Should illegal immigrants be allowed to possess driver’s license?
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We hope that Obama re-think this issue.
The idea of illegal immigrants having the right to obtain a drivers license is an oxymoron because logically speaking, someone who is illegal should not possess a driver's license. That is the reason why this person is illegal otherwise he would have been able to obtain a license if he wanted one. The word illegal immigrants and drivers license doesn’t coincide well with the American people. To most Americans, when they hear illegal immigrants having the right to obtain drivers license, the first thing that comes to mind is job insecurity. They believed, if illegal immigrants have the right to have a driver’s license than they also have a right to work with it. In a way, any proposition to legislate laws that would make this possible would cause the working class Americans to be outrage. As a reminder, it was this issue that had contributed to the removal of California Gov. Gray Davis out of office.
Some would argue that if the immigrant has illegally entered the country why not deport him instead of providing him with a license. By providing the illegal immigrant with a license proves that we welcome illegal immigrants in the country. Well, if that is the case why not make them legal immigrants so that there’re in the same boat with our citizens that whay no one gets deported. I believe they deserved a chance to become legal immigrants not illegal licenses. This inconsistency demonstrates that some underlining reason which we’re not all aware of exist because if this wasn’t the case, they wouldn’t be a need for illegal immigrants. Some of our grand parents came in this country at a time when this country was in great need for immigrants. They weren't offered driver's licenses; they made them immediate legal immigrants.
Since we’re all aware that this country cannot run without illegal immigrants, than the next question should be why they would need a driver’s license. That led us to believed, if they’re required to have driver’s licenses than opportunities for different job classification would become accessible to them. That raises lots of concern among the legal immigrant and the citizens; they begin to think about job security. It is reasonable to think if the illegal immigrant is allowed to have a driver’s license than they will be allowed to drive their employer’s vehicles. If that happens, how would it affect the citizen and the legal immigrant?
We know that illegal immigrants are necessities in this country. Almost every restaurants in New York City has a Mexican in the back, the construction industry strives because of Mexican, almost all the low paying job is performed by the Mexican. If they’re so important to us why not document them, make them part of our legal working class immigrants. I think most of you know the answer to that question, and in case you're still thinking, the answer is “greater profit”. Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest cost an employer can bare is labor. Free labor was the main reason for slavery therefore, as long as companies continue to benefit from illegal immigrants, the need to disenfranchise them will always be good for all businesses.
Now you tell me, do citizens and legal immigrants have a right to worry about our job security if illegal immigrant were to have access to driver’s licenses. Illegal immigrants having access to a driver’s licenses will affect those of us whose jobs are in the sector of construction, mechanical, merchandise distribution and a whole lot of other jobs held by legal citizens would be affected. Who would benefit, is a different story. Those are the same folks who want to put in place laws that would allow illegal immigrants to possess driver’s licenses. They have attempted to pass this law in the name of national security, but you know as well as I do that this is bull shhh -- you know the rest.
The documents presented at DMV to obtain a drivers license suggest that this person is legal otherwise without the 6 points which often include passport, a utility bill under the same name as the passport, a green card, social security card and maybe birth certificate are all documents that proves legal status. If an illegal immigrant has a drivers license, it indicates that he possess all of the above mentioned documents. Which mean an employer doesn’t need to ask for further documents.
And under this law no employer should be punished for hiring undocumented immigrants because the driver’s license suggest that the immigrant is legal, so why would the employer ask further questions, just hire the illegal. It seems to me under this new law, if it were to happen, the illegal immigrants would not have the same requirements to obtain a driver's license as the citizens. This kind of inconsistency within the system would also become a concern.
If they wish to tighten national security, why would offering illegal immigrants driver’s licenses be one of the best solution. Why would illegal immigrants need to drive for that security to be effective? Why not provide them with state identification which would require them to be finger printed. This is why we the blue collar class believes that ulterior motive is behind that law being enacted.
We hope that Obama re-think this issue and while doing so keep in mind that illegal immigrants couldn't vote for him. It was we, the blue collars from all unions who voted him in office. We understand that he made a promise to take up immigration reform first year in office. We hope that he look over the licensing issue because as it is right now, the underline reasons conflict with the blue collar working class.
We want to keep our wages and our jobs, having illegal immigrants license will tempt corporations to take advantage of this situation which would eventually caused our wages to decline. As it right now, inflation has gone up and our wages stated the same. So in a sense we’re already lost, so please don’t allow this law to be enacted. Since we're understood that we're in a recession, we accept being inflated, after all we do have a job, and others don't. We’re counting on you for honoring our licenses. We would like you to know that you have the support of all the local unions who voted for you in the last election.
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Are you sure none of the illegals didn't vote period.
