Paul Birdsall’s Streamline Funnel Bait And Switch Scam
73Too many seniors and poor people did get hurt by this scam.
It all started in the last week of June. The pre-launch information of the Streamline Funnel System was revealed by Paul Birdsall and offered to the internet community with a lot of hype and hoopla. It all ended up being one big scam. In the information Streamline Funnel System offered a super low monthly membership fee of $ 9.99 per month in return for which the member will get his Streamline Funnel System link broadcasted to a double opt in, white listed and targeted mailing list of 10,000 each month. Any sign ups from these mailings would later be available to the member’s personal list where they can promote any of their own products. No number was ever mentioned but because they were using the new Web 3.0 technology they had already a huge list of prospects who are waiting to receive information from Streamline Funnel System. Of course, in its own way this looks too good to be true, but who had ever heard of Web 3.0? Most people have heard of Web 2.0 and therefore would naturally expect that Web 3.0 is an improvement of Web 2.0. The official launch date to the general public was set for July 1, 2009.
Here are some of their selling points:
See how people like YOU are simply plugging into Paul Birdsall's brand new Streamline Funnel System and earning as much as $1,000* to $10,000* a WEEK from HOME.
• Personal selling, convincing, and explaining: ELIMINATED
• Buying leads, cold calling, selling to your friends and family: ELIMINATED
• Mickey Mouse home based businesses that are designed only to profit the creator: NEVER AGAIN!
• Learning, studying, testing, applying and re-testing the never ending Web2.0 Internet marketing methods: NEVER AGAIN!
Competitors are stunned and left scratching their heads as our members generate thousands of dollars a week - ON 100% AUTOPILOT!
In one of his audio seminars, people who had signed up in this pre-launch period were being told that their market studies have shown that a sign-up rate of somewhere between 20 and 25% can be expected. That means that a member could expect somewhere between 200 and 250 people in his or her downline. An unusually high conversion rate, but at this entry price understandable.
Due to Independence Day and an official Canada holiday the launch date was post postponed till July 7th.
During the pre-launch period members were given more information and were told that they would earn about 50% commission when one of their direct downline would purchase an additional Lead Package of 10, 20 or 40 thousand. Minimum commission would be $ 50.00 for the 10K Lead Package. This made the proposition even more attractive.
Pre-launch members started their promotions and as a result of the low entry price, an unusual portion of people in the low income group, people who have just been laid off, senior citizens and single mothers had dreams of getting out of their financial situation and signed up. Because of all the blown up promises the pre-launch promoters gathered an amazing number of sign ups of approximately 38,000 at launch date.
Only a couple of days, no more that 3, before the official launch date promoters were being told that the price was not just $ 9.99 because that was only the “lock in your position” price, but that there would be an additional fee of about $ 40.00 per month.
As a result, from the approx. 38,000 prospects about 8,000 people signed up on the official launch date.
Sign up date was a complete disaster. Payment system was not ready and no proper receipts were produced. It was a problem for some, but because of the great opportunity it was overlooked by many. The computer system was a total disaster and so it seemed were the people operating them.
About 2 weeks after launch date, members were informed that the credit card processor had frozen the account for 6 months. They were scrambling to get a new processor and will get back to the members. In the meantime it appears that none of the leads had gone out. Members were advised that it could be between 7 and 21 days before mailings would go out for the basic members who their full membership. In the last week of July Streamline Funnel System contracted a new credit card processor and members were advised to sign up again starting July 28th or July 29th. This fee had to include the $ 9.99 “lock in fee” or 3 day trial that would be returned by the original credit card processor. The original credit card processor would credit these payments back on the member’s card before July 31st.
Originally a commission payment policy had been announced. Commission would be paid within 5 days following the month that a commission was produced. This was changed to 15 to 17 days after commissions were earned.
Much of the problems were caused by misinformation and making of promises that were not being kept. To this date it appears that several of the members have not received the initial payment of $ 9.99 back, but have also not had their link shown to the 10,000 opt in list. Many of the people who have had their list go out eventually are complaining that they have had very little reaction and that commissions due to them have not been paid on time. Others are claiming that mailings have gone out to their list but with links from the founders of the program.
At one point they had a official member Forum, but when too many negative feelings started to be expressed. Many negative posts never made it on the board or where removed. On or about August 12th it was decided that the Forum was locked for clean up. A couple of days later it was re-opened, many of the posts expressing legitimate concerns about Streamline Funnel System were removed. So much for a member's Forum. (This must be the NEW freedom of speech principle) In response, some disgruntled members started their own Forum Streamlinefunnelsystem Revealed, where everyone could vent their frustrations.
The developers of the Streamline Funnel System have recently announced Phase 2 of their program and now it appears that it seemed to have been the intention all along to merge the Streamline Funnel System members into the Shaklee Corporation and have them put under a number of the Shaklee official Distributors. After some investigation it shows that a number of the top figures in the Streamline Funnel System are also Distributors of the Shaklee business.
