marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Thank You for reading and commenting advisor. I disagree with all grouped belief that causes separatism. I believe protection of faith causes many innocent deaths and wars. I believe any grouped belief that teaches followers they are favored over others for what they believe is separatist.

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Hello greatamerican, thank you for reading and commenting. I appreciate your thoughts.

If you don't mind, what is your religious belief?

I read one of your hubs and feel you are completely against the muslim faith and would like to get rid of every muslim if we had the chance. To say every muslim has evil intent is irrational. Ones actions do not speak for all. This is the problem with people grouping their belief, if one muslim does something stupid they all do something stupid, if one christian does something stupid, they all do something stupid, if one marine does something stupid, they all do something stupid.

Both jesus and muhammeds followers believe they are direct from god with jesus being son of god and muhammed being directly posessed by god. Christians believe muslims are wrong, muslims believe christians are wrong. I believe they are both wrong for protection of irrational faith.

When you say it is hard to operate when discrediting a faith in God, this is exactly why we have separation of church and state. God and faith have no place in politics.

All christians want all christians and all muslims want all muslims. This is how religion works. The more followers, the more power.

Thank You

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Thanks for responding GA,

I appologize if I was wrong that you would like to rid muslims. Cheers to peace between all faiths. However, this would require logic. Contradictory to disputing faiths. One faith would have to agree with the other faith. I don't see this happening. Faith usually leads to arrogance.

Not to ridicule you, but I would like more information on what you know of the curan. I believe I will read it just to understand how the muslim faith operates. I noticed you had some hubs on the muslim faith, I will be sure to read them eventually.

Could the islamic wars be due to the muslim faith or lack of proper government, or both?

I applaud you for being strong minded not to accept a religious title. Cheers to christmas. I was raised on christmas, so I choose to enjoy the holiday as you even though I don't believe it's foundings.

I defended the right for freedom of belief for 4 years sacrificing my personal belief. The saying that there are "no atheist in the military" simply is not true. I am not an atheist, but some would title me an atheist because I don't believe the bible. I leave my belief open without title.

I will fight for your right to say God bless America, but we are not blessed. If we were blessed by having faith in a divine being, it should create equality in belief, not separatism. There is no logic in faith.

America Bless America

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Thank You for reading and commenting Opinion Duck!

Great point that the muslims don't discommunicate or explain the extremist muslims, rather continue to accept and promote them in some cases. I don't have an answer on that.

Maybe they are thinking that no publicity is bad publicity and it is making more curious to know their faith. Maybe this is the key to why they may promote terrorist activity. Promotion of their religion to gain followers?

You are very right, most of Obamas followers follow him religiously believing every word he says. I believe Obama uses bible tactics to gain followers. He gives people something to believe so they will trust him without debate. I think he operates largely by creating faith for his followers to gain power.

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Opinion Duck, I hope I am wrong. If I am right, we could possibly be headed to anarchy.

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Thank You for reading and commenting Sarra. I'm sorry to say, Jesus was a separatist just like the muslims and any other grouped religion. They separate and teach favoritism through faith and belief. It's as if some people such as yourself are trigger happy to take up arms rather than make rational decisions to find truth. I think fighting should be a last resort. Agreed, fighting is sometimes neccessary when logic loses to faith.

On Obama, I will not disagree with you when you could very well be right.

Thank You.

Sarra Garrett  says:
3 weeks ago

I am not saying I'm trigger happy, what I am saying is to be watchful of what is happening to our beautiful country. America as we knew it doesn't exhist anymore. Christians will prevail over the muslim ideology. God Bless us All. Thank you Marinealways for your comment to mine.

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

Hello Sarra, I think unity and equality should prevail over both muslim and christian idealogy. Unity and equality is found through logic, not separatism of faith based beliefs where some believe they are favored over others. Anyone can lose their life at any given time, no matter what their faith. A proven that no one belief system is favored over the other.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

Also in answer to your article,... Why Obama said we are no longer a christain nation,... it is simple. There are three ways a country becomes islamic.

1- through adoption of the islamic religion by more than 50 percent of the populatioin.

2- through defeat in war.

3- through the seating of a Muslim Leader.

