GOD'S MANIFESTATIONS: The Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ
78THE HOLY SPIRIT: GOD'S POWER FORCE
The Bible describes the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of the One True God in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament as the Spirit of Jesus Christ. There is no distinction between the two, for the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus are synonymous or the same Spirit. God uses the Holy Spirit to accomplish His great feats of creation, gives power to people to rule, and power of instruction and warning.
Nowhere in the Bible is the term "Spirit of God" or the "Spirit of Jesus Christ" called or classified as a "person" as claimed by the Trinitarians. God is a Spirit and His Spirit is a spirit. There is only one God in the Old Testament and Jesus is God in the flesh in the New Testament (John 1:1,14). God, The Spirit of God and Jesus Christ are the One and Only True God.
THE HOLY SPIRIT AS GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
In the first two quotes, God refers to the Holy Spirit in the first person pronoun. The rest of the quotes are from Jesus, Paul and Peter quoting the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of God.
1. The Lord God said, "And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them" (Ezekiel 36:27).
2. "And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord" (Ezekial 37:14).
3. Jesus described the Holy Spirit in John 4:24: "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him spirit and in truth."
4. Paul in I Corinthians 12:6 quotes: "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."
5. Peter said in Acts 5:3.4: "Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost ... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."
THE WORK OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
A. THE HOLY SPIRIT CREATES
The Spirit of God created many wonderful things, the earth and the heavens and gave life to human beings.
In the beginning of creation, the "Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters" (Genesis 1:2).
"Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created:" (Psalm 104:30).
"By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens" (Job 26:13).
"The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life" (Job 33:4).
B. THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVES POWER TO PEOPLE
God gave power to different people like Joseph, Joshua, Bezalel, Samson and Daniel the ability to rule, leadership, knowledge, craftsmanship, strength and interpretation of dreams.
God's Spirit gave Joseph the ability to rule (Genesis 41:38-41).
Joshua was given leadership ability to lead the Israelites into the land of Canaan (Num 27:18-20; Deu 34:9).
God enabled seventy elders to rule over Israel (Num 11:16-17).
He gave knowledge and craftmanship to Bezalel and others (Ex 31:2-6; 35:30-31).
God gave Samson tremendous strength (Jud 14:6,19; 15:14; 16:28-30).
Daniel was given the ability to interpret the dreams of Nebuchadnezer (Dan 4:8-9,18; 5:14; cf 1:17-20).
C. THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVES INSTRUCTION
The Holy Spirit gives Warning and Prophecy from the Prophets (Nehemiah 9:30; Zechariah 7:12; Hebrews 1:1; 2 Peter 1:21).
The Spirit of the Lord made David prophesy ( 1 Samuel 16:13; 2 Samuel 23:2).
God's spirit moved Zecharish to warn king Joash (2 Chronicles 24:20-22).. Micaiah predicted that king Ahab would die in the battlefield (1 Kings 22: 13-25.
God's spirit brought Ezekiel to speak about the captivity in Chaldea (Ezekiel 11:22-25).
The Spirit of the Lord made Micah declare the transgression of Israel (Micah 3:8).
GOD'S OTHER MANIFESTATION: JESUS CHRIST
GOD IN HUMAN FORM
Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh in John 1:1, 14.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (v. 14)And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth,..."
It is clearly seen in Isaiah 9:6 that Jesus is the Son and called Wonderful Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. The Son and Father are blended into one.
JESUS is GOD of the Old Testament
1. God is the Creator (Gen 1:1; Neh 9:5; Isa 42:5). Jesus is the Creator (Jn 1:1-3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:10).
2. God is the Savior (Isa 43:11; Hos 13:4). Jesus is the Savior (Lk 2:11; Acts 4:12; Jude 24).
3. God is King (Ps 10:16; 96:10). Jesus is King (Rev 11:15).
4. God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords (Deu 10:17; Dan 2:47). Jesus is the Lord of lords (Rev 17:14; 19:16).
5. God is the Lord of life (Deu 32:39; Jer 38:16). Jesus is the Lord of life (Jn 1:4; 11:25; 14:6).
6. God is the first and the last (Isa 44:6; 48:12). Jesus is the first and the last (Rev 1:17; 22:13).
THE SPIRIT of JESUS in the NEW TESTAMENT
God gives the Spirit of God into the hearts of man and leads, guides and helps them to obey the commandments of God.
1. "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father" (Gal. 4:6).
2. "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Co 3:17).
3. In the incident of the Ethiopian eunuch and Philip (Acts 8:26-29), the Spirit said unto Philip, "Go near and join thyself to this chariot" (v.29) ... "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the the Lord caught away Philip" (v.39).
4. The disciples were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to preach the word in Asia (Acts 16:6).
5. "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" (Rom 8:8,9).
The Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit (Ghost) and the Spirit of Jesus Christ are the same, for the Holy Spirit is God and is also Jesus Christ, our Saviour.