Attracting people to a 'hands-free' money making internet marketing system at $ 9.99 is a far cry from becoming a sales person or distributor for a consumer product corporation that wants their distributors to carry inventory etc. For many of the disadvantaged and poor people who saw the Streamline Funnel System as their last hope to get out from under and turn their life around. Instead, they were plundered by unscrupulous scam artists who were in the process of recruiting a large sales force for a large corporation. These poor people have invested some of the little money they have, spent time to build a downline only to learn that there is much more money needed than they have access to and therefore have to drop out. The result is that the downline goes to the developers. If that isn't a fraud, I don't know what is.
It might be a funnel system, but I am afraid that the funnel is being
emptied in the wrong pockets. Is it a Ponzi Scheme, some of the people
did get paid what was due to them but many members did not receive
anything.
To sum it up; Streamline Funnel System is a scam to attract people to join a program that will eventually draw them into another unrelated company. Many innocent and poor people have been deceived by this group and their fraudulent actions. It is time that competent authorities start investigating Paul Birdsall and Streamline Funnel System and check into this, what appears to be, set up as a fraudulent venture. Maybe they can find out what the "real" Streamline Funnel System is all about too many people got hurt in the process and their last hope and dreams in these troubled times have been squashed.
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You hit the nail on the head. I'm a disabled person - a baby boomer - near retirement - I had pined my hopes that this was not a scam - I was taken for over $400 - I made repeated attempts to contact them - no results - Had the same problem with the member forum - I had to contact my credit card company to put the charges in dispute for non-performance - I didn't have $400 to blow - I put in a support ticked to cancel - after 5 days still no response - If you joined Streamline Funnel System I feel you should get out as fast as you can - I don't see how people like this sleep at night.
I have been a (SFS)ShakleeFunnelSystem...SuckerFunnelSystem...Streamlinefunnelsystem???...Since Pre~launch...and to this day...I have not been paid any commissions due!...
People can anly take so much of being scammed and funneled around by Paul Birdsall, Chris Pearson and all his top Shaklee business partners!
They have yet to introduce a phase 3 to this funnel...which will be teaching people how to use Web 2.0 techniques to promote their Web 3.0 system~...Now what's wrong with that picture?
These people say that they care for you, but the reality is that they only care about greasing their own pockets!!!..What a shame...
Are you a member that got scammed into joining SFS?
Come and join a real business with us...
Enough is enough~...
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Do your part and help STOP these thieves...
Join the forum and see for yourself what really is going on in the Shaklee Funne System...
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Interesting,
I was pissed off too over all the blunders to start with merchant account, but did finally get refunded, although it did take a month, I was able to verify that it was merchant account holding my money. Well, I did reenter and had an idea this was again a ploy to promote Shaklee, a find company which has solid five decade plus record of success, but why didn't Paul tell everyone the truth is my issue.
When he said he was going to St. Louis on SFS business, why not say it like it is, it was to hook up Shaklee as phase 2 income opportunity. OK, here we are, some still pissed, some happy with results, so who knows where this will go, but in previous Streamline Magic deal, he became one of the largest Shaklee reps, which is why he can have dinner with owner of Shaklee at his home, hhhmmmmmm.
Here is my problem, I like to be told the truth, and I feel he should have come clean and said he was going to leverage group in SFS to promote Shaklee and letting the system do all the selling for everyone who gets into Shaklee. Well, I for one will wait to see what the fall out will be verses the success in placing people under others into Shaklee. Since bad news always travels faster than good news, we shall see if it works or not for most. The way I look at it, if we do see results from SFS, the leads will be either useless or they will come into Shaklee only, hhhmmmm.
In closing, I was paid all commissions owed, so I cannot complain about anything other than tactics used to bait us all into program to begin with. If it is successful, everyone will soon forget all the start up issues, and the useless $9.99 three day tickler which has been overused by all the so called guru's who all bait and switch, so now that it is $39.96 or else, that is way it should have been started. Who cares about cheap trials when we all know they are set ups for the upsell. lol
Success to all,
I agree with isucceedtoday 100000% -
I also agree with Payperclick - many many many years ago I was a member of Shaklee - they have great products - I wonder if they know what kind of scam Paul Birdsall is pulling here - I wonder how ethical they would think this is?
David Glassey
I paid $370 for 40,000 leads. I got 1 person. I will make $15, not bad profit. lol I quit. I'm the fool to believe thoes Scammers. I feel sorry for anyone who stays in SFS.
My Advice is get out before you lose any more money.
The simple fact is that people do not like to be lied to.
Once you become known as a lier, you cannot be trusted any longer. Paul Birdsall has a long history of stealing downline members, this was also seen in Webprosperity.
When he first introduced the funnelsystem to the world, he already knew that there would be a ton of people getting excited and that they would in turn promote that excitement world wide. He also surely figured that out of those 30+K members that signed up, perhaps 20-50% would remain to see if this business was everything he said it was going to be.
Now add a monthly take of 10,000 members X $40.00, that one heck of a pay day for Paul and his team mates! Considering their is nothing that is working.
To this day, they keep on charging the membership fee, plus the entry fee and only a small fraction of people are getting some kind of results.
They are raking in over 1/2 - 3/4 a million dollars per month right now! and only a small fragment of this is being paid back to some members.