You tell me which one fits.

Sarra Garrett  says:
3 weeks ago

Oh, and um.....TM....you just signed onto Hub Pages 20 hours ago and have not written a hub. So what are your plans? Are you on a seek and destroy mission? American Patriots are very strong people. Keep that in mind.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

And.

it might interest you to know that the Al'Azhar University in Cairo released a ruling a while back. Condoning the use of suicide bombers in Islam. Yup that is one twisted religion. It is interesting reading to see how they rationalize thier arguments also.

They use the term, "logical", alot also.

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

TMMason, just like other emotionally driven believers, you make faith based assumptions. Do you think I am a Muslim? I find it entertaining how you claim to understand how the muslim faith works, yet you cannot understand how your own faith works. They have a lot of similarities.

AEvans  says:
3 weeks ago

What an interesting hub but I would like to clarify the words I am certain I may get smacked for this one by someone I am Christian but we believe that Jesus is the Son of God so I don't know if the ones who claim that they are Christians are correct when it comes to Jesus being God but I certainly cannot disclaim it.

With regards to the Muslims God to them is 'Allah' which means God but Muhammad being God, that is also in question. My goodness now I can see why there is so much conflict among both religions everyone is being taught something different.

Christians and Muslims are at huge disagreement. The key of their disagreement is that one believes Jesus is God and the other believes Muhammad is God. Both are faith based beliefs, containing no logic.

I believe based on who I am nor will I push it down someone's throat because everyone is entitled to believe in what they so choose. :)

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

"I believe based on who I am nor will I push it down someone's throat because everyone is entitled to believe in what they so choose. :)"

I agree completely.

And I also agree with you on the fact that Christ is not God. That is what some of Islam believes we believe, and the rest say we believe he is the Son of God. But they hate that also. It is just as bad to them either way.

AEvans  says:
3 weeks ago

James 2:18-19 " What we do shows what we really believe" all of us are entitled to our own thoughts and beliefs I believe that Muslims and Christian have a similiar faith but they do not believe in Jesus like the Christians do. So long as there is a World , the World will always fight over religion which to me is so ridiculous no wonder why God only allows man to use 1/10th of their brain could you imagine if we could use it all? What a mess it would be.

I personally do not seperate myself from Muslim or Jewish all of us have concluded that there is only one God, the problem is that we as Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God that is where the unfortunate conflict lies. :(

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

I have read the same bible you have. You do not understand it's purpose. You are unwilling to open your mind to it's true purpose because it goes against your faith.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

I believe I have found the true purpose of the Bible.

It is to free your mind and spirit. It is to assist you in understanding all things in this world. And to help you achieve mastery over this body, and this reality.

It is pretty simple. But if YOU twist it for your own reasons, or anyone, it is also very powerful.

It is not a tool or weapon that holds the power. It is the one who weilds that tool or weapon.

And you can dismiss me all you want, and my opinions. But that does not negate the truth of them.

And thier are many religions made by man, designed to use against the people. That is a fact. You are right there, but it is not and was not the intent behind the bible and new testament.

Show me where the bible is wrong, just one thing.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

And yes muslims believe Mohhamed was a normal man. Who was the highest prophet of God.

Not God, nor the Son Of God. That understanding is false.

AEvans  says:
3 weeks ago

I disagree with " The bibles only purpose of defining a creator is to make you think it defines a creator." I like many believe there is a creator and that creator is God. But that is my own personal belief , others believe in the Big Bang Theory and that is their belief here is the argument why is there a discredit of God? Some will believe some will not but all of us just need to get along.

I also agree with TMMason Mohhamed was a normal man he is a prophet to the Muslims but they do not believe he is God nor the son of God that has come from one of our friends who are Muslim. Just like the perception of Christianity is wrong so is the perception of the Muslim religion, I believe that on both sides it is the extremists who created this mess thus creating an irreversible argument.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

That is BS. Your deleting them cause they prove your logic is flawed. You cannot stand that someone has a valid belief in oppossition to you. Too Bad man get over it.

Your the hypocrite. You want to discuss a reply you deleted. So what? You can make it say what you want. What ever thats a looser move. Leave my comments up if you want to discuss any points in them.

