God's Judgment Against Homosexuallity
81Greetings once again to the word of God. How many of you readers think that God will accept homosexuals in the kingdom of God? Once you read through this article, you will surely pick a side to be on. Wither it be God's side or man's side, nothing will change the judgment the Lord have against sodomites, lesbians, bisexual's ( down-low brothers or sisters), or homosexuals.
The Lord wanted to see for himself this great sin the city of Sodom committed. Abraham was with the Lord and Abraham ask the Lord, will you destroy the righteous with the wicked. In Genesis 18:26 the Lord told him, if I find 50 righteous I will spare the place for their sakes. The Lord did not find 50, 45, 40, 30, neither did the Lord find 10 righteous people. Therefore, the Lord sent two angel's to destroy Sodom. Genesis 19: 1-4 let us know the angels were at the house of Lot when the men of Sodom, both old and young surrounded the house to lay with the men that were angels.
Genesis 19:6-9 inform us that Lot tried to plead with them concerning the law, and that this was wicked. The men of Sodom confronted Lot to tell him, who are you, a judge. They were going to deal with Lot worse than with the men in the house, The angels of the Lord pulled Lot into the house and blinded the men of Sodom at the door. In Genesis 19:12-13, the angel told Lot to get his family together and leave this place because "the LORD hath sent us to destroy it."
In 1 Kings 14:21-22 Rehoboam allowed Judah to do the things evil in the eyes of God; and there were sodomites in the land. A few years after Rehoboam another king rose up named Asa. 1 Kings 15:11 says Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord. Asa took away the sodomites out the land and so did his son Jehoshaphat, who reign in his fathers stead. Generations passed and the people had strayed away from God. The book of the law was lost and the people continues to sin. In 2 Kings chapter 22, a king came up named Josiah who reigned 31 years in Jerusalem. During this time of Josiah's rule, carpenter, builders and mason workers was repairing the house of the Lord. Hilkiah the priest was with the workers and he found the book of the Law. Hilkiah gave the book to Shapan the scribe to read it to the king.
After reading the book of the law Josiah gathered together elders, priest, prophets, and all the people small and great to read the book of the law to them. In 2 kings 23:3 Josiah made a covenant before the Lord and a agreement with the people to perform the words of this covenant in the book, and the people kept the covenant. During this time of obedience, Josiah killed the idolatrous priest and torn down their high places, stopped the children of Hinnom from sacrificing their kids to false gods,
and broke down the houses of the sodomites. Josiah did these things because in the book he read Leviticus 18: 22 and Leviticus 20:13, as well as Deuteronomy 22:5; 23: 17.
The world say Jesus done a new things and that we are under grace and not the law! But look at what the bible say...Romans 6:1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid." Romans 7:7 "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid." Read the WHOLE chapter one of Romans and see this NEW THING concerning homosexuals and bisexual's, and tell me is this something new. Romans chapter one sounds like consequences from breaking the laws in the book. These laws are still just, holy, and good. You know what else is good the judgment that is set forth for those you take pleasure in the vile acts of ungodliness. In 1 Corinthians 6: 9 effeminate correlates in the dictionary as being a man who is feminine; and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In Judges chapter 19, a Levite, his concubine and his servant traveled and lodged in the land of Benjamin. An old man took them into his home to cater to them that day. It is writing that Sodomites surrounded the house to get to know this man; the same as they desired in the city of Sodom. The old man told them "not to do this folly." I'll bring my daughter and the Levite concubine out ...but to this man do not so a vile thing. As you read the rest of Judges chapter 19, 20, 21 you see that thousand's and thousand's of Benjamites were killed because they condoned homosexuality. Read James 4:4 and know that we are not telling anyone to disrespect homosexuals because they are people too. Matter of fact the bible says, do good to all men. Our point is, don't give in to any manner of ungodliness, thinking it is okay.
Do you remember on the news this year of 2008 when the supreme court rule 4 to 3 in favor of same sex marriage in California? What did the homosexually say that was on the news...he said "today California tomorrow America." We know that homosexuality is all across America, but look at the example the God is showing us with California. Those examples are earthquakes and huge wild fires which was stated on the news, to be uncontained and burning for weeks at a time. We read in 2 Peter 2:6 that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha is an example to those that should live ungodly. Look what the bible says about preserving yourself blameless until he comes (1 Thess. 5:23). Are we blameless? Do we sin inadvertently or do we sin willfully. Which one will get you punished by God (2 Peter 2:9).
Let us continue to remember the consequences of sin. But for this case and point we leave you with a very important message from the prophet Jude.
Jude 1:5 "I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not...7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Pray for deliverance, IF you want to be delivered!
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Im ONLY a READER of the work of God. The message is NOT my own by GOD"S message. Im just a messenger. BY the way, you must be offended. and we do have a different God. If you thing This is hate Try reading the article and see what the Lord did to the ungodly.
Good job Nathanael. They can't say they weren't warned.
Praise the Lord SirDent. You see that it not my judgment or my call to degrade the ungodly people, But if we as messengers of God can not bring truth than what use are we to God as servants.
I tell you one thing, if i don't warn the people their blood will be on my head. And i have my own salvation to work out.
praise god in jesus name.
God din't write Romans---Paul did!! Go research all about Paul and his hatred. Research on why he wrote the books and that Jesus was not around when he wrote them.
Hate is Hate no matter what God you put it under. I am not homosexual either. The reason why those wild fires and earthquakes is not GOD but MAN raping the earth! Get your facts straight first bud.
Most homos are born that way----now if you had a child that was born that way--would you do the same thing to them as you are to the others??
Anotehr thing --what about all those babies that are born with both sexualparts----who is it that give that child his sex--Not God!!
God is all loving and all merciful---Satan would have you believe that he is a jealous and hateful and killing God. Jealousy and murder is against God's Commandments------how say you judge that one on that God who tells you to kill and be jealous and prideful?
Jusge not lest ye be judged!!
DEAR LADY GUINEVERE...Grace & Peace to our Father and to our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.Pay attention to the message Paul was giving to the Romans. Paul wrot about life in the spirit, which is given to BELIEVERS in Christ through faith. PPaul told them about God's great kindness and declared that because of Jesus Christ, God accepts us and sets us free from sins. What did YOU miss out of that.
If you see any HATRED in Paul be SPECIFIC with what you are talking about so we can have something to dicuss. furthermore, about MAN raping the earth...here's what the bible says about that...In the last days we see the characteristics of man mentioned in 2 Timothy 3:1-8. They are men of corrupt minds just like the men of Sodom & Gomarrah and the Benjamites; led away with divers lust. Hmmm!
in Your statement You say homos are born that way, but it is no excuse in Go'ds eyes for Homos to take upon themselves to endulge in vile affection toward the same sex...Hmmm! Read how they are NOT tempted by God but are drawn away by their own lust, in James 1:13-15.
According to your other statement about who gave a child both sexual parts...first you have to remember who is the creator of the body.
Exodus 4: 11 says "And the Lord said unto him, who have made man's mouth? or who make the DUMB, or DEAF, or the seeing, or the BLIND? have not I the Lord."
SEE THAT Sister LADY GUINEVERE. Having two sexparts is just as bad as being deaf, dumb or blind, ain't it. But my point is GOD DID IT! You remember this, and to those who have two sexparts...James 1 says when you fall into divers temptation, knowing this that the trying of your faith works patience. Therefore, you don't have to condone ungodly acts with both male and female just because you have both sex parts.
Your condition is between you and God and how you carry yourself (hopfully god-like) during you test of faith and endurance. Remember because of Daviv's sin the sword fell in his houshold.Maybe Morphidecism is a curse that fell on that persons household because of a relatives pass sins. That's the Lord's call to do what He please to us.
Furthermore, the Lord is a Jealous and killing God to those who continue to stay on his bad side, but He's also merciful & gracious. SISTER JUST DO MORE READING OF THE WORD OF GOD and pray for UNDERSTANDING
Grace & Peace bre unto you
In Jesus Name
its not your job to judge people
so stop it, its mean
and your a fuck head!
just thought i'd put that out there for ya... seems to be general agreement on that.