They don't even have a web3.0 technology!, it's all fabricated.
Now you have to pay Paul Birdsall and gang, your monthly SFS membership fee so that he can advertise Shaklee for you!
Wow what a gimmick!
You don't have to do anything, simply promote SFS and they do all the selling for you!
What ever happened to, no one needs to do any selling whatsoever?
So what will this all cost you?
a minimum of $150.00 per month, plus shipping fees from Shaklee, and possibly more, depending on what their stage 3 will be.
Wake up folks, you can't be that blind.
P.S. Did you know that Paul Birdsall also got nabbed for Tax evasion in Canada?
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/nwsrm/cnvctns/mb/mb090715
Fact is, Birdsall sold lead packages that were never delivered. That is Fraud. Same as if you go and buy a used car, pay your money, then the salesman tells you i have a better car for you, and won't refund your money.
i don't have much respect for Shaklee if they are bowing to this thief because he is a big producer.
Did you people know that Paul birdsall stole everyones lead lists when they did all their own promotions to market the streamlinefunnelsystem ?
Just a word of caution to anyone who reads this and decides to promote streamlinefunnel through their own advertising efforts...
"They will keep all your leads"!
Then re-sell them as a lead package back to you.
There is no way of tracking anything, so save your money and treat yourself to a yummy meal and feed your kids first.
These guys only want your money, they do not care who gets hurt in the process.
Mr. Paul Burdsall, if you do read this, your going to hit the pavement soon.
And your "Go GREEN" in Shaklee really means "Give me all your green"
I am banned from the official SFS forum since weeks like many others. Just for the crime of asking critical questions and posting facts they didn't like.
Be careful with this folk! They don't want to help you as they claim - they only want to help them self.
They even ask us to promote, promote, promote our SFS link and then use our doorway entries to resell them to the SFS members as leads... That must be web 3.0 technology as they claim...
Not even ONE sign up delivered by the system - all I have is from my previous own advertising that I have stopped weeks ago - I DO have a reputation to loose!
If anyone needs a vacation after this disaster get my certificates within http://sfsrevealed.ning.com and get 5 star for just pennies on the dollar!
This is the direct link:
I totally agree with all the comments above and for all the poor people, disadvantaged and single mothers who have fallen for this scam and fraud you have my sympathy.
Trevor Powers overview of Paul Birdsall's Streamline Funnel System is absolutely spot on but let's not forget that Paul Birdsall is a convicted criminal by way of Tax Evasion, he scammed his country so he will think nothing of scamming us, please copy and paste this link into your browser - http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/nwsrm/cnvctns/mb/mb090715 - you can then read about his conviction.
This conviction raises some questions :-
Q1. As a recently convicted Tax Evader and classed as a criminal - how did Paul Birdsall manage to get into the USA to attend the Shaklee Convention (sorry - the SFS planning meeting to enhance our futures) in St Loius?
Q2. As Mr Birdsall is a criminal as defined by the Canadian authorities - how is he going to get into the USA to attend the Millionaires Summit in Las Vegas?
Q3. Is the Summit actually going to take place or is the money people are paying going into the SFS coffers once again.
Q5. Does the Venitian hotel have a booking? Do they know the type of people that will be staying with them? Maybe they should be told that the 'mobsters' are coming - oh I have just realised it must be one of those themed weekends going back to the hey day of Las Vegas where every one was on the take - Paul and the possie should fit in fine, unless of course he is taken into custody for trying to gain entry into the country illegally.
Is the Shaklee corporation aware of Mr Birdsall's scam and the SFS link to them? I am not sure at the moment, I am in conversation with the Executive Vice President who is coming back with some answers on the situation for the 3rd time. However if we believe what Birdsall says, (which I know is difficult)he told us in his Shaklee presentation via SFS that the CEO of Shaklee (Roger Barnett)endorses the use of the internet to promote the products and that he has given Birdsall the 'ok' over dinner to go ahead - what? Why would Mr Barnett deal with such a low life as Birdsall and put Shaklee's reputation on the line?
Why not e-mail Shaklee at fieldadmin@shaklee.com and put your questions and comments to them, or if you are owed money ask them if they can help you get a refund. You can also call them on (001)925 924 2000.
I know I keep banging on about Paul Birdsall being a crook but all his other cronies are just as bad - Chris Pearson, George Briere, Karl Airey and their wives plus Karen Pore, they all know what is going on and are part of the SCAM and are just out to line their own pockets.
This is an e-mail I sent to the Vice President of Shaklee USA.
Hello Marjorie
Thank you for your reply.
You asked what I paid to SFS, initially $9.99 to join then $370 for one of their packages - I have had $9.00 back (they kept the 99 cents for admin) then I had the $370 back. Then they took $50 approx for a monthly fee by another merchant, this they have kept despite my constant e-mails for the refund and to cancel my subscription I have also contacted their merchant via their own support system to cancel. I just hope they don't apply for any more money from my card. If anything Paul Birdsall should be compensating me for the grief he and his crew has caused me.
