create your own

Would You Shoot Someone To Defend Your Family?

75
rate or flag this page

By dusanotes


Guns Are Lethal, But They Can Save Lives Too

Police Officer 357 Magnum Revolver
Police Officer 357 Magnum Revolver
44 Magnum Revolver
44 Magnum Revolver
Handgun and Shells
Handgun and Shells
AA 125 Shotgun
AA 125 Shotgun
Shootout At The OK Corral
Shootout At The OK Corral
Men target practicing at the firing range. If you are going to get a gun, better learn to use it and stay qualified by regular practice sessions.
Men target practicing at the firing range. If you are going to get a gun, better learn to use it and stay qualified by regular practice sessions.

Amti-Gun Laws Are Lethal

By Don White

If we are squeamish about firing a gun when mortally threatened, we are placing ourselves and our family in danger because in today’s world break-ins, crime, rape, armed robbery, and killings are on the rise.

What happens in New York when you disarm the honest citizenry doesn’t happen in Georgia which has no similar ban on guns.

Our basic Second Amendment rights of bearing arms are abridged any time a city or state passes laws that ban guns in certain places. It is my belief that there are places where people should not carry a gun, but the more terror and events that take place that threaten the lives of innocent people are quickly making me change my mind.

Living in Florida, we know people in Georgia. One such person tells this story. It’s about a college student in that state who shot a home invader, saving ten lives. I have also heard of similar incidents.

Guns are dangerous and perhaps are attractive nuisances to children just to have them in the home. They should be locked up where kids can’t get at them, but after hearing this story it makes me wonder why more people don’t go out and buy a gun to protect their families. Violent crimes of all kinds are on the rise.

In neighborhood of College Park in Atlanta, Georgia, two armed criminals broke into a house party and, after confiscating the group's valuables, split the men and women up into different rooms.

Witnesses say the perpetrators counted their rounds and discussed if they had "enough" ammunition. House guests and residents were convinced these gunmen were going to rape and murder the entire group of students who were celebrating a birthday at the end of the semester.

To make a long story short, one student had a gun hidden in his backpack. He fired at the thugs holding the group. The thug, who was not injured, ran out of the house and escaped and did not return. The student continued on into the girls' room where the other thug, 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was preparing to rape his first victim. The student exchanged gunfire with Lavant, wounding him in the process. Lavant fled out of a window and died in front of his apartment one building away.

The point?
A student saved the girls from rape, and saved the whole group of 10 people (including himself) from murder ... and he did it with a handgun.

Had this happened in LA, New York, Chicago, or any of the other big cities that ban their citizens from carrying handguns the young man could be facing murder charges for defending his friends.

Let's assume the parents of the fatality sued the boy who shot him. What kinds of defenses would be available to the so-called hero who saved the lives of the girls and boys in that house, which was not owned or rented by the boy. In Georgia there is a gun doctrine known as the Castle Doctrine or Law. It says that one's place of residence is his castle. In other words that he, the owner or resident (in many states) has the right to defend his life and that others while they are in that house.

Where he is not a resident of the home, which was the information I got from my brother-in-law about this, it would create an issue at law as to whether this young man could claim a privilege under the law afforded in the English Common Law. This privilege gave rise to the lines we all memorized and said many times ourselves. They were by actor Clint Eastwood in the movie "Sudden Impact" where Dirty Harry, a cop or private investigator, when confronted by a bandit with a gun was heard to challenge the gunman by saying, "Make my day." Since Clint was the "fastest man in the West" or in the East for that matter, he easily polished off this attacker.

I think most of us, confronted with the same situation and not knowing the law, would do as the young man did. No matter where we were, we probably would go after the two guys who were the perpetrators rather than see our friends raped and/or shot.

But it's better to know the law before taking the law into our own hands. But in this case where was the law? It was at least far enough away to be unable to arrive in time to stop what had already begun as at least a rape in progress of one girl, possibly more, but also of inferred or promised bodily harm and maybe death due to a shooting by the perps. As I understand this scenario, the perps had taken watches, rings, wallets, and cell phones of the ten people, so that notifying the police was not possible. They put the ten in imminent danger to where they feared for their lives.There was an armed assault, rape, and robbery in process.

