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can you have a 401k and an ira at the same time

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By swold


If you have the financial wherewithall to have the option to fund both a 401(k) and an IRA you are taking serious strides in the right direction.  The question often arises, though.  WIth all the rules surrounding retirement accounts in addtion to the sheer volume of different plans out there, can I participate in more than one at a time?  Off the top of my head we have several retirment vehicles available to the general populace including 401(k), 403(b), standard IRA, Roth IRA, Roth 401(k), SEP IRA, and Simple IRA.  That is a lot of different vehicles to be worried about! 

So can I contribute to both a 401k and IRA?

Let's start with this question, being are we able to contribute to both.  The quick answer is yes, everyone is fully able to contribute to both a 401(k) and an IRA.  Of course there are maximums in place for these vehicles which must be adhered to.  So the 2009 401(k) limit is $16,500 and the maximum contribution limit for IRA's is $5,000.  So you may contribute to both a 401(k) and a traditional IRA in the same year. 


Should I contribute to both a 401k and an IRA?

Here is where the rubber hits the road. We know that we can contribute to both vehicles, the question becomes should  we contribute to both.  This is where it becomes important to understand that there are certain income limits that make contributing to both not in your best economic interest.  The 401k is always tax deductible.  That should be a staple of your retirement windfall (especially since most employers give matching contributions).  The tricky part becomes the whether the IRA portion is tax deductible if you are contributing to a 401k.  This is all dependent on your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI).  It also changes depending on your finling status.  If single and MAGI over $53,000 then the IRA is not deductible.  After $53,000 the amount deducted is reduced until it is 0 at $63,000.  If married filing jointly and you contribute to a 401k then that limit is increased to $85,000 which is then decreased up until it will be 0 at $105,000. 

To make it even more convoluted, if you are married filing jointly and you don't contribute to a 401k, but your spouse does then the MAGI of the couple goes up to $159,000 and phases out at $169,000.

Roth IRA is likely your best best with 401k

If you meet the Roth IRA eligibility requirements then this is likely your best bet when combining with a 401k. There are income limits here and the money doesn't give you any pre-tax benefits, but once the money is in there all the earnings are tax free if you don't touch them until you are 59.5 years old. Sound advice is to max out your matching contributions to your employer plan (often times companies match a portion of your contribution up to 6% or similar). Make sure to take full advantage of that and then focus remaining finances on a Roth IRA for both you and your spouse (if you have one) until those are maxed out (again assuming that you fall under the ability to qualify for the Roth IRA).

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Mike  says:
4 weeks ago

Question: I make over 53K/yr. If I were to stop my 401k contributions and transfer my account balance to an IRA, would I then be regarded as not participating in the 401k, with full tax-deductibility for my IRA contributions? It doesn't seem fair that someone should lose out on full tax-deductibility on IRA contributions simply because their company offers a lousy 401k that they don't want to use anymore.

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swold  says:
3 weeks ago

My understanding is that so long as you have a company sponsored 401k you are bound by the rule on limiting traditional IRAs. Even if the 401k option is "lousy" as you put it.

Mike  says:
3 weeks ago

So to clarify -- if I neither contribute to, nor hold a balance in, a company-sponsored 401k, my personal IRA will still not be tax-deductible?

Sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself, but I want to get this right.

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swold  says:
3 weeks ago

Mike,

Here is the exact verbage from the IRS:

For 2009, if you are covered by a retirement plan at work, your IRA deduction will not be reduced (phased out) unless your modified AGI is:

* More than $55,000 but less than $65,000 for a single individual (or head of household),

* More than $89,000 but less than $109,000 for a married couple filing a joint return (or a qualifying widow(er)), or

* Less than $10,000 for a married individual filing a separate return.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p590/ch01.html#en_

It appears that you would not be phased out per those rules.

Mike  says:
2 weeks ago

If I stopped contributing, my modified AGI, now about 51K, would enter the 55K-65K sliding phaseout interval, since it would then include the post-tax portion of the 13K now going to my 401(k).

"[C]overed by a retirement plan at work" means exactly that. You're covered even if you're not contributing, or even if you’re not holding a balance there. It’s not fair, but such is life.

Thanks for your help.

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swold  says:
2 weeks ago

Mike,

It does appear you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Or should I say a crappy 401k program and the IRS! Perhaps a Roth IRA would suit you better?

Mike  says:
2 weeks ago

I'm already looking into it.

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swold  says:
2 weeks ago

Good deal Mike, I would think you should qualify no problem for a Roth. And if you are not going to get a tax credit for a tradtional IRA a Roth IRA would seem to be a smart move.

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