WIKIPEDIA
The Trinity is a Christian doctrine, stating that God exists as three persons, or in the Greek hypostases, but is one being.[1][2] The persons are understood to exist as God the Father, God the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. Since beginning of the third century[3] the doctrine of the Trinity has been stated as "that the one God exists in three Persons and one substance, Father, Son and Holy Spirit".[4]Trinitarianism, belief in the Trinity, is a mark of Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism and all the mainstream traditions arising from the Protestant Reformation, such as Anglicanism, Lutheranism and Presbyterianism; and the Trinity has been described as "the central dogma of Christian theology".[4]
Opposing nontrinitarian positions held by some groups include Binitarianism (two /persons/aspects), Unitarianism onedeity/person/aspect), the Oness belief held by certain Pentecostal groups, Modalism, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' view of the Godhead as three separate beings are one in purpose rather than essence.
IS "TRINITY" BIBLICALLY CORRECT? NO
No such word as "Trinity" exists in the whole Bible, but is a word coined in the third century by theologians. The Old Testament insists there is only one God and no one else. The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-6) tells us in the first three commandments, "I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the house of bondage. (3) Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
How can Christians who believe in the One True God classify "God" as a person, when throughout the Bible, He is said to be "Spirit"? How can the Spirit of God be named as a "Person" when He is called the "Spirit of the Lord?" How can man bring low the status of God to that of MAN? Man is not eternal. Man has earthly feelings and thoughts. God is righteous, self-existent and does not consult with other men for decisions. God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit is "His Power Force" and Jesus Christ is GOD's HUMAN FORM." There is only ONE GOD!
ONE TRUE GOD
God, the Holy Spirit (power force), and Jesus Christ (human form) are the One true God, and not three persons in One as claimed by the Trinitarians.
"I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
"There is none other God but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4).
"Unto thee it was shewed, that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him" (Deu 4:35; 6:4;).
"Neither is there any God beside thee" (2 Sam 7:22)
"Thou art God alone" (Ps 86:10).
"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12:29).
"there is none other God but one" (1 Cor 8:4).
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Tim 2:5).
"FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE." (1 John 5:7).
AMEN
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Dear viralprospector, Thank you for your comments. Your #1 priority is to have a strong unity among Christians. That is good, but you are missing the poiint. You cannot just bury anything that is despicable and abhorrent to the One Holy God throughout the whole Bible, and say we need unity. How can we agree if you do not put what you disagree on the table, but sweep it aside and say, OK, We are united.
I respect you as a brother in Christ, but we can agree to disagree. This has been going on for how many centuries, from the third century until now, the twenty-first century. Eighteen centuries! Some Pentecostals agree with me. Praise and thank the Lord. We cam be civilized and talk it out.
I am not trying to pick a fight, but giving my thoughts. You have not quoted not one verse which shows that what I say is completely wrong. I still maintain that calling "God" a person is demeaning. You should talk to a Jew and note his reaction when you mention that "God" is a person.
At the time I am replying, I get a note that my computer was being attacked from Norton. Even while I was penning the article, I had attacks from the devil. I prayed to God and He delivered me. Praise and thank the Lord.
We agree to disagree, but I hope others will see my point of view, which is biblical.
Until the next time, we disagree. Have a good night!
Well, I wanted to write my reply to you in the effort to keep peace, hoping other Christians would also refrain. You have put words in my mouth, so for that, I will say please refrain from that type of action. I do feel that your goals are far different from mine here. It is not my responsibility to say why or even if I agree or disagree with you.
I will say what I want, no more or no less. I just resent dissent among God's children. You see it differently, and that is apparent from your post and subsequent reply. Thank you for allowing me to respond, and I could do that. In fact, in a private believer's Bible study, I would respond. I question the topic you selected was my point. It is well known what the topics of disagreement in our faith are, and I think they are best addressed outside a public forum where most people will just see us as combative. That is unfortunate for Him.
Again, I wish you and all Christians on Hubpages peace that is not and has not been present here. I think God would be properly glorified by showing that we do embody His love. I am starting to agree with the detractors from Christianity that we can show a more loving approach. I say this in general, not to you.
I am sorry to see your final shot about disagreeing again later. It is truly very sad to me, not funny as probably will be said was intended. Peace in Him.
I admit that when I first started reading this, I was confused as to where you were going with it. I also read the comments that have already been made. I am reminded of the time when Jesus stated that he will pray the Father to send the disciples another comforter.
The word ANOTHER has a great meaning and emphasis in the verse of scripture. In order to have another of one thing, you must have one first. The Holy Ghost is identical to Jesus in every way, who is identical to God in every way.
God the Father poured His spirit into the body of a man, Jesus. The Holy Ghost likewise is poured into the body of men, those who believe. Even though they are one and the same, they are still distinct. This doesn't mean there are three different ones, but that there are three different tasks at hand.
Jesus died for the sins of all men. The Holy Ghost didn't die, but yet guides us into all truth.
Thank you both for your comments. I have said what I did to viralprospector and I am not going to repeat myself.
As for Sir Dent, I also respect your view just as God respects all our views throughout the days of our lives. However, at the time of judgment, God will deal His righteous judment on us. He allows us to make mistakes but when we find our mistakes and confess we are wrong, He will forgive us. Let God be the Judge. Peace and shalom in Hebrew.
Einron;
Please do not get mad. If you do not want to answer my questions, that is fine. Just ignore me if you like. I have no problem with that.