Don't call me sister, becaeu I am no sister of yours. I read that Bible back and forth and inside and outside. What that Bible is is history of peoples and how they treated others. You are not treating othere in any way shape of form like God would wnat you to treat them as. Yes, I have read the whole article and what I got form that article is all hatred of the kind that YOU have NO Understanding about. Do you even know any Homosexuals? If God didn't want them to do what they do with others of the same sex then why dreate them that was at all-----seems kind of lame and opportunistic for a good jok eh? Does Gos joke about others lives and how they conduct them? I think NOT, but MEN such as you do! Why is that, I wonder. FEAR is what your kind insills in the mnd and bodies of those who are different. Look or read how toe Lerers were treated before they knew it was a desiease! Look how other deseases and the peole who had them were treated back then in that thar Bible when they didn't have a clue as to what it was or how it was caused...........the exact same way the Homosexuals are treated in this day and age.......with hatered. What was the urfe for you to do when you were going through your teens and how did you suppress it.......and how are the homosexuals supposed to suprress theirs when no one takes the time tu understand the things they go through. The body is mixed up and yes the body is made by GOD and GOD made EVERYTHING GOOD-------including their behavior for HE knows them MORE then they KNOW Themselves...........How can you sit n jusgement if God already knows what they are and what they are going to do.....you can't......no one can........ony the maker can do that....
Brother CURDman and SISTER Lady G. Both of you have not refered to the bible and shown scriptures of how mighty our God is in His JUDGMENT in all men works. Rather our works our good or bad, there are consiqunces.
By the way LADY G. My cousin is Homosexual and i have enough love for him to rebuke, correct, and to GIVE instruction in righteousness. If YOU don't read the word of God Sombody have to minister the TRUTH.
Im Just a messenger. If you have a problem with the contents of youe package blame the sender. But now, who will blame GOD for correcting his people in righteousness.
P.S. I STILL say read your bibles & GET UNDERSTANDING. Time out for back and forth opinions.
Grace & Peace to you dear brother CURD and SISter Lady G.
Dear Lady G. & Curdman...WHY the people of Sodom and Gomorrha that gave themselves over to fornication and strange flesh are set forth for as an example for us today?
Why did God rain down fire & Brimstone on Sodom & Gomarah and the cities around them?
Check Jude 1:5,7 and see who will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire?
We that REALLY love our brothers and sisters pray that some my repent from their wicked ways and return to the Lord.
LET"S STICK TO THE TRUTH PEOPLE.
What truth are you talking about. Back then they had no idea what a volcano was or wasn't and the damage it could do to people. We now know what causes and the period of time it is to what a Volcano might erupt and it has nothing to do with wheather a person is gay or not. We also know about storms and other Earthly Happenings and they have nothing to do with what sexualness of anybody. Those scriptures are just ONE person's out of many Thousnd's words and thoughts and account. When you stop to look back and there is Volcanic Ash falling all over the place--just what do you think that is going to do to a person whom is standing still and how do you think this ONE person's account is what Everybody saw and understood. What if there were never any whole village of peoples there, but this one person exagerated the story to make it sensationalized so that he would be believed. Don't go telling me that people don't do this--all you have to do it look at the News! Tell me that you believe everythng in those rag magazines like The Inquirer and such! You have no right to tell other people how to live. Judge not least ye be judged--or how about....get the log out of you eye vefore you take the splinter out of someone elses eye. The law is written in the hearts and minds of men--we already know the law. Oh and Jesus said that. Do yu know anything about the Law of Attraction? Do you? Go seek and you shall find or ask and it shall be given to you.. Do ypu know that Jesus said that everything has happened before and it will happen again and he also said that the Old testament is no longer valid, but the New testament is and that the only rule is the Golden Rule? Do you know what the Golden Rule is? I don't think you do because if you had you wouldn't be playing judge, jury and God.
My Dear Brother Nate....
I truly thank God for your article, and for *you* taking a stand on the Word of God. Certainly we know that we are in the last of the last days, and peoples minds are so corrupted with sin, that they are calling right ....wrong...and wrong right. The Bible is very plain..and very clear on how GOD feels about homosexuality. It is an abomination to Him, and it is something that He despises. Any *serious student* of the Word of God can see and understand that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrha because of homosexuality (sodomy). It is only those individuals who practice this type of behavior, or who just plain don't understand the mind of God, His nature, or His characteristics, who will condone this foolishness. God is a *Holy* God, and He requires Holiness from His Children.
I look at the comments posted to this topic and it never ceases to amaze me how people want to stray away from the Word of God to justify their own behavior, or the behavior of those that they know are like this. Let's just cast the lie down right now from the devil that would try to make men believe that people are *born* that way. That is a straight up LIE....and we know who the Father of lies is...THE DEVIL! (John 8:44) In the beginning God made them male and female. Let's look at it:
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. (Genesis 1:27)
We were created in the image of our Heavenly Father...and our Heavenly Father IS NOT GAY! Let's get that straight right now! But there are other forces in the earth who do influence our behavior...and that SPIRIT comes from the devil. It may have been acquired at a very young age....but nobody is BORN gay. Unfortunately when we make statements like this, those that do not have an accurate knowledge of God want to view us as JUDGING. Of course we are simply speaking what thus saith the LORD, as it is written in His Holy Word....Now let's look and see what the Bible says about the Word of God....
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
So Brother Nate what you have stated in your article from the book of Romans are not Pauls words....ALL scripture have been inspired BY GOD....From Genesis to Revelation....You have shown from the Old Testament as well as from the New Testament how God feels about the matter. YES God is a God of Love....but He also is a God of hate...and there are some things that make God sick and homosexuality is one of them. So for all who stop by and read this article...I simply say to you...Don't get mad at the messenger....Your controversary is with the Most High God...and trust me....you dare not jump in His Face with your attitude of condoning homosexuality. The same way that God dealt with Sodom and Gomarrah, He *is* going to deal with it in *this generation*....and has already begun the process in California.
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly (2 Peter 2:6)
Oh yes my friends, what happened in Sodom and Gomorrha was just an example for this end time generation.....What happened then....the judgement upon that wicked place, is indeed happening now in California. May all who read this article TAKE HEED, and gain WISDOM....and with all of your getting....get UNDERSTANDING! Jesus is soon to come and for those that want to change the TRUTH of God into a LIE, God Himself shall give them up to vile affections, and they shall receive their just reward!
keep blowing the trumpet my friend, and sounding the alarm.....May someone be delivered and set free from the TRUTH that is found in the Word of God!
Could someone please tell me why God suppposedly harbors such hatreds towards gays, bisexuals, and lesbians? Does any passage in the bible explain the reason or reasons behind such contempt? If God was so opposed to these people, why would he have created them in the first place? And do you actually think that gay people are thinking something along the lines of "let's see, how can I really infuriate God today, I think I'll decide to be sexually deviant aka gay." I'm sure you've heard this before, but being attracted to the same sex is not a choice. Did you just wake up one morning and choose to be straight? Why should you make people feel guilty and terrible for something that is beyond their control. Life is too short for self-hatred. And hypothetically if God truly did hate gays, would even that be moral? Could you please explain why something that is beyond the control of men and women is immoral? I think people should be courageous enough to make their own judgments of what is moral whether or not they are religiouis.
Also, this is a bit off the topic but sort of relates to my point about humans blindly heeding what they consider to be the words of God. Numerous whites justified the slave trade, viewing it as the white man's burden. They believed that God gave them the right to enslave and mistreat an enormous number of people. I think that this was absolutley terrible, but bring it up to support what I am saying. How many people believe that the slave trade was divinely justified these days? Humans sometimes use God to mask their own personal feelings.
I know there's no use arguing with some of you, but hopefully you'll at least try to consider some of my points. I greatly appreciate you're taking the time to read this.