That's enough to confront the men with a gun. When two people point guns at each other it's hard to decide who pulled the trigger first. But under the law, that doesn't matter, as long as the other guy is the intruder, the el bandito, and was not invited onto the premises and put the other guy in fear of his life. Even if the gunman perp was invited and committed the same aggression we're talking about here, it seems to me that it would be lawful to protect your own life and that of others and use a gun if one was available..

Had it been a resident or owner of the home doing the protecting, we wouldn't have an issue. There would be a rebuttable presumption that his use of the gun in self defense was covered under the Second Amendment right to bear arms for self defense at your own house. This legal doctrine was argued in the Supreme Court case of District of Columbia v. Heller.

The Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal concept arising from English Common Law that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack. Thus, use of deadly force which actually results in death may be defended as justifiable homocide under the Castle Doctrine.

As in Utah, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Georgia and in many other states, gun permits are not needed to purchase a gun.There also is no firearm registration or assault weapon laws. An owner's license is not required. In both of these states, and many others, it is permissible to carry a gun in some public places even if it is concealed as long as it is unloaded. Florida requires a permit to carry a gun.

Several states offer the same protection for gun owners. Utah's law states owning, possessing, and carrying a gun without license is okay as long as it takes two operations to fire the gun. For example, if the bullets are in a clip you would have to place the clip in the gun and insert one bullet in the firing chamber -- two operations. Or if no clip, then one operation would be placing a bullet in the firing chamber and taking the gun off safety would be the second, with a third being cocking the gun if applicable. Many handguns today don't need cocking.

In New York there are no restrictions or laws against buying a shotgun or rifle, no permitting required, no registration, or licensing needed to carry except a person must be 21 years of age. But for handguns the answer on all counts is yes, license permits are required. Please check before buying a gun because laws are subject to change.

Being a hero and saving someone or being charged with murder and going to jail depends on venue. The above story tells how a group of friends would have been raped and murdered by these two hoodlums had it not been for the timely action of a brave young man. But, sadly, had this happened in New York or Chicago, the hero of this story might be facing prison time for firearm possession and murder.

Georgia has not yet outlawed self-defense. Someone had a gun and was willing to use it, and inocent life was preserved. How about you? Would you use a gun to defend yourself and your family? Do you have access to a gun in case a similar thing happens to you? If not, maybe you should consider getting one, or at least a stun gun or a Taser. You can buy a Taser for about $225. Stun guns, where available and legal for common ordinary people, are much more money, maybe $700.

Some jurisdictions prevent citizens from buying Stun guns because they are far more powerful than a Taser. They primarily are used by police and the military. A stun gun can immobilize a person at a distance at from ten to fifteen feet or more. A Taser is a close range stun gun, basically. They affect the central nervous system and render them comatose or unable to move or very difficult or impossible for a person to operate their hands and legs. They are usually stunned for about fifteen minutes, however some people have died after someone stunned them because of heart problems or other preexisting conditions.

If all you are worried about is another person stalking or attacking you as you walk to your car at night, perhaps you should first try to defend yourself with pepper spray. That usually gives one enough time to put the key in the ignition and drive away. However, there have been cases when all the pepper spray in the eyes does is to infuriate your stalker and make him more belligerent and dangerous.

Print   —   Rate it:  up  down  flag this hub

Comments

RSS for comments on this Hub

jiberish profile image

jiberish  says:
3 months ago

I would definetly shoot someone who's hurting my family. No regrets! But walking around with a machine gun hanging off the shoulder at a voting booth, is quite different. One is for protection, the other is for threatening. Good Hub.

tony0724 profile image

tony0724  says:
3 months ago

Heaven help anybody who would dare attempt to harm my family ! And I know there Is an Inordinate amount of gun violence ,but lets face It you take a citizens gun , the criminals will still find a way to get them , because that Is what they do !

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
3 months ago

Thanks Jiberish and Tony for your comments. I wonder if your comments would be the same if it was the government who came to your house to make you take a flu virus vaccine? What if you did resist, how far would you take it? Some people are of the feeling that these vaccines do more harm than good. With Washington becoming far more dictatorial, it may not be a moot question because it could be argued that if you and I refuse to be vaccinated we maybe could be the cause of more people becoming infected.

Don

eovery profile image

eovery  says:
3 months ago

Interesting topic.