Let me ask you this? Do you think you know what God is doing right now? I am positive you would say that you have no clue. God became man in the form of Jesus. Can we agree on that? If so, what makes you think you can accurately say that God is not a man? God is infinite. Neither of us can comprehend God. Isn't that the point of God? If God wants to be a man, He is a man. It is that simple. Why should we be trying to box God into being only a spirit. Sure He is a spirit, but we could not even look at God anyway. God knew everything before He ever created it. Where is His limit then?
God will judge us all in the end. However, it is important to note that Jesus will be our mediator to God. We will come through Jesus who is God. I agree with Sir Dent's assessment. Are you saying that you do not? Your description of end of life judgement seems to be somehow saying that either me or SirDent or both is not saved, by your judgement criteria. Maybe, like SirDent, I am confused what you are saying.
I apologize for posting, but when my and others' salvation are brought into the discussion, that is another matter entirely. That is an accusation that no one should take lightly, certainly not me.
viralprospector,
I am not mad with you at all. I do welcome comments even though it may conflict with my thoughts. To each his own.
You asked how did I know that God was not a man. Please quote me a verse in the Bible which says God is a man.
You said: "Why whould we be trying to box God into being a a spirit?"
Answer: We are certainly not trying to box God into a spirit. The Spirit of God is His limitless force of power. (a) Raise Jesus from the dead (Rom. 8:11) (b) Destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen. 13:10) (c) Gives diverse spiritual gifts, Spirit of wisdom, faith, working of miracles, healing, discerning of spirits, interpretation of tongues (1 Cor 12:1-11).
I certainly did not imply that you and Sir Dent will not be saved. Only God will judge us on the Day of Judgment. Warnings apply to everybody who do not do the will of God. I am a mere human being and do not have such powers. The powers rest on the Almighty God.
Do not misread me. The thief on the cross was saved at the last minute of his life when he confessed his sins. I am only a servant of God. Praise the Lord for His love and mercy.
How many God's are there? Hopefully, you will answer - only one. How is it that Jesus, a man, was able to claim "I am"? Was God not in existence at that time or was Jesus lying? Of course not. Because He is God, they are one and the same. Yes Jesus can sit at His right hand and still be God, as well. It kind of blows your mind, but it gives indication of the awesomeness of God.
Let me turn around your question for you? Where does it say that God isn't capable of being a man? Of course, that is totally absurd to think that He cannot if He wants. He created everything, and He can do everything. So, can you safely say that God is not a man this very second? Does the Bible say that He is not?
My point is nothing like you portray it. I believe that God can do whatever He wants whenever He wants. The Bible could not possibly be long enough to describe God fully. No words could come close. The Bible is the information He wanted to share with us.
You mentioned salvation to me and SirDent for some reason, and you still did not say why. By the way, the thief was not saved when he confessed his sins. I would recommend Luke 23:39-43 to see that the thief instead called on Jesus' name. He was importantly saved only later when Jesus said he was saved. Had Jesus not said it, then it would never have happened. It is important not to leave out that step, as I am sure you realize. Salvation is not any automatic. I am not sure what your belief is, but salvation is the sole authority of Jesus. Rev 21:8 has important updates on the actual salvation criteria, as also stated in other scriptures like Gal 5: 19-21.
All this, and all I wanted was peace here. I told you that this was a contentious issue, and we did not even deal with the contentious issue. Let our detractors say that we cannot even agree. We deserve their scorn.
viral prospector,
Thanks for your comments though I still disagree with you. It matters not much what detractors say. Words that are not true, cannot hurt. Words that are true will hurt if one is wrong.
You said: The thief was not saved when he confessed his sins."
My answer: Romans 10:9,10: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
You said: "He created everything, and He can do everything. So, can you safely say that God is not a man this very second? Does the Bible say that He is not?"
My answer: Of course! I can definitely say that GOD IS NOT A MAN. God is a spirit and can do anything and everything. We do not worship MAN but GOD.
You said: "Does the Bible say that He is not?"
My answer: 2 Timothy 3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
Matthew 18:16: In the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Give me 2 citations from the Bible which supports your claim.
I fully agree with the statement that salvation is of Jesus Christ!
You said: Let our detractors say that we cannot even agree. We deserve their scorn.
My Answer: You seem to fear the opinions of others more than you care about the truth. Truth is truth and you cannot hide it very long. It will come out in the wash.
Let us have a prayer that we still believe in Jesus Christ, and work towards perfection in word or deed. Be fearful for nothing, for in God and Jesus Christ we trust. Amen.
I shared this with a friend of mine who is a gifted teacher as well and asked her what her thoughts were. I really like her response and don't think I could have said it better myself so I'm going to cut and paste it.
"THEOLOGY" is just that....an idea....no one can prove for sure how it all works, just like there are different denominations based on the Theology of Tongues, baptism, and the list goes on and on...I was once huge into apologetics and I have come to the conclusion that I (and all the scholars) can't totally know the mind of God....I believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, that he promised the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me, which I can truly feel and hear, and I believe that God is the one true God ....how it all fits together I can assure you that no one knows, but I do believe the enemy would have us chase our tails (and time on the internet) babbling about things that we will have no answers to this side of heaven....Jesus says that we are to LOVE...that's an action word....that in and of it's self takes up plenty of my time...I have found the issues of theology (and I was all about that at one time) to be a waste of time...that's exactly what Jesus hated about the Pharisees...the wasted time arguing and debating about issues that don't make a difference in the kingdom...