Could someone please tell me why God suppposedly harbors such hatreds towards gays, bisexuals, and lesbians? Does any passage in the bible explain the reasons or reasons behindsuch contempt? If God was so opposed to these people, why would he created them in the first place? And do you actually think that gay people are thinking something along the lines of "let's see, how can I really infuriate God today, I think I'll decide to be sexually deviant aka gay." I'm sure you've heard this before, but being attracted to the same sex is not a choice. Did you just wake up one morning and choose to be straight? Why should you make people feel guilty and terrible for something that is beyond their control. Life is too short for self-hatred. And hypothetically if God truly did hate gays, would even that be moral? Could you please explain why something that is beyond the control of men and women is immoral? I think people should be courageous enough to make their own judgments of what is moral whether or not they are religiouis.
Also, this is a bit off the topic but sort of relates to my point about humans blindly heeding what they consider to be the words of God. Numerous whites justified the slave trade, viewing it as the white man's burden. They believed that God gave them the right to enslave and mistreat an enormous number of people. I think that this was absolutley terrible, but bring it up to support what I am saying. How many people believe that the slave trade was divinely justified these days? Humans sometimes use God to mask their own personal feelings.
Sister Lady G. How did we get off the subject matter all the way to volcanos. You just DO NOT want to refer to the bible. I have a few words to say. Do your history and date back when Josesph way ruler over Egypt. THEN read these scriptures to your edifications.
Joseph taught Egypt's senators wisdom--Psalm 105: 17-22
ALSO GO BACK AND SEE WHEN THE GENERATION OF DANIEL THE PROPHET WAS. Daniel had to know about volcanos because the bible said Daniel and the children of Israel understood science and they taught the gentiles.
It says they were skillfull in ALL wisdom.
Daniel 1:4Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
I ask You this question LADY G. do VOLCANOS fall under the catorgory of SCIENCE? Hmmm!
I pray that you submitt yourself to the word of God, in Jesus Name
OMG!! Pray for me!! You can pray all your want but if it is not in God's nor mine's intention it will be fruitless. I read the bible--who wrote the book of Daniel? What was his reltion to anyone else of that book? How abut Jesophus--he was a bystander of sorts and he wrot about the thing and comings and going of those who were in the Bible r in Jeus's days. I know the scri[tures that I talk about-----lets see YOU find them? Oh and please don't take them out of context--you really do a diservice to the whole chapter and what was really being said and talked about--but the account of one person.
Who were the Chaldeans???? Were they God's people? Where they one of the Tribes of man? Off topic? I think not, you just go round in circles about Dodom and Gamorra. By one man's account ONLY is said that the town was ALL dodomistic. Do you realize that some of the things that were said to have happened in the Bible were false? Does that make all the Bible False or just those parts. What about taking all the books and allowing all the people to make their own choces as to what the scriptures say. Those books were taken out when it was a fact that is is said that nothing should be removed fromt he Bible--MEN are the ones who get in God's way. God speaks to everyone not to just some. And Rickster is correct! Do you really think that gays just get up and decide I am going to be against God today?
Mepps,
You need to do alot more research on the subject matter. You are just being ignorant on Gays.........oh and does anyone here think that Gays do sex or think about it all the time------do you? How often does one think about sex and doing it? I can bet you it isn't as often as you think it is.
Mipps:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Homosexual-by-Birth
I also think that since God is Wiser and has alot more wisdom then us would he do this to somehow control the overpopulation of humans on this planet?
Rickster God is not opposed to people. He loves all of His children. He hates SIN. The bible says this:
For God so LOVED the world, that He gave His only begotton Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)
So you see the controversary is not with *people*, but with the act of homosexuality. That is an abomination to God. God did not create homosexuals, lesbians, gays, etc. Again, I quote this passage of scripture:
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. (Genesis 1:27)
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:28)
Rickster in order to be fruitful, and multiply and replenish the earth....there had to be a male and a female in order to reproduce a seed of its kind. Two men or two women can not *naturally* bear children. This is not rocket science. You don't even have to be a spiritual minded person to comprehend this. The parts don't fit between same sexes. That is why women have to go and buy gadgets to have sexual pleasure, and homosexual men have to go against the *natural* use of their body parts to find pleasure. So let's be clear on this issue....God DID NOT CREATE homosexuals. It is their choice to be this way....
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (James 1:14-15)
My friend God is Sovereign...He don't have to explain Himself to nobody....He is the Creator....we are simply the creatures that He has created.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lust of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a LIE, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. (Romans 1:24-25)
Let's get back to worshipping the Creator....The True and the Living God. God's Words are Spirit and they are Life!
Nathanael...
If your close-minded bigotry, rampant homophobia and stunning hypocrisy is a strong indication of the quality of people I will meet in heaven...I would prefer the company of those in hell.
spryte
Lady G...I speak the Word of God...So if you have issues...it is not with *me* and what I have said...Your issue is with GOD...And my sister...Your arms are too short to box with GOD! I pray that the eyes of your understanding will be enlightened. I leave *you* with this final comment from the Word of God...
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:11-12)
Selah....Pause and calmly think on these things!
Mepps- I apologize if this seems too long but I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd read my response. Speaking as a bisexual male, I can honestly assure you that I did not choose to be attracted to other guys. Seeing as that you are straight, how would you possibly know whether or not being gay is a choice? I remember having homoerotic dreams when I was about eight years old. Do you honestly think I chose to think that way at such an early stage of my life?
Not that I wish to be straight, but I will say that I am very aware of how much easier my life would be if I was not attracted to men. Also, how do you know for a fact that God did not "create" gay people? I fail to understand why they would exist if God was so repulsed. I understand that you could argue God technically created murders or other people prone to sin but I still fail to see what the point would be for God to enable something like homosexuality he abhors so much. For sin, at least you could argue that there must be bad so people can realize what is good. And don't think for a minute that homosexuality is necessary to understand how important straightness is because that is completely illogical. If the entire world was straight, there'd be more than enough babies to go around.
I also am not at all ashamed of engaging in sexual acts with other men. Just because there's no "lock and fit" doesn't mean that it’s wrong or even unnatural. And don't you dare patronize me. Of course I know its not rocket science that sex between a male and a female is biologically natural. I'm not an idiot. That's doesn't mean that gay sex is unnatual for all people and against the say of God. Are man-made objects like cars unnatural and wrong because God did not create them? For people who experience homoerotic feelings, its feels completely natural.
Just because God created male and female parts to fit, doesn't mean that he didn't also create gay men and women. Just because it isn't the norm doesn't mean it contradicts God's will.
As a bisexual male, I do plan on marrying a female as I do wish to procure children. Many gay couples, however, choose to adopt. I'm certain that there are many needy children who would love to have two caring parents.
In a video about the effects of gay parents on children and adolescents, it was tough to hear that gay partners who seemed to share the same ideals as many straight couples were blatantly denied the right to marry. Some children of gay mothers were even choked by peers at their school. The children also seemed to have turned out quite well and the vast majority of them were straight.
I do agree with you that there is a difference between homoerotic feelings and gay acts. But do you really think its fair that gay people shouldn't have the right to act out on the feelings they can not help but experience? Why should only straight people be granted the right to act out their urges and express their love?
Also, even if a gay male decided not to act on his urges and marry a female (which is apparently ok with you) and have children just consider the potential negative ramifications. Chances are, he wouldn’t be so attracted to her physically (even if he tried out sexual reparative therapy) and therefore might cheat on her, contribute to a strained marriage, end up hurting the children, and cause all other sorts of heartbreak. These possible consequences are simply a harsh reality, whether you, me, God, or anyone else likes it or not.
And doesn't God value loving, open, and stable families? This is also not a mere assumption. There have been numerous accounts (on tv and in books) about failed and unstable marriages between a male and women when one of the partners was gay.
I understand that you heed the words of God and I wholeheartedly support you’re devotion to his ideals. However, in my opinion, you should consider the feelings of gay humans who are also quite valuable. I also do not think you have the right to judge gay people and make assumptions that God did not create gay people, especially considering that you are straight. And what do you think gives you the right or anyone else to act as God's messenger? You are making a choice to acknowledge what you personally believe in so please take some responsability. There are plenty of Christians and religious people who do not choose to interpret the bible in this light.