There are no real filters in the voting process, there is no validation.
Illegal immigrants, hurt the process that legal immigrants are taking to get into the country. It doesn't seem fair that the illegals can bypass the process. There are thousands of immigrants that are rejected from the legal process.
On top of a driver license, they need insurance.
BTW, I think the real plan behind giving the illegals driver licenses, is to identify and track them. Pretty much like the government tracks all of its citizens and legal immigrants.
I was a legal immigrant before I became a citizen so please don’t think for a minute that I don’t sympathize with the illegal immigrants. I think it’s unfair to them as well as us for the government to offer them drive’s licenses and for them to still keep their illegal status. If they can drive a car than later on they’ll give them a commercial license. What happen to us when that happens, well sense they illegal they’ll be exploited and if they’re being exploited we the citizens end up working for less? Why? Think about it ….if we don’t accept the pay the company offers us, they’ll turn around and hire the illegal, leaving us with the choice to settle for less.
If it’s really about the sensors why not offer them state idea cards. It would serve the same purpose except they won’t be able to do our jobs until they obtain legal status. The bottom line is if the government care so much about illegal immigrant why not make them legal and get it over with.
The idea of given illegal immigrant licenses doesn’t even make sense because if they illegal they shouldn’t have a driver’s license. That’s why they illegal because if they were not illegal they would have it. The documents presented at DMV to obtain a drivers license suggest that this person is legal otherwise without the 6 points which often include passport, a utility bill under the same name as the passport, a green card, social security card and maybe birth certificate are all documents that proves legal status.
Now you tell me, if an illegal immigrant has a drivers license it indicates that he possess all of the above mentioned documents. Which mean an employer doesn’t need to ask for further documents and under this law no employer should be punished for hiring undocumented immigrants because the driver’s license suggest that he may not be illegal so why would they ask further questions, just hire the illegal.
It is not so much about hiring the illegal it is about supporting them as if they are citizens.
If it looks like a duck then it is treated like a duck.
You are right about "illegal" should be the emphasis to handling the problem.
What is the sense of having Immigration Laws if they are not enforced.
If president Obama wants to make the illegals who have been working in this country for so many years legal than that's just great. At least now, they'll be in the same boat as us. We won't have to worry about losing our jobs to illegal immigrants because then they won't be easily exploited. Now that's what you call support - it's much harder to take advantage of a legal immigrants than when they're illegal. If they become legal than they can very well applied for a driver's license which would be find with us as far as I'm concern. If the immigrants are not afraid of being deported, they'll be able to bargain their wages instead of settling for penny on the dollar an hour.
You are right -- everybody into the same boat
American people? Who are American people? As far as I can remember in geology in third grade there is a North America and a South America, even Canadians are "American". So before you share your opinion do as much research as possible, and remember the basics are always important, for example this country is based on immigration and many states were originally Spanish. The borders crossed many people not the people the borders.
Laura
Time to go back to school, the books have been updated.
Canadians are in Canada
Mexicans are in Mexico
Americans are in the United States
Everyone knows who is being referred when they say American.
And the issue here is should illegal non Americans be given a privilege of driving in the United States. Even for American Citizens driving is a privilege and not a right.
BTW, did you mean Geography instead of Geology?
Hey! Lora it’s good to be a constructive critique, I can certainly appreciate that. However, I must say that your critique needs to be more constructive. Especially when you criticizing someone else work, you must be clear so that everyone gets it, better luck next time. Somehow I’m not sure that you’re fully aware what you’re talking about. Anyhow our world geography dictates that we’re situated in North America. The countries that are part of the Americas are United State, Mexico, Canada and some countries of the Caribbean such as Puerto Rico, Cuba & Jamaica and others are all part of the Americas. Now, why is it that United State is the only country that is referred to as the United State of America? Why not the Mexico of America? Since you seem to know better than every one else, so you tell us...
My grandpa was from Mexico and he became a US Citizen. And he used to rant and rave about the Mexican Citizens who would visit San Diego ( driving their cars with their orangish yellow BAJA license plates)...they cannot drive for SHIZNIT!!! And they DO NOT require them to get a license because they are supposedly "visiting".
If you are Illegal ( snuck over the border without permission) in the country you cannot get a license...I know Border Patrol Agents who are my friends and my Cousins wife works for the DMV in SD too so I know what I am talking about).
Now if you are a Legal Alien Resident or you have papers allowing you to come back and forth to America due to your job you can but you are not considered Illegal. My husband is not a citizen but he is a legal resident and working on his citizenship. There is a difference.
I'm legal and I can't get a driver's license, have you seen the lines at the DMV? I hope I'm ahead of any illegals at least.