Hello einorn, I read your hub and the comments... There is one thing about your hub that is not always effective when giving a point. That is when taking only a few words from a verse and making your truth with it. I have gathered some scripture together and I think it covers much of your hub. Read these passages. I use the NIV version of the bible... Wisdom from the Spirit (1Corinthians 2:10-16)The Supremacy of Christ (Colossians 1:15-20)Test the Spirits (1John 4:1-3)God's Love and Ours (1John 4:7&8) Note I also added the passage about love, Christine is right. Speak the truth in love, it's the power of God!
Christinekv,
Thank you for your comments. Jesus is the only way, and unless we find the door that leads to salvation, we cannot get in. The Bible has all the answers and we must completely adhere to the commandments set by Jesus Christ, we cannot get salvation. Jesus is sinless and righteousness. We as human beings are weak and we must strive and change for the better. We must God for the Holy Spirit to empower us with knowledge of the wisdom of God to solve our problems. Ask and you shall receive.
John 14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Another example, take the subject of Immigration to U.S. No matter how much you love migrating to U.S., you cannot enter into U.S. unless you satisfy all the regulations of the land. One has to study the rules on how to qualify or else, you have no chance at all.
Another example: Entry into the work place. It's the same thing! Unless you are qualified for the post, there is no way to enter the position. You cannot be an uneducated person if you wish to work in a university or any place in finance or any job. You must be qualified.
Jesus loves everybody and wants everybody to qualify. He even washed the feet of Judas Iscariot. Of course, Jesus knew what sort of man Judas was, but He hoped that Judas would change. But Judas betrayed Him.
Matthew 7:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Matthew 7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
May the Lord guide us, and not man. Pray to God for answers and He will find you a way. Ignorance is not bliss. God bless!
Tyhill27,
Thanks for the comments and the quotes from the Bible. The citations from the Bible are perfect because they are the inspiried words of God through Paul and John.
The object of the article is to show that "Trinity" is an incorrect interpretation of "Three Persons" in the Godhead. I am disputing the naming of God as a "Person" and the Holy Spirit as a "Person". Please read again what I replied to viral prospector. We should all pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Peace!
From what I understand about the trinity is not that the Trinity is divided but that it is three parts of the same God. For example you are one person but you have three parts, body soul and spirit. In Matthew Jesus speaks about his "Father in Heaven" Matthew 7:11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!Matthew 7:10-12 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter) Matthew 7:21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.Now since Jesus was speaking the very words of God, it is clear that the spirit is not the same as the father, yet they are one God. What are your thoughts on those two scriptures?
tyhill27,
Thanks for the comments. I agree that the Godhead are three in One. That point is not disputed for it is correct. The dispute is in demeaning or insulting our Almighty God by calling Him a "Person" and His Spirit also a "Person". Where is the honour and glory attributed to the calling? Both God and the Holy Spirit are two parts of the Godhead, and Jesus is the third dimension. It is not splitting hairs. We must honour and glorify God at all times. A person or a man has many faults and limitations - his life, deeds, love, works are all limited. God is above all mankind and should not be denigrated, blackened or defamed in any way. We should look up to and worship God with awe and glorify Him always. Praise the Lord God. Glory to His name!
In Revelation 22:18-19, we are told not to add any words unto the scriptures or to subtract from the words of the Bible. We would be cursed for doing this. The Bible is sacred to us and not to be tampered with.
I am glad that you gave comments so I can clarify more my views on the subject. It is to the glory of God that all submitted comments allow me to make more clear what I have written. All glory to God!
Hi,
Interested in your feedback on the enclosed Bible study concerning who might be the 7 spirits of God in the book of Revelation.
Your eternal friend in Jesus,
Richard
WILL GABRIEL SOUND THE 7TH AND LAST TRUMPET AT THE 2ND COMING OF THE SON OF DAVID AND COULD GABRIEL POSSIBLY BE DAVID? AND WHO ARE THE 7 SPIRITS OF GOD IN REVELATION??
Revelation 8:2: "I saw the 7 angels who STAND BEFORE GOD. And to them were given 7 Trumpets." Rev 10:7: "In the days when the 7th angel is about to sound his Trumpet the "MYSTERY" of God will be accomplished, just as He announced to His servants the prophets." As in I Cor 15:51,52: "Listen I tell you a "MYSTERY": We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the Last {And 7th} Trumpet. For the {7th & LAST} Trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." Rev 11:15-18: "The 7th angel sounded his {7th & LAST} Trumpet, and there were loud voices in Heaven which said: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of the Lord and His Christ… The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints… and for destroying those who destroy the earth.’" The 7th and last Trumpet which is to be sounded just before the 2nd Coming of Jesus is also mentioned in Matt 24:31 and I Thess 4:16 for a total of 7 times in God's Word.