I watched the latest video from Birdsall over the weekend and he clearly states that he has been to Roger Barnetts (Shaklee's CEO) house and discussed how he is in full agreement to use the Internet to promote Shaklee - the whole thing is a recruitment plan for Shaklee albeit Birdsall says that you don't have to join.
If Shaklee are not in the UK or other countries around the world, how can I or others in these countries join the organisation or order the products, or is this another one of his scams?
Take a look at this link, the opening paragraphs detail exactly what has happened with the Streamline Funnel System and some of the comments people have added - http://hubpages.com/hub/paulbirdsallstreamlinefunn
Thanks again for your time.
Regards
Mick
... and this is the reply I received.
Hi Mick - I've sent this on to Shaklee Canada and asked them to help you get your $50 and to stop charges to your card.
Paul Birdsall does not have permission to use Shaklee's name or Roger Barnett's name in connection with the Streamline Funnel System. I will address that issue with him.
Can you tell me anything about Trevor Powers, the author of the article you forwarded? To the extent he mentions Shaklee, I am concerned about what he has to say and will investigate.
Again, this lead generation program is not endorsed by Shaklee and should not be linked to Shaklee by Paul.
Thank you for writing. Marjorie
I have replied stating that Trevor Powers is just another victim of SFS - does anyone know different?
Hey I have not got paid anything yet!!!
For the month of July....I was owed approx. $200.00....which was due to be paid in the first week....
Then near the end of August some members did not cancel their suscriptions...So I would imagine that I should also have also acquired some extra pay funds for this past month...no?
I was under the impression that Chris Pearson and/or Paul Birdsall said that everyone got paid!...100%...
They paid out over $200,000... wow...I didn't see a dime!
If I didn't get paid, I have to wonder how many others have not been paid???
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Now I cancelled my account on the 30th of August, but they still owe me the money from July and August...!...
I wonder who the book keeper is...Is it Chris Pearson???
...And yes, I did send in multiple support tickets to every email needed...But still nothing...
I wonder if all this revenue will be reported to the Revenue Bureau...
Shouldn't we be getting at least a receipt from those morons?
Is their office located in the USA or is it in Canada?
{ NEW}Suggestions from SFS members to Paul Birdsall...
~~~My suggestion is...More Webinars ...and email updates...and less Vlogs...
Vlogs can be fun and entertaining but you cannot talk with the masses that way...
Yes Webinars might take more time, effort and energy...but ultimately the end product...produces higher results of interest, which in turn...translates to higher gains...For everyone!
~~~My suggestion is the same and updates on when links go out and maybe even a monthly conference call for those who can't log in sometimes..the telephone number for live support. and meeting with local members in your area we can all meet and greet and discuss things with each other and give ideas from diffrent areas to Paul..
~~~Webinars are good but I personally like the vlog, only because when the webinars were going on I didn't have a headset and the webinars that I did get in on were reflected in my phone bill.So it is actually more cost effective to have the vlogs, it doesn't cost SFS anything and for those who can only listen in by phone it saves them money.And if you have additional questions you can always post it here
~~~...So is there a way that we can have webinars where members don't have to pay to get in.....Like an 800 number for instance ...or another option where you people from SFS foot the bill?...
Surely you can mastermimnd this detail...
~~~Good idea (i like cheese) What oh sleep typing again!
~~~I am not a fortune teller...But a blind man can see that one coming~~~
~~~I must agree. No more charges until all refunds are received and all services rendered and proof shown as such.
~~~My suggestion would be more information in the backoffice, such as:
Date of last basic renewal/when the next renewal will occur
Date of last lead package renewal/when the next renewal will occur
Lead package identified (10K, 20K, 40k)
Date(s) basic package sent out
Date(s) lead package sent out
It would seem easier for the programmers to set up this type of a system rather than sending out emails regarding the dates that the lead packages are sent out.
Also, I think if we could easily access the above information, a lot of the problems and questions I have seen in the forums could be averted.
Eventually the back office could expand on the result information... such as the rate of response to the packages sent out (not just the sales, but how many are even clicking on our link?)... conversion rates, etc. It would be helpful to be able to analyze the effectiveness of the basic vs. lead packages.....
~~~Another suggestion would be to have the date & time stamp of when your PS person comes in (joins SFS under your link). Also, it would be nice to know where this lead came from, (tracking), from leads, rotators or your own advertising efforts.
Thanks for listening!
~~~I think a resetable counter posted in our back office so we can see how many visitors we have and calculate visitor to sign up ratios, and not just link to sign up ratios.
And maybe you can have a basic roator counter and a lead package counter.
The email notifies us when the leads are going out and then we can view our counters to see how many visitors.
And I will be honest, this will also show the member(s) they have links going out and visitors to their website and will help alleviate any jitters.
~~~A couple of things I would add:
Have a place for a Latest News Updates at the very TOP of the members area where the SFS admin could post the latest news.
This way every time someone logs in to their back office they see the top 3 or 4 things without having to wait for an email (that may never get through) or wade through tons of posts in the forum.
As an example...what if there was a message that had been like this..."All refunds have been processed as of 7/31/2009...please allow 3-10 BUSINESS DAYS for your credit card company to reflect this refund." That could have greatly reduced a lot of posting and fear in the forum.