I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh- I don't mean to be. I'm simply expressing another side to this argument. Thank you for expressing your honest opinions, even if we can not see eye to eye on this matter.
Blah blah blah... Once again, this is a great example of the continuing trend on HubPages that is HATE SPEECH. At the end of it all, taking any platform in which one mortal claims to speak for or possess the capacity to interpret Divine will is just ridiculous. We are finite beings. God is INFINITE. How can the finite begin to even attempt to understand the infinite? We can not; we haven't the capacity. In as much, it is not our place to preach as if upon high about what is or what is not 'moral' or 'sinful'. That is not our job, nor is it in our nature or our Maker's construction of our kind.
So, Nathanael, if form follows function, then you too are incorrect and simply haven't the tools or AUTHORIZATION (lol), to speak for what is or what is NOT God's intention about anything.
So, please don't do that again; It's rude and presumptious. Leave the creationism, judgement and intelligent design to God.
You, nor is any mortal, in a position to interpret God's beliefs, feelings or wishes.
Curdman- Your words are just as offensive as Nathanael's, so please be conscious of that.
Rickster- You can't convert him so don't try. Also, don't apologize; it's a sign of weakness.
Spryte- Brave words, yours are. I hope you chose them well... lol.
Mepps- I understand your point but, for a person like this, you are too preachy. He (I assume Nathanael is a 'he') has his own perception of his own God and your scripture prowess will fall upon dead ears... Regardless of how poignant or skilled your points are.
Lady G.- I suspect you are a realist.
Nathanel, I fully agree with you for you were merely quoting the Bible and the words are actually God's words. See 2 Tim. 3:16 which states: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."
John 5:39. "Search the scripture; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they which testify of me" (Jesus).
Mepps, You are a great defender of the faith.
rickster, I believe you are a gentle person and reasonable and not given to temper. You posed the question to Mepps: "Do not make assumptions that God did not create gay people." Can you quote one verse in the whole Bible which says that God created "gay people."
I recently wrote a hub on "Sodom Revived: Gay Pride Parade." HUB: hubpages.com/hub/sodomrevivedgayprideparade.
Please visit the site if you have not read it before. I quoted many homosexuals wanted to be out of it. The article also gives information to whom to apply for help. The founder of the organization (Cross Ministry) was an ex-homo and is a minister of the Southern Baptist church.
Christians should abhor the act but not the person.
Hub Pages took out the section, "Submit a Comment Section." It is their prerogatvie. I have no recourse.
hubpages.com/hub/prophecy-isaiah is about the prophecy of Isaiah 4:1 which foretells about "Seven Women and One Man." The seven women are all churches who called themselves churches in name only but do not follow the doctrines of Jesus Christ.
Read also hub on the prophecy of the Church of Ephesus described in Revelation 2:1-7.
Every one is entitled to free speech. No one can dictate to another human being. I am thankful to HUB PAGES to grant me this forum.
Sad and pathetic. Why would anyone want any part of a god and religion such as yours? So hateful and insidious. I imagine you as an angry and loney man.
It would be more honest of you to just worship the devil. At least then your demeanor would reflect the bile you spew.
Rickster I truly do thank you from sharing from your heart, and please know that I really do understand where you are coming from. Believe it or not, I have many friends who are gay (smile)...Years ago, God allowed me to be real close friends with a completely gay man (for six years), and we spent a lot of time together having fun...going to movies...out to dinner...plays....etc. etc. He even had a brother, who I was there when he died of aides in his living room. I was there to comfort the family. Even to this day, I still have gay friends (male and female)...so please for the record, let it be known...I have nothing against gay people...I know a lot of them, and also have them in my family...I simply speak again...what thus says THE LORD concerning the subject matter.
My feelings nor anyone else's do not mount to a hill of beans...GOD is the Supreme Authorithy on all things....If those that are gay, BELIEVE that the BIBLE is the WORD OF GOD....this discussion would be closed right now. Again Rickster...I do not judge anyone on this issue...I merely speak forth the oracles of God. God did not CREATE people to be gay....They are merely influenced...consumed by a spirit from the devil to be that way....and they need to be delivered from it...Only GOD can deliver you from that homosexual spirit. Again, unfortuately it enters into some people at an early age, which makes them believe that they were born that way...But the devil is a LIER and the father of all lies. GODS WORDS are FAITHFUL and TRUE. So Rickster please know...I don't hold anything against you, or anyone else that is gay...like I said earlier...I know, and am friends with people who are gay. My desire is to see those bound by this spirit to be set free by the Power of God......and because I believe the bible is the WORD OF GOD...I know that when I speak *His Words* they will not fall on deaf ears....Because *His* Word cannot return back void until it accomplish what it was sent out to do....For all those that hear *His Words*, or read *His Words*, will be held accountable to them in the day of judgement. You can accept the good news of the gospel now...or you *will* do so later...the choice is yours....
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)
So again, to all you gay readers...I ain't mad at ya...I have many friends who are gay, and I love them just as I love anybody else....but I speak forth what thus saith the Lord, and let it be known that GOD is against this type of lifestyle.
My view of people who hold opinions like this is that they must be homosexual themselves, or else why would they care?
Brothers and sisters God just don't hate. He despise the wickedness of men. If you or a willful sinner, you are an enemy of God. And for you rickster, it is the trying of you faith that works you patience. You had dreams then, but you don't desire to be with a man now, Well, that's GREAT.
Keep beleiving what's right is a nutural affection toward the opposite sex and not a vile affection toward the same sex.
How can you finish this homophobic rant by talking about GRACE and PEACE? Jesus Christ preached forgiveness and warned us not to judge one another. Make sure there isn't a plank in your own eye before looking for specks in others (Jesus's parable).
You know why we care CJStone...it's because we are servants of the Most High God, And we have the Mindset of Christ. We are santified by his word CJ. Therefore, we walk not after the counsel of the ungodly, nor stand in the way of sinners nor seat in the seat of the scornful.
The reason way we care is because, the Lord desire that All men repent, so we should encourage those in the Law of God. We all should delight in the law of the Lord. If you delight ourselves and meditate day and night, I bet a lot of us will not go astray.
Nathanael - why not just relax in the knowledge that you and your coterie of like-minded souls will have your heavenly reward when the time comes, and leave the rest of us miserable sinners to wallow to our hearts' content? You wouldn't want our company for eternity anyway, lost souls that we are, and we sure as hell won't be seeking out yours :)
To Rik Ravado...we have all fall short of the glory of God, we are not judging, we are not holier than thou. We are presenting the word of God. This is the righteousness of God to spread his word. We have no righteousness within ourselves. We are filthy rags on our best days. we just have works but it is our faith in Jesus Christ that justifies us. We live off Jesus Righteousness.
To answer your question...we all have motes in our eyes. Being that is the case and every servant finds themselves UNworthy to handle the word of God, then where is there faith to WORK out there own salvaton. Hmmm!
The Choice you just made SPRYTE...is your own. So be it. By the way Which HEAVEN are you talking about, because there are three heavens.
PARGLIDER...You are absolutely right. Good Advice for me. I wouldn't want to STAY VEXed because of non-belivers.
For the record, I have nothing agaist gay people, actually i pray they get themselves together with Jesus. But all over the bible ungoldly acts is an abomination to God. NOW, how can you get around that.
I still say Grace & Peace to All who have posted there comments.
Exactly CJ!: "I hate you, because you're gay... and I want you, because you're beautiful... but it's a sin, an abomination! Sinner! I want to kiss you... die gay person!"
Einron, the Bible was written by MEN, not God.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The will of the flesh is to sin. That is the will of everyone's flesh. Mine, yours, Nathanael's, etc. . . To overcome the will of the flesh to sin, one must receive Christ. You can call this hub hatespeech or you can read it for what it really is. If you have a problem with the Word of God, take it up with him and not the messenger. God isn't unreasonable. In fact, I dare you to speak with him on this matter.
Paraglider it is because of the LOVE that we have for Gods Children that we reach out on this forum and spread the LIGHT of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST. He desires that none be lost, and believe me burning for eternity in the LAKE OF FIRE will not leave you with a *contented heart*.....FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
Hey Rik it's wonderful to see that you are familar with some of the words of JESUS....Check out the message that came from His sent forth one...
