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HubPages or Squidoo?

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By relache



What's the difference? What's the same?

HubPages and Squidoo are alike in that they both allow the user to earn money by creating unique content and sharing that content with the host site. People using both sites are trying to drive more traffic to their own web pages, or make money from home, or have a web presence without their own site.

HubPages is to Squidoo like a ...

  • text capsule is to a text/write module

  • photo capsule is to a Flickr or Polaroid module

  • video capsule is to a YouTube or Video module

  • links capsule is to a link list module

  • news capusle is to a news module

  • rss capsule is to an rss module

  • comments capsule is to a guestbook module

  • eBay capsule is to an eBay module

  • Amazon capsule is to an Amazon module

Please note, both sites are evolving rapidly and frequently update or expand their features, so this hub and its contents are subject to change as I review and compare all the new stuff!


Tell A Friend - Referral Earnings

Both web sites have little bits of tracking code that let a user earn a referral bonus for recruiting other new service/community members.

HubPages: When a new user signs up within 30 days as a result of a referral, the referring hub author will earn 10% of the advertising impression of that new author's hubs for the life of the hubs. Authors can build custom codes to track their own ad campaigns and referrals. You can access a list of who was referred via what tracking code, how many views that person's hubs are getting and even click through to see their profile and full hub list.

Squidoo: Originally at Squidoo, when new users would sign up via one of your lenses, the referring lensmaster would be in line to earn $5 when the new lensmaster has earned $15. From the stats page of the dashboard, you get a list of who signed up from one of your lenses and you can click over to view that person's profile and lenses.

My fave: HubPages wins this one, mostly because in the fall of 2008, Squidoo decided to do away with the referral bonus, but don't expect to get rich from referral percentages either. Overall, the folks who join up are going to mostly be duds unless you've got links bringing people in from an actively-writing web population and those people are looking to create. Looking at my Hubs to Squidoo traffic and vice versa, I've had more success bringing Squidoo writers to this site and getting them to build lenses than the other way round, but either program has resulted in more duds and/or spam than genuinely-good referrals.



Statistics - What do they tell you?

HubPages: The overall Hub Traffic statistics shows an author one day, 7 day, thirty day and "ever" traffic totals. Also listed are the hubscores, # of comments and date of initial publication. Individual stats available for each hub include breakdowns of referrals within the one, seven and thirty day period, with prominent referrers listed by referral totals. In addition to what HubPages provides you, they also let you plug in a tracker from Google Analytics, thus giving you all of Google's feedback and stats on all your hubs.

Squidoo: Squidoo has *just* updated the statistics that they offer to lensmasters. Previously, there was nothing in the way of referral URLs, and only a few stats for weekly rolling traffic averages. The new stats show traffic trends, totals for visitor interactions such as emailing the lens or marking as favorite, referring URLs, royalty totals and recently purchased items from Amazon.

My fave: HubPages clearly lets you access more ROI, SEO and referral data on what you've built via Google Analytics.

Curious as to how the two sites compare when it comes to incorporating pictures?


Forums & Community

On Squidoo, the forums were integral from the get go of the site. Lensmasters do a lot of mutual tentacle holding and help each other out a lot when it comes to getting answers and information. The forums (www.squidu.com) are a separate domain from the main site, so if by chance the main site is down, you can still go find out what's happening. In addition to the forum topics, there is an instructional article archive. There are community moderators who keep an eye on things and enforce forum etiquette.

On HubPages, there were no forums for just about the whole first year that the site was up and running, so the early users had to do whatever it was they were doing in on their own, or they had to contact admin directly via email for help. Part of what calculates into an author's HubScore is participation in the forums. Another way to phrase that is HubPages will penalize you for not interacting with the rest of the community. There are Hub-related topics as well as ones for general discussion.

My fave: Hands-down, it's Squidoo. Right on every forum page they have a statement of conduct, outlining what is not allowed. Here are their two of Squidoo's forum rules:

  • Spam: just don't do it. Thou also shalt not fill the forums with multiple threads on the same topic or sockpuppet.
  • Thou shalt not flame, harass, denigrate, spam, malign, or otherwise finger-point and name-call at other lensmasters, Citizens or moderators. This one's a biggy. This too can get you banned.

Whereas HubPages has a vague acknowledgment to forum conduct guidelines in their TOS, unless someone flags a post early, it's a free-for-all. You'll find flame wars (users fighting and insulting each other), sock puppeting (single users pretending to be multiple users), messages promoting just about any type of intolerance you can imagine, trolling (people making extreme posts in an attempt to incite flame wars) and spam postings all over the place. Not only that, but HubPages users frequently like to attack people en mass, especially spammers after the original spam post has been deleted, thus preserving a thread full of people hurling insults at someone who isn't even on the site anymore. And remember, this is the site that will penalize your score if you try and avoid the forums. All I can say is good luck and post very carefully at HubPages.  The forums are one of my least favorite things about HubPages.


Latest Hubs from Paul Edmondson, founder and CEO of HubPages

The Ratings Game - HubScore vs LensRank

On HubPages, hubs are ranked based on traffic, clickouts, sales, votes (thumbs up/down), visitor interactions and author reputation. HubPages has said they review content for originality, and duplicate content is automatically ranked down by filters in the system. Based on these shifting factors, each hub will rise and fall throughout the day within a fairly small rank range.

On Squidoo, lenses are ranked in numerical order, with each lens having an overall ranking amongst the entire pool of lenses and a ranking based on the lens category. LensRank comes from traffic, clickouts, sales, votes (stars) and visitor interactions. You absolutely must keep updating your lenses, or at least hitting the publish button from time to time, or you're going to fall in rank.