A key part of the programming for this updates area would be to make sure that the admin for SFS would have a place that they could go into at any time and UPDATE what needs to be updated without having to send it to the web master.
The more places where programming allows SFS admin to make changes the less confusion there would be in the communication link...an example of this would be tonight's vlog update that Paul did...it was for Monday August 10th, but the date still said August 7th. I had been looking like many others (ALL DAY) for an update and had I not seen the forum posts about the latest vlog update, I would have missed it all together. Had admin had access to make this change, it could have been easily corrected without going to a webmaster or programmer that uploaded the video.
Hope that helps :-)
~~~My constructive suggestions are:
Consistency -
there seems to be a lot of confusion created through lack of this, for example, in todays vlog, Paul tells us that there will be a vlog every other day, however at the top of the vlog screen it says "Paul's DAILY vlog". In the vlog Paul states that there is a delay of 2 weeks for payment (that's fine & understandable - I would do the same) but states that one of the reasons would be for refunds, yet on the T&C's it states there are no refunds given?
Monthly due date -
the majority of us have paid a monthly fee for the rotator. I suggest that the start date for the monthly fee (& therefore the rebilling date) be put back as compensation for the teething problems we have encountered, particulary the delay in the lead rotator going out. As I am sure none of us wants to be billed for 2 months of participation for one months activity.
F.A.Q.'s updated on main site -
There is a lot of outdated information on there that is not going to help in keeping new signups interested enough to stay very long in the system. (again consistency).
~~~Also give us the straight story to all info even if we don't agree with it...
~~~How about setting up an SFS Group under ICQ?, that way members including Paul and his staff can communicate quickly with each other, and it's free.
~~~Maybe support should have an ICQ!
I think there definitely needs to be something done about SUPPORT, I know they say there are thousands and some are questions answered in FAQ's or on here by moderators etc.... But, maybe to them NOT BEING ABLE TO LOG INTO YOUR MEMBERS AREA for almost a week now isn't important, I sign up for the new support suite as soon as I heard about it, looks like that faster (NOT) there has got to be a way of filtering through and answering these a little better, I mean come on, since last Thursday and still not fixed yet.
~~~My suggestion on monthly due date is, since your packages are good for 30 days, we should not be re-billed until 30 days after our rotator and packages start to go out, but, that's just me. I agree with you, why should we be billed again when our first order wasn't even filled yet. You don't have to make 2 payments on a new car before you get to drive it.
~~~Hire more support people.
I sent a support ticket to cancel a lead package and if they don't see it because of so many tickets, then I might get charged again. Plus, I might get charged for going over my cc limit. To be successful in business you MUST have the best customer service
~~~I have to agree with you, I remember a vlog where it was stated that they hired someone to head the support team and things were starting to be answered, well, not getting an answer on something as important as not being able to log in since last Thursday, seems a little poor to me.
~~~I feel for you and others. This If I needs to be FIXED NOW!
If I couldn't log in to my back office and they didn't fix it asap I would put a stop on my cc.
It MUST be FIXED today
~~~Ad many phone lines to customer service
Any good business has a phone number to call customer service
~~~I have been in since pre-launch and I could stop additional payments, but, I already have almost $150 invested, so, I almost have too wa
Paul Birdsall's August 10 Video Log (Vlog)
So according to this last vlog, there have been over 1000 new members. So if these broadcasts are going out, where are the people on these forums who are getting all of these signups?
You would think that the people who were getting these "broadcaster" sales would be all over this forum talking about how much money is being made.
So far, I have only been seeing posts about when the broadcasts will go out, when refunds will be issued and others claiming how they are trying to keep the faith. The only success threads I have seen, are people who are doing their own marketing.
~~~You have a point there....here is a question...where are the people that are in the Videos promoting SFS...it would be nice to know who they are & to hear a little encouragement from them...or are they Paid actors & actresses?
Just a ?
~~~I would like just one or two to step forward but it might not happen until I get a sign up because I am going to tell everyone date, time,everything so if you are reading please let us know something???
~~~"over 10,000 members"
"over 1,000 new members"
not a good ratio yet.
~~~Quote:
Originally Posted by...
So according to this last vlog, there have been over 1000 new members. So if these broadcasts are going out, where are the people on these forums who are getting all of these signups?
You would think that the people who were getting these "broadcaster" sales would be all over this forum talking about how much money is being made.
So far, I have only been seeing posts about when the broadcasts will go out, when refunds will be issued and others claiming how they are trying to keep the faith. The only success threads I have seen, are people who are doing their own marketing.
1000 new members, but not necessarily singups. I believe what Paul was saying that there were 1000 new members (Overall Downline) how many of them were personal signups?, I have no idea.
~~~A Moderator answers >>>
I will let you all know that I have been personally contacted by people getting members but they will not come to this forum at this time nor are they directing there new members here. Why you may ask? Well because there has been so much negativity and non helpful posts going on in here that it is not helpful to those excited new members. I know some of you do not look at these as negative but information that is constantly questioning the system shows signs of negative mindset.