Why do some believe that Gabriel may be the 7th Angel who will sound the 7th and last trumpet?? Gabriel was God’s messenger for the prophecy of the 70 7’s in Daniel 9:21-27 and Gabriel announced the birth of the Messiah Jesus to Mary in Luke 1:26-37. God also sent Gabriel to foretell the coming of John the Baptist to his father Zechariah. And in Luke 1:19 we read "The angel answered {Zechariah}, "I am Gabriel, I stand in the PRESENCE OF GOD {Just like the 7 angels with 7 trumpets STAND BEFORE GOD in Rev 8:2!} and I have been sent to you to tell you this good news."
Did you know that Daniel was inspired by God to call Gabriel a "MAN"! Daniel 9:21 "While I was still in prayer, Gabriel , the "MAN" I had seen in my earlier vision {See Dan 8:15,16} came to me in swift flight!" And so God's inspired Word absolutely confirms that Gabriel is a "MAN" and therefore not an angel!!
Gabriel is called both an angel in Luke 1:19 & 26 and a "MAN" {2 TIMES!} in Dan 8:15 & 9:21! Note: Gabriel in Hebrew means "BRAVE AND VALIANT MAN OF GOD"!
Why do some believe that the angel Gabriel may also be David?? Gabriel is mentioned just twice in the OT in Daniel 8:15 & 9:21 almost 500 years after the death of David. God has given another name to many of His favorite servants such as Saul {Paul} and Peter {Simon}. Gabriel in Hebrew means "brave and valiant "MAN" of God" and David was the bravest "MAN" of God in the OT {ie Goliath, etc etc etc}. David, who wrote most of the Psalms, was also a "MAN after God’s own heart" as per ACTS 13:22: "God made David their King. God testified concerning him, ‘I have found David son of Jesse a MAN AFTER MY OWN HEART; HE WILL DO EVERYTHING I WANT HIM TO DO.’"
All angels were created by God as angels and they do not later become men. The Greek word for angel is "angelos" and can be translated "angel" or "messenger". In Mathew 11:10; Mark 1:2 and Luke 7:27 John the Baptist is called "angelos" and he was certainly not an angel and so these verses correctly use the word "messenger" rather than "angel". And so when Gabriel is called an "angelos" in Luke 1:29 & 35 it could be translated "angel" or "messenger." The Hebrew word for angel is "MALAK" and is translated 'messenger' about 83 times in the OT including Malachi 2:7: "For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction--because he is the MESSENGER {MALAK} of the Lord Almighty." "MALAK" is translated "ANGEL" 99 times and "MESSENGER" 83 times in the OT. "Angelos" is translated "angel" 169 times and "messenger" only 6 times in the NT. However, if Gabriel and the 7 angels in Revelation are rightly called "messengers" and not "angels" then "angelos" should be translated "messenger" about 70 times and "angel" about 105 times in the NT.
How can we be a man or a woman after God’s own heart?? First, we can read God’s wonderful Words every day {Ps 119:97} and every night {Ps 119:148} just like David who wrote Psalm 119. And we can hide God’s Word in our hearts so that we might not sin against Him {Ps 119:11} and we can obey God’s {NT now} commands with all of our hearts with love {Ps 119:34,37; Jer 29:13; Matt 22:37-40} just like David. And then if we obey all of God’s {NT} commands {James 1:22} and teach others to do the same {Matt 28:20a} we may then become a man or a woman after God’s own heart just like David in Acts 13:22!!
Jesus was born in the "Town of DAVID" {See Luke 2:4,11} and Jesus is called the "Son of DAVID" 17 times in the NT. Luke 1:26,27,31-33: God sent the angel {or messenger} Gabriel to Nazareth to a virgin pledged to a man Joseph, a descendant of DAVID… The messenger said to her …. "You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his FATHER DAVID, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, His Kingdom will never end."
David lived to age 70 and was the 7th son of Jesse {See 2 Chronicles 2:13-15}. God appointed Gabriel {Or David?} to announce the Prophecy of the 70 7’s which states in Daniel 9:24 "70 7’s have been decreed… to bring in everlasting righteousness!" and Gabriel {Or David??} may very well be the 7th angel OR MESSENGER to sound the 7th Trumpet that will bring in Everlasting Righteousness when the Son of DAVID born in the Town of DAVID and Who sits on the throne of DAVID comes again!!
WHO ARE THE 7 SPIRITS OF GOD IN REVELATION??
Rev 4:5b: "BEFORE God’s Throne, 7 lamps are blazing. These are the 7 spirits of God!" Rev 8:2: "I saw the 7 angels {Or 7 messengers} who STAND BEFORE God, and to them were given 7 Trumpets." Question?? Are the 7 angels OR MESSENGERS who STAND BEFORE God also the 7 lamps BEFORE God’s Throne who are the 7 spirits of God?? Hebrews 1:14 states that "ALL ANGELS OR MESSENGERS ARE ministering SPIRITS."
The 7 spirits of God are mentioned 4 times in God’s Word as follows" Rev 1:4: "'Grace and peace' to you from Him Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come and from the 7 spirits BEFORE His Throne and from Jesus Christ, who is the Faithful Witness." Rev 4:5b: "BEFORE God's Throne, 7 lamps are blazing. These are the 7 spirits of God." The 7 spirits are 7 distinct beings who can communicate and are before God’s Throne and do not have a throne of their own. Rev 3:1: Jesus said, "These are the Words of Him who HOLDS the 7 spirits of God." Rev 5:6 "The Lamb has 7 horns and 7 eyes, which are the 7 spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Jesus HOLDS or controls the 7 spirits and sends them out [AS MESSENGERS] into all the earth.