Do you not know that the saints will *judge* the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? (1 Corinthians 6:2-3)
Selah...Pause and calmly think on these things.
Constant Walker just so that you know....
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
The bible may have been *written* by men but IT IS inspired by GOD. Take up your issues with Him...if you think you can ;o)
If loving reading all of these comments is wrong, I don't want to be right!
OMG, I love it all and why you ask? Because I am a Gaytriarch - that's right, a forty-something, gay, Jewish man who was bar mitzvah and has been with the same six foot black man who was an altar boy for the past twenty years in a completely monogamous relationship. That's right, we are THE poster children for hate crimes (like the hate being spewed here)
Look, everyone has the right to their opinion because last time I checked we were Americans with the freedom of speech and whether some of you believe it or not, Jesus didn't give us that right - our American forefathers did.
Those of you who spend so much time telling me I'm going to hell well guess what? I'm fine with it. Don't you worry your poor little heads one more second about my fate or trying to "save" me because frankly it's annoying as hell. I always tell everyone I intend to get to hell first and decorate in my colors so that my friends have to live with it for all eternity. But my biggest fear is that I'll get there and people like Nathanael and the rest of the haters will be there. Ugh. So maybe it's better that those of you who supposedly live your life quoting the bible and "spreading the word" continue to do so for yourselves because frankly, I'd rather listen to it here than to spend all eternity listening to you morons.
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Nathanael, and Mepps -
re "But all over the bible ungoldly acts is an abomination to God. NOW, how can you get around that".
I don't need to get around it. The bible is a book. there are many books. You believe it is the word of God. I don't. But you push it in my face as "fact". Don't you think that is just a little presumptuous?
somelikeitscott... I know I do! lol
Great response man. And to all the people getting offended I would like to say I personally am fine with homosexuality. I think it is part of the universal makeup. Anyone who takes offense reading these crazy religious articles should know ahead of time that they will be insulting and that many people will disagree.
It's all part of the hectic rollercoaster we call free speech.
SODOMITES » A proverbial term of reproach applied to those who practiced sodomy (ritual homosexuality) (Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kings 14:24;15:12;22:46; 2 Kings 23:7; Job)
I applies to those who only do it RITUAL as in like a ceremony to a higer being--just like you all do within your church.--people read what is written in all translations for each one will have a different one. That means the Bible cannot be the word of God anymore then can the book of poetry because there has been so many changes with each translation. Now go to the Original book--and I bet you can't find it because it probably doesn't exist anymore. --or it is is that Vatican which is locked up tighter than a drum!
Mepps said to moi: Lady G...I speak the Word of God...So if you have issues...it is not with *me* and what I have said...Your issue is with GOD...And my sister...Your arms are too short to box with GOD! I pray that the eyes of your understanding will be enlightened. I leave *you* with this final comment from the Word of God...
I say, Boy are those the words that you God would want to hear? I think not--that is pure hatred. I don't have anything against God. You can forget that one right now missie!
God love everyone---EVERYONE. What is SIN? Why have so many books been banned from that Bible--have you read them or are you afraid too find out what they tell? Just how many translations have there been since the time the first book was written--oh and don't forget how long after Jesus died that they were written--some 60 years! Now would you remember it quite the same after 60 years of life and experiences---I don't think so. God is LOVE and we are asked to show LOVE for EVERYTHING and EVERY HUMAN BEING
Go on--insults the rest of us--you are only doing the most High Sin--False Witness and OMG--not loving your neighbor as yourself.
Paraglider...We're not pushing it in your face. You are here on this page of your own accord to read it. If you're not interested in the message, then stop checking in to see what THE BIBLE has to say about this subject. Yes ALL unrighteousness is SIN, but the subject at hand is *God's Judgement Against Homosexuality*..and that is what we are dealing with.
Somelikeit... Our American forefathers didn't wake *me* up this morning...My GOD did. All PRAISES go to HIM. Thank you!
And as far as hell, you're in hell right now, which is nothing compared to the Lake of Fire, and if that is where you desire to go....Enjoy your trip...Your blood will not be on my hands. But you might as well get used to listening to the Word of God because when JESUS returns and sets up HIS KINGDOM here on EARTH, you will be listening to it for at least 1,000 years..LOL...LOL
thegecko.....I think you all are enjoying the BIBLE lessons here...Yall keep coming back ;o). That's always a good thing....There is HOPE yet!
mepps - you are delusional lol
mepps - you mean there's a God alarm clock and I don't have one? Where did you get it Ebay or just some rummage sale down the block? I'm not in hell but I'm as close as can be...I live in Las Vegas! You know, "Sin City" - we're experts here. Look, go ahead and have your God, let him wake you up but whatever you do please don't think that my blood is going to be on your hands because frankly my blood is way too blue for you and your deluded ideas of where we're all going...what are you, the GPS for the universe?
Lady G....Let's go back to basics.....FORGET all the modern translations...that is a great part of the problem in the world today....Too many bible translations that were not inspired by GOD...but by MAN....Go back to Genesis and read the account again about what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah...It had nothing to do with a ritualistic ceremony, it was simply a group of men lusting for other men to have sex with them..Plain and simple.
Again...Lady G and all who are concerned....I do not HATE anyone and definately not gay people...I have a lot of friends and acquaintances who are gay. You are simply hearing what you want to hear....hear this, and hear it loud and clear....I LOVE YOU my friend...so let's discard the hate card....stop listening to the powers that be....and listen to what I am saying....I LOVE YOU MY FRIEND.....NOT HATE.
Somelikeitscott....I've been to your home town several times..and quite frankly I have enjoyed myself every time I've been there....but I'm glad to see that you keep coming back to this page...That let's me know that you are LEARNING SOME THINGS....LOL...LOL
Oh yes, I'm coming back to this page my dearest mepps because I love to laugh and this has me LOL or in your case, does that mean, "Lord, Oh, Lord?"
You don't speak for god, and following the bible is pretty foolhardy, considering most of the translations are directly altered to allow the ruling party at the time religous power. Everybody is responisble for their beliefs and religons. If they have no problem being gay, then its their right. If inside their heart and soul they have no problems, nothing telling them its wrong, then who is anybody to tell them otherwise?
Which of the many translation are you preaching from missie? Which one is the right one and the right account. Who wrote Genesis--do you know? Were any of us alive then to know if the account was true or false? You are tripping over your words there lady.
No one addressed my question on who were the Chaldean's--were they better than anyone else and why haven't their word been printed for all to see? Now according to Nathaniel there The law and Science was taught to the High Priests--what about everyone else--was it taught to the guy who wrote the account of Lot and Sodom and Gamorrah--oh were they two different cities or were they one city. We know what a Sodom is--what is a gammora?
I posted biblical verses yet you will not read them--why is that--do you think you are the only ones who knows all the answers? Oh I know--you can only read from the books that your preacher tells you to read from and that book is the only book in which they will allow you to get those answers from. It is a FEAR and CONTROL the masses mechanism--that is all!
Don't go telling me I don't know anything about the Bible. I didn't have a problem with you until you insulted me--oh was that from GOD or was the from YOU.
Take responsibility for your own actions and don't blame God or the Devil or someone else.....FREE WILL--what do you make of that? God gave us FREE WILL because he already knows us and that dear one puts the responsibilty on oneself and their own consequenses----no one else.....not even God.....
Paraglider, those are my sentiments exactly. If heaven is full of people like this guy, leave me to my happy hell in peace. Yikes. What insanity.
I think the more I read these articles the stronger I believe that...
Jesus = most likely a really kind person.
Other people from the Bible = kind of evil.
{{Paraglider...We're not pushing it in your face. You are here on this page of your own accord to read it.}}
I go where I please. When I see someone messing up a place that I like, I might hang around in the hope of persuading them to stop.
{{If you're not interested in the message, then stop checking in to see what THE BIBLE has to say about this subject.}}
I've owned a few bibles for near enough 50 years. I've read them, so please don't patronise me. It's not edifying to see folk hide behind the bible while judging their fellows.
pgrundy - right on !