So do not be surprised if you do not see many of those being successful posting in here because they are not wasting there time in the forum. Many of the top sponsoring leaders in SFS are having there own weekly team meetings and passing information to there members that way to there members.
Regarding moderators personal totals...not sure why that matters at all. Heck I have done NO advertising since official launch because I have spent all my work hours in this forum in the past 3 weeks. SO everything I have is from prelaunch and my current total paid members is 15. However for me personally...I am no longer going to be spending as much time in this forum as I myself am also starting team calls for my personal members and moving forward with my success in this business.
Hope this makes sense to you all that there are many positive feedback happening you just won't see much of that in this forum until we get the threads cleaned up and make this a positive helpful environment for all members.
~~~WHOA Jackie...
Maybe you should point some of the members that have had some success already to these posts to give some of the members that have not seen anything yet some encouragement. That said, the forum does seem to reek of negativity...
There have been many questions, issues, problems that have not been addressed in the timely fashion that was promised. Members have been kept in the dark about things on different occasions, promises have been made and not kept, and money has been spent by folks who have trusted what Paul and Chris have had to say so far...It should be clear to you and all the other moderators why some members are getting a bit antsy. When the positives in the SFS start to show up, maybe the negative posts will start to decrease. No reason to be on here scolding folks about how they feel.
I have been in since pre-launch, paid on time, purchased packages, and am still waiting patiently. That said, am I satisfied with the way things have been handled to date? Not really...but this is my first venture trying the online business strategy, so I plan to hang in there and learn, go with the flow, trust that the people running this business are doing all they can to get things ironed out. I think that when they do, SFS is going to work quite well for many who stick it out.
Good luck to all
~~~This forum has been great!
Where else can we ask questions?
I know sometimes we ask the same question too many times.
But, for a new person it may be hard to find the answer.
If it's been deleted he will never find it.
Q & A has is obsolete and needs to be updated for all the newbies.
~~~Hello Jackie. regarding your statement that the successful people in SFS are too bz to post on this forum,..... well I thought that this forum was intended for the successful people doing well to guide us others here and show us how it's done. Your statement is somewhat confusing.
~~~hello everyone,
this question is for the moderators, we know that the packages are going out. but we don't know the number sequences the rotators are broadcasting. if we knew the number sequences, am sure this would ease everyone mind. i initially joined July 10, i have no action i can see. when i see number show up in my commission box, i will buy an additional lead package. so, the question is, can you let us know what number sequences are being broadcast?
~~~There are 3,045 Members - in this forum.
So out of 3,045 no one has had any sign ups through the funnel system
That means 7000 people that are not on this forum are making sales through the funnel system and do not want to tell us
I find this real strange...
Please explain.....
~~~Quote:
Originally Posted by jackieaellen
I will let you all know that I have been personally contacted by people getting members but they will not come to this forum at this time nor are they directing there new members here. Why you may ask? Well because there has been so much negativity and non helpful posts going on in here that it is not helpful to those excited new members.
~~~So they actually contacted all their members and told them not to go to the forum? ...There are over 7,000 non registered forum members.
So do not be surprised if you do not see many of those being successful posting in here because they are not wasting there time in the forum.
~~~So we are wasting our time here? ...Thanks...I didn't realize that...
However for me personally...I am no longer going to be spending as much time in this forum as I myself am also starting team calls for my personal members and moving forward with my success in this business.
~~~So now all the work load will be handed to Karen?
I mean no disrespect to you Jackie...But positively speaking, I think your comments are negative!
~~~ i totally agree a lot of people have reason to worry, especially if you have purchased extra leads(like me).its a lot of money to be paying monthly with no return.maybe these successful people should waste their time in here because i don't think we will need much convincing,this forum is crying out for some success stories.
~~~Who is my sponsor SFS? Who earned a commission off me?
Just curious?
~~~In the last Vlog, Paul said that the broadcast went out.
Jackie, can you clarify what Paul meant by broadcast!
Is the broadcast for the rotator or the lead packages or both?
~~~I agree there is a lot of negative going on in the forum. All the more reason why those who choose not to be here should be here. The SFS should be a team effort. We are all part of the same team. To be successful we all must work together in a positiv
Hope this makes sense to you all that there are many positive feedback happening you just won't see much of that in this forum until we get the threads cleaned up and make this a positive helpful environment for all members.
~~~WHOA Jackie...
Maybe you should point some of the members that have had some success already to these posts to give some of the members that have not seen anything yet some encouragement. That said, the forum does seem to reek of negativity...
There have been many questions, issues, problems that have not been addressed in the timely fashion that was promised. Members have been kept in the dark about things on different occasions, promises have been made and not kept, and money has been spent by folks who have trusted what Paul and Chris have had to say so far...It should be clear to you and all the other moderators why some members are getting a bit antsy. When the positives in the SFS start to show up, maybe the negative posts will start to decrease. No reason to be on here scolding folks about how they feel.