There are some who say that the 7 spirits {Plural} of God should be translated the 7-fold spirit {Singular} of God. And they site Isaiah 11:2 as proof of this since they say that the Spirit of the Lord has 6 attributes in this verse. However Isaiah 11:1 shows that these 6 attributes of the spirit are actually 6 attributes of Jesus who is the Shoot or Branch of Jesse: Isaiah 11:1,2: "A Shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch {Jesus} will bear fruit. The Spirit of the Lord will rest upon Him {Jesus not the holy spirit or 7 spirits of God}--the Spirit of {1} wisdom and of {2} understanding, the Spirit of {3} counsel and of {4} power, the Spirit of {5} knowledge and the {6} fear of the Lord."
Rev 1:20;16a; 3:1: Jes
Richard Schurz,
"WILL GABRIEL SOUND THE 7TH AND LAST TRUMPET AT THE 2ND COMING OF THE SON OF DAVID AND COULD GABRIEL POSSIBLY BE DAVID? AND WHO ARE THE 7 SPIRITS OF GOD IN REVELATION??"
Gabriel could or not be the angel who will sound the 7th and last trumpet at the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ.
Angels are sent as Mighty Messengers:
1. They give warning to the chosen and save the chosen (Gen. 19:12-22).
2. They announce God's law (Ac 7:53,38).
3. The report God's message to man (Lk 2:10).
4. They fight against Satan and help the believers (Rev 12:7,8; Dan 10:21).
5. They are in charge of human wafare (Rev 7:1-3; 9:13-15).
QUESTION COULD GABRIEL POSSIBLY BE DAVID? Definitely NOT.
Angels are servants of God (Heb 1:5,14). Men are Children of God (Lk 3:38; 1 Jn 3:1)
The two categories do not interchange.
QUESTION: Gabriel is called both an angel in Luke 1:19 & 26 and a "MAN" {2 TIMES!} in Dan 8:15 & 9:21! Note: Gabriel in Hebrew means "BRAVE AND VALIANT MAN OF GOD"!
ANSWER
Richard Schurz,
Sorry I did not complete the answer. It was nearing 2:00 a.m. and I accidentally touched the wrong key and the message was sent without my completing what I intended to do.
QUESTION: Gabriel is called both an angel in Luke 1:19 & 26 and a "MAN" {2 TIMES!} in Dan 8:15 & 9:21! Note: Gabriel in Hebrew means "BRAVE AND VALIANT MAN OF GOD"!
ANSWER: In Daniel 8:15, it is written in KJV "there stood before me as the appearance of a man." It means "appear as of a man, " not called a man.
Daniel 9:21 does describe Gabriel as a man. I cannot really say that it could be a mistranslation, but I do know that earlier I said that angels and men do not change their roles. You can say some women behave as men and vice versa, but they still remain the same sex no matter how they appear to be.
Dont forget that angels are spirits and men are physical beings, made from dust. Angels are created spirits before the world was created. Man was created after the world was created.
What reason could it be for Gabriel to become David?
Angels who appeared before men looked like men. If they looked differently, would not the people they appear before ran away from fear if they look like talking animals or other weird objects. The angels who were sent as messengers appeared as men.
The angels who appeared before Abraham and Lot looked like "men".
And now the last question, the seven spirits.
God is the only one God and His manifestations are the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ. I have explained it fully in GOD'S MANIFESTATIONS: THE Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ: http://www.hubpages.com/hub/godsmanifestationsholy
The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus Christ are the same and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus Christ. The seven spirits of God are explained clearly in Isaiah 11:2.
God bless.
I say the Holy Spirit is The Lord God as Jesus said you can only get to the Father thur him and that you can ask the Father for anything in his name
musicman1161
Thank you for your comments. You are absolutely correct! The Holy Spirit is the power of the Lord God.
Dear Fellow Hubbers,
The argument of the Godhead that is centered on the word “Person” is very unfortunate because it divides Christians. I have studied both the Trinitarian and the Oneness Pentecostal theologies and discovered they are almost identical except for the word “Person”. Both theologies state the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the One True God. Both deny there are three gods. Both agree the Three are One. If we do not use the word “Person” to describe the Godhead of the One True God there will be no arguments.
Christians should not argue and fight one another when we all agree that God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Christianity’s common enemy is Judaism and Islam that do not believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, much less the Almighty God Himself. Even more dangerous are those who claim to be Christians but they are not – The Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, Christian Scientists, Christadelphians, New Age Movement, Freemasonry, etc – the list goes on. They are heretics that twist the Scriptures to propagate Satan’s great big lie that the Lord Jesus Christ is only the Son of God but not the One True God. Not believing Jesus Christ is the One True God will lead one to hell (John 8:23-27).
The second argument on this Hub is whether or not God is a Man. God is God and man is man. God is divine and man is human. God is immortal - He cannot die. Man is mortal - he can die. For the sake of saving mankind from sin God became a man so that He could die and shed blood and redeem man from sin. This is the only way that God saves man. Here is the truth about the Lord Jesus Christ who has two natures – one is divine and the other is human. He is both God and Man. In His Spirit Jesus is God, therefore He states “God is Spirit” (John 4:24). In His flesh He is a Man. “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,” (1 Tim. 2:5).