I hear you goldentoad, but i'm sorry my friend -- they's no discremination at the DMV. Thanks for the reply jjrubio
An awful lot of Americans share the same views on illegal immigrants - and that is that they are illegal. The country is being drained by them; and even if they save a few questionable employers a few dollars, the country could do just fine without them. That willingness to disregard immigration laws means they'd willing to disregard any number of other laws, as well. There's a big difference between legal immigrants and illegal immigrants, simply because legal immigrants.
I agree that illegal immigrants should not get licenses; but I suppose what people are thinking is that we all know they drive without licenses and without insurance anyway. Licenses would let the government keep track of them, at least to some degree. I'm not sure, though, that blue collar workers need to worry about their job more than they already must now. A driver's license would not make an illegal immigrant any more attractive to a lot of employers.
HI! Lisa thanks for the comments I must say though legal and illegal immigrants are necessities in this country. I'm not sure where in the country you're situated but if it is a populated city where immigrants can be found in abundance, I suggest you visit your local hospitals, restaurants, nursing homes, construction sites, McDonalds, public schools, local police stations, and even some of your lawyers & doctors. As we speak, I can place a bet with you that they is no hospital in America without an immigrant Indian doctor working in it. Immigrants do all types of jobs in this country. This country was built on immigrants back -- we are all descendent of immigrants except those of us whose heritage derived from the American Indians. Immigrants are here to strengthen the country not weaken it. They is no America without immigrants - I think your teacher did you wrong in the history class.
This country is standing because of immigrants.. leGal or illegal. If we want to look at the history.. Americans ARE IMMIGRANTS.. they came to this lands and brought slaves with them to work on the land.. the only people who really lived were the indians.. someone correct me if i'm wrong.. So i think that everyone should get a chance to do things the right way and become a legal citizen, and be able to work hard to reach the American Dream..
And one more thing... North America, South America... Latinos are AMericans too so get it right.
Well, this is something that i havea very strong opinion about. Immigrants aren't always criminals. Has it ever occured to you that maybe some immigrants came to this counrty really young and really had no choice as to wether they'd want to be here or not? You keep stressing your concern about jobs and licenses and really theres a lot more to look at besides Immigrants and don't give them a license. You say immigrants shouldn't be allowed to have a D.L. and that doing so would only state that Immigrants are welcome in U.S, right? I say that if America really wanted to keep immigrants out, why allow them to work and still collect on taxes? Has it ever occured to you that maybe if "IMMIGRANTS" had a Drivers Licencse there would be less things to worry about? I.E. many immigrants are here to prosper, work, become someone in life, perhaps live the life that you have. You should feel flattered. But instead you worry, Why is that? Is it because you know that an undocumented person might to any job better than you? I think so, you know why? Because they have more to lose than you do. To you a job is no big thing, BEING AMERICAN AND ALL, right? To an undocumented person a job is a dream come true. That makes them feel more of a woman or man. They have managed to put food on the table a bit longer. I'm sure that you have realized by now that you weren't just made of an 100% american seed? We are all mixed some way some how. So I would like to know what makes you think you're any better than any undocumented person living in the United States.? To me it seems as if you lack a bit of self confidence and feel the need to worry that there might just be someone out there that ISN'T at your so called "Level" that perhaps instilled some fear in you.
I said illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to obtain a driver's lisence - not immigrant. we're all immigrants but we are not all illigal immigrants. They's a difference beautiful.
Nice points CB, however; nothing matters until our borders are closed and illegals sent home. Make easier for them to come and work but protect us from thier criminals, we have our own. Look, if their not here with the proper documentation they are here illegally. If some one robbed a bank so they could enjoy the things that comes with earning money or to support their families we should let them off because they just wanted to be like us? What?! Lets face it if they are here and are not caring the correct visas or documentation they broke the law which makes them criminals. If they are willing to break one law why not another ? How about car insurance, taxes, seat belt laws, loitering, theft of service(schools, hospitals)? One of the reasons we have immigration laws is to protect our way of life and I know from experience illegals don't give a rats ass about our way of life. If you had watched a US v. Mexico soccer match you would here them chanting Osama. They come illegally to grab what they can and send it home. There's no gratitude or respect . That's not true about all but it is about most. We are really blind about what people actually think about Americans because if we saw the situation as it is we put a stop to this gross violation of our laws.
the tool that you are in need of, is called spell check. while you have valid complaints, you will never be taken seriously until you learn how to utilize your vocabulary in such a way that it commands a certain amount of respect! please take this positive criticism seriously, as I find myself in league with your sentiment.
Sorry Mike, I'm a ditch digger, for real. Thanks for your advise. I will use spell check in the future sometimes I forget.Peace.