I have been in since pre-launch, paid on time, purchased packages, and am still waiting patiently. That said, am I satisfied with the way things have been handled to date? Not really...but this is my first venture trying the online business strategy, so I plan to hang in there and learn, go with the flow, trust that the people running this business are doing all they can to get things ironed out. I think that when they do, SFS is going to work quite well for many who stick it out.
Good luck to all
~~~This forum has been great!
Where else can we ask questions?
I know sometimes we ask the same question too many times.
But, for a new person it may be hard to find the answer.
If it's been deleted he will never find it.
Q & A has is obsolete and needs to be updated for all the newbies.
~~~Hello Jackie. regarding your statement that the successful people in SFS are too bz to post on this forum,..... well I thought that this forum was intended for the successful people doing well to guide us others here and show us how it's done. Your statement is somewhat confusing.
~~~hello everyone,
this question is for the moderators, we know that the packages are going out. but we don't know the number sequences the rotators are broadcasting. if we knew the number sequences, am sure this would ease everyone mind. i initially joined July 10, i have no action i can see. when i see number show up in my commission box, i will buy an additional lead package. so, the question is, can you let us know what number sequences are being broadcast?
~~~There are 3,045 Members - in this forum.
So out of 3,045 no one has had any sign ups through the funnel system
That means 7000 people that are not on this forum are making sales through the funnel system and do not want to tell us
I find this real strange...
Please explain.....
~~~Quote:
Originally Posted by jackieaellen
I will let you all know that I have been personally contacted by people getting members but they will not come to this forum at this time nor are they directing there new members here. Why you may ask? Well because there has been so much negativity and non helpful posts going on in here that it is not helpful to those excited new members.
~~~So they actually contacted all their members and told them not to go to the forum? ...There are over 7,000 non registered forum members.
So do not be surprised if you do not see many of those being successful posting in here because they are not wasting there time in the forum.
~~~So we are wasting our time here? ...Thanks...I didn't realize that...
However for me personally...I am no longer going to be spending as much time in this forum as I myself am also starting team calls for my personal members and moving forward with my success in this business.
~~~So now all the work load will be handed to Karen?
I mean no disrespect to you Jackie...But positively speaking, I think your comments are negative!
~~~ i totally agree a lot of people have reason to worry, especially if you have purchased extra leads(like me).its a lot of money to be paying monthly with no return.maybe these successful people should waste their time in here because i don't think we will need much convincing,this forum is crying out for some success stories.
~~~Who is my sponsor SFS? Who earned a commission off me?
Just curious?
~~~In the last Vlog, Paul said that the broadcast went out.
Jackie, can you clarify what Paul meant by broadcast!
Is the broadcast for the rotator or the lead packages or both?
~~~I agree there is a lot of negative going on in the forum. All the more reason why those who choose not to be here should be here. The SFS should be a team effort. We are all part of the same team. To be successful we all must work together in a positive way. So those who choose not to be here are not part of the team.
It is time to turn this around. So basically if you want to be negative keep it to yourself. Only positive input should be used here. I want to hear from those who are successful so I may learn to be more successful myself. Others along with myself can probably use it. So please reconsider you successful people and offer your input.
~~~Quote:
Originally Posted by xxxxx
Who is my sponsor SFS? Who earned a commission off me?
Just curious?
If you don't get an anser in here...you will surely find out in the new back office when it appears this week...at least that is what was said...
Don't be surprised if your sponsor is SFS...one of the generals...
~~~
Any new sign ups???
Is There Anyone Out There Doing No Advertising That Has Started Getting Sign-ups?
~~~I'm just curious if there is anyone out there doing absolutely no advertising at all and is starting to see results? If so please let us know. Thank you all for your support.
~~~~Not Yet~
~~~I have people that are ready to join but want to see results. When we get our commissions I will do a proof page/video to send to them. Until then I am not doing any advertising.
~~~Absolutely Nothing !
~~~I did not do any personal ads.,but my downline 1562.I am not sure if that is a good thing
~~~OMG...
Your downline count means absolutely nothing.
Commissionable sales will show in your personally sponsored area if you recruited them yourself or they were generated by the SFS so called 10,000 double opt-in super rotator!
~~~I'm not doing any advertising until I can "show" results.
Not results for other SFS team member sites but results from my own
from my own site. I purchased the 40k pkg.
I'm looking for results to start coming in any day now! Can hardly wait!
Everybody create a great day. Nice talkin with ya!
~~~Nada here. I bought into the rotator + 10K leads. My husband bought into the rotator + 40K leads. Nothing yet...
~~~Joined July 7 with 40 k pack. Rebilled July 30 for membershio and August 3 for 40k pack. Nothing yet. But I will let you know as soon as I do!
~~~There are 3,045 Members - in this forum.
In Paul's Vlog he stated that they have had 1000 new paid sign ups in the last 7 days
Where are all these people the moderators claim are getting sign ups through there lead packages or basic membership?
There are 10,000 people in this system and not one person has come forward to claim the fame on this forum.
What are the odds out of 3,045 forum members that no one comes forward to tell us about there success with the basic membership or lead packages?
Something fishy going on here....
Please explain...
~~~NO new members..NO sign ups.........
No refund as of YET!
~~~Quote:
Originally Posted by ....
