Why don't the Police catch scammers?
80Online real estate rental scam
I almost lost $2,400 to a scammer yesterday.I went looking for an apartment to rent in the inner city so that I could be closer to some of my family. I found a nice property in an area that I like that was reasonably priced and very suitable. I replied that I would like to take the apartment subject to inspection. I got a reply back saying that I could pay the deposit and she would send the keys as she was in London with her new husband and would not be back till April..She also sent me her passport and a copy of the lease agreement. She then asked for the deposit to be sent to her, with the signed lease at an address in London.
I read her email again and became suspicious as her English writing was poor, yet her passport said she was born in Dublin, and had spent her time in England and Australia. She also wanted the money sent by Western Union, and that's when I really woke up that this could be a scam, so I looked a bit closer.
The plot thickens.
I went back and read the lease agreement, and there at the top where the word "Landlord" is usually written was the word "Landlady". I have seen a lot of leases, but in this country at least the legal term is landlord, and I have never seen the sexually specific use on a lease before.Another black mark!
At this point, I know that the property exists, as I have visited the address, seen the apartment and it is in a large block of apartments as she stated. The price and lease terms are acceptable, and I have a passport photo which includes the whole page from her passport, with date of birth and country of origin showing in the photo.
I had heard never to send money via Western Union unless it was to someone you know, so I offered to put the money in her local account, after I saw the apartment. She replied that after I paid the deposit she would send me the keys via FedEx.
By now I was downright suspicious, but not being a lying piece of human excrement myself, I found it hard to believe this sort of scam even existed, or that someone could go to so much trouble to scam someone. I went online and looked for the name she gave me.
Like many long time Internet users, I can find almost anyone online, so eventually after not finding anything about her at all, I typed in the name she gave me followed by the word "scam" Presto! Up comes her name on another Real Estate site. A blogger who had the same experience as me had realized she was a scammer and baited her fiercely!
Sure enough the scammer took the bait. It was pretty funny, but what was amazing is the others who came to this blog after they had been scammed by her.She has taken thousands of dollars of house hunters!
I sent the blog to the scammer, who had the audacity to ring me to assure me she was not a scammer! I near fell off my chair when I received the call. I have since had 10 more emails for different properties, and 6 of them were from her using another name. I have not used any of the names here, as they are all stolen along with passports and identity from people who answer her email and provide their I.D. to identify themselves.People like me, who have a totally clean background, wind up being chased by the police for fraud! Unlike the scammer we are easy to find.
I decided at this point to ring the police, give them the blog, her other identities and the passport photo she had sent to me. They had to call me back, so I waited all afternoon for a reply. A senior rang me back. He had been in contact with the fraud squad and they had told him there was no point as I had not lost any money so had no crime to report.
How does that work. Here we have a fraudulent thief, who has stolen citizens identities (surely that's a crime) In the mean time many of her victims have been pursued by the police!
I can tell which frauds are hers easily just by the word pattern and constant miss-spelling in her replies, the modus operandi is identical in every case, and I reckon a chicken could be trained to track her down. As there are dozens who have been defrauded by her and more every day, I just think the police are useless at this sort of thing.
I am going to take it to the feds next. I'll let you know how I go there.
Not good enough!
I attempted to get some satisfaction from Western Union, they took the details of the delivery address she used for this attempt, and have heard nothing back of course.
I then contacted the site where the scam was posted. My email and their reply are below.
I have had yet another scam attempt, that makes three from this site. Each
one is from the same person using different ID (stolen). I have been to the
police to no avail. As I have lost no money. I am now going to my local MP
and the Television show \"A current affair\" as this is so
stupid! The person scamming cannot hide their identity by changing it, as
her English writing makes it obvious that it is the same person. This
person has now scammed a minimum 10,000 dollars according to the blog about
her that I found. Why can\'t you track her down?
I only bought one week subscription, because I know that most of the emails
I get will be from her. Please help catch this person.
Here is the reply from share accomodation
Hello,
Unlike what you think, it is very difficult to fight scammers. They use proxys which allow them to navigate using IP address all around the world. They then create different accounts on sites like Share-Accommodation.net.
After 4 years of experience, we guarantee you that the best way to avoid scammers is to be "web smart".
Just NEVER pay money or give ID details to anyone without meeting them first.
Should you have any other questions or issues please do not hesitate in contacting us.
______________________________________
Best regards,
The Share-Accommodation.net Support
In other words they don't give a toss, and are only interested in putting me off the job I must do. Find this vermin and have them prosecuted.
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Thanks for the encouragement Jewel! I will try a current affair as well.
I came far too close to being scammed, but sometimes my intuition works a little when my brain goes on holiday!
Good thing you were flagged on the suspicious nature of this scammer. Good luck with the Feds now. And good luck in your endeavor to find that new aortment too. thanks for the info.
Thank you CC I hope to bring this scammer down, and I will update the site with more info as I go forward.
Good luck, Earnest - on the one hand, the authorities warn us about identity theft. On the other, they cannot be arsed to do anything about it.
Good to see a stubborn Aussie on the case - there is no hiding place!
Ain't that the truth sufidreamer! This person could be tracked through the payment, and that would not be entrapment as some have suggested to me. I feel that Internet scammers are to be tracked down and encoded with a chip that keeps them offline forcibly!
Earnest - I am so happy that you werent scammed. I would do everything in my power to make sure that person does not scam another person.
That sounds like a job for that guy from Dateline NBC I can't think of his name (The guy who set up the pedophiles be pretending to be a 12 year old girl in the chatrooms) He did a piece on baiting and catching internet scammers. He even went as far as to get this one guy arrested after baiting him out into the open.