Hi! Mike
you right about the spell check it may work but you're wrong for saying that i wouldn't be taken serioulsy. I already got 10,000 hit i've been on hubpages for 8 months. If my work was tastless no one would want to read it.
most people read for content they couldn't care less abut spelling. Most of us don't know how to spell anyhow which is why we used spell check.
thanks for the constructive critisim
i think they should be issued ids! what if they have been in the U.S. their entire life and are in the process of becoming legal! Iis not fair to take away the privledge of driving or having an ID when they are basically American without the rights! Renew their license!!!! The U.S. was bulit on freedom with nothing but immigrants who came here for the freedom!
Legal Immigration, Illegal Immigration...there is a world of difference between the two. Right now we have 7.5 million illegal alien scum (scum, as in a low life criminal element, which illegal aliens are)still working in our economy while over 12 million legal immmigrants and American citizens are out of work.
Right now, we have a Idiot Savant as a president who refuses to implement E VErify (which is over 99 percent effective in identifying those who are not entitled to work in America) because (his words) "implementing E Verify would cause to many illegal aliens to lose their jobs." This same idiot savant raised taxes on cigarettes by over one dollar to fund S-Chip which provides health insurance to some 4.5 Anchor Babies (the children of illegal aliens).
This same president had E Verify delayed again so that some 300,000 jobs paid for with our taxes could go to illegal aliens. Now we have Homeland Security pushing for a new program that would allow ILLEGAL ALIENS to have Drivers Licenses!
HELLO FOLKS! THIS IS AMNESTY BEING FORCED FED TO THE MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICA ONE DISTASTEFUL BITE AT A TIME, and we need to stand up, take to the streets and tell Obama and the Democrats no. The time has come to send illegal aliens and (in most cases) their bastard children back to their home countries.
BudHasherdashery. you are the dumbest person i have heard of. if you read any of the comments everyone is an immigrant so telling people to go back to their home countries makes no point. Why dont you go back to your home country.
Wow, I am a 15th Generation American and 9th Generation Texan, my family ceased having immigrant status long ago! I am a Natural born American and do not believe Illegals should have drivers licenses for many reasons but the most important one is the right to vote. In some states all it takes to register to vote is an ID, and a license is an ID! Why should my vote be discounted by an Illegals vote? It shouldn't!
NO ILLEGALS should have anything to do with this country..But this is why the borders have been opened..To provide them with our jobs...And they are taking our jobs and putting us out in the street to boot...I am so sorry, I am outraged by what is happening...sorry...Illegals have no right in this country....period..The borders all of them should be closed and only Americans who were born here should be allowed to live here...I should be more respectful, but I was born, raised and lived here all my life....no illegals...close the borders....send them all back where they came from ...no matter where it is....I do apologize for being so upset...We are supposed to be respectful....please forgive my outrage!!!
And who the heck is "me" and what is this person doing commenting in here??? ID's??? I have words I will not even utter over your comment "me"
I do believe they should,
because first of all my parents are immigrants to this country from Italy. My dad has been driving around *without* a license it's sad to see my father like that! And it's actually really sad that people also DON'T understand the fact that all immigrants aren't bad people! It makes me so mad! People come to "America" because they care about their families and where they come from there is A LOT of poverty, i mean seriously who wouldn't care for their family? Unless your as cold blooded as some **idiots** on this message board. But other than that of course immigrants should get their license back!
And also if anyone didn't learn anything in history class,
EVERYONE IS AN IMMIGRANT!!!!!
I think that anyone taking government funds, whether children are on medicaid, or gets a welfare check is required to work the jobs that illegal immigrants do for the uS, than many more young people will get their education, and there will be a lot less people drawing off you and I who work hard every day.
I was looking for the part where you talk about someone without a license not being able to get insurance for their car - so when they hit your car you are out of luck. I understand the insanity of giving someone a license when they are not here legally - but the reality is that without the license there is no insurance and those of us that have been hit are S.O.L.
The illegals are just a tool of corporate America to keep the lower classes from rising like they have done in the past. They want everyone who is not at the top to stay down. Massive amounts of cheap labor keeps the pay down and profits up. It's the law of supply and demand.
Should illegal immigrants be allowed to possess a drivers license? HELL NO! Leave kindly. And I don't want to hear the crying and bitching about "Well what about when we settled America, WE were the immigrants back then!" ok, whatever you say, but don't forget that there was no prior established governement in this land back then. THANKS!
Steve Orris says:
8 months ago
This country can run well without illegal immigrants. If they come in legally, God bless them. I hope they do well. If they come in illegally they should be punished, not rewarded. The only work they should be doing is public service; until they are legal. Why should companies profit from exploiting workers?