Why Did the Rich Vote for Obama?
77Rich Obama Supporters
I would like to answer a question: Why did so many of the rich vote for Obama? As examples I can site: Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, George Soros, and Donald Trump. At least we can say they all supported Barack Obama in the most recent campaign with contributions. So did Wall Street and big business as their contributions also went mostly to the Democratic Party. It seems to defy common sense as the Democratic Party supposedly represents people who have less wealth not more wealth. Indeed the democrats are for higher taxes, regulations, income redistribution, and (supposedly) equality. These are all things that presumably would make the rich less rich. So why did the rich support the Obama?
Let me first offer some possibilities other than the reason I have in mind. For one it's part of being elite now in America. It’s part of fitting in with the crowd. It's also part of getting along with the leftist media. Another theory is that the very rich having more money than they need tend to value stability. So if a system that presupposes that it represents the poor is in power what can the poor complain about? Nothing, hence stability is achieved. These may be partial reasons, but there is another reason that I think gets more to what we might call the psychological motivations of elitism.
To make sense of it we first have to consider human behavior. The elites want to be elite. They enjoy being elite. They work hard at becoming elite and at maintaining their elite status. Now the psychology of anyone in such an exclusive situation is that they want to protect the exclusivity of it. Once they get there they don’t just give up and become a bunch of philanthropists. Yes, I know that’s what they want you to believe. They might even believe it themselves, but the reality is they want to increase their status any way they can. In fact now that they are elite they want it to be harder for others to get that way.
It’s similar say to owning gold. If you owned gold would you be happy if they discovered a gold reserve with ten times the gold previously known? Or what if you just bought a stock you thought was going to go up a lot. Would you be happy if you found out they were going to issue more shares? Whatever your profession is imagine if 10,000 more highly qualified unemployed people of that same profession were moving to town. How would you feel? The reality is most people psychologically at least want to protect the exclusivity of what they have achieved relative to others. Most elites would psychologically like to see it harder to become elite. They would like to see the elite class move up relative to the other classes. That’s equivalent to what they have been working so hard to achieve. This is basic human psychology. Humans always want more even if they apparently have everything.
George Soros
Consider Georg Soros. He got rich by making investments. He is already as wealthy as wealthy can be. He found as he made even more money it didn’t continue to increase his status relative to others. Even ten times more money wasn’t going to make a difference. So he found himself in a situation where further gains in status through increasing his wealth were increasingly difficult. Do you think he gave up? No one day, after being rich for some time, George had an ingenious thought. He realized: he can move up relative to others only if their wealth decreases.It doesn't do any good for Soros to double his money yet again, and it doesn’t harm him to half it, but if he can half your money even if he thirds his own then his power relative to you increases. Why: he is still rich and can buy the same as before but you can't. His elite status is expanded by diminishing yours. It’s was his only option. It makes perfect sense from a psychological point of view.
OK, you say the elites want to be elites, but that still doesn’t explain why they favor the democrats. After all again you say the democrats are the party of the poor. They are the party of equality and so on. You say it still seems to defy common sense. My answer is: Have a look around the world. All the countries that have tried socialism have decreased their economic output. As economic output decreases it gets more and more difficult to join the elite circles.
Now, let’s go back to our theory. Please look at it from the psychological point of view. As economic output decreases the elites obtain more of what was getting increasingly difficult to obtain: exclusivity. Further since they are already richer than they need to be they can still buy everything they want, but now they are the only people in society that can do it. Their status is unimaginably increased. For those who now have less, and had little before, they are much worse off. The poor are always hit the worst especially the working poor. They are the dogs of any socialist society. So as socialist policies ensue the elites enhance their status by increasing the poverty of others. They get to do this all the while they also get to pretend they care. They are for the party of the poor.
Lets go back to George Soros. He was an investor. Do you think he isn't acutely aware that socialist policies reduce a nations economic output? Do you think he doesn't realize that when there is less output someone has to have less. Do you think he doesn't factor in that if the government confiscates money to give to leftist elites then that means even less yet still for some poor worker. He knows, but he's an elite. He's just trying to enhance his status.
Now there are other elite classes on the left. The Democratic Party has a broad spectrum of special interest groups that all share in the confiscated money taken mostly from the working middle classes and the poor. The Democratic Party doesn’t just represent the super rich it also represents these professional classes. These classes are also a form of elites. Their psychology is similar. In this way we can see how elitism is the central unifying force that holds the Democratic Party and the left together.