Well, I probably shouldn't respond at all, because some that have comments here are on my friends list. Although I disagree with how Nathanial said it, and perhaps his reasons for saying it (high ranking article)...The bible does condem Homosexuality. Now, before you get all up in arms, let me say that I have many friends, real friends, who are gay. I love and enjoy each of them. God will deal with sin, and we are all sinners. Hate the sin, love the sinner.
Peace
It never ceases to amaze me that when the word of God is presented, people freak out. they accuse the presenter of all kinds of evil. They accuse God of being mean. The words never deserve that indictment.
We all have free will. That's all. Everyone makes choices. All of us have very tough choices to make as to following God. Believe me, sin is just as real, no - more so, to Christians sincerely trying to rid their lives of their sin. Yes, we all fell short, except Jesus Himslef. Praise God. Homosexuality is but one small part of following God, see Revelation 21:8. You have the free will to sin and blashpheme Him all you want or pursue Him to better yourself. The true love on this forum is from those who simply have pointed out clearly and in love that God forbids homosexuality.
Those who are pointing this out believe that the Bible is completely 100% true, I hope and believe. Let me say that I do know that it is 100% true. The presenters of God's word want to be saved, and they want you to be saved. Why rail against them for that? Can't you see their side of this? They see yours because they are struggling with sin, too. If you disagree, then do as asked, deal with facts and scriptures. Those of you who rebuke this thread and claim God as your savior need to be better versed in the Bible. You made a mockery of God's word here.
Mepps and Nathanael, you have the amazing gift of evangelism. I pray for you both that you are not deterred but strengthened by the other views that you know to be wrong. Keep it up, no, move forward with even more determination. I am very proud to have read the amazing work you both have done here. I cannot improve on it or add to it. God bless you all!
I wish I could find this funny, too. Rather, I think this is way too much attention given to hatred in the name of the God of peace and love. No thanks.
viralprospector Thanks and praise the Lord for your mindset.
Nathanael;
I am relatively new to HubPages, but I have seen a lot of crap that goes on here. People post their views, refuse to print anyone else's view and think that is OK. You have taken a courageous path to leave the posts regardless of the view presented. Others just rail against the opposing viewpoints with foul evil mean words, much has happened to you here. You did not deserve that. You have been very calm, understanding and factual. Congratulations for your endurance of that. It is very difficult to take, I know.
I am watching for your work on this site.
The Hub is running again
Thank you *Veronica* and *Viralprospector* for taking a stand for Truth and Righteousness!
Mepps - they are merely stating their view. Because it comes close to your own in some respects, you embrace it as Truth and Righteousness. That's reassuring :)
It is what it is...TRUTH...and the TRUTH will always stand! Jesus said...
If you *continue* in my *word*, then you are my disciples indeed. And you shall *know* the *truth*, and the *truth* shall make you free.....Now that's reassuring ;o)
I have just been reading up on what the Bible does really say about Homosexuality. What my conclusions are is that the reaon it is such a sin is that it goes against the inherent justified cause of our very own creation--and that is to fill the earth and to re-produce. Homosexuals cannot or will ever be able to produce children. Therefore that would be considered a sin in the most high!
Here is an article that explains it pretty well--read the most important part--the conclusion:
http://helpministriesinternational.org/faq_homosex
Oh and Mepps, Truth is in the original Greek Text. Our Text today has been translated so many times and in so many ways that some of it really falls short of the original TRUTH---Jesus said Seek and you shall Find. He also said to read other things besides what the Clergy and Religious -Pedestal Sitters" tell you what is what. Do some research. Oh and thanks for denying my comment on your hub. You might want to go to my profile to see where I am coming from instead of being on your High Horse--which by the way Jesus abhors!
Nathaniel, since you have not given the information I aksed about who the Chaldeans were I looked it up for you and here it is:
Chaldean (from Akkadian Kaldu, via Greek ???????? Chaldaios) may refer to:
historical Babylonia, in particular in a Hellenistic context Chaldea, "the Chaldees" was a Hellenistic designation for a part of Babylonia. The 11th dynasty of Babylon (6th century BC) is conventionally known as the Chaldean Dynasty. Chaldean mythology is a generalized term used to refer to all the mythologies of ancient Sumer, Akkad, Assyria and Babylonia. The Chaldean Oracles played a role in Hellenistic mystery religions of the first centuries BC and AD. "Chaldean" in Roman and medieval authors refers in particular to the mathematics and astrology of Babylonia, and hence of soothsayers or astrologers in general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldeans
Greetings Sister Lady G. Sorry My computer crashed. Iv'e been out of commission for a whil. But YES. You Right sister. The Chalddees are GENTILES- or white folks. The ISRAELITE taught the GEntiles Knowledge even science. AND furthermore, Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles. The Israelite knew a lot about the old way of life back in those days.
Nathaniel,
sorry about your computer.
I have a question then--and this might b for another hub-----If the Chaldeans were thought highly of by the priests and higher officials, then why in the Bible is thier knowledge denounced as being shall I say "Witchy"? As I read it the Chaldeans were of Babylon and in the Bible they are not looked on as very good people------so why would they take lessons from them. I didn't read that the Isrealites taught them but the other way around.
Brother AN AGAIN the attention is not given to hatred BUT the attention is given to the TRUTH.
The response to this hateful piece is disturbing. With all the gifts you've been given in this fleeting, precious life: Intelligence, self-awareness, the capacity to love, curiosity, recognition of beauty, the ability to create beauty, compassion, your very life itself, and this is how you choose to spend it.
Shame on you...
Lady Guinevere Greetings to you once again , here on this HOT topic! The Scripture says, man shall not lay with man. This is the LAW thats way it is an abonmination to the Lord, NOT because gay cant or dont want to reproduce!
Come on sister be more sinceable than that!
Sister Lady G. You just DO NOT want to refer to the bible. I have a few words to say. Do your history and date back when Josesph way ruler over Egypt. THEN read these scriptures to your edifications.
Joseph taught Egypt's senators wisdom--Psalm 105: 17-22
ALSO GO BACK AND SEE WHEN THE GENERATION OF DANIEL THE PROPHET WAS. Daniel had to know about volcanos because the bible said Daniel and the children of Israel understood science and they taught the gentiles.
It says they were skillfull in ALL wisdom.
Daniel 1:4Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.
I ask You this question LADY G. do VOLCANOS fall under the catorgory of SCIENCE? Hmmm!
I pray that you submitt yourself to the word of God, in Jesus Name
Do you mean to tell me that rather then see a logical explanation to what the Bible says you would rather just spread hate? Come on "BROTHER" open your eyes and your mind and THINK for yourself! There are logical explanations to EVERYTHING in that bible and it doesn't take picking out and using verses OUT OF CONTEXT to see them....
Those were the OLD Testament--what does Jesus say in the New Testamnet. Didn't he also say that what was is no longer and his way is the rght way and the OLD Testament is no long VALID. If you are so adept at finding scriptures then YOU go find them yourself!
You still didn't answer mine about the Chaldean's--how come?! Just becaue the priests were taught about science does not mean that the general public were- in fact they were suppressed of knowledge. That still doesn't answer my question as to why those kinds of acts and science werew compleyely suppressed as it was thought of a witchery and Satan and Evil Doings and we all know what the Bible says about that don't we.
Oh and it appears that you find that the "white Folk" are inferior to whom--the Blacks or was it Isalm----or just who? Jesus was dark as he lived and was born in that part of the world and I accept that, but he did not put the tone of it as you do. No one is greater than another and the law is written in the hearts and minds of men--forever and he didn't say any one particular race, creed, color and he certainly didn't say any one religion because most, if not all were all PAGAN at the time Jesus's Church was developed--that was many years after the death of Jesus. Go read that! Read the History of Constantine and the Chronology. Prejudice has no place in this world--only for those who think they are better than anyone else and Jesus said that we are all the same in him.
1 Corinthians 6
1Dare any one of you, having a matter with the other, go to be judged before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?