There are 3,045 Members - in this forum.
In Paul's Vlog he stated that they have had 1000 new paid sign ups in the last 7 days
Where are all these people the moderators claim are getting sign ups through there lead packages or basic membership?
There are 10,000 people in this system and not one person has come forward to claim the fame on this forum.
What are the odds out of 3,045 forum members that no one comes forward to tell us about there success with the basic membership or lead packages?
Something fishy going on here....
Please explain...
>>>>>Could it be that the sign~ups went to the beta testers?
Maybe they are still Beta testing...
~~~I am in the same boat. No new members - no new sign ups. Only 2 personal sponsored but I have people, even long-time successful online entrepreneurs, who are waiting to see what happens before they jump in.
~~~I have no doubt that if anyone has gotten sign ups that was not doing any outsite marketing they would be posting their results here.
OK maybe not everyone - but someone would.
Not 1 person has shared positive results.
I am a positive and trusting person.
I have to wonder. How can Paul say over 1,000 new members have come in in the last week as a result of them sending out emails on members behalf?
Isn't it possible that the sign ups came from the existing 10,000 members outside efforts?
I think he also said they expect 25,000 members by the end of the year. I am bad at math but how many signups would that be per person over the course of 4 months?
I would be happy if someone would tell me I have my numbers wrong.
I would be happy if someone told me they have recieved sign ups from the automated part of this system.
~~~I think it works out as less than a signup each member
~~~Broadcast! What are we broadcasting?
Paul said the broadcast went out in the Vlog.
What is the broadcasting for? Is it the rotator?....is it the lead packages?....or is it the broadcasting for both the rotator and lead packages to get new members?
Broadcasting can mean anything.
Wow....A huge part of all what you have read was copied from the SFS forum before they decided to delete most members to access the forum because people were asking too many questions...
When members send in support tickets, wondering why they no longer have access to the forum...weeks later they are told try again!
Some of our members created a new forum...
so that questions would be answered...
Here it is...anyone is welcome...
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Cannot log into the Streamlinefunnelsystem forum?
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You have not been paid yet and wonder why?
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I have to seriously wonder if Paul Birdsall will be arrested for his Streamline funnel system RIP OFF game...
Too many people are getting conned by this man and his crew!
My understanding is that under the Canadian business law ...Paul needs to issue invoices for every transaction conducted through SFS and include a tax (GST or PST).
The fact that we do not even get any receipts for our payments tells me that Paul is operating an illegal business.
I am sure that the Canadian revenue agency woul like to hear more on these transactions.
Since Chris Pearson is the man in charge of finances, would you not think that he should have mentioned this to Paul?
I can only imagine the amount of money that they have raked in to this point...surely over 1 million dollars...without producing any receipts...now add a few more months to this....That will increase to well over 3 million $$$...
I sure hope the book keeper Chris is keeping good records...Is he even a certified book keeper?
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Have a look at these videos on Youtube:)
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Hi
We have been told that the lead packages are exclusive meaning, I assume, that no lead package includes any name that is in any other. If this is so, why is it that I have received an invitation to join 9 different times with emails to 2 of my addresses.
A url was listed and I opened it and noted the ref ID #, I than closed the site and opened it again, and got the big SFS advertisement again, but this time it had a different ref ID #.I did this a couple more times and each time there was a different ID.
I opened each of the others, and went thru the same routine and got the same results.
My assumption for the results is that these lead packages were on a rotator and the lead packages were not exclusive because it seems that I must be on multiple lists.
I purchased a 10K package and was rebilled a month later. It is now 6 weeks since my first billing and I am still waiting to get broadcasted.
I contacted support 4 1/2 days ago for refunds and 10K pack cancelation. I have heard nothing yet from support.
With no Vlog since 9/2 and nothing on the forum board I wonder if the end is around the corner.
Bob
Bob...from what I know ...appropriate legal departments are being notified of all this Paul Birdsall and Chris Pearson scam...The best thing I can suggest is that you come to this forum, at least you will have a way of sharing your thoughts... http://sfsrevealed.ning.com
See you there
Paul Birdswill not only stole downlines from people in WebProsperity (another huge marketing scam), but he also has stolen downlines from people in Shaklee.
In Streamline FS he takes all the leads that you are paying for. You pay for the leads, but you get none of them.
The http://sfsrevealed.ning.com/ site no longer exists... Wonder what happened?
What happened to http://sfsrevealed.ning.com/ ???
Birdsall and Pearson threatened Ning with legal action if Ning did not remove the site.
Get the truth coming straight out of the mouth of the SFS programmer Karl Airey
I wish that I had never heard of this asshole Paul Birdshit
Is that straight enough for his virgin ears
He uses our worry about the economy to screw us I hope he lands in jail for his efforts
I see the scammer Paul is still plugging his bs site to unsuspecting suckers Talk about a low-life
What does it take to stop this kind of con artist from actively trying to scamm people
You say this and hearg that Karl is not involved with SFS, but how come when you go to the SFS Forum. http://sfsmembersforum.com/
It re-directs you to Karl's getnetpaid page????
Karena says:
3 months ago
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