Let’s look at it from a regulations standpoint. Do you think the big companies want to end regulations? Who do you think has the advantage if hundreds or thousands of lawyers are necessary to produce a car a big company or a new startup? The same goes for any enterprise. Regulations favor established companies that can afford the lawyers, accountants and required bureaucracy to meet the regulations. Small companies can’t begin to compete. Do you think big companies want to increase their competition? Especially corrupt inefficient ones? No, that’s why Wall Street and big business support the democrats. So, yet another group of elites has joined to coalition.
In conclusion, the elites support the democrats because they want to enhance and protect their status.
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Found some evidence on the votes:
Under $50k per year was overwhelmingly Obama. $50 to $100K was pretty evenly spit. $100k to $200k was slightly for McCain. over $200k was for Obama - 52% - 46%.
Basically supports the theory. One can see that the almost elites 100-200k went for McCain. Why? They want to get into the elite catefory. Which therefore needs to expand slightly. It all makes perfect sense! And on those less than 50K voting for Obama. They'll get theirs they always do get hammered by socialist systems. When would they learn?
By the way my spell check is in Italian and I am a terrible speller!
Last time I looked, Obama wasn't a socialist. And the Social democracies of Western Europe were doing quite nicely, with a far smaller proportion of desperately poor people than you have in the good old USA.
1. They thought he would be a much better president.
2. They were turned off by the religious whack job McCain picked for VP.
3. They figured out early that Obama was likely to win and they wanted to be on the side of the winner.
4. They are quite a bit smarter than the McCain supporters.
5. They were fed up with the GOP after 8 years of Bush who lied us into a needless and costly war, violated the principle of separation of church and state, ignored the Constitution, alienated our friends and increased the number of our enemies, balooned the national debt, and cratered the economy. Need any more reasons Bertus?
Response to Paraglider
(Please note my spell check is now in Italian so words underlined in red (almost all) would be spelled in italian if I am not sure quite often!)
I would say he is quite socialist if he wants to move us further to the left. Our country is a fair bit on the way towards socialism already. Canada and some countries have not been immediatly obliterated by socialism. It sort of depends how extreme it is. I would argue that all countries suffer compared to what they could be. But thanks for your reasoned response as usuali!
The liberal wing of the Democratic Party isn't enraptured by Obama's choices for the cabinet and other key positions thus far. Most of them are moderate Democrats who served in the Clinton administration. Hardly a liberal Democrat in the bunch, let alone a Socialist. Graduated income tax is not Socialism. Neither is eschewing the torture of prisoners and denial of habeus corpus to the prisoners at Guantanamo or ending the war in Iraq.
Ralph:
You can add your reasons to the other reasons I also offered. But your missing the point. I could make a big list of reasons to vote against Obama also but I am argueing the psychology of elitism. And most of the flaws you point out in bush are attributable to leftist attributes he had for example the budget deficit is caused by spending. And not just war spending but social spending. I was not in any way defending the repulicans and would not in my articles unless its from falliicies and even then i avoid it. The debate needs to be about the direction our country moves socialist or free. There are always going to be idiotic politicians on either side. Appealing to the idiocy of politicians I think is a fallacy. Both sides do it endlessly to the detriment of our nation and even their own ability to educate others. Also please remember others may disagree with you and be motivated by truth and good. The left certainly has no inique (italian) claim to either of those ideas. (and has caused endless suffering in lots of countries, for example, Laos.) Just mention it because i visit there sometimes and watch the liberal communists view the destruction they have caused and yet they never realize its their fault so strange.
You are oversimplifying the issue down to two either-or alternatives--left and right when most of the issues have little or nothing to do with left or right. As in this video
I highly disagree that issues are not left or right. It may seem that way becuase political choices are grayed. For example, was McCain going to move us to the right? Not clear at all. But generally those on the left side move us quite quickly in one direction. And when they do the fact it is to the left is VERY important as it relates to the consequences. Those who say it's not left / right or it's not socialism generally are moving us in one certain direction. Socialism.
Why don't you take a look at the economic team Obama announced yesterday. Not a Socialist in the group. They all look pretty conservative to me. And why don't you get down to specifics on the issues rather than invoking the boogey man of Socialism?