2have ye not known that the saints shall judge the world? and if by you the world is judged, are ye unworthy of the smaller judgments?
3have ye not known that we shall judge messengers? why not then the things of life?
4of the things of life, indeed, then, if ye may have judgment, those despised in the assembly -- these cause ye to sit;
5unto your shame I speak: so there is not among you one wise man, not even one, who shall be able to discern in the midst of his brethren!
6but brother with brother doth go to be judged, and this before unbelievers!
7Already, indeed, then, there is altogether a fault among you, that ye have judgments with one another; wherefore do ye not rather suffer injustice? wherefore be ye not rather defrauded?
8but ye -- ye do injustice, and ye defraud, and these -- brethren!
9have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,
10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit.
11And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.
12All things are lawful to me, but all things are not profitable; all things are lawful to me, but I -- I will not be under authority by any;
13the meats [are] for the belly, and the belly for the meats. And God both this and these shall make useless; and the body [is] not for whoredom, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body;
14and God both the Lord did raise, and us will raise up through His power.
15Have ye not known that your bodies are members of Christ? having taken, then, the members of the Christ, shall I make [them] members of an harlot? let it be not!
16have ye not known that he who is joined to the harlot is one body? `for they shall be -- saith He -- the two for one flesh.'
17And he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit;
18flee the whoredom; every sin -- whatever a man may commit -- is without the body, and he who is committing whoredom, against his own body doth sin.
19Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
20for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
Now here are some sites you will all want to read up on--very interesting information given in them.
http://www.libchrist.com/bible/catholiccelibacy.ht
http://www.enotes.com/peoples-chronology/year-anti
http://home.austarnet.com.au/calum/egypt.html
These are just starters. I have plenty more!
May I just say that I am praying that the two of you will see a calm path of righteousness in Him.
There are members on this website who are bent on discrediting those who follow Jesus, and I am also praying that we will all be able to unite as Christians and focus disagreement on them.
Thanks Lady Guinevere, those were the only "words from god" in this hub I was really able to read and somehow I agree with some of them ;)
I don't know which is more pathetic; the first hateful illiterate who cannot think for himself, or the second hateful "Lady" illiterate who agrees with everything he spouts and eggs him on.
BTW: All you holier-than-thous, do you know what, or more appropriately WHO, "Amen" is? He is an ancient Pagan God Of All Things whom you have been acknowledging and giving reverence to every time you pray. Say it again, brothers and sisters! "Ah-men..."
It just doesn't get any better than that...
Amen Constant Walker!
Viral sayL I am praying that the two of you will see a calm path of righteousness in Him.
Lady G says: Jesus taught only one law and he said that it was the only law: Do Unto Others as You Would Have Them Do To You.
Now it just so happens that Nathaniel is preaching un-truths and then Viral is telling us that he'she is praying for us to get along. Just tell us how we are to get along when untruths and Half truths are being spead.
Just what is your idea of Righteousness? Spreading Hate?
I do believe Moses re-wrote the laws in HIS terms becausue he was so mad that they threw him out of his town that he made everything to go against those and it just so happens that he showed anger not to just those who threw him out but the whole nation. Did we all forget that he was brought up Egyptian. Do we remember the story of Moses? Anyone know why he was excommunicated? It was becasue he killed a man--a slave owner that wasn't treating his slave the way Moses thouhgt he should. Killing is Killing and Murder is still murder.
Yes, Walker, It is that and more. They need to have their minds unlocked from religious suppression. The ONLY sin is Supression of Knowledge and Truth. Not to go off topic here, but why does anyone supposed the Gnostic Texts are so bad according to the religions of today and why do you all think someone burned the books and KNOWLEDGE in the Library of Alexandris (sp)? All to Supress knowledege and the truth.
I gave Nathaniel verses, like he wished me to do, and someone seems to be disatisfied with them.
Ha! CW, when I saw you had posted a comment here, I had to come check it out. And...I'm on your side. If I've said it once & I've said it a thousand times: who are WE to judge? We aren't the ones who condemn, God is, and I'm not about to decide what he will condemn a person for! Heck, I do MESSED UP STUFF all the time, stuff I'm sure people would be appalled at, but I don't want anyone but God to judge me. So...stop hating! He who does not sin, cast the first stone! Try working on your own stuff and stop telling everyone else what THEY'RE messing up at, 'Cause trust me, we ALL commit sins, so don't go around pointing out what others are doing "wrong."
Boss Number 1 - have a gold star! You're right on the nail. People of little imagination find it easier to hate than to love. It was always like this.
Thank you all very much. I'm going to try NOT to come back to this site. The last thing I want to do is give this sort of zealous garbage any more support or validation. You know?
Grace & Peace Mr. Constant Walker. May the Lord Increase your understanding about HIS word and NOT ur own.
Nathaniel
Can you prove that the Bible that you read is the whole entire truth and not any of MAN'S own? I thought that you would turn your face against the historical true data--just expected from those who care not to know the truth at all, but to spread hate--tell you what! Jeus didn't want to do that and we can't know the thoughts of God--that is in the Bible and I didn't take the one verse or verses OUT OF CONTEXT:
1 Corinthians 21When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.[a] 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, 5so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.
Wisdom From the Spirit6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"[b]— 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16"For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?"[d] But we have the mind of Christ.
Lady G;
Your post is very alarming to me. I guess that is your style of dealing with a peace maker.
Your "only one law" is among the blatant misrepresentations of the Bible. For your "only one law" tale is literally followed immediately by the very topic of sin being intolerable to Jesus (as is the entire topic of this thread). It states that eternal separation from Him results from not following many laws that people love to sin with. It is not "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" AT ALL.
Here it is: Galatians 5:
"For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity to indulge your flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law can be summed up (my underline) in a single commandment, namely, You must love your neighbor as yourself.
However, if you continually bite and devour one another, beware that you are not consumed by one another. But I say, live by the Spirit and you will not (my underline) carry out the desires of the flesh. For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in opposition to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, depravity, idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish rivalries, dissensions, factions, envying, murder, drunkenness, carousing, and similar things. I am warning you, as I had warned you before: Those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God!"
The point of the whole Bible and this passage is that if (and only if) you are follower of Jesus in action - not just in words or thoughts - then you will not commit these sins, including homosexuality. True, we are to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. However, If you do commit these sins, you will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That is detailed clearly in I Corinthians 6:9; "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, practicing homosexuals, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I am disappointed when people fail to be able to rectify ALL the passages of the Bible. With my interpretation of the Galatians passage, it is totally sensible. With your misinterpretation, the Bible is made into nonsensical rubbish. If you want rubbish, then that is your fate, not mine. So do as you wish. Summed up means 'recapped in summary', not 'held in totality'.
Matthew 5:17-19 says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter will pass from the law until everything takes place. So anyone who breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever obeys them and teaches others to do so will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Another passage that shows that there are eternal consequences of things that people do want done unto them. It is Revelation 21:8, "But to the cowards, unbelievers, detestable persons, murderers, the sexually immoral, and those who practice magic spells, idol worshipers, and all those who lie, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. That is the second death.”
There are hundreds of laws in the Old Testament (and the New Testament). How does "least in the kingdom of heaven" sound to you?
Nathanael, it is good that you know God and his Word. It is wonderful to see you stay true to it in this thread.
<><>I don't wish to belabor my point, but there are two other things I wish to bring up. Apparently, I am going to hell for being attracted to other men and/or acting out on those urges. I also do not happen to be Christian nor was I raised to worship Jesus Christ, attend church, etc. So a religious Chistian may think that I'd be going to hell anyway. Am I right? If not, then I wouldn't think these rules would apply me.
<>The spirit from a devil is the reason I am experiencing these urges??? Hypothetically speaking, even if that were true, I still do not see how homosexuality/bisexuality would be a choice. Do you mean that a devil in the literal sense- a malevolent being that has actually warped my mind, or do you mean that in a more figurative sense- i have succumbed to an evil force of nature? This first certainly doesn't seem like a choice, and the second one sounds rather iffy to say the least.