You have the option of violating those laws. that is free will. If there were nothing to violate would there be free will?

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

I will have a conversation with you. When you leave my posts up. If your so sure your right, then you would have no problem with people reading my replys.

You have been as ignorant as me or worse, ( i dont delete your posts), in this conversation. So play your lil, "I'm a genious", game by yourself.

Or leave my comments up. I supplied you with alot of facts. And rather that review them. You deleted them and said, "I'm right your wromg whaa.

To Bad.

You can answer me on my page starting tonight or tommorrow. I am postinmg your story and I am going to pick it apart at the seams. And you wont be able to delete a thing about it.

Madame X  says:
3 weeks ago

It is not written anywhere that we are a Christian nation and our founders never intended it to be such. Our founders came from England and other European countries who, at the time, were in massively destructive arguments about which form of Christianity was "right". So our founders acknowledged God, but did not specify Christianity per se, and rightly so, to head off the same horrible religious unrest that had Europe by the throat.

However, I would say that we are a Christian nation, in that most Americans are Christian. The 1st Amendment says that one may practice any religion without persecution by the government.

As for Obama, he is Muslim and he backs Muslims over Christians. His supposed "mistake" in saying "the 57 states" referred to the 57 Muslim states. How's that for divisive! Obama is our worst nightmare because of his fanning of the flames between Christians and Muslims. There is only one God - how one reaches Him is completely personal.

Great hub marine!!

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

see again you delete the answer and make some statement that creates the illusion that you have an indesputable argument. What a joke. Do you really convince yourself your right like that?

Whatever. Everyone who looked saw a reply to your illogical logic. You can continue to make yourself look good now.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

No man. Our disagreement is over the facts. You state false facts all throughout your writing, and think because you say it, it is true.

It isn't.

And that is what you cannot stand. All your assumptions about what you think you know of Christianity and Islam, are false.

So how can you draw an accurate conclusion from false facts?

You cannot.

That is simple.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

Mohhamed is not looked at as God by Muslims. Incorrect fact #1.

"Christians believe all Muslims are terrorist's"

That is an unsustainable assumption. Thats another flaw in your reasoning. Unsustainable assumptions.

There are two very real flaws in your logic. Found within seconds. So what is your point.

I have told you where to find the sources to know the truth about what Muslims believe. And I myself have many Islamic friends. Whom I do not consider terrorists.

So your logic is so very flawed, that it is unbelievable.

Bait?

You do not know what is said in either book of either faith. Yet you pretend to know so much.

Nothing in my logical world contrdicts or challenges my Belief in God.

As I have said I have read all the science intended to dis-credit the Bible and the existence of God.

And I have seen nothing that accomplishes that purpose.

Matter of FACT everything science has attempted to use to debunk God. Has come back round and done the opposite.

It suports the truth of the text of the Bible.

So as I said. Show me the logic.

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

No. They do not believe he is devine. Why can't you grasp that.

That is false.

No I look at Jesus as the perfect man. The living intent of God. Not devine. He is the Son Of God as we are Children Of God.

My issue have mainly been with your lack of knowledge as to the facts of Islam. And no I do not believe you have read the Bible.

I believe you have read this or that in regards to the Bible, and probrably a few books of it. But I doubt you read the Bible.

As far as your psychological aspect argument. I understand the human psyche as well as you, or probrably many others. I completed my education many years back and have put many a year into studies. So that wont cut it either.

The physical science I am talking about. Was undertaken by others, not me. I didnt need it, but I will read anything in opposition to my beliefs. Because all points of view are healthy.

Just not correct.

So thats the science I allude to.

You dont grasp the context of written arguments well. Do you?

You keep responding to me using things in a different context than written. So you should probrably read slower and not let your emotions rule your replies.

If you have any questions as to what I mean. Don't be ashamed to ask.

Oh, and I dont nit pick.

Just the facts, Marine24.

You seem to have an issue with facts.

Then you try to turn it as though I am all emotional and cannot answer. But it is your use of false facts, that is at the heart of this.

Dont worry my piece is almost done and you can read in detail, what my issue with ignoring facts is. And playing as though your logic is infalliable.