Ralph, I am deliberately being general. Until people are able to see it from a general point of view they would always get lost in the specifics. Liberalism is a knee jerk phenomena. Believe me I can think like a liberal, and react to specific situations, but I can see the forest for the trees. Socialism is not a boogey man to scare people it has happened to more than half the planet with quite devastating consequences. To think we are somehow immune is absurd. It is an entropic situation that is impossible to escape becuase freedom is lost when it is entered. There is no going back at least not until the suffering is very great and the system collapses. If your telling me Obama and his team is conservative I simply don't believe you. Would government spending, taxation and regulations be reduced? Please you know thats not whats going on. If it is then I would be very happy I have nothing personal about the politics.
The rich voted for Obama because they are smart.
Under Bill Clinton, all of the classes prospered, including the rich, although they had their taxes raised at first. They made much more in the stock market than they lost in taxes.
However, when Bush cut their taxes, they may have been happy at first, but soon they began to lose money because the economy wasn't as healthy. This is why we need Bush tax cuts repealed. The only people they benefit are the rich, and the rich don't even want them.
The Bush presidency is hard to imagine as an example free market capitalism. Not saying he didn't try a bit sometimes but I think government spending increased and so now we have less than before. Until people can see the big picture that taxes and government spending ultimately harm the economy then you dems will keep punishing the poor who always suffer the worst (as taxes and spending increase). Now that said I am hoping the infrastructure plan does some good but fear the dems would turn it into a pork barrel social engineering program. Another point of possible compromise I would not oppose eliminating all forms of taxes say for people who earn less than 30,000 a year including sales tax. Then just tax the rich based on luxury items expenses. Also, I think the dems and their special interest groups should cap the level of government paid income to leftist bureaucrats to the average income obtained in purely socialist societies. It’s sad to see leftist elites making more than the working poor they tax so they can buy their SUVs and so on…
You never mentioned how Soros made bank off of the crash of the British pound in the 90's (before they combined the currency into a Euro) nor did you mention how he made bank from the crash of the ASEAN currency. They were suspicious that he caused it.
Soros "hates Jews" but was heavily invested in Halliburton shares. He plays politics on a macroscale for money. He has insider information and the ability to.
Creepier yet, almost a year into the Obama presidency he has signed into spending $7 trillion dollars (?) and passed pork loaded bills in a dangerous economy.
I'm deeply suspicious that Obama is an advocate of Soros, not America. And he's working hard to crash the US Currency.
By the way, I'm still not convinced that Obama won the election. It's suspicious that Hillary was robbed in the primaries.
You never mentioned how Soros made bank off of the crash of the British pound in the 90's (before they combined the currency into a Euro) nor did you mention how he made bank from the crash of the ASEAN currency. They were suspicious that he caused it.
Soros "hates Jews" but was heavily invested in Halliburton shares. He plays politics on a macroscale for money. He has insider information and the ability to.
Creepier yet, almost a year into the Obama presidency he has signed into spending $7 trillion dollars (?) and passed pork loaded bills in a dangerous economy.
I'm deeply suspicious that Obama is an advocate of Soros, not America. And he's working hard to crash the US Currency.
By the way, I'm still not convinced that Obama won the election. It's suspicious that Hillary was robbed in the primaries.
"Creepier yet, almost a year into the Obama presidency he has signed into spending $7 trillion dollars (?) and passed pork loaded bills in a dangerous economy."
I assume you refer to Obama here. To be honest I am overseas and not that that is any excuse but I have not paid much attention to the details of what Obama is up to. I understand his coalition well and yes they will devastate the economy especially by comparison to what it could be. America cannot go forward as a consumer nation. We must produce something. That won't happen until the government stops punishing those that produce and rewarding those that don't.












vrajavala says:
13 months ago
Hi Bertus, the rich know the looholes too. I thin Trump may have voted for McCain. Their is an historical case now that is going to be heard by the 9 Justices on Dec 5th. Very interesting approach. leo Donofrio v Wells. Read my summary http://starmaker.today.com/2008/11/18/who-is-obamb and Donofrio's case at http://blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen You can also join Mainstream media at http://www.lanlamphere.com/audio/livejava.php and join the chat room