My fave: The larger Squidoo has gotten, the more exhausting it's been to try and maintain lensrank but literally putting in the effort can help hold that bottom line with the payouts. With HubPages, it doesn't take constant new efforts to maintain a high score and the Author community will still spend as much time arguing about their ideas for the algorithm. If you aren't into constantly updating your web content, you'll probably be happier here.


Why HubPages?

The Look and Feel

One of the first things you find newbies asking in the forums on HubPages is how they can change the fonts, sizes, colors, backgrounds and all that other stuff that sent you running away from MySpace.

You CAN NOT change any of your colors, fonts or backgrounds on HubPages beyond what is built-in to the capsules controls themselves.  It makes for a very standardized look to the site, but it also keeps a certain amount of lollipop-school of design off of HubPages.

Squidoo offers a variety of HTML and CSS options whereby the slightly more savvy web writer can customize the look of their lens.  They have way more options for displaying photos, either integrated with text or standalone.  They are about to launch a series of new design templates to jazz up the basic look of the site if you don't know any programming.  And you can add just about anything that doesn't take any dynamic coding.

My fave: This is really a hard call.  On the one hand, I really like being able to bring a unique look to my pages and occasionally high-light an important point.  This has been hard to do on HubPages.  However, the lollipop design school has been flourishing at Squidoo as of late, and it's caused a lot of lenses to look like utter eyesores.  If you want a total custom look and you'd like to stick a few ad banners in there, you'll be much happier with the look of Squidoo.

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Joel McDonald profile image

Joel McDonald  says:
4 weeks ago

Wow! What an amazing comparison! I've never explored squidoo nearly as much as I should, but from the sound of it, it sounds like I need to.

Thanks for the comprehensive review!

sacredcow profile image

sacredcow  says:
2 months ago

thanks relache very good one

mailxpress profile image

mailxpress  says:
2 months ago

Hi,

I believed I joined Squidoo a long while ago and had a hard time with it. Thank you so much for sharing and comparing the two websites and the step by step instructions on how to use each of them.

I will definitely give Squidoo a try again. Thanks for a very interesting good read.

mailxpress

light up profile image

light up  says:
3 months ago

very informative , i will try both of them. thanks!

Appletreedeals profile image

Appletreedeals  says:
5 months ago

Thanks for the information, I'm new and am continually search the hubs to learn the ropes. Yours is a definate thumbs-up

Gregory

esocial profile image

esocial  says:
8 months ago

Good info, thanks! Squidoo has too many tech issues right now though. .Difficult to make lenses there.

kiwi91 profile image

kiwi91  says:
9 months ago

Thanks for the comparisons and giving us this insider info, it's good to hear from someone who takes both seriously what they've experienced and have made. I never knew that your hubscore was partially calculated by your forum participation. I'll have to drop by and see what's going on.

treeguy profile image

treeguy  says:
11 months ago

My hubpages are showing on Google very quick, I have had 4-5 on Squidoo for weeks and not yet on Google which is big deal to me.

lakeerieartists profile image

lakeerieartists  says:
12 months ago

Rae, I want to say thank you for this hub as I am doing research into doing more writing on Hubpages to augment what I am doing on Squidoo. This was very helpful and I plan to look at more of your pages to see how they are put together. I haven't really explored this site much yet. :)

Minsheyenwen profile image

Minsheyenwen  says:
13 months ago

I enjoyed my visit to HubPage or Squidoo? I love Squidoo and I am new to HubPages. I am just starting to use both platforms. This Hub is very helpful.

Trsmd profile image

Trsmd  says:
15 months ago

Hubpages.. creating a new page is faster than squidoo..

relache profile image

relache  says:
18 months ago

Linette, I have 100 Hubs and 100 Lenses and I earn two to three times as much at Squidoo as HubPages depending on the time of year.

Lynett profile image

Lynett  says:
2 years ago

Personally, I have a few Hubpages, and quite a few Squidoo lenses. I've had better luck with traffic at Squidoo, and earn more there too.

relache profile image

relache  says:
2 years ago

I'm a top lensmaster at Squidoo and don't seem to have the trouble with traffic that many HubPages authors claim they are experiencing. So far, I earn three times the amount of money per month on Squidoo that I do with HubPages and that's comparing 100 lenses to 92 Hubs.

creditme profile image

creditme  says:
2 years ago

I'm finding that my articles on Hubpages get ranked at Google a lot sooner and a lot higher than any of my Squidoo lens. Perhaps the search engines know that Hubpages are generally better quality?

relache profile image

relache  says:
2 years ago

You are correct Marc. You can swap, trade, barter, sell or donate a Squidoo lens, but so far, any HubPages you make have to stay with you.

MarcNorris profile image

MarcNorris  says:
2 years ago

Thanks for clarifying the differences between the two. I have just started out here and at Squidoo, so I will get to see how things compare between the two.

One difference that I didn't see here is that you can sell a Squidoo lens, but I don't think that you can sell a Hubpage.

tresero profile image

tresero  says:
2 years ago

Thanks for the hub, I am also moving some content from squdoo to hubpages, and all my new articles go here. I think the day of sending your article to 100 article sites is coming to an end, and hubpages seems to have the right approach.

Now if only they would let us have more control over formatting, like if you have a 90+ score you can use tables and etc.

CMOE profile image

CMOE  says:
2 years ago

You have a really hight score. I can't seem to get mine up no matter what I try. Do you have any ideas?

beta1070 profile image

beta1070  says:
2 years ago

This has answered a lot of questions for me, much appreciated :)

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