You are a very good storyteller it's hard to keep my attention on a computer screen. Very good read.
Good for you for being suspicious! But I've never understood the logic that you have to be a victim *before* police will do anything. sevon77 is right - contact the guy at Dateline and let him catch the scammer!
Congrats for being smarter than the scammer!
Thank you Triplet Mum, I am doing just that! I have been offline for a few days, but now I'm back on the case.
I have meant to ask you.....How did you cope with triplets! I am a twin myself, so I suppose I deserve to have my twin granddaughters (3 yo.)
Kids are far too clever these days. I'm always being out manuvered by these two, and would love to know how you coped with three of em!
Love to you and yours, Ern.
sevon77 Thanks for the info mate, I have started with an Australian TV show. but will try to get this in front of as many as possible over the next few weeks.
JamaGenee, thanks for seconding sevon77. I will keep trying till this person is caught.
Become a Gila monster earnestshub. Clamp your jaws and don't let go until the quarry has been subdued.
The most disturbing aspect of this story is how unwilling the "authorities" are to do anything. You've pretty much handed them a "perp" on a silver platter and they simply don't want to be bothered. What the hell are they being paid for?
I am going for it CWB, and thanks for the feedback. You would think they would at least look at it!I am now approaching TV shows. No interest yet.
Best of luck and kudos for the effort.
The Feds and ACCC can't help either.
This scam originates in Nigeria, that's why the english is so bad - they employ people who spend all day composing these emails for a small cut of the proceeds. It's big buisness out there and they post adverts for properties all over the world. It's not just rent scams, either - buying, selling, Anything WHICH INVOLVES MONEY, BASICLY. So you see, it's not just one person doing it...
Thanks Alfiebanana, awesome name! No way to stop the scams then?
I have had numerous similar emails as well which I suspected frauds. I contacted shareaccommodation today to warn them. Oddly, I am no longer a subscribed member!!!????
I also warned them, their response was that they can do nothing about it.
i had a friend that recived a checks in the mail the currency exchanged verified and everything before they cashed and found out is was bad ten day after, the currency exchanged had to eat that money it is sad what some get away with
I guess all we can do is be careful and let everyone know. Thanks for the helpful comment.
Earnest,
Good you were smart about this, but scams are happening everywhere, we must take this campaign more serious the internet has become a place of pain instead of joy and learning.
PLEASE DO NOT MAKE PAYMENTS TO PEOPLE YOU CAN ONLY TALK TO ON PHONE. DONT MAKE PAYMENTS THROUGH WESTERN UNION TO ANYBODY ANYWHERE.
PLEASE SAVE YOURSELF FROM SCAMMERS.
THIS IS A PASSIONATE APPEAL.
Thank you wealthydavid, you are right. The Internet should be a a joy to use and a place of learning. Your advice will be appreciated by all.
Wonderful hub about this scamming jerk. A few weeks ago some guy tried to sucker me into a domain name appraisal scam. I'm glad you made efforts to report this scam in your hub. I'm sure it'll help to prevent more future victims. Cheers, dawei888 :-)
Thank you dawei88, Don't ya jjust hate them! I think that many others here are trying to let people know, and the example you have given here is helpful.
as some have allready stated the culprits are organized and rent scams are just one of many incantations used. This scam is run hundreds if not thousands of times a month everywhere. Do you really beleive that the police do not care - trust me there are plenty of cops who have been duped themselves. Bottom line is that these scams orginate overseas and in locations where local and federal law enforcement agencies have no jurisdictional authority. As some have stated it is near imposssible to pinpoint scammers they manipulte ip addresses through the use of proxys, phone # are spoofed and tranfer of funds is done by wire tranfer which is virtually untraceable and even if you found the pick up location which is just a tranfer point the bad guy is not the one that will be there. So cash strapped law enforcement is going to assign a Detective to your case who will have to spend hundreds of man hours back tracking through untold numbers of ip addresses to come up with the orgination location (near impossible), which he/she will have no jurisdictional authority over and no specific suspect identified. Or do you think it may be wiser for local Fraud Units overwelmed with local ID theft and scams cases to pick cases based on feasablity of arrest and efficient use of tax payer dollars. The most efficient thing police and the feds can do for scams like this is to educate as many of their redsidents as possible through sound crime prevention presentations.
Earnestshub the vigilante! :)
I admire your effort, earnest
I wish I had you foresight to see that my scammers were who they were Earnest.His english was bad as well, both of them in fact. Luckily, you woke up in time. I have learned a lot from what you said and I wont be scammed like this again. You have taught well by this e mail. She needed to be stopped. You very smart to pick up all the mistakes she made, other people may not have been, especially the part concerning her english. I have thought of getting touch and reporting this to Scotland Yard, what are your thoughts about things like this, is it worth doing or not?
Hello BEAUTYBABE, If you read back through the comments you will see what you are up against.
So sorry, I would love to say Scotland Yard would help but they cannot.
I wish you well, don't feel too bad about being conned, we all get conned one way or another!
Hello BEAUTYBABE, If you read back through the comments you will see what you are up against.
So sorry, I would love to say Scotland Yard would help but they cannot.
I wish you well, don't feel too bad about being conned, we all get conned one way or another!
Great hub. I did not know there is such scam and the person so bold that called you back after you exposed her. Wow! Now I know. Thanks.
You are most welcome Dao Hoa, and I am pleased the information was informative, very kind of you to take the time to comment.























Jewels says:
8 months ago
Sickem Rex! Go to A Current Affair as well, why not, they lap that stuff up. At least it will be more public so others can be on the look out. So many gullible caught by scammers. Good on you for having the brains to be suspicious, lots are not.