I hope that this comment will help to clear up some confusion, and help all of us to understand the truth and bring Christians closer to one another. May God bless y’all.
Arkwriter
Arkwriter
Thanks for the comments. Completely true. All glory to the Lord God.
Good job and yes just like Arkwritter said everything you wrote is completly true, It is only the advocate "Jesus Christ who can speak on our behalf to God Almighty, We must be humble and willing to go to a bended knee and praise our Lord and Savior knowing we are so un-worthy of everything he has given us!
God Bless Good Job
You have stated that God is the Father, Jesus is God in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit is God in us. This is what the "trinity" word means. Three in ONE. The word Elohim is PLURAL (Hebrew #430) of the ONE God (Hebrew #433) Eloahh. Elohim created the earth (John 1:1). The Word was with God and the Word was God. We are told that Elohim created, the Word was spoken, the Spirit moved. Also, in Isaiah 40:3 states to prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah) Hebrew #3068. John the Baptist quoted Isaiah when he claimed to be the one prophesied preparing the way of Jesus, our Lord (John 1:23). Jesus was of course crucified for claiming to be God, forgiving sins and so forth.
Just like the English word HELL is used for Sheowl, Hades, Tartaroos and Geenna, the word RAPTURE is used in reference to being "caught up" in the clouds when Jesus comes, the word TRINITY is used to describe God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. In Jesus dwelt the fullness of the GODHEAD bodily. Jesus prayed to His Father. Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit on the disciples. Jesus left to sit at the right hand of His Father and sent us the Holy Spirit. We pray to God though we are indwelt with His Holy Spirit.
As far as "persons" go? Do we not refer to God as "He" and Jesus as "He" and the Spirit as "He". Indeed this personifies each as "He".
Even in Revelation when John saw God and the Lamb, he speaks of hands, sitting, feet and so forth. We are made in His image. He gave us a physical body. The world was created and it is indeed physical. The LIFE is the Spirit (breath or blast of air) AMEN.
Nothing in your hub appears to be wrong, just your predisposition that those who use this WORD of TRINITY are UNSAVED. I would admonish you in doing this. In His love, Carrie
Carrie Bradshaw,
YOU WROTE: As far as "persons" go? Do we not refer to God as "He" and Jesus as "He" and the Spirit as "He". Indeed this personifies each as "He".
ANSWER: GOD is SPIRIT and not a "PERSON" and neither is the HOLY SPIRIT another person. God should never be addressed as a PERSON. You should never personalized HIM and GOD should never be equated as a human being.
Dictionary: The immaterial part of man, the soul; this as not connected with a physical body, a disembodied soul or supernatural being.
Is God visible? Is the Holy Spirit visible?
Can you say that we believe in GOD the Person or The Person in the HOLY SPIRIT?
How can there be three persons in one God? We should believe in only one God and no one else.
John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.
1 Corinthians 8:4 - There is none other God but one
Don't we worship only "ONE GOD"? The HOLY SPIRIT is the manifestation of GOD's power.
YOU WROTE: Nothing in your hub appears to be wrong, just your predisposition that those who use this WORD of TRINITY are UNSAVED. I would admonish you in doing this. In His love, Carrie
ANSWER: The Lord God will teach you Himself.
Anyway, thanks for your comments, whether I agree or not is another matter.
Well, I appreciate your passion about this subject. The word "persons" is used to describe His three attributes and operations (again, the Word uses "He" so we can understand better). Jesus was God in the flesh. He said, if we have seen Him (in the flesh), we have seen the Father. Yes, God is Spirit. There is NO ARGUMENT from Christians saved by the blood of the Lamb. It's merely a matter of explaining Elohim, the plural of the ONE Divine God who works in three manifestations as shown throughout the Word.
God bless you!
M Dawson17,
I thought I had replied to you earlier but apparently I did not. Apology. Thank you for writing. We should really go down on bended knees for all God had done for us. All glory to God.
einron, I just looked up the word "one" in the passages quoted above (John 10:30 and 1 Cor 8:4) They are from the Greek word #1520 heis (as in one another). It is the same "one" as used to describe the husband and wife being ONE (Greek #3391 mia, feminine of 1520) in 1 Cor 6:16. I hope this shines some light on the subject :-) God bless you and those who read. AMEN
Carrie Bradshaw,
Thanks so much for your gracious reply. May God use us in His work and may He give us wisdom to understand His words. God bless.
Hey there einron
Seems all have had a say.
Well here is mine. the key word is " us" and who is " us" and second key word is " our" ....
Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
"US" refers to Gods make up
Ge:1:2: And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Ge:1:3: And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Ge:2:4: These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
First mentioned " Spirit of God"
Second is mentioned "God said" ... Word of God
Third mentioned " LORD God".
God was never called Father in the OT, only Jesus taught about the Father.
I covered this in Gods description on my hub.
God bless, we at least believe in Jesus Christ which is the most important
HOOWANTSTO NO,
YOU WROTE: "US" refers to Gods make up
ANSWER: God's make up in your words refers to the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ.