And the entire poremise of your argument is flawed also when you take into account there is more, alot more, at the heart of Islam and it wars with the world.

More than just us supposedly thinking Jesus is God. Thats another major flaw in your argument.

Hi-Jinks  says:
3 weeks ago

This is the attitude that makes war. And you are happy with that.

marinealways24  says:
3 weeks ago

TM, here, I will give in to more of your faith justification by giving you something else to get emotional about so you spell common words incorrectly. How much was the degree and you claim to be brilliant educated writer who can't appreciate correct spelling?

"As far as your psychological aspect argument. I understand the human psyche as well as you, or probrably many others. I completed my education many years back and have put many a year into studies. So that wont cut it either."

This was your arrogant comment. You claim you already know the psychology aspect of the bible from your education of psychology and I could not possibly know more than you.

Someone can be brilliant in one thing and be ignorant in others. You are ignorant in psychology, faith, logic, and self-awareness. With your comment, you prove intelligent conversation impossible. You claim to already know more than me, so what is the point of conversating with me? To lecture on something you have no understanding of?

TMMason  says:
3 weeks ago

Hey. You know I been wondering Marine. With all this angst you have about religion and mass control.

You must dispise Government? And laws? I mean that is mass control on a world scale these days.

Or is that alright?

I would think you may not have a problem with it since it is man made and implemented.

I mean. I understand you dont like that people are controlled in thier acions and thoughts through an invisible, omniscient, omnipotent being. Of which his existence appearently cannot be proved to you in any logical way.

So. What is your opinion of Govts and Laws?

TMMason  says:
2 weeks ago

O'bama has never admitted being a Muslim. In fact he has denied over and over again.

TMMason  says:
2 weeks ago

Yes. I can. Can you.

And that wasn't the point.

The question was,(Didn't O'bama admit he was a Muslim?).

The answer is,... No. He did not.

It is that simple. I could care less what McCain said, he won't even admit he is a liberal-(McCain).

Kim Garcia  says:
2 weeks ago

Very well said Madam X!!! Looks like America is unfortunately on her way to becoming socialist. The joining of a ONE WORLD ORDER....or ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT will usher in Socialism and Totalitarianism. It's time for America to Wake up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-6EAec15dk

marinealways24  says:
2 weeks ago

TM, All 3 Fit. Pretty disturbing.

Kim, Thank You for reading and commenting, I will watch the video and get back.

Vrajavala, thanks for reading and commenting.

James A Watkins  says:
2 weeks ago

This is a very thought provoking article. I'm glad to see you are still in the HubPages trenches.

TMMason  says:
2 weeks ago

marinealways24 says:

4 days ago

TM, What is the biggest similarity between Muslims and Christians?

their belief in one God. Monotheism.

Sorry. Been on other posts and answering e-mails from hubbers. Just got back.

And Marine It is not the similarities you need to worry about. It is the differences.

TMMason  says:
2 weeks ago

You asked specifically. What was their greatest point of commonality. That would be thier belief in One God.

Except Islam thinks we believe Christ to be God, that makes us polytheists to them.

But it doesn't change the answer to the question. Monotheism.

And Yes sir. The differences do outwiegh the similarities. That is what I stated earlier.

There is a world of difference between Islam and Christianity.

It is all about the differences, Marine.

And I don't think you can find many Muslims that contradict the views I stated in my Article on my page. that is true Islam as presented by the most reknowned Scholars within Islam itself. they are not just making the differences up. They were told and shown the differences by Mohhammud.

milleredkarla  says:
8 days ago

I heartily agree with your article. The Founders created a Nation with Freedom of Religion (All Religions, not just Christian). What people forget is that they go on a bandwagon to promote or influence others into Christianity or Judaism, or Islam, that by doing this, sometimes they perform Tyranny instead of peace and love. Atheism is a faith-based belief in nothing, but is still a belief in something. Politics uses whatever scenario they choose to further their agenda. Whether that be Power, Wealth, Control or all of the above. The Founders had it right, it just got all scrambled up along the way. We need to get back to founding principals of freedom and liberty for all, not because of our religious belief's.