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Rickster;
This is hardly a simple, cut and dried matter. I am not worthy, I know that. First and most important, your salvation is determined by Jesus Christ alone. You can only get answers about whether you are saved from Him. His word is the Bible. I hope you really want your questions answered. Only the word of the Bible has answers specifically for you.
I would rather not interpret the words I posted from the Bible, but the scriptures on this thread pretty well answer your questions, I think. I would be thrilled if you got a Bible and read it. You can also read the word at http://bible.org. if you do not have a good translation of the Bible. You can search there and read from many theologians far more knowledgeable than me. that website is great for all wanting to know about the Bible.
These things I know. Jesus wants to save every person. He loves you just as much as He loves me or anyone else. I believe that the Christians on this forum are all praying for you, and we all love you. That is not a bunch of BS either. We believe in our faith, and we take it as seriously as anything you can imagine. We are not judging you or putting you down. Rickster, I am a sinner, too. No one faults you or thinks less of you. We all know how hard it is to resist sin. We are just trying to do our best to follow what we believe fully is the right way. You are bold and courageous to state your situation to us all, and I admire that immensely. You notice that every one of the rest of us sinners do not have that much courage. That is an attribute that God rewards.
You may have all the Godly attributes that we admire. Maybe you want nothing to do with us, but we do not feel that way about you or any of the others who have insulted and belittled us. That is not how we think.
I am really not good at knowing how far to go to help, and I realize you probably do not want my help. It is there if you ever want, but I am not saying I am worthy of that honor.
Temptation is real, and sin is real. Only Jesus was above sin of all men. So, we all struggle, and some of us struggle more than others. All I know is that God promised that He has given us what we need to overcome sin.
You refuse to answer my questions. Before I even posted the question I was almost certain that was the response I would get. If you're going to tell me that homosexuality/bisexualtiy is a choice and that an evil spirit may be the cause of it, you can at least explain to me why a spirit possessing me is a choice as opposed to just accepting everything as divine truth beyond man's comprehension. After all, some of you have managed to comprehend that an evil spirit has brought this upon me. How convenient of people like yourself to post cut and dry notions that explain why homosexuality exists yet be unable to answer any questions having to do with them. Chances are if there was some divine/moral reasoning behind your notions, you'd be able to answer my questions without any problems. The reason you can not answer my inquiries is because there are no divine answers or explanations.
The explanation for homosexuality concerning the spirit of a devil that Mepps posed- seems like a rather loose interpretation of the bible rather than one of the countless verses that any half-witted oaf could spew out verbatim (Although based on your writings- you all seem intelligent.) The devil spirit explanation certainly seems farfetched- excuse me if I refuse to believe that an invisible force of nature has infaltrated my flesh and corrupted my mind for no apparent reason. Lucky me! ;)
You also didn't answer my question whether or not I am going to hell for not being Christian. Should every non-Christian find the bible to be salvaged? That seems to be the implied answer for practically everything. Well by your apparent logic the majority of the world is going to hell. I also do not believe the bible relays that non-Christians are going to hell. Any of you who are so familar with the bible could certianly answer that for me.
I appreciate all of you wishing the best for me. I do believe that your intentions are genuine, even though in actuality you're spreading a message of hate, not love nor good-deed. Even though I wholeheartedly stand by my words, I do not mean to sound audacious, or bold in a sense that comes off as impudent as I am in no way trying to denounce Christinanity in general.
All in all, I'm not buying your inability to answer my questions which relate to the specific responses you've posed. Saying that this is no cut and dry manner and Jesus Christ is my all and all answer and path to salvation just isn't going to cut it with me. If Jesus Christ and God abhor homosexuality, I want an explanaation concerning why they detest it and how it is a choice.
And to Basso- yes I understand I am unable to change their views- I, do, however, believe if they are posting their views they should be able to read mine as well. And apalogizing for coming off as brash is not a sign of weakness. If I was bought into their position, I wouldn't have posted my stance in the first place.
I have been reading the comments here for quite some time. What I keep hearing is I was born that way and so forth. All are born into sin. By nature all men are sinners. Homosexuals are not bigger sinners than someone who lies, or steals etc. . .
On the other side I see people trying to show everyone how to get out of the "BONDAGE" of sin. You see, when we are born into sin, we are bound by it. God made "A WAY" for man to get out of the bondage of sin. That's how simple it all really is.
God explained it all with His Word, not man's word. There was only one sacrifice good enough to redeem all men and women back to God. That sacrifice was Jesus Christ. He will not go back to the cross a second time either.
Anyone who accepts Jesus, and I mean the fullness of Jesus, will be saved. It is not His will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Why must one repent? It is the choice of the person to repent of sins or not repent.
Not much else I can say here.
Lady G- well at least you provided us with an explanation. First of all many people who are gay are capable of producing children- Often, sexuality happens to be more fluid than a lot of people believe... Also, if a gay man couldn't peform in the traditional sense there are other options in which he could impregnate a woman, And I need not elaborate... Or more practially he could donate his sperm. A person who thinks reasonably could see that the whole not conceiving idea is not so black and white.
Bisexual people are also capable of producing children yet bisexuality is apparently condemned as well. And are all the straight people who do not conceive children deemed to hell as well?
By this logic, I also do not see what's wrong with same sex acts in and of themselves before marriage?
Shockingly, I think that the criticism people like Nathaniel receives for posting hateful views somehow pales in comparison to the experience of some gay people, especially during adolescence.
And tngolfplayer- thanks so much for expressing your view. I think few people could relay a better argument. Perhaps if there were more people like you in this world not nearly as many gay, bisexual, and questioning young people would have to deal with depression, feelings of guilt,abandonment, etc.
Lady G- well at least you provided us with an explanation. First of all many people who are gay are capable of producing children- Often, sexuality happens to be more fluid than a lot of people believe... Also, if a gay man couldn't peform in the traditional sense there are other options in which he could impregnate a woman, And I need not elaborate... Or more practially he could donate his sperm. A person who thinks reasonably could see that the whole not conceiving idea is not so black and white.
Bisexual people are also capable of producing children yet bisexuality is apparently condemned as well. And are all the straight people who do not conceive children deemed to hell as well?
By this logic, I also do not see what's wrong with same sex acts in and of themselves before marriage?
And tngolfplayer- thanks so much for expressing your view. I wish more people could understand that and value/trust the human more. Perhaps if there were more people like you in this world not nearly as many gay, bisexual, and questioning young people would have to deal with depression, feelings of guilt,abandonment, etc.
Rickster
I didn't mean that they couldn't produce children with other sexes--I mean for the union of the same sexes.
Oh and I got a better site for you --other than Bible.org--actually two of them:
http://www.biblegateway.com/ There are MNAY translations to the scriptures here!!
http://www.religioustolerance.org/var_rel.htm
Viral, Just how can we be eternally separated from him when we are a part of him--well totally like him? Has anyone read the other books that didn't make it into the bible and PLEASE don't give me the excuse they are wrong!! Read them and find out if they are wrong--you will be surprised and you will know why they weren't included. This is a sin on MAN's part--nowhere did god say include this on or that one but not this and that. Man did becasue he wanted to give the appearance of control. Do you know how and why the orginal preachers didn't ever face the confrefgation? Look that one up and why do you supposed they would do that and then change that law?
I am done with this rhetoric. Open you minds!!! If we were born in sin then why would God set us up like that in the first place. You all got to read alot more for yourselves..................
Lady G {{I am done with this rhetoric. Open you minds!!! If we were born in sin then why would God set us up like that in the first place. You all got to read alot more for yourselves..................}}
Yes indeed - but don't just read 'scriptures'. Try some philosophy. Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy is still a good starting point. That at least updates you to the early 20th Century. It's just possible that the ancients didn't have all the answers.
pgrundy says:
5 weeks ago
This is very hateful. Who are you to speak for God? Maybe your God is like this, mine is not. I wouldn't want the approval of a hateful God like yours, and I'm not homosexual, I just don't think you have any right to judge. Judgement belongs to God, not you, so shut up and go do something good for someone who needs it instead of spreading trouble and hate.
It's sad that you actually believe this garbage. It makes me sad.