The British royalty speaks always in the plural form. Queen Victoria said, "We are not amused" when she refers to herself. This is what we call the royal prerogative.
YOU WROTE: God was never called Father in the OT, only Jesus taught about the Father
ANSWER: True. In the OT God was more impersonal and more removed than in the NT. Jesus introduced God as a Father to us in the NT. Likewise the Holy Spirit is said to dwell in our hearts and guide us in our daily life,
God bless.
<<ANSWER: True. In the OT God was more impersonal and more removed than in the NT. Jesus introduced God as a Father to us in the NT. Likewise the Holy Spirit is said to dwell in our hearts and guide us in our daily life,>>
I do not think that is true.
"Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you. (Deuteronomy 32:6)"He will cry to Me, 'Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.' (Psalm 89:26)For Thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name. (Isaiah 63:16)But now, O LORD, Thou art our Father, We are the clay, and Thou our potter; And all of us are the work of Thy hand. (Isaiah 64:8)"Have you not just now called to Me, 'My Father, Thou art the friend of my youth? (Jeremiah 3:4)"Then I said, 'How I would set you among My sons, And give you a pleasant land, The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!' And I said, 'You shall call Me, My Father, And not turn away from following Me.' (Jeremiah 3:19)
Jade,
YOU WROTE:
<<ANSWER: True. In the OT God was more impersonal and more removed than in the NT. Jesus introduced God as a Father to us in the NT. Likewise the Holy Spirit is said to dwell in our hearts and guide us in our daily life,>>
I do not think that is true.
ANSWER: I still defend my point that God is more personal in the NT because Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit both represent God the Father. People can relate more to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Hi there. You said:
THE MIGHTY GOD AND JESUS
The mighty God is omnipresent, omnipotent and all powerful. As proved by various people throughout the ages, there is only one God in the universe and that God dwells in heaven, is not seen by human beings as evidenced by Moses, Samuel, David, Mark and Paul. Who then is Jesus Christ but God's manifestation as His son on earth. All power is given to Jesus Christ on earth to act on behalf of God in heaven.
Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh in John 1:1, 14.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (v. 14)And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth,..."
To which I conclude:
Since...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among US...
All power is given to US on earth to act on behalf of God in heaven.
and suggest:
This power is our own human imagination.
pjk_artist,
To which I conclude:
Since...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among US...
All power is given to US on earth to act on behalf of God in heaven.
and suggest:
This power is our own human imagination.
ANSWER: POWER IS GIVEN TO JESUS WHO IS THE WORD, and not to us.
If we believe that we have power on earth, it is surely our own imagination.
1rst Timothy 3:16 states that GOD was manifest in the flesh. This is of course speaking about JESUS. So JESUS was GOD manifest in the flesh In Matthew 28:18 states that JESUS has all power in heaven and in earth. Now if JESUS CHRIST has all power in heaven and in earth then JESUS CHRIST has to be GOD ALMIGHTY. Because only GOD ALMIGHTY has ALL power . As a matter of fact Revelation 1:7,8,11 Declare that JESUS is the alpha and omega,the first and the last,and the ALMIGHTY. Now ,how many firsts and lasts csn there be and how many almighty's can there be ? ONLY ONE.
What is Fathr GOD'S name to the New Testament Church? It is JESUS. St. John 5:43 says that JESUS came in His Father's name. St. John 17:6 JESUS tolf the Father that He had manifested His name. What name did He manifest? JESUS.
Of course we know that the name of the Son is JESUS but what is the name of the Holy Ghost? According to St.John 14:26 JESUS told his apostles he was going away and that he would send them another comforter and that he would send this other comforter in His name . What name is that? JESUS .That is why that the apostles always Baptized in the name of JESUS CHRIST because they had the revelation that JESUS was the name of the Father,and the Son and the Holy Ghost. It should bother folks a little to be able to look and see for themselves that there was never a baptism in the bible performed into the Titles Father,Son,and Holy Ghost but always in the name of JESUS CHRIST. The name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost is the LORD JESUS CHRIST. The apostles knew what Matthew 28:19 meant but most so-called preachers and evangelist do not obey matthew 28:19 they merely repeat the command instead of obeying it.
Nathan Redman,
Sorry, I could not reply earlier for I had some problem with my computer and had to wait for reply from the Hub Team.
Glad we are of the same opinion. God bless.
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viralprospector says:
16 months ago
Hmm, I assume you are referring to the Trinitarian order of the Catholic church here. I know little about them, but I do think this could lead to some disagreements among Christians here.
Theologians would make a much more intensive study of the Holy Spirit, and it would lead to some slightly different interpretations due to the immense mention of the Holy Spirit, for the most part.
I think the point is this:
There is way more than enough Christian arguing on this board, in my humble opinion. This is probably among the top five doctrines that divide Christians. Maybe God would be best served for us to find other places for these divides (i.e. Bible study) in order to show a unity of peace among believers.
Thus, I will not share my 60-100 pages of research of the Holy Spirit here. I appreciate your right to your viewpoint, and I am very interested in having strong unity of Christians on this website. That is my #1 priority among believers on this forum. I see that you are a Christian, and I am glad to thereby be your brother in Him.
I pray that you have an enthusiastic Bible study that can make a detailed analysis of the Holy Spirit in the Bible with you. God bless you.