I have slaughter many animals when I was on the ranch. I would sight right between the eyes on the forehead and let what may - be. They go down like a rock, with no control. I I guess if I had the chance to try to talk them out of it, I would, but with the gun sighted in on them.

I know the gospel teaches different, but I am not perfect.

Keep on hubbing!

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
3 months ago

Thanks, Ed,but who said any of us is perfect?

James A Watkins profile image

James A Watkins  says:
3 months ago

I would most certainly shoot an intruder in my home. And that should be legal everywhere all the time. Thanks for presenting the correct philosophy.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
3 months ago

James, thanks for your comment. You and I agree on most things, I'm observing. Most people have an innate desire for self preservation of themselves and their families. There are some, I suppose, who would justify letting people run all over them under some aberrant thought pattern, or even in some cases through super-great faith in God or a pasifism borne of thinking that no matter what happens to them, all is well and that this life is not all. But I want to make this life all it should be for me and my family, and at the same time be able to sleep at night, and I have a slightly different, though maybe weaker, attitude about it. While I don't go quite as far as "Dirty Harry's make my day" shtick - because that's just begging for someone to pull a gun on you - I believe if New York allowed ordinary citizens to carry handguns, and the underworld knew this, it may cut down on NY crime. Or would it just start gang wars?

Best wishes, Don

Lowell's Notes profile image

Lowell's Notes  says:
2 months ago

I believe that if more people would be willing to use lethal force to defend themselves (and their families) it would cut crime dramatically.

Stay at Home Dad profile image

Stay at Home Dad  says:
2 months ago

I encourage every law-abidding citizen to own a gun and know how to use it well. I pray I never have to shoot a human, but I would not hesitate to do so if my family were in danger.

I am thankful that in the state of Georgia we are allowed to carry our guns and protect our families. I am not paranoid, and I do not advertise that I am armed, but there is nothing wrong with using a little caution... especially when I am out with my children. As a lover of the outdoors, I am thankful for the right to carry my firearm into all state parks.

There are some great resources out there for anyone thinking about purchasing or carrying a gun. One that I recommend is USCONCEALEDCARRY.COM. Know your rights and make sure you have all the necessary information to be a responsible Bearer of Arms.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
2 months ago

Lowell, thanks for the fine comment. I agree with you. If more would have a gun and be willing to use it, we could reduce the amount of crime. Keep up the good work. Don White

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
2 months ago

Thanks, Stay at home dad, for your great comments. I also found Ignatias Piazza's commercial web site that had some good tips:

http://www.frontsight.com/landingpg-1.asp?gad=CMeJ

Dumbledore  says:
2 months ago

I have a young daughter and would not think twice about using deadly force to guarantee her safety. You wrote a fine and informative hub. Hopefully lawmakers will wake up and realize that the individual, not the state, is responsible for his/her protection.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
2 months ago

Thanks, Dumbledore, for your comments. You and I think alike. I, too, hope lawmakers (with our pushing and shoving) will wake up and realize guns are important in our freedoms. We can't defend the Constitution if we allow Obama to disarm us. So far, we still have our guns and Obama has bigger fish to fry with so little time left for him to do every mean thing. Let's hope we can defeat him on more mean things. I thought two conservatives, so called, from Utah were wrong for voting for this Cass Sunstein guy who wants to give animal's the same rights you and I have.

Yes, Sens. Hatch and Bennett from Utah voted for cloture, which means they voted against Republicans who wanted to extend debate and keep this guy out of the White House where he advises Obama. Thanks again for your fine comments.

Don

Krystyn  says:
2 months ago

Our founding fathers created our constitutional rights for a reason. They didn't just get drunk and make up a 2nd amendment. They created this right for us do be able to defend ourselves and our family.

It's terrible to see the many families "afraid" of gun laws and approving/defending gun bans. The truth of the matter is, you're ONLY afraid of something when you DON'T understand something. Sure, it's important every gun owner understands how to use their firearm. I agree. But don't take away my right.

The reason why we do have so many people against the use of guns is because of the way the media poses gun use. (which BY THE WAY-our ancestors used guns EVERYDAY!) If someone tells you "we have to get rid of guns because robbers are murdering victims in their own home!" that would probably sway you...HOWEVER...if you heard "too many people are able to defend themselves in their own home, so we should get rid of guns so they can't defend their family anymore if any intruder ever comes in, trying to murder the family".... See the difference?

