proud of his great-grandson if he were here as my nephew now serves in the U.S. ARMY. Our concern is IRAQ still to this day as we have lost so many, and the media does not have any business being there and reporting or glorifying the situation, as being at WAR is not anything that any of our soldiers want to be in.

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Chef Jeff  says:
13 months ago

Soldiers serve, as is their duty, but today they serve because they believe in something bigger than themselves.  In WWII the soldiers also served for something bigger than they were, and they knew when they got the job done it would help prevent their sons, daughters and grandchildren from being sent into a world war.

Of course, wars always seem to occur, so I guess we can all expect to see soldiers being sent off to fight.  I support our troops but I can no longer support our commander in chief, so I am glad we will have an election that will see one or another person step in as our new president.

thanks for the comment!

Cheers!

Chef Jeff

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Chef Jeff  says:
13 months ago

I'm making a spoecial comment because today is Veteran's Day, once known as Armistace Day. When I was in the classroom I would start off by telling the students about the end of WWI.'

"At the eleventh hour of the eleventh day in the eleventh month, the Great War ended. Soldiers went out of the trenches and stared at each other, wondering who or what or why and even how they could have come to this miserable state of being. How could one man hate anothyer so much that he wanted to kill him? Artillery men for the first time went across the front to see the horrible effects of their shellings; bodies ripped apart, arms torn from torsoes, and much worse.

"Some were physically sick at what they saw; skeletons of long dead men who had been eaten by fat rats, the bones dirty and watersoakied in the trenches. War was no longer a "Patriotic Duty" or a fight for the mother land or father land. It had been reduced to just the dead and the alive. There was no other thing in the world at that moment, just the living and the dead, and the dead no longer felt the intense hatred that had started this war. So,m the living reasoned, why should we.

"At that moment men wept and shook hands, embraced in peace, drank champagne or anything they could get, and knew they would soon go home with too many memories and too many doubts. A generaqtion of soldiers had passed into a generation of mourners, men who could no longer see life as they had seen it when they entered the military forces.

"And now silence ruled where once shells explodede, men shouted in hatred and anger, or in agony as they died. No airplanes flew over head, no bombs were dropped, and no men were dying after hearing the bullet thud into their chests or heads.

"Somehow, unexpectedly, everything came to ahlt, and men wept for joy, and also for sadness. The Great War had ended. It was time for The Great Peace."

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