The problem is, today we are so easily swayed. 100 years ago, life was so simple without computers and the internet. I feel like we're slowly losing our pride, as Americans. That to me, is extremely sad. My ancestors didn't fight for my rights for me to watch someone else step all over them, tear them up, then throw them out to sea.

For some reason, people think that banning guns gets rid of guns...WRONG!!! Just like NO ONE smokes pot in the USA...WRONG.... OR how during prohibition NO ONE drank...anywhere....WRONG!! If ever something is invented in this world, it will always be available to obtain...somewhere...one way or another.

I will happily defend my family, and rights, everyday of my life.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
2 months ago

Thanks Kyrstyn, those were "Right-On" comments. I agree with all you said about our founders. They would be dumfounded if they could come back here today and see how the libs are trying to take away our guns. I watched that terrible video on Fox last night where this kid was killed in a gang fight and they were using boards including RR ties to hit each other. Who wouldn't die if hit in the head by one of these things? It's a deadly weapon, but only in the hands of a maniac. If you said we need to ban all deadly weapons, then I guess RR ties would have to go. But that's the total opposite of common sense. Guns and RR ties don't kill. People kill. Don White

tmt  says:
2 months ago

I know alot of people believe that the bible/God is not for killing in self defense or in other justified ways. I find that not to be true in my reading. There seems to be many more things God(according to the bible) finds more important then human life, ie. 1-your soul(He died for it) 2-justice(capital punishment, self defense) 3-Justified War. There are many examples of these and some more. If someone is threatening my family or my families means of support(me) I wouldn't hesitate(never know what your gonna do given that circumstance)It is the moral and legal principal that is important, not how awful a shooting is.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
2 months ago

Thanks, TMT, for your fine comments. I agree with them. Self-defense is one area in which God agrees with use of force, and that includes a gun, to stay alive. I happen to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, better known as a Mormon. I have read the Book of Mormon extensively. It is a second witness or testimony of Jesus Christ and of the Bible. In it there are stories about the good guys, the Nephites, and the sometimes bad guys, the Lamanites. When the aggressive Lamanites attacked a Nephite village God always allowed the good guys to defend themselves. In fact, he came to their aid many times. If you want a very good read with a promise, get a copy of this book. Better still, let me know and I'll get you a copy. Don White

Patty Inglish, MS profile image

Patty Inglish, MS  says:
2 months ago

I'll defend myself/loved ones by any means necessary to stop an attack. I expect not to find it necessary to kill.

Workshops I've attended regarding original Hebrew in the Old Testament insist that the Commandment to not "kill" actual says not to "murder", as in "cold blood/ premeditated." To me, this means self defense is OK, but I think it best to stop short of death. People ask about New Testament "turn the other cheek" and this is really the custom of turning the face so the attacker would have to backhand you on the second strike, an action that would receive loud disrepsect from any onlookers, because it is was a low-life thing to do. The attacker would be shunned byt he community if he struck again. So that's a different method of self defense - but you need a community for it.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
2 months ago

Thanks, Patty Inglish, you have some very good points and perspective here. While watching TV occasionally you see the bad guys drive away and you wonder why somebody doesn't shoot out their tires? I suppose it is that the car might careen out of control into a building and hurt innocents. I also wonder, when a policeman has a gun and a choice to shoot to kill or to shoot them in they leg to take them down, why they don't choose the latter remedy. I don't think that choice would be available to me because I'm not that good a shot anymore. I'd probably aim low and miss, allowing the perp to escape or get off a round at me. Good comments you make. Don White

Hi-Jinks profile image

Hi-Jinks  says:
6 weeks ago

You are talking fastasy. You have a one in a million chance of staying up to catch a home intruder. Odds are that you will kill or hurt your family or youself. That's the bloody truth. You have to be prepared, and you are NOT! Half the people walking around or driving have a cell phone in their ear. They don't know what' s happening around them let alone to to something about it.

People have guns not to protect themselves, but to take what your neighbor has in a national crisis.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
6 weeks ago

Thanks, Hi-Jinks, for your comments. You may be right about one thing - most of us won't encounter the intruder head on. But to fail to have something to protect yourself and your family may be a big mistake. No, I disagree with your assertion that most gun owners are aggressive opportunists just waiting for law and order to break down so they can take what belongs to a neighbor. If you live in a nice area where people are friendly one with another, there's no way I could believe that those people I talk to on the corner or across the fence are my enemies. I couldn't sleep at night if I took that tact, Hi-Jinks, and I wonder how you can? Granted, there are certain areas of any town where crime is high and where some of those folks are just waiting for the opportunity to rob someone else. I hope you don't live in one of those areas. Take care, Don White

Hi-Jinks profile image

Hi-Jinks  says:
6 weeks ago

Being smart and alert is better than being armed and asleep. I lived in parts of Chicago where the cops are busy all night. To be smart is to be carefull. But if you and your kind load up with high power weapons, one must ask why. I use to own a black power colt, Civil War reenactor. I didn't feel more safe with it.

People will know you have a gun and seek to steal it.

I once ask an old radio personality in town. He was going on and on about the safety of guns and as you the usefulness in a home intruders. He did the news for the station for more than 25 years. I asked him if he remembered if a home owner ever used a gun to save himself or his family. He eventualy said 'no' over the radio air waves.

I still feel you are dreaming a fastasy.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
6 weeks ago

Thanks, Hi-Jinks, I respect your opinions. You could very well be right. I'm wondering if you also believe it is of no use for, say, a woman (or a man) to keep a stun gun in their car or at home. Now, I suppose it is illegal for anyone but police to have a stun gun, but a less powerful zapper is legal. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience with it. Some people carry pepper spray, but that doesn't knock down the intruder or the guy that accosts a woman near her car at night. Sometimes, it may just make them mad and then they might do something real stupid to the girl. I'd like your opinion. Don White

Hi-Jinks profile image

Hi-Jinks  says:
6 weeks ago

As I said before being smart is the answer. I used to managed a garden shop in Franklin Park Il. Between two bars and a cat house. When I close at night, 9:00 PM, we all leave together. We had no problems.

If the stun gun or pepper spray was attached to their cell phone, it could be useful. Thou I think they will shoot their ears off.

Street smart, ask your local police about where the trouble is. What is the victim like behavior to avoid?

Where I live now in Wisconsin, I don't drive after 11:00PM so I won't be hit by drunks? I don't need to drive when the air temp of below 35 degrees. You have to think ahead. No one will save you from your unsave actions. You cannot unshoot a gun when your target became a friend.

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
6 weeks ago

Thanks, Hi-Jinks for that nice comment. I know how cold it can get in Wisconsin. I used to work for a company up there and spent some time in Milwaukee, but it wasn't half as cold as Minneapolis where I lived for 8 years. I think things are much worst today than eight years ago when we lived in Eden Prairie, MN, but a guy's got to have some protection in those areas. If you get a flat at night and someone comes by to help and it turns out that person just want's your wallet, then a stun gun is the minimum protection and maybe a gun would be a lot better. Thanks a lot for your perspective. Don White

Hi-Jinks profile image

Hi-Jinks  says:
6 weeks ago

Don,

We had a cool summer, Fall has been cool to freezing and wet. I had some new windows put in today. I heard about Minisoda, you know the joke. A writing teacher I know lives there.

I am 6'4" and over 250 pounds. I could kill someone without a gun.

Boardway and Montrose, fall of 1974, We lived in a third floor apartment at $60.00 a month. There were six murders in six month on the same block, a cat house behind the building ($6.00 per trick), go down the street to the laundry and you could smell hashish. Some of our group went to a near by bar, there they saw two cops. They were looking for someone. Within two hours both cpos were dead. Why did we stay? There was a great Pizza place on the corner, and we were young. Be Safe.

Mike

dusanotes profile image

dusanotes  says:
6 weeks ago

Thanks, Hi-Jinks, for that hair-raising story. Boy, that's a dangerous place. Thanks for commenting on this issue. I imiagine with your size you just look at them twice and scare them away. Unfortunately, most of us are not as big as you. Thanks again and have a great weekend. Don White

Submit a Comment

Members and Guests

Sign in or sign up and post using a hubpages account.


optional


  • No HTML is allowed in comments, but URLs will be hyperlinked
  • Comments are not for promoting your